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Thread: Lynch's Chances

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    Well wonder how long that he will sit on the bench again in 2018 or will he start in week 1 in 2017?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FR Tim View Post
    My calling him a game manager was not meant as an insult.
    Pretty much all 1st year starting QBs are game managers (at least on good teams anyway).

    QBs like Elway, Manning and Aikman had horrendous 1st years or 2 b/c they were asked to do too much and to carry the load on offense.

    Going into the season last year, the expectation was that Siemian just need to be a game manager (and not screw things up) in order for the Broncos to make the playoffs.

    But as it turned out, the Broncos at issues at the O-line, RB, TE and slot (due to injuries, lack of development, etc.) and Kubiak asked his young QB to carry the O (hurt and all).


    Quote Originally Posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    To be fair it's hard for a lot offenses to consistently convert third and long. Everyone says Siemian or Lynch needs to do a better job on 3rd down conversions. But I really just think we need to do a better job of putting ourselves in more manageable third down situations. Especially since the oline will likely still struggle as our young guys get more experience and the line gets accustomed to playing together. Stop with all the penalties and pick some yards up on first and second down and we will be fine regardless of the QB
    True - but at least in Siemian's case, the offense did more than fine converting on 3rd and long.

    It was 3rd and short where the O struggled, along with being placed in too many 3rd and long situations.

    While the Broncos ranked in the top 8 in 3rd and long conversions with Siemian, still a lower % than the league average on converting on shorter distances.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_C View Post
    From my limited insight I see things this year shaping up to be far different than last season. Last season we had a very rigid offense with little to no imagination. McCoy is a lot of things but putting together a boring offensive game plan is not one of his hallmarks. Also important to note that McCoys offense - imo is far closer to that of a college offense than the one Kubiak implements. That would likely give Lynch a leg up this season as he'd end up with less of a gap.
    Should help Lynch, but McCoy's type of offense is tailored for Siemian.

    Siemian played out of the shotgun exclusively in HS and college and McCoy's O allows the QB much more flexibility when it comes to changing plays.




    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    As far as Paxton Lynch is concerned, he came from a no huddle, ultra simple, shotgun offense at Memphis and landed in Kubiak's offense which huddles, is one of the most complex and plays from under center quite a bit. He learned that stuff last year. We'll see what McCoy's offense looks like this year. It won't be more complex than Kubiak's and will probably be significantly simpler. Word is McCoy is using as much of the previous terminology as possible which sounds like he is trying to help the young QBs make the transition as smoothly as possible.
    Actually, Kubiak's O is pretty simple which is why it is considered to be a QB-friendly offense.

    Basically only have to look at 1/2 of the field and only about 20% of the time is the QB given the option of changing the play at the LoS (which is restricted to 1 other play).

    The difficult part of Kubiak's scheme is the language and how the pieces of a play are put together.

    McCoy's O is the more complex one - not only giving the QB a wide array of options when it comes to play-calling and changing the play, the QB is also responsible for his protection (in Kubiak's system, the center is responsible for that).

    But supposedly, the terminology or at least how the play is pieced together in play-calling is easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ac24 View Post
    Actually, Kubiak's O is pretty simple which is why it is considered to be a QB-friendly offense.

    Basically only have to look at 1/2 of the field and only about 20% of the time is the QB given the option of changing the play at the LoS (which is restricted to 1 other play).

    The difficult part of Kubiak's scheme is the language and how the pieces of a play are put together.

    McCoy's O is the more complex one - not only giving the QB a wide array of options when it comes to play-calling and changing the play, the QB is also responsible for his protection (in Kubiak's system, the center is responsible for that).

    But supposedly, the terminology or at least how the play is pieced together in play-calling is easier.
    Sorry, Bro, but Gary Kubiak's version of the WCO is one of the most complex in the league. The volume of plays, routes, formations, shifts, motions, positions and protections are very complicated. The play calls necessary to get everyone lined up and on the same page are extremely verbose.

    Even the blocking on the rushing attack is more intricate than most zone stepped schemes, and it puts a lot of pressure on the RBs to read the blocks by the linemen who have read the front and applied their rules to opening a hole.

    The size of the playsheet Kubiak carries on the sideline should give a hint at how voluminous what the QB is expected to know instantly. Kubiak's QBs must recognize the call immediately and verbalize it simultaneously in order to get the play in.

    On the other hand, Mike McCoy doesn't just run one kind of Offense. The one he installed for the beginning of 2011, the one he installed mid-season that year and the one he coordinated in 2012 are all very different. Whose offense did San Diego run in 2013 and 2016? McCoy's or Whisenhunt's. Whose offense did the Chargers run in 2014 and 2015? McCoy's or Reich's?

    Vance Joseph has said he wants McCoy to tailor the offensive game plan to the opponent while running something that allows the players to use their strengths. In order to accomplish that, he will install an offense that lets players play without confusing them or making them stop and think about where they need to be and what they need to do. That sounds like changing styles one week to the next.

    I'd need to see the playbook, but I'm inclined to think that McCoy's pass calls are more like Coryell's than Kubiak's. All the QB needs to do for pass protection is name the guy to count from; the Mike call. After that, the Center gets everyone down the line to either side identifying their responsibility.

    The pre-snap reads for a pass are identifying the coverage and checking to see if the routes called are right for the look. Basically, is the middle of the field open or closed? Every QB who has ever played including Manning has been fooled by Zone Blitz, Cover 2 Robber and Inverts, and fouled up by three Safety Secondaries like 3-3-5 and 4-2-5.

    We'll need to wait and see what the rushing attack looks like, but word is it may be predominantly angle blocked. Knowing the hole and the blocking rules of each play will help the O-Linemen to do what they prefer which is to attack a defensive front with down blocks and pulls instead of sliding sideways hoping to open a crack the RB will see.

    The new offensive coaching staff is well equipped to implement this kind of varied plan since four of them have previously been NFL Offensive Coordinators.
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