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broncofansd
01-28-2008, 03:17 PM
Denver Free Agent Signing and Offseason
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Corey Williams----DT----- 5 years $6.5 Million a year.

Bryant Johnson------WR------ 4 years $ 3 Million a year

Marlon McCree-------Safety--- 3 years $ 2.5 Million a year

Denver trades D. Foxworth to Miami for its 3rd Round Pick

Denver trades J. Walker to Minnesota for it's 2nd 3rd Round Pick # 83

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Denver trades it's 12th Pick to Dallas for its 1st(22nd) and 2nd and 09 3rd round Pick. With this trade we get a player we need and 2 Extra Picks.

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2008 NFL DRAFT

1st Round Pick----Pat Sims-------------------DT---Auburn----6'4" 312lbs ALL SEC DT. Exacty the type of DT the Broncos need.

2nd Round Pick--Erin Henderson------------OLB---Maryland--6'3" 243lbs Tackling Machine who will get better and better.

2nd Round Pick(Dallas)----Devin Thomas---WR---Michigan St. 6'2" 215lbs Excellent WR and KR had over 1100 yards in KR.

3rd Round Pick(Miami)---DaJuan Morgan----S---NC St. 6'1" 205lbs Excellent Safety to eventually pair with Abdulah.

3rd Round Pick(Minn)----Duane Brown-------T---Virginia Tech 6'5" 305lbs Perfect Tackle for the Broncos ZBS.

4th Round Pick-----------Owen Schmidt------FB---West Virginia 6'2" 250lbs Howard Griffith II.

4th Round Pick-----------Matt Forte-----------RB----Tulane---6'2" 222lbs Big talented RB.

5th Round Pick-----------Jonathon Zenon----CB----LSU------6'0" 180lbs Very good CB from SEC.

5th Round Pick-----------Durant Brooks------P-----GTech---

7th Round Pick----------Maurice Murray-----DT----New Mexico St.

7th Round Pick----------Glen Sharpe--------CB----Miami

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With the additions of Williams and Pat Sims our Defensive Line is set for the next 3-4 years.

DJ/Henderson/Winborn or Webster man the LB Crew.

Lynch/McCree/Abdulah/Morgan at Safety.

Any thoughts.

BroncoKazuki
01-28-2008, 03:25 PM
Denver Free Agent Signing and Offseason
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Corey Williams----DT----- 5 years $6.5 Million a year.

Bryant Johnson------WR------ 4 years $ 3 Million a year

Marlon McCree-------Safety--- 3 years $ 2.5 Million a year

Denver trades D. Foxworth to Miami for its 3rd Round Pick

Denver trades J. Walker to Minnesota for it's 2nd 3rd Round Pick # 83

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Denver trades it's 12th Pick to Dallas for its 1st(22nd) and 2nd and 09 3rd round Pick. With this trade we get a player we need and 2 Extra Picks.

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2008 NFL DRAFT

1st Round Pick----Pat Sims-------------------DT---Auburn----6'4" 312lbs ALL SEC DT. Exacty the type of DT the Broncos need.

2nd Round Pick--Erin Henderson------------OLB---Maryland--6'3" 243lbs Tackling Machine who will get better and better.

2nd Round Pick(Dallas)----Devin Thomas---WR---Michigan St. 6'2" 215lbs Excellent WR and KR had over 1100 yards in KR.

3rd Round Pick(Miami)---DaJuan Morgan----S---NC St. 6'1" 205lbs Excellent Safety to eventually pair with Abdulah.

3rd Round Pick(Minn)----Duane Brown-------T---Virginia Tech 6'5" 305lbs Perfect Tackle for the Broncos ZBS.

4th Round Pick-----------Owen Schmidt------FB---West Virginia 6'2" 250lbs Howard Griffith II.

4th Round Pick-----------Matt Forte-----------RB----Tulane---6'2" 222lbs Big talented RB.

5th Round Pick-----------Jonathon Zenon----CB----LSU------6'0" 180lbs Very good CB from SEC.

5th Round Pick-----------Durant Brooks------P-----GTech---

7th Round Pick----------Maurice Murray-----DT----New Mexico St.

7th Round Pick----------Glen Sharpe--------CB----Miami

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With the additions of Williams and Pat Sims our Defensive Line is set for the next 3-4 years.

DJ/Henderson/Winborn or Webster man the LB Crew.

Lynch/McCree/Abdulah/Morgan at Safety.

Any thoughts.

First of all Point values are wrong, Miami and Minn 2nd rounds will cost us an arm and a leg for 2-3 years. Also Simms will be a reach I rather go RB/OT then to draft a DT in the first round.

This well i guess i'd have to say it... Too madden-like :coffee:

elevation INC
01-28-2008, 03:33 PM
i find it rare that minn would give up that much for javon maybe next year as a conditional, but thats alot of picks we will probally not end up with



I do like Marlon Mcree though as a FA

broncofansd
01-28-2008, 04:03 PM
The trades are 3rd Round Picks not 2nd Round Picks.

Foxworth to Miami for its 3rd Round Pick

Javon Walker to Minnesota for it's 2nd 3rd Round Pick.

This isn't Madden like. Dallas will trade up. We can get it's 1st/2nd/3rd round picks this year.

Max Power
01-28-2008, 04:28 PM
I don't think Denver could afford all those FAs and picks. We'd be lucky to get one of those FAs to be quite honest. A lot of wanting teams out there with more money than the Broncos. Also, do you trade RFAs like Foxworth? So wouldn't Miami be signing him for the 3rd round pick tender? Is Walker really worth a 3rd round pick with his chronic knee problems, massive contract, and prima donna demeanor? So many questions does this mock raise. It seems very unrealistic to me.

va broncos fan1
01-28-2008, 04:40 PM
when it comes to drafting you can count the unexpected from shanny and i am afraid everyone is expecting trades of various players for picks and what not, but what would the unexpected draft be......do nothing except take the best available player at every pick we have.

Gbt31
01-28-2008, 08:27 PM
I would be very upset if this happened

broncofansd
01-29-2008, 08:18 AM
Very upset if what happened???


We draft a Potential Pro Bowl DT in Pat Sims????

We draft a Tackling Machine in LB Erin Henderson???

We draft a excellent Safety in DuJuan Morgen????

We get a excellent WR in Devon Thomas????

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We need to improve our DEFENSE. All these people thinking we are going to draft a RB in the 1st Round get over it. Read the Denver Post today. Henry isn't going anywhere.

DEFENSE

Gbt31
01-29-2008, 09:50 AM
Yeah, that whole thing. Those trades would never happen. DFox for the first pick in the third round....bahaha. Corey Williams will be resigned by the pack. Antonio Bryant is a productive reciever when he gets along with the coach, but I dont want him in a Broncos uniform. He has an ego problem, and well I dont want him taking away from our trio right now, keep Javon for atleast one more year. Just not a big fan our your plan.

broncofansd
02-05-2008, 10:45 AM
Free Agency

Randy Starks---DT--6'3" 312lbs--Good 4 year NFL DT who is in the prime of his career.

Bryant Johnson---WR---6'3" 213lbs--Very good WR who had 46 Receptions as the #3 WR.

Marlon McCree---S----5'11" 213lbs--65 Tackles and 3 Int's this year. Lynch/Abdulah/Ferguson all went down to injury last year , we need a veteran Safety on this team. Replaces Ferguson.



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Denver tenders Dominick Foxworth for a 3rd Round Pick and Miami Dolphins take him.

Denver trades Ian Gold to Cinncinati for its 6th Round Pick.

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2008 NFL DRAFT-----Denver has the 12th Pick----------------------------

Denver Trades it's 1st Round Pick(12) and Javon Walker to Dallas for both of it's 1st Round Picks(22,28)


1st Round Pick--------------------Pat Sims----6'4" 312lbs DT Auburn---BIG/FAST/STRONG DT from the SEC. Perfect DT to pair with Marcus Thomas for the next 4-5 years.

1st Round Pick(28th)------------Dan Connor---6'3" 233lbs LB Penn St. Very solid LB who will team with DJ to form a great LB core.

2nd Round Pick-------------------Quintin Demps--6'1" 205lbs S/CB UTEP He can play both Free Safety and CB. Will be great addition to the Secondary.

3rd Round Pick--------------------Jordy Nelson---6'3" 213lbs WR Caught 117 passes this year. Can't argue with Production/Production/Production.

4th Round Pick--------------------Duane Brown---6'5" 305lbs T Virginia Tech Former TE with quick feet. Perfect Tackle to learn ZBS.

4th Round Pick--------------------Vince Hall-------6'0" 238lbs LB Virginia Tech Great Tackler who makes plays all over the field.

5th Round Pick--------------------Dexter Jackson---5'09"178lbs WR Blazing fast WR and possible punt returner.

5th Round Pick--------------------Johnny Dingle----6'3" 273lbs DE West Virginia Excellent DE to replace Engelberger.

6th Round Pick--------------------Mike Dragosavich--6'6" 208 P North Dakota St. Excellent Punter

7th Round Pick--------------------Chauncey Washington--6'0" 215lbs RB USC Great RB for the Broncos.

7th Round Pick--------------------Glen Sharpe------ 6'0" 186lbs CB Miami Very good CB who has been banged up in college.

We get a MAJOR infusion of talent in this draft.

What does anyone think????

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IBleedOrange17
02-05-2008, 10:50 AM
not bad at all although with two picks in the first round I think we should take stewart or mendenhall

Broncos724
02-05-2008, 12:13 PM
Walker and our first for Dallas' two firsts is a ridiculously lopsided trade...I suppose more power to us if we could bamboozle them like that. Other than that, the rest of the draft has us essentially neglecting the offense, which I think would be a mistake.

mx_stiles13
02-05-2008, 01:34 PM
I would switch it around, and forget about Connor.

1st Round (#22) - Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois

1st Round (#28) - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn

edit: Actually if the offensive tackle Chris Williams from Vanderbilt was there at #28 I would take him and hope on getting Pat Sims in the 2nd. Frank Okam may go before Sims will so there is a good chance.

beastlyskronk
02-05-2008, 02:24 PM
I would switch it around, and forget about Connor.

1st Round (#22) - Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois

1st Round (#28) - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn

edit: Actually if the offensive tackle Chris Williams from Vanderbilt was there at #28 I would take him and hope on getting Pat Sims in the 2nd. Frank Okam may go before Sims will so there is a good chance.

Frank Okam has taken a nose dive in the draft. No chance he goes before Sims unless he blows up at the combine.

mx_stiles13
02-05-2008, 02:36 PM
Frank Okam has taken a nose dive in the draft. No chance he goes before Sims unless he blows up at the combine.

I still don't think Pat Sims is a 1st round pick.

beastlyskronk
02-05-2008, 02:44 PM
I still don't think Pat Sims is a 1st round pick.

Early second is what most people think he is including me especially after the senior bowl. I think he's going to hit 225 38 times at least at the combine. That's my bold prediction for the combine considering for the past couple years most highly projected players have struggled to get to 30.

JvDub95
02-05-2008, 03:08 PM
I would switch the two 1st picks and I think there needs to be a tackle taken in rounds 2 or 3, the tackle positions on both sides of the ball are top priority

Max Power
02-05-2008, 03:47 PM
Early second is what most people think he is including me especially after the senior bowl. I think he\'s going to hit 225 38 times at least at the combine. That\'s my bold prediction for the combine considering for the past couple years most highly projected players have struggled to get to 30.

Pat Sims wasn\'t at the Senior Bowl. If he benches 38 reps that will increase his stock though definitely. Just ask Broderick Bunkley how much it helped him.

broncofansd
02-05-2008, 03:54 PM
Pat Sims is a Big 6'4" 314lbs DT from the SEC. He is rated a top 32 pick by Todd McShay at ESPN.

He was orginally rated top 25 player by Mel Kiper JR. He will be a late 1st Round Pick or at worse early 2nd.

Most of the mock drafts have him going to San Diego Chargers with their 1st Round Pick.

Think about it. We need another DT. The Chargers only got good when they got Merriman/Castillo/Igor/Phillips.

denver30
02-05-2008, 04:00 PM
Pat Sims is a Big 6'4" 314lbs DT from the SEC. He is rated a top 32 pick by Todd McShay at ESPN.

He was orginally rated top 25 player by Mel Kiper JR. He will be a late 1st Round Pick or at worse early 2nd.

Most of the mock drafts have him going to San Diego Chargers with their 1st Round Pick.

Think about it. We need another DT. The Chargers only got good when they got Merriman/Castillo/Igor/Phillips.




I would rather pick up a free agent, then draft a DT this high. I don't have anything against Sims but I think we can do more good by going after offense.

Warhawk
02-05-2008, 05:15 PM
Dallas won't do that deal. There's not enough top-tier talent in the draft to make it worthwhile. The need to get closer to the top 5 to have a shot at McFadden.

FA - Starks and Johnson are okay, don't particularly like McCree

Draft - First two picks are fine, like others I think the order should be reversed. I don't like Demps in the 2nd (value is poor) or Nelson in the 3rd (not enough need if we get a solid FA WR & 5th round WR/KR). Most of your later round picks are decent, though I'm not fond of Sharpe. Connor and Hall both look better as inside guys to me, so there may be a little overlap there.

Zanders76
02-06-2008, 03:21 AM
Free Agency

Randy Starks---DT--6'3" 312lbs--Good 4 year NFL DT who is in the prime of his career.

Bryant Johnson---WR---6'3" 213lbs--Very good WR who had 46 Receptions as the #3 WR.

Marlon McCree---S----5'11" 213lbs--65 Tackles and 3 Int's this year. Lynch/Abdulah/Ferguson all went down to injury last year , we need a veteran Safety on this team. Replaces Ferguson.



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Denver tenders Dominick Foxworth for a 3rd Round Pick and Miami Dolphins take him.

Denver trades Ian Gold to Cinncinati for its 6th Round Pick.

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2008 NFL DRAFT-----Denver has the 12th Pick----------------------------

Denver Trades it's 1st Round Pick(12) and Javon Walker to Dallas for both of it's 1st Round Picks(22,28)


1st Round Pick--------------------Pat Sims----6'4" 312lbs DT Auburn---BIG/FAST/STRONG DT from the SEC. Perfect DT to pair with Marcus Thomas for the next 4-5 years.

1st Round Pick(28th)------------Dan Connor---6'3" 233lbs LB Penn St. Very solid LB who will team with DJ to form a great LB core.

2nd Round Pick-------------------Quintin Demps--6'1" 205lbs S/CB UTEP He can play both Free Safety and CB. Will be great addition to the Secondary.

3rd Round Pick--------------------Jordy Nelson---6'3" 213lbs WR Caught 117 passes this year. Can't argue with Production/Production/Production.

4th Round Pick--------------------Duane Brown---6'5" 305lbs T Virginia Tech Former TE with quick feet. Perfect Tackle to learn ZBS.

4th Round Pick--------------------Vince Hall-------6'0" 238lbs LB Virginia Tech Great Tackler who makes plays all over the field.

5th Round Pick--------------------Dexter Jackson---5'09"178lbs WR Blazing fast WR and possible punt returner.

5th Round Pick--------------------Johnny Dingle----6'3" 273lbs DE West Virginia Excellent DE to replace Engelberger.

6th Round Pick--------------------Mike Dragosavich--6'6" 208 P North Dakota St. Excellent Punter

7th Round Pick--------------------Chauncey Washington--6'0" 215lbs RB USC Great RB for the Broncos.

7th Round Pick--------------------Glen Sharpe------ 6'0" 186lbs CB Miami Very good CB who has been banged up in college.

We get a MAJOR infusion of talent in this draft.

What does anyone think????

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At first I thought the Dallas trade was way off, but after doing the math we would owe Dallas about 240 pts which is equal to #70 in the third round. That seems about fair for Javon. The problem is that Dallas just had a bad year with injuries to their WRs. Why would they risk going through that again. Also that trade is for Javon's value as a player. His value has been corrupted by his rant and teams can now wait it out. The only way Dallas goes for it is if Mendenhall or McFadden are still around.
I think Foxy gets a 4th from Miami (a third from any other team) and a 6th from Cincy for Gold is right on the money (it'll save us cap as well).

As of draft status right now:
Round 1A pick) By switching pick w/Dallas, top RBs are forfeit. Dre Moore falls here. Phillip Merling DE, Clemson
Round 1B pick) Lack of talent puts Conner in 1st round/ better value can be found later. Pat Sims DT, Auburn (Not sold on him/ pefer Laws)
Round 2 pick) Demps is way overpriced here. Morgan is better and way cheaper. Carl Nicks OT, Nebraska
Round 3 pick) Good FA WR available and too many other needs at that price. Phillip Wheeler ILB, Georgia Tech
Round 4A pick) I can't get a good feel for his value, but probably a reach here Quentin Groves DE, Auburn (Play OLB in the Pros)
Round 4B pick) A steal this late and Better value than Phillips or Quintin Demps DaJuan Morgan SS, N.C. State
Round 5A pick) Can't see Chauncey falling that far/ USC hype alone bumps him up Chauncey Washington RB, USC
Round 5B pick) As of right now late 4th early 5th round, but stock will rise to 3rd/4th Dexter Jackson WR, Appalachian State
Round 6 pick) I agree with slot and selection. Mike Dragosavich P, North Dakota St.
Round 7A pick) He's gonna retire sometime and I like the kid. Still a lateround toss pick John Sullivan C, Notre Dame (Backup guard??)
Round 7B pick) Ran out of wants, but this looked about right with Foxy leaving. Glenn Sharpe CB, Miami

So in the end: DLine 2, LB 2, Oline 2, Secondary 2, Off Weapons 2, SP 2(I count Dexter as a returner as well)
How Far off am I?

BroncoKazuki
02-06-2008, 04:52 AM
At first I thought the Dallas trade was way off, but after doing the math we would owe Dallas about 240 pts which is equal to #70 in the third round. That seems about fair for Javon. The problem is that Dallas just had a bad year with injuries to their WRs. Why would they risk going through that again. Also that trade is for Javon's value as a player. His value has been corrupted by his rant and teams can now wait it out. The only way Dallas goes for it is if Mendenhall or McFadden are still around.
I think Foxy gets a 4th from Miami (a third from any other team) and a 6th from Cincy for Gold is right on the money (it'll save us cap as well).

As of draft status right now:
Round 1A pick) By switching pick w/Dallas, top RBs are forfeit. Dre Moore falls here. Phillip Merling DE, Clemson
Round 1B pick) Lack of talent puts Conner in 1st round/ better value can be found later. Pat Sims DT, Auburn (Not sold on him/ pefer Laws)
Round 2 pick) Demps is way overpriced here. Morgan is better and way cheaper. Carl Nicks OT, Nebraska
Round 3 pick) Good FA WR available and too many other needs at that price. Phillip Wheeler ILB, Georgia Tech
Round 4A pick) I can't get a good feel for his value, but probably a reach here Quentin Groves DE, Auburn (Play OLB in the Pros)
Round 4B pick) A steal this late and Better value than Phillips or Quintin Demps DaJuan Morgan SS, N.C. State
Round 5A pick) Can't see Chauncey falling that far/ USC hype alone bumps him up Chauncey Washington RB, USC
Round 5B pick) As of right now late 4th early 5th round, but stock will rise to 3rd/4th Dexter Jackson WR, Appalachian State
Round 6 pick) I agree with slot and selection. Mike Dragosavich P, North Dakota St.
Round 7A pick) He's gonna retire sometime and I like the kid. Still a lateround toss pick John Sullivan C, Notre Dame (Backup guard??)
Round 7B pick) Ran out of wants, but this looked about right with Foxy leaving. Glenn Sharpe CB, Miami

So in the end: DLine 2, LB 2, Oline 2, Secondary 2, Off Weapons 2, SP 2(I count Dexter as a returner as well)
How Far off am I?


Washington will stay in the 7th and rise no higher then 6th round the guy has way too many red flags and I wouldnt take him on USC hype alone. I rather take Forte or Keven Smith if im forced to eat this trade.

Also Shanahan would be beside himself if he had to go Defense again, He had chances to grab an RB last year in the 1st or in the 2nd. He spent last year on Defense. I doubt he will go twice in a row and neglect his Offensive. He's seen what round 1 backs can do for a team and he knows he got away with a steal in Davis, is chewed inside for letting Portis go and just shaking his head on wasting a pick on Tatum.

As I see it were better off sliding around in the 11-15th area and grabbing another 2nd round pick.


Your draft is good as it benifits more the Bears or Ravens because those teams are known more for their Defense then they are their offense.

Momentum
02-06-2008, 04:56 AM
What is Dallas' incentive to take on a one legged WR with a bad attitude in exchange for a first?

BroncoKazuki
02-06-2008, 05:05 AM
What is Dallas' incentive to take on a one legged WR with a bad attitude in exchange for a first?

I think theres virtually zero as we could hot sale Javon to another team. and I doubt Dallas will trade their pick (28th i believe) for Javon, when they could trade both their draft picks for DeSean Jackson on whoever drafts him.

Hmm Jackson or Javon.... If i was Dallas's GM whoever picks up Jackson I'd want to talk to and give up my 2 first picks for the kid.

Or even wait and grab Jones who will hover in the 20's to 30's

ReleaseTheBeast7
02-06-2008, 06:03 AM
At first I thought the Dallas trade was way off, but after doing the math we would owe Dallas about 240 pts which is equal to #70 in the third round. That seems about fair for Javon. The problem is that Dallas just had a bad year with injuries to their WRs. Why would they risk going through that again. Also that trade is for Javon's value as a player. His value has been corrupted by his rant and teams can now wait it out. The only way Dallas goes for it is if Mendenhall or McFadden are still around.
I think Foxy gets a 4th from Miami (a third from any other team) and a 6th from Cincy for Gold is right on the money (it'll save us cap as well).

As of draft status right now:
Round 1A pick) By switching pick w/Dallas, top RBs are forfeit. Dre Moore falls here. Phillip Merling DE, Clemson
Round 1B pick) Lack of talent puts Conner in 1st round/ better value can be found later. Pat Sims DT, Auburn (Not sold on him/ pefer Laws)
Round 2 pick) Demps is way overpriced here. Morgan is better and way cheaper. Carl Nicks OT, Nebraska
Round 3 pick) Good FA WR available and too many other needs at that price. Phillip Wheeler ILB, Georgia Tech
Round 4A pick) I can't get a good feel for his value, but probably a reach here Quentin Groves DE, Auburn (Play OLB in the Pros)
Round 4B pick) A steal this late and Better value than Phillips or Quintin Demps DaJuan Morgan SS, N.C. State
Round 5A pick) Can't see Chauncey falling that far/ USC hype alone bumps him up Chauncey Washington RB, USC
Round 5B pick) As of right now late 4th early 5th round, but stock will rise to 3rd/4th Dexter Jackson WR, Appalachian State
Round 6 pick) I agree with slot and selection. Mike Dragosavich P, North Dakota St.
Round 7A pick) He's gonna retire sometime and I like the kid. Still a lateround toss pick John Sullivan C, Notre Dame (Backup guard??)
Round 7B pick) Ran out of wants, but this looked about right with Foxy leaving. Glenn Sharpe CB, Miami

So in the end: DLine 2, LB 2, Oline 2, Secondary 2, Off Weapons 2, SP 2(I count Dexter as a returner as well)
How Far off am I?

Add Cory Boyd, or Matt Forte in there instead of Washington and that's money

Broncosinindy
02-06-2008, 06:41 AM
Frank Okam has taken a nose dive in the draft. No chance he goes before Sims unless he blows up at the combine.

It seems he may have ealier but i am seeing his name higher on a lot more lists again...i would imagine his stock will rise after the combine. it also looks as though a site or two is dropping simms. ill see if i can find it. i think one was Footballsfutrue and the other was scottwrights?

Zanders76
02-06-2008, 01:39 PM
Add Cory Boyd, or Matt Forte in there instead of Washington and that's money

Concider it done!:cheers:

Zanders76
02-06-2008, 02:42 PM
Washington will stay in the 7th and rise no higher then 6th round the guy has way too many red flags and I wouldnt take him on USC hype alone. I rather take Forte or Keven Smith if im forced to eat this trade.

Also Shanahan would be beside himself if he had to go Defense again, He had chances to grab an RB last year in the 1st or in the 2nd. He spent last year on Defense. I doubt he will go twice in a row and neglect his Offensive. He's seen what round 1 backs can do for a team and he knows he got away with a steal in Davis, is chewed inside for letting Portis go and just shaking his head on wasting a pick on Tatum.

As I see it were better off sliding around in the 11-15th area and grabbing another 2nd round pick.

Your draft is good as it benifits more the Bears or Ravens because those teams are known more for their Defense then they are their offense.

Outside of the first four RBs I have no preferance. Too many holes in their games to get overly committed to any of them.
I agree that Mike will probably pick up a RB if their is one available, but in keeping with the spirit of this thread, he doesn't. Unless by some miracle, Felix Jones will be the only RB available at #22 and he isn't value at that pick, unless you have a desperate need, which we don't.
Also, don't get caught up in the hype of last years draft. The talent in that draft was way better than this one, and deeper. One year of good prospects doesn't make the next several years prospects good as well.
Even though Mike knows he got away with one w/ TD, doesn't mean he is going to screw his team for a mistake he made once before. Besides every year there seems to be the next must-have RB, whose abilities will transcend the game and manna will fall from heaven as he is selected. It's not true, RB is the most overhyped, most raplaceable position on the field (excluding great players of course), and best of all they're a dime-a-dozen.
As for the Bears and Ravens comment: I don't understand how that makes any sense. If a draft like this would make us more like the defenses of the Bears/Ravens, most sane prople would do it in a second. How can you knock trying to emulate two of the best Defenses in the last 20yrs. If it is known that you have a lousy Dfense, why would you avoid dealing with it by drafting offense. To that point why even change DCs; Because that is how you have prolific Offenses like KC, Indy and Cincy a couple of years back who could only win regular season games. Mike is dedicated first and foremost to winning the SB, and with those goals, he will draft to address positions that continue to keep this team from winning one.
Proof: 2003-04' Indy kill us in playoffs twice in a row = Draft 3 CB in a row; 2005 Defense is good enough, but Offense can't score enough to get past the AFCCG = Drafts primarily Offensive players; 2006 Believes we are only a few pieces away = Drafts line for depth and attacks the FA market.
Ligic: 2007 Defense is among the worst in the League = Overhaul at key positions ON THE DFENSE.
I'm not saying neglect positions completely, I thought my selections evenly covered all the bases. However, how can we draft more Rbs when we have so many (especially when everybody raves about how good Hall and Young are/ you don't have to be an everydown back when you have three backs suiting up every game). I'm saying: cover all your bases, but use your best selections on your positions of greatest need. If you happen to be one of those who think RB is our greatest need....this conversation needs to end.

BroncoKazuki
02-06-2008, 04:50 PM
Ok... let me break it down for you simply.


Shanahan feared the Colts because of Payton and what he did to our secondary.

Trade our Best RB for the Best CB in the game. (Portis/Champ trade)

hense creates the Running back by committee. That right there was seen as the most Genius thing in the league witch also created the worst thing for us. No real stable back. Thats what the RBC was doing witch was virtually masking that we have no real back.


We all knew plummer would never win the big one so it was only logical for the future of the team to draft a QB.

We fired coyer for bates, that proved to be the worst thing we could have done, bates scheme would have called for 2-3 conceutive defensive drafts to get anywhere near his scheme. We used one draft to get players for his scheme just to find out... it would not work as most did not grasp the concepts. SO we reverted to Slowick scheme witch was a blend of both.

Yet in a run heavy west, we'll be the only team without a stable back.

Henry/young/hall cannot do it... the RB by comittee has proven to have serious cracks.

Also... how many Defense first teams have won back to back SB? zero
How many Defense first teams won a superbowl? 1 the 2000 ravens after that nothing.
THe bears D got owned by the Colts.


the reason are D's were good during our back to back SB wins was because of the offense We kept the opposing offense iced when our offense started gaining momentum witch wore down the opposing defense. That ice'd effect played into the hands of our defense as they would capitalize on the mistakes done by the opposing offense forcing big plays.

So that right there is Shanaha's formula for a Superbowl his forumla its not on a super defense (we've seen what a Super Defense can do when it implodes [ala bears, ala pats]) its a very strong offense that can overwhelm a defense and keep the opposing offense off the field for a long period of time. Then a play making Defense that will use the desperation of the opposing offense to make plays.

So in essence Shanahan went against his own formula due to how Manning scared the crap out of him, out of how he knew he could never win a game with Plummer. So now he has Cutler so I see us going back to this formula. The defense will get help but the Offense will get more attention then it has in the past seasons.

broncofansd
02-08-2008, 04:26 PM
Denver Free Agent Signings

Bryant Johnson WR Arizonia 6'3" 216lbs

Randy Starks DT Tennesee

Marlon McCree S San Diego

Denver tenders D.Foxworth for a 3rd Round Pick and Miami Dolphins take him.

Denver trades Ian Gold to Cinninati for a 6th Round Pick
____________________________________________

2008 NFL DRAFT -----Denver has the 12th Pick.

Trade----Denver trades it's 1st(12) and Javon Walker to Dallas for it's 2 1st Round Picks #22 and #28.

1st Round Pick(22nd)-----Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinios Big/Fast/Strong very good RB.

1st Round Pick(28th)------James Hardy WR Indiana 6'6" 220lbs WR who caught 17 TD's this year. Great WR to pair with Marshall/Stokley

2nd Round Pick-------------Erin Henderson----6'3" 243lbs LB from Maryland.

3rd Round Pick(Fox trade)--Trevor Laws------6'1" 298lbs DT Notre Dame Tackling Machine from the DT position.

4th Round Pick--------------DeJuan Morgan---6'1" 205lbs Safety NC St. Had 117 tackles this year.

4th Round Pick---------------Duane Brown----6'5" 305lbs Perfect Tackle for Denver.

5th Round Pick----------------Letroy Guion----6'4" 298lbs DT Florida St.

5th Round Pick----------------Jordan Dizon----6'0" 228lbs LB Colorado Tackling machine from Colorado.

6th Round Pick----------------Mike Dragosavich-6'6" 205 lbs Punter from ND St.

7th Round Pick----------------Shannon Tevaga--6'3" 318lbs Guard UCLA

7th Round Pick----------------Glen Sharpe ------6'0" 188lbs CB Miami Outstanding CB who has been plagued by injuries.

This offseason and draft gets the Broncos a much needed infusion of talent on the offense Mendenhall/Hardy/Brown.

And the Defense Henderson/Laws/Morgan/Guion/Dizon.

Broncos win the Superbowl in 09.

denver30
02-08-2008, 05:18 PM
Denver Free Agent Signings

Bryant Johnson WR Arizonia 6'3" 216lbs

Randy Starks DT Tennesee

Marlon McCree S San Diego

Denver tenders D.Foxworth for a 3rd Round Pick and Miami Dolphins take him.

Denver trades Ian Gold to Cinninati for a 6th Round Pick
____________________________________________

2008 NFL DRAFT -----Denver has the 12th Pick.

Trade----Denver trades it's 1st(12) and Javon Walker to Dallas for it's 2 1st Round Picks #22 and #28.

1st Round Pick(22nd)-----Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinios Big/Fast/Strong very good RB.

1st Round Pick(28th)------James Hardy WR Indiana 6'6" 220lbs WR who caught 17 TD's this year. Great WR to pair with Marshall/Stokley

2nd Round Pick-------------Erin Henderson----6'3" 243lbs LB from Maryland.

3rd Round Pick(Fox trade)--Trevor Laws------6'1" 298lbs DT Notre Dame Tackling Machine from the DT position.

4th Round Pick--------------DeJuan Morgan---6'1" 205lbs Safety NC St. Had 117 tackles this year.

4th Round Pick---------------Duane Brown----6'5" 305lbs Perfect Tackle for Denver.

5th Round Pick----------------Letroy Guion----6'4" 298lbs DT Florida St.

5th Round Pick----------------Jordan Dizon----6'0" 228lbs LB Colorado Tackling machine from Colorado.

6th Round Pick----------------Mike Dragosavich-6'6" 205 lbs Punter from ND St.

7th Round Pick----------------Shannon Tevaga--6'3" 318lbs Guard UCLA

7th Round Pick----------------Glen Sharpe ------6'0" 188lbs CB Miami Outstanding CB who has been plagued by injuries.

This offseason and draft gets the Broncos a much needed infusion of talent on the offense Mendenhall/Hardy/Brown.

And the Defense Henderson/Laws/Morgan/Guion/Dizon.

Broncos win the Superbowl in 09.




Nice draft! Everything except for trading Gold and taking two DT's makes sense. Although I would prefer Stewart over Mendenhall but Stewart will probably be gone anyway.:sad: So Mendenhall makes sense here!:cheers: Lastly, the value on the Dallas trade is way off, but if we can get Jerry Jones to go for it, awesome.:rockon: To make the trade more enticing to Dallas we could throw in Henry and get rid of him.:cheers:

lancane
02-08-2008, 05:26 PM
Nice draft! Everything except for trading Gold and taking two DT's makes sense. Although I would prefer Stewart over Mendenhall but Stewart will probably be gone anyway.:sad: So Mendenhall makes sense here!:cheers: Lastly, the value on the Dallas trade is way off, but if we can get Jerry Jones to go for it, awesome.:rockon: To make the trade more enticing to Dallas we could throw in Henry and get rid of him.:cheers:

Mendenhall will be gone, he just jumped to the top of Mayock's running back list even ahead of McFadden, if he puts up the numbers at the combine we would be more likely to get Stewart or Jones at that spot, more likely I think Jones...lol.

BroncoKazuki
02-08-2008, 05:41 PM
Mendenhall will be gone, he just jumped to the top of Mayock's running back list even ahead of McFadden, if he puts up the numbers at the combine we would be more likely to get Stewart or Jones at that spot, more likely I think Jones...lol.

thats why im rooting for McFadden to overtake Mendenhall in the Combine and I know McFadden will because if he doesnt hit the top 5 he'll miss his payday.

Mendenhall and Stewart will battle it out to be in the top 15 and may be a surprise if both are in the top 15 with Jones in the top 20

shwangyo
02-08-2008, 05:53 PM
You have us signing Johnson in FA and then drafting Hardy in the 1st?:confused: Very unlikely, as is the Javon trade to the Cowboys for 2 firsts.

Bronkster
02-08-2008, 06:11 PM
Wow, that's some good work. It probably took you a long time. Props!

However, I disagree with a few things:

1.) Why would we draft Hardy in the Draft if we sign Johnson? I LOVE Hardy, and I think he will be a very good pro...just not a Bronco. Also, I bet he goes a little later than the first round.

2.) Mendenhall will not happen. If the trade to Dallas goes through (long shot). I think we draft two players that will fill a hole. There is no hole at running back. That is fact...not debatable.

3.) With the two first rounders, I think we would take:
-Sam Baker
-Kentwan Balmer

denver30
02-08-2008, 06:15 PM
Wow, that's some good work. It probably took you a long time. Props!

However, I disagree with a few things:

1.) Why would we draft Hardy in the Draft if we sign Johnson? I LOVE Hardy, and I think he will be a very good pro...just not a Bronco. Also, I bet he goes a little later than the first round.

2.) Mendenhall will not happen. If the trade to Dallas goes through (long shot). I think we draft two players that will fill a hole. There is no hole at running back. That is fact...not debatable.

3.) With the two first rounders, I think we would take:
-Sam Baker
-Kentwan Balmer


Not debatable? I remember in debate class my teacher saying that everything is debatable. So I just wondered how you can make an independent decision like that??;)

AllEyezOnZach27
02-08-2008, 06:16 PM
Denver Free Agent Signings

Bryant Johnson WR Arizonia 6'3" 216lbs

Randy Starks DT Tennesee

Marlon McCree S San Diego

Denver tenders D.Foxworth for a 3rd Round Pick and Miami Dolphins take him.

Denver trades Ian Gold to Cinninati for a 6th Round Pick
____________________________________________

2008 NFL DRAFT -----Denver has the 12th Pick.

Trade----Denver trades it's 1st(12) and Javon Walker to Dallas for it's 2 1st Round Picks #22 and #28.

1st Round Pick(22nd)-----Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinios Big/Fast/Strong very good RB.

1st Round Pick(28th)------James Hardy WR Indiana 6'6" 220lbs WR who caught 17 TD's this year. Great WR to pair with Marshall/Stokley

2nd Round Pick-------------Erin Henderson----6'3" 243lbs LB from Maryland.

3rd Round Pick(Fox trade)--Trevor Laws------6'1" 298lbs DT Notre Dame Tackling Machine from the DT position.

4th Round Pick--------------DeJuan Morgan---6'1" 205lbs Safety NC St. Had 117 tackles this year.

4th Round Pick---------------Duane Brown----6'5" 305lbs Perfect Tackle for Denver.

5th Round Pick----------------Letroy Guion----6'4" 298lbs DT Florida St.

5th Round Pick----------------Jordan Dizon----6'0" 228lbs LB Colorado Tackling machine from Colorado.

6th Round Pick----------------Mike Dragosavich-6'6" 205 lbs Punter from ND St.

7th Round Pick----------------Shannon Tevaga--6'3" 318lbs Guard UCLA

7th Round Pick----------------Glen Sharpe ------6'0" 188lbs CB Miami Outstanding CB who has been plagued by injuries.

This offseason and draft gets the Broncos a much needed infusion of talent on the offense Mendenhall/Hardy/Brown.

And the Defense Henderson/Laws/Morgan/Guion/Dizon.

Broncos win the Superbowl in 09.



I like it except I would much rather have Sims as the second 1st rounder and Bennett in the 3rd. Otherwise I like it! :salute:

lancane
02-08-2008, 06:17 PM
Wow, that's some good work. It probably took you a long time. Props!

However, I disagree with a few things:

1.) Why would we draft Hardy in the Draft if we sign Johnson? I LOVE Hardy, and I think he will be a very good pro...just not a Bronco. Also, I bet he goes a little later than the first round.

2.) Mendenhall will not happen. If the trade to Dallas goes through (long shot). I think we draft two players that will fill a hole. There is no hole at running back. That is fact...not debatable.

3.) With the two first rounders, I think we would take:
-Sam Baker
-Kentwan Balmer

That is not a fact, that is an opinion...;)

broncofansd
02-18-2008, 02:42 PM
Denver Broncos have been playing very soft as of the last 2 years. We really miss Al Wilson and his Warrior mentality.
___________________________________________

Denver's Offseason

Denver tenders D.Foxworth for a 3rd Round Pick and Miami Dophins take him

Denver trades Ian Gold to Cinncinatti for a 6th Round Pick.

Denver signs Corey Williams to a 5 year contract. Williams gives us a STUD DT who is just entering his Prime.

Denver signs Bryant Johnson to a 4 year contract. Johnson has been a very solid WR and provides Cutler another excellent tall target.

_____________________________________________

2008 NFL DRAFT---------Denver has 12th Pick------------

Denver trades it's 12th Pick to Minnesota for it's 1st(17) and 3rd(74)

Denver then trades it's 17th pick to Dallas for it's 1st(28th) and 2nd(59)

_____________________________________________

1st Round Pick--------Pat Sims--6'4" 314lbs DT Monster from Auburn. He completes our DT rotation. Williams/Thomas/Sims/McKinnley

2nd Round Pick-------Branden Albert---6'6" 315lbs T/G Virginia. This guy is a incredibly athletic and mobile player who can come in and play LT for the Broncos for years.

2nd Round Pick-------DaJuan Morgan---6'1" 205lbs Safety NC St. Just flat out Production. This kid is a tackling machine at Safety 117 tackles this year.

3rd Round Pick--------Xavier Adibi------6'2" 220lbs LB from Virginia Tech. Excellent OLB Denver needs.

3rd Round Pick--------Matt Forte--------6'2" 220lbs RB Had over 2100 yards this year. Tough runner

4th Round Pick--------Jordy Nelson-----6'3" 215lbs WR Production/Production/Production had 122 catches Senior Year.

4th Round Pick--------Owen Schmidt---6'2" 250lbs FB Big/Strong FB can you say Howard Griffith II.

5th Round Pick--------Kevin Robinson---6'0" 190lbs WR/KR Explosive KR that the Broncos need.

5th Round Pick--------Jonathon Zenon---6'0" 180lbs CB LSU Very good athletic Safety.

6th Round Pick---------Mike DRAGO -----6'6" 200lbs Punter from ND St. Excellent Punter we need.

7th Round Pick----------Glen Sharpe------6'0" 188lbs CB Miami. Very talented CB who has been injured in college.

7th Round Pick----------Jason Shirely------6'5" 328 lbs DT Fresno St. Big/Strong DT in the 7th.

We upgrade our Weakest Position DT--Corey Williams/Pat Sims.

We get a future LT in Branden Albert.

We get a great OLB in Adibi.

We get 2 very good WR in Bryant Johnson/Jordy Nelson.

Basically get alot more talent on this team

The Dyna$ty
02-18-2008, 03:01 PM
funny about 3/4 of those picks are soft players especially that overrated wb Jordy Nelson, the guy has bust written on his forehead.

also I doubt Albert makes it past the 2nd round after its all said and done and Adibi and Morgan won't be there either.

CTM
02-18-2008, 08:56 PM
I like the idea of aquiring alot more picks I just dont know how realistic those trades might be. If we somehow ended up at 28 I would take Dan Connor and then Dre Moore in the 2nd. I like Dajuan Morgan but I think for OT we should go Duane Brown who fits our scheme very well and he might be available in the 4th. Instead of Forte in the 3rd I would look at OG or C because of the age we have at those positions and we dont want to be crippled if another major injury hits the OL.
Again, its a nice idea to wheel and deal to pick up more picks, but some of those trades are unrealistic.

broncs2bowl
02-18-2008, 09:07 PM
I can make a mock like this:

1st: Sedrick Ellis
2nd: Keith Rivers
4th: Kenny Philips
4th: DeSean Jackson
5th: Dan Connor
5th: Pat Sims...............i think u get the point

This is not a realistic mock draft as most of those players will be gone much before any of the spots you have them selected. NOW IF THIS WENT DOWN MIRACULOUSLY yes it is a very NASTY draft.

However there is no way all those players fall that far so it is worthless


ha im sry ive been turning into a total b***h lately, I think the offseason is getting to me lol.

stnzed
02-18-2008, 09:14 PM
I liked it til the Adibi/Forte/Nelson picks.

Adibi: I don't know about you guys, but I've had enough of the tiny players, and Adibi is as tiny as they come. He'll be a liability against the run, something Denver already has plenty of.

Forte: Ever since Dream reported that Denver representatives were seen talking to Forte he's been a popular choice. But he is nothing special to say the least, so he is most likely at the top of Denver's board......I hate the pick, Denver can get this guys production from an undrafted rookie free agent.

Nelson: The Broncos probably have this guy high on their board too, it figures, he's very ordinary.

Trading down is one of the few scenarios where Denver can get a DT in the 1st round, I like it. but when you trade that far down, you're not drafting a top12 talent, not even close, and that is something Denver does need! And remember, it's Shanahan using the picks, chances are still good that the extra/lower picks go to waste.

That's not meant to be a rip on Shanahan, it's just a reality we live with......

CTM
02-18-2008, 09:14 PM
I can make a mock like this:

1st: Sedrick Ellis
2nd: Keith Rivers
4th: Kenny Philips
4th: DeSean Jackson
5th: Dan Connor
5th: Pat Sims...............i think u get the point

This is not a realistic mock draft as most of those players will be gone much before any of the spots you have them selected. NOW IF THIS WENT DOWN MIRACULOUSLY yes it is a very NASTY draft.

However there is no way all those players fall that far so it is worthless


ha im sry ive been turning into a total b***h lately, I think the offseason is getting to me lol.

Haha THAT is the best mock draft I've ever seen lol.:D I know what you mean man, I hate all this speculation but I'm so bored with waiting for the draft there's nothing else to do but speculate.:rolleyes: 60 plus days and counting... 60 plus days and counting...:eek:

BroncoKazuki
02-18-2008, 09:24 PM
the one thing i do agree about is the title of this mock draft. this is truely a nasty one.


too many moves and Dallas wont trade us the two 1st they have if they dont have a shot at McFadden so at the 17th they wont so thats laughable


most of the players are ok but like stnzed said the Forte/Adibi/Nelson picks just dodn't work.

If your going after a back either take it at the top or get the top FB instead.

also the Willams and Miami not really good.

elevation INC
02-19-2008, 12:28 AM
okay where to start.....now i say this as constructively as possible.....there is not a chance this goes down.

I agree with shopping fox but i think a 4th is more realistic and u have to look at teams that need corners really bad.....New Orleans and houston are likely canidates. also parcells is in charge of the dolphins now and they need all the picks they can get so i doubt they trade any unless its their 1st pick.


i am okay wit the gold trade but i feel cincy wont bite, but if they do cool


now to FA i like bryant johnson a lot but 3 years is more realistic, corey williams is unlikely as GB really wants to find a way to keep him.

DRaft trades----- minnesota is probally not a likely canidate, and the value is off, but tampa is they need WR,QB,CB so mike jenkins, andre woodson, and desean jackson are all targets of theres, trading might really help them out and we get the 20th and 52 picks for our 12th. Dallas isnt even in the picture and trading 2 times in the 1st rd is extremly rare.

so in the end we end up with:

1
2a
2b
4a
4b
4c
5a
5b
6
7a
7b

that give us 11 picks to work with and would could possibly trade for a 3rd round pick as well.



Good Effort though.......

BF
02-19-2008, 09:05 AM
Denver Broncos have been playing very soft as of the last 2 years. We really miss Al Wilson and his Warrior mentality.
___________________________________________

Denver's Offseason

Denver tenders D.Foxworth for a 3rd Round Pick and Miami Dophins take him

Denver trades Ian Gold to Cinncinatti for a 6th Round Pick.

Denver signs Corey Williams to a 5 year contract. Williams gives us a STUD DT who is just entering his Prime.

Denver signs Bryant Johnson to a 4 year contract. Johnson has been a very solid WR and provides Cutler another excellent tall target.

_____________________________________________

2008 NFL DRAFT---------Denver has 12th Pick------------

Denver trades it's 12th Pick to Minnesota for it's 1st(17) and 3rd(74)

Denver then trades it's 17th pick to Dallas for it's 1st(28th) and 2nd(59)

_____________________________________________

1st Round Pick--------Pat Sims--6'4" 314lbs DT Monster from Auburn. He completes our DT rotation. Williams/Thomas/Sims/McKinnley

2nd Round Pick-------Branden Albert---6'6" 315lbs T/G Virginia. This guy is a incredibly athletic and mobile player who can come in and play LT for the Broncos for years.

2nd Round Pick-------DaJuan Morgan---6'1" 205lbs Safety NC St. Just flat out Production. This kid is a tackling machine at Safety 117 tackles this year.

3rd Round Pick--------Xavier Adibi------6'2" 220lbs LB from Virginia Tech. Excellent OLB Denver needs.

3rd Round Pick--------Matt Forte--------6'2" 220lbs RB Had over 2100 yards this year. Tough runner

4th Round Pick--------Jordy Nelson-----6'3" 215lbs WR Production/Production/Production had 122 catches Senior Year.

4th Round Pick--------Owen Schmidt---6'2" 250lbs FB Big/Strong FB can you say Howard Griffith II.

5th Round Pick--------Kevin Robinson---6'0" 190lbs WR/KR Explosive KR that the Broncos need.

5th Round Pick--------Jonathon Zenon---6'0" 180lbs CB LSU Very good athletic Safety.

6th Round Pick---------Mike DRAGO -----6'6" 200lbs Punter from ND St. Excellent Punter we need.

7th Round Pick----------Glen Sharpe------6'0" 188lbs CB Miami. Very talented CB who has been injured in college.

7th Round Pick----------Jason Shirely------6'5" 328 lbs DT Fresno St. Big/Strong DT in the 7th.

We upgrade our Weakest Position DT--Corey Williams/Pat Sims.

We get a future LT in Branden Albert.

We get a great OLB in Adibi.

We get 2 very good WR in Bryant Johnson/Jordy Nelson.

Basically get alot more talent on this team




I won't comment on your draft picks, but I really like the Branden Albert pick. You can see film on him in the NFL DRAFT website through Mayock's OL evaluations. This guy is an awesome lineman and the least looked at amongst the top lineman. Versatile lineman who can play both guard and tackle in the pros. Personally (not looking for a debate), I would be tempted to draft him over Clady, but would be a hard choice between him and Williams. The slight edge would be Albert due to his versatility at T/G, more value.

Warhawk
02-19-2008, 12:26 PM
I won't comment on your draft picks, but I really like the Branden Albert pick. You can see film on him in the NFL DRAFT website through Mayock's OL evaluations. This guy is an awesome lineman and the least looked at amongst the top lineman. Versatile lineman who can play both guard and tackle in the pros. Personally (not looking for a debate), I would be tempted to draft him over Clady, but would be a hard choice between him and Williams. The slight edge would be Albert due to his versatility at T/G, more value.

I really like Albert too, but I don't like the talk about trying him at OT. I hope whatever team gets him keeps him at G. He'll be a pro bowler at that position, especially if the running scheme takes advantage of his mobility... the guy is a beast when attacking the second level.

broncofansd
02-19-2008, 12:58 PM
Both Pat Sims and Branden Albert would give us 2 Excellent Players at the spots were we need to get tougher and stronger.


Branden Albert is a beast. He would be perfect for Denver.

BroncoKazuki
02-19-2008, 04:28 PM
Both Pat Sims and Branden Albert would give us 2 Excellent Players at the spots were we need to get tougher and stronger.


Branden Albert is a beast. He would be perfect for Denver.




Sorry but is that your Opinion or do you have some scouting info to add to that?

SOrry but I cant grasp your mock.

Max Power
02-19-2008, 04:32 PM
Denver trades it's 12th Pick to Minnesota for it's 1st(17) and 3rd(74)

Denver then trades it's 17th pick to Dallas for it's 1st(28th) and 2nd(59)


Trading down once doesn't happen very often. Doing it twice in a row, in the 1st round no less, is probably unprecendented. For that reason, your mock is unrealistic. I like the picks though.

broncofansd
03-07-2008, 08:25 PM
Denver has signed 2 LB's in Free Agency which means LB is out during the Draft.

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Denver still signs a couple of Veterans in the Offseason.

Denver signs Marlon McCree to a 3 year deal.

Denver signs Lorenzo Neal to a 2 year deal.

Houston signs D. Foxworth for their 3rd Round Pick.

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2008 NFL DRAFT --------Denver selects 12th------------


****Trade****Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick to Dallas for it's 1st(22nd) , 2nd and 3rd Round Picks.



1st Round Pick------------Devon Thomas WR/KR This is the type of WR Shanahan wants , also is a Excellent Kick Returner. Forms a Dominate duo with Brandon Marshall.

2nd Round Pick------------Pat Sims DT Big/Fast and Strong DT from the SEC. Perfect for Denver.

2nd Round Pick(Dallas)----Ahtyba Rubens DT 325lbs DT to team with Marcus Thomas/Pat Sims and Alvin McKinnley.

3rd Round Pick(Houston)--Josh Barrett SS 225lbs Safety from ASU Huge potential will learn from John Lynch.

3rd Round Pick(Dallas)----Duane Brown T 305lbs Former TE with great feet. Perfect for Denver.

4th Round Pick-------------Tashard Choice RB 211lbs Running Back

4th Round Pick-------------Jeremy Zuttah T 303lbs Extremely Fast and Strong Tackle/Guard.

5th Round Pick-------------Peyton Hillis FB 240lbs Excellent West Coast FB.

5th Round Pick-------------Mike Dragosavich P The punter we need to draft.

7th Round Pick-------------Taylor Mehlhaff K The Kicker we are going to need unless Denver comes to senses and re-signs Elam.

7th Round Pick-------------Glen Sharpe CB Good CB who has been injured alot in college.


We get a Excellent WR/KR - Devon Thomas

2 Excellent DT's -----Pat Sims/Ahtyba Rubens

2 Excellent OT's------Duane Brown/Jeremy Zuttah

1 Promising Safety in Barrett.

This will bring a ton of talent to this team and pay dividends for years

denver30
03-07-2008, 08:31 PM
Denver has signed 2 LB's in Free Agency which means LB is out during the Draft.

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Denver still signs a couple of Veterans in the Offseason.

Denver signs Marlon McCree to a 3 year deal.

Denver signs Lorenzo Neal to a 2 year deal.

Houston signs D. Foxworth for their 3rd Round Pick.

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2008 NFL DRAFT --------Denver selects 12th------------


****Trade****Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick to Dallas for it's 1st(22nd) , 2nd and 3rd Round Picks.



1st Round Pick------------Devon Thomas WR/KR This is the type of WR Shanahan wants , also is a Excellent Kick Returner. Forms a Dominate duo with Brandon Marshall.

2nd Round Pick------------Pat Sims DT Big/Fast and Strong DT from the SEC. Perfect for Denver.

2nd Round Pick(Dallas)----Ahtyba Rubens DT 325lbs DT to team with Marcus Thomas/Pat Sims and Alvin McKinnley.

3rd Round Pick(Houston)--Josh Barrett SS 225lbs Safety from ASU Huge potential will learn from John Lynch.

3rd Round Pick(Dallas)----Duane Brown T 305lbs Former TE with great feet. Perfect for Denver.

4th Round Pick-------------Tashard Choice RB 211lbs Running Back

4th Round Pick-------------Jeremy Zuttah T 303lbs Extremely Fast and Strong Tackle/Guard.

5th Round Pick-------------Peyton Hillis FB 240lbs Excellent West Coast FB.

5th Round Pick-------------Mike Dragosavich P The punter we need to draft.

7th Round Pick-------------Taylor Mehlhaff K The Kicker we are going to need unless Denver comes to senses and re-signs Elam.

7th Round Pick-------------Glen Sharpe CB Good CB who has been injured alot in college.


We get a Excellent WR/KR - Devon Thomas

2 Excellent DT's -----Pat Sims/Ahtyba Rubens

2 Excellent OT's------Duane Brown/Jeremy Zuttah

1 Promising Safety in Barrett.

This will bring a ton of talent to this team and pay dividends for years




Overall, I really like it! I don't like taking two OT's I would rather take a OT and a OG. Hills isn't a bad choice but I would rather have Durant Brooks than Mike Dragosavich. I'm not high on Choice because he isn't fast enough, I would rather take Steve Slaton who has enough speed to compliment Travis Henry very well.

crazybronco
03-07-2008, 08:33 PM
get rid of neal and the other full back u drafted and instead of a full back we should take another safety line backer de or another wr

Saucy
03-07-2008, 08:40 PM
I think if this happens, I'll be a very happy Broncos fan! Except I really want a top RB in the draft.

CTM
03-07-2008, 09:52 PM
Fairly solid. I like Thomas a lot, he's the only WR who I'm sold on, and I love the 2 DT's in the 2nd. That would go a long way to improve the defense. I still think we should take a mid round LB to develop and I dont like taking 2 OT. Nalen and Hamilton were injured last year so so we should look to add interior line depth. I hope we can pull off aquiring more 2nd and 3rd rounders but that remains to be seen.

Zanders76
03-08-2008, 07:44 AM
Just some thoughts (In Bold)


Denver has signed 2 LB's in Free Agency which means LB is out during the Draft. (They only gained one, so they could draft and have competition to start)
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Denver still signs a couple of Veterans in the Offseason.

Denver signs Marlon McCree to a 3 year deal. (Not Gonna Happen)

Denver signs Lorenzo Neal to a 2 year deal.

Houston signs D. Foxworth for their 3rd Round Pick.

____________________________________________


2008 NFL DRAFT --------Denver selects 12th------------


****Trade****Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick to Dallas for it's 1st(22nd) , 2nd and 3rd Round Picks. (Only gonna happen if DMc is still there)



1st Round Pick------------Devon Thomas WR/KR This is the type of WR Shanahan wants , also is a Excellent Kick Returner. Forms a Dominate duo with Brandon Marshall. (Hate the Idea of First round WR: Pick Laws)

2nd Round Pick------------Pat Sims DT Big/Fast and Strong DT from the SEC. Perfect for Denver. (Not a proven player: Pick Interior Oline, ex. Alberts)

2nd Round Pick(Dallas)----Ahtyba Rubens DT 325lbs DT to team with Marcus Thomas/Pat Sims and Alvin McKinnley. (I think he can be gotten later. This is where a Linebacker could be taken: Pick Erin Henderson)

3rd Round Pick(Houston)--Josh Barrett SS 225lbs Safety from ASU Huge potential will learn from John Lynch.

3rd Round Pick(Dallas)----Duane Brown T 305lbs Former TE with great feet. Perfect for Denver.

4th Round Pick-------------Tashard Choice RB 211lbs Running Back (If we don't get a RB with the first 2 picks, then we wait for undrafted FAs)

4th Round Pick-------------Jeremy Zuttah T 303lbs Extremely Fast and Strong Tackle/Guard.

5th Round Pick-------------Peyton Hillis FB 240lbs Excellent West Coast FB. (Why get Neal then, good spot for WR: Pick Dexter Jackson or Best WR Avail)

5th Round Pick-------------Mike Dragosavich P The punter we need to draft.

7th Round Pick-------------Taylor Mehlhaff K The Kicker we are going to need unless Denver comes to senses and re-signs Elam. (We go one or the other, more that likely one that can do both

7th Round Pick-------------Glen Sharpe CB Good CB who has been injured alot in college.


We get a Excellent WR/KR - Devon Thomas

2 Excellent DT's -----Pat Sims/Ahtyba Rubens

2 Excellent OT's------Duane Brown/Jeremy Zuttah

1 Promising Safety in Barrett.

This will bring a ton of talent to this team and pay dividends for years

jdubv724
03-08-2008, 08:00 AM
Overall, I really like it! I don't like taking two OT's I would rather take a OT and a OG. Hills isn't a bad choice but I would rather have Durant Brooks than Mike Dragosavich. I'm not high on Choice because he isn't fast enough, I would rather take Steve Slaton who has enough speed to compliment Travis Henry very well.

I really hope we dont get a WR for our first pick. We need GOOD offensive lineman really bad, and if we cant get one i hope if Phillips is still around the LB out of USC, we snatch him up. PLEASE SHANNY DONT DRAFT A RB OR WR WITH THE 12 PICK PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

spcdlee02
03-08-2008, 09:42 AM
I really hope we dont get a WR for our first pick. We need GOOD offensive lineman really bad, and if we cant get one i hope if Phillips is still around the LB out of USC, we snatch him up. PLEASE SHANNY DONT DRAFT A RB OR WR WITH THE 12 PICK PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree whole-heartedly. NO RB OR WR IN THE 1ST!!!!! I think quality WR's can be taken in the later rounds or through UFA. We need a high quality Tackle for Jay and depth in the middle. We all know full well too that DT is a pressing need. For the most part I like this Mock. There are a few teams out there, Dallas being one, that we could deal with who would be looking for a RB in the first. Dallas jumps to mind with the departure of Julius Jones. I do hope we trade down and pick up a couple more Day 1 picks. It would help our depth more than anything.

denver30
03-08-2008, 10:06 AM
I agree whole-heartedly. NO RB OR WR IN THE 1ST!!!!! I think quality WR's can be taken in the later rounds or through UFA. We need a high quality Tackle for Jay and depth in the middle. We all know full well too that DT is a pressing need. For the most part I like this Mock. There are a few teams out there, Dallas being one, that we could deal with who would be looking for a RB in the first. Dallas jumps to mind with the departure of Julius Jones. I do hope we trade down and pick up a couple more Day 1 picks. It would help our depth more than anything.


Here is our problem, we don't have a stable running game or a speed burner at receiver. I agree that we need a OT but we can groom one we take in the 4th or below rounds (think Oneil Cousins). If we trade down we could get a good runner and WR along with taking a DT. But our first needs through the draft should be a RB, DT, WR.

get'yaP0PCRNrdy
03-08-2008, 10:35 AM
i say we wait with the full backs and running backs and focus more on defense and offensive line. if we get a fantastic offensive line we'll turn anyone into a great running back just like we always have. but i kinda like the first pick. we need some explosive wr that can be a playmaker along side brandon marshall and we're in desperate need of a decent returner.

CanDB
03-08-2008, 11:00 AM
Here is our problem, we don't have a stable running game or a speed burner at receiver. I agree that we need a OT but we can groom one we take in the 4th or below rounds (think Oneil Cousins). If we trade down we could get a good runner and WR along with taking a DT. But our first needs through the draft should be a RB, DT, WR.

I agree with your analysis, although I want Mendenhall (sorry for not being original!!), a DT (Laws) and a speedy WR, preferably with a round 3 pick (lets get one).

Bronkster
03-08-2008, 11:10 AM
Nice draft...Thomas is an interesting pick, and we shall see if he indeed does go in the first round eventually. If he does, I think it will be near the end of the first round with the Chargers or someone like that. If he falls, I think he will fall in the second round to number 12. We shall see though.

denver30
03-08-2008, 11:11 AM
I agree with your analysis, although I want Mendenhall (sorry for not being original!!), a DT (Laws) and a speedy WR, preferably with a round 3 pick (lets get one).


I could live with that especially if we get a guy like Andre Caldwell in the 3rd.:cheers:

kg
03-08-2008, 11:52 AM
We need a strong offensive Tackle....if we don't take a Tackle on the first (12th) pick we need a strong sturdy middle linebacker...Dan O'Connor (PSU). I think he is solid.:rockon:

broncofansd
03-12-2008, 05:33 PM
Denver has done a very good job of addressing our LB issue and Safety issue in Free Agency.


D. Foxworth is signed by Houston for their 3rd Round Pick and Denver lets him go.


_____________________________________________

2008 NFL DRAFT----------Denver selects 12th------------

****Trade**** Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick to Minnesota for it's original 3rd Round Pick and 5th Round Pick.


1st Round Pick(Minn)----------Devon Thomas--------WR 6'2" 216 lbs Big/Fast/Strong WR who is a Excellent WR and Kick Returner. He is flying up draft boards and is currently ranked #1 WR at NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com and Scout.com. He immediately improves our Special Teams which Shanahan has wanted for years.


2nd Round Pick----------------Pat Sims---------------DT 6'5" 314lbs DT ALL SEC DT and MVP of his Bowl Game. This guy might just be the best DT in the Draft looking back 5 years from now.


3rd Round Pick(Minn)---------Duane Brown-----------T 6'5" 303lbs Another Player who is moving up draft boards wiith great workouts. Perfect ZBS Tackle for Denver.


3rd Round Pick(Houston)-----Tyrell Johnson----------SS 6'0" 207lbs Excellent SS to learn from Lynch.


4th Round Pick----------------Tashard Choice---------RB 5'11" 211lbs Awesome inside RB for Denver.


4th Round Pick----------------Owen Schmidt----------FB 6'2" 240lbs Can you say Howard Griffith II.


5th Round Pick(Oakland)------Jonathon Zenon--------CB LSU Very good CB to make up for Foxworth.

5th Round Pick(Denver)-------Letroy Guion------------DT Florida St. Another good DT for Denver.

5th Round Pick(Minnesota)----Mike Dragosavich-------Punter. We need a good Punter.

7th Round Pick(Denver)--------Kevin Robinson---------WR/KR Explosive KR.

7th Round Pick(Tampa)--------Glen Sharpe-------------CB Very good CB.

I think this draft would address our needs at DT/T/S/WR with Great Players.

CTM
03-12-2008, 06:04 PM
Not bad... wouldnt say perfect. Why 2 CB's? I know if we lose Foxy we should take one but thats all. Thomas might be a bit of a reach at 17 but he's the only WR I really like at the top end of the draft so no real complaint. Not bad on the DT picks. I prefer Dre Moore in the 2nd but Sims is right up there. Schmitt would be a good pick up as a nice extra weapon around the goal line. I dont think we go S in the draft, thats just my gut feeling. I also feel we need more interior line help.

My mock below shows what I think we should do.

broncofansd
03-12-2008, 06:32 PM
I completely disagree with you on Dre Moore. During the Senior Bowl. He would dominate one on one drills and then do nothing in the scrimmage or game.


Pat Sims might just be the best DT in the Draft. Only time will tell. But at 6'5" 314lbs and ALL SEC and MVP of his Bowl Game. I will take my chances.

I do like your draft. I like Branden Albert alot.


I think Devon Thomas brings his 199 total yards a game to the Broncos. So he immediately UPGRADES the Special Teams.

kona bronco
03-12-2008, 06:43 PM
Denver has done a very good job of addressing our LB issue and Safety issue in Free Agency.


D. Foxworth is signed by Houston for their 3rd Round Pick and Denver lets him go.


_____________________________________________

2008 NFL DRAFT----------Denver selects 12th------------

****Trade**** Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick to Minnesota for it's original 3rd Round Pick and 5th Round Pick.


1st Round Pick(Minn)----------Devon Thomas--------WR 6'2" 216 lbs Big/Fast/Strong WR who is a Excellent WR and Kick Returner. He is flying up draft boards and is currently ranked #1 WR at NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com and Scout.com. He immediately improves our Special Teams which Shanahan has wanted for years.


2nd Round Pick----------------Pat Sims---------------DT 6'5" 314lbs DT ALL SEC DT and MVP of his Bowl Game. This guy might just be the best DT in the Draft looking back 5 years from now.


3rd Round Pick(Minn)---------Duane Brown-----------T 6'5" 303lbs Another Player who is moving up draft boards wiith great workouts. Perfect ZBS Tackle for Denver.


3rd Round Pick(Houston)-----Tyrell Johnson----------SS 6'0" 207lbs Excellent SS to learn from Lynch.


4th Round Pick----------------Tashard Choice---------RB 5'11" 211lbs Awesome inside RB for Denver.


4th Round Pick----------------Owen Schmidt----------FB 6'2" 240lbs Can you say Howard Griffith II.


5th Round Pick(Oakland)------Jonathon Zenon--------CB LSU Very good CB to make up for Foxworth.

5th Round Pick(Denver)-------Letroy Guion------------DT Florida St. Another good DT for Denver.

5th Round Pick(Minnesota)----Mike Dragosavich-------Punter. We need a good Punter.

7th Round Pick(Denver)--------Kevin Robinson---------WR/KR Explosive KR.

7th Round Pick(Tampa)--------Glen Sharpe-------------CB Very good CB.

I think this draft would address our needs at DT/T/S/WR with Great Players.



Nothing personal but I dont see a WR in the first round. I like Pat Sims but would prefer a pure NT instead. My personal mock is trade down pick up brandon alberts, sam baker then rubin and bennett.

kg
03-12-2008, 06:48 PM
Sooo....what you're saying is that we should give up our 1st round selection for a third and 5th round pick when we absolutely positively have to get the best OT in the draft....that has to be ridiculous...:eek:

milehighporter
03-12-2008, 07:10 PM
I'm doing a mock draft on my hurricanes site right now, i got denver so when i'm done ill post who i took and see what you guys think of my draft.

VABronco37
03-12-2008, 07:52 PM
4th Round Pick----------------Owen Schmidt----------FB 6'2" 240lbs Can you say Howard Griffith II.
I would like to think not.
If any FB he reminds me of it, Mike Alstott.

elevation INC
03-13-2008, 07:50 AM
Denver has done a very good job of addressing our LB issue and Safety issue in Free Agency.


D. Foxworth is signed by Houston for their 3rd Round Pick and Denver lets him go.


_____________________________________________

2008 NFL DRAFT----------Denver selects 12th------------

****Trade**** Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick to Minnesota for it's original 3rd Round Pick and 5th Round Pick.


1st Round Pick(Minn)----------Devon Thomas--------WR 6'2" 216 lbs Big/Fast/Strong WR who is a Excellent WR and Kick Returner. He is flying up draft boards and is currently ranked #1 WR at NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com and Scout.com. He immediately improves our Special Teams which Shanahan has wanted for years.


2nd Round Pick----------------Pat Sims---------------DT 6'5" 314lbs DT ALL SEC DT and MVP of his Bowl Game. This guy might just be the best DT in the Draft looking back 5 years from now.


3rd Round Pick(Minn)---------Duane Brown-----------T 6'5" 303lbs Another Player who is moving up draft boards wiith great workouts. Perfect ZBS Tackle for Denver.


3rd Round Pick(Houston)-----Tyrell Johnson----------SS 6'0" 207lbs Excellent SS to learn from Lynch.


4th Round Pick----------------Tashard Choice---------RB 5'11" 211lbs Awesome inside RB for Denver.


4th Round Pick----------------Owen Schmidt----------FB 6'2" 240lbs Can you say Howard Griffith II.


5th Round Pick(Oakland)------Jonathon Zenon--------CB LSU Very good CB to make up for Foxworth.

5th Round Pick(Denver)-------Letroy Guion------------DT Florida St. Another good DT for Denver.

5th Round Pick(Minnesota)----Mike Dragosavich-------Punter. We need a good Punter.

7th Round Pick(Denver)--------Kevin Robinson---------WR/KR Explosive KR.

7th Round Pick(Tampa)--------Glen Sharpe-------------CB Very good CB.

I think this draft would address our needs at DT/T/S/WR with Great Players.











the chance of minn do that trade are rare, they have some big needs and i dont think they will be willing to do that trade and surrender 2 picks perhaps you can tell me why they might??

in any case i like the effort but the picks are off. we need help with our lines far more than skill position spots. Devin thomas is probally not likely. I like Pat simms and would be fine with that. i like the duane brown pick and tyrell johnson pick he should be a sleeper safety. tashard choice will be gone before the 4th rd and currently there is talk of schmitt sliding into the top of the 3rd. who knows with that. after that u have a DT who wont amount to much, and 2 corners which we dont need. 1 maybe but 2 no.


in any case its based on a trade with minn and if it doesnt happen the draft wont even be close to this.


but again thanks for the creative thinking

broncofansd
04-22-2008, 05:48 PM
I believe that Glen Dorsey is the player that Denver needs. DT is our weakest position and at #12 it doesn't look good.


My question is would you be happy if Denver Traded our 2008 1st Round Pick and 2009 1st Round Draft Pick for St. Louis #2 Pick.(this would be OK if St Louis used the new Draft Trade Chart not the old one.).


Denver would get Glen Dorsey this year but no 1st Round Pick in 2009.


I would definetly do it. Putting Dorsey into our Defense would be Awesome.

If St Louis wanted more I would include D. Foxworth also.


Anythoughts???

Stinky Pits
04-22-2008, 05:51 PM
I don't think it's a good idea to sacrifice next years round 1 pick for him. He's a great player, but he's not so special that we can't find something else without giving up so much.

Spyder
04-22-2008, 06:09 PM
I would also see if we could get multiple 1st round picks for Foxworth from someone like New England.
They need a CB bad and Foxworth has a lot of value at this point.

Ravage!!!
04-22-2008, 06:12 PM
I would also see if we could get multiple 1st round picks for Foxworth from someone like New England.
They need a CB bad and Foxworth has a lot of value at this point.

:eek: Multible first round picks for Foxworth? :eek:

Well. we won't get a single first round pick for Foxworth. No one made an offer to get him when he was tendered with only a 3rd rounder.... he sure as heck won't get a first round pick for him, not to mention multibles.

Plus.. NE did sign a FA at CB this offseason.

broncos1997
04-22-2008, 06:15 PM
he....ck no no player, in my opinion, is worth 2 first rounders. maybe a second, but that would fall way short of the draft charts. there will be plenty of good DTs next year, maybe not dorsey, but still.

Spyder
04-22-2008, 06:37 PM
:eek: Multible first round picks for Foxworth? :eek:

Well. we won't get a single first round pick for Foxworth. No one made an offer to get him when he was tendered with only a 3rd rounder.... he sure as heck won't get a first round pick for him, not to mention multibles.

Plus.. NE did sign a FA at CB this offseason.

Sorry that you couldn't understand sarcasm..

The whole point of my post was to make fun of the fact that no one even attemped to sign him for a 3rd, but everyone around here has it in their mind that he's worth so much and can help us do so much damage in moving up the draft boards.

LarryDean
04-22-2008, 06:38 PM
no

I dont think the DT position or Dorsey has a overwhelming value enough to grant losing other picks for...

Cutler2007
04-22-2008, 06:53 PM
I still believe that we should make the very best effort we can to move down. I would prefer to drop down to 19-22 range and pick up another 2nd. Too many needs on this team both as starters and depth.

broncofansd
11-21-2008, 12:28 PM
Team needs in my opinion -

1. DT - Marcus Thomas is a good player who should only get better. D. Robertson is decent player who is playing on bad knees and it is only a matter of time before he is done.

2. Safety - Both Manuel(who can't cover) and McCree who is just average makes this position #2 in my book.

3. RunningBack - S. Young proven he can't stay healthy , same goes for Torain who was injured in college and now his Rookie year.

4. DE - I only put this sooo low because we just spent a 1st Round Pick on Jarvis Moss and we still can't generate a PASS RUSH. I just don't see Denver spending another 1st round pick on DE.

__________________________________________________ ______________

Denver's Draft April 2009.

1st Round Pick ------------------Terrance Cody DT Alabama - 6'5" 365lbs DT who will solidfy our Run Defense for years. Alternate pick if Cody not available ------------------------B.J. Raji DT Boston College. Another huge DT who can play the run.




2nd Round Pick-------------------Javon Ringer RB Michigan St. This guy knows how to find the end zone. Will immediately upgrade our RB core.



3rd Round Pick--------------------Patrick Chung Safety Oregon Very good Safety who should make a impact in year 2.


I believe that if Denver can go from a 30th Placed Defense to a top 15 Defense that with our Offense we could be anyone. I think it all starts up front and drafting Cody or Raji would elevate our team to be a much better DEFENSE!!!

getlynched47
11-21-2008, 12:34 PM
I dont like it.

Our defensive tackles are not the biggest need. They are doing their job which is to occupy blockers. If the linebackers get a lot of tackles (which they are) then the D-tackles are doing their job. They might not record fancy stats with tackles and sacks, but they are doing their job.

Our number 1 need is SAFETY! we have the worst safety corps in the entire NFL! And please dont say William Moore, I think he's so overated.

2nd is probably DE because Engelberger and Ekuban will be 33 years old

3rd is Middle Linebacker (unless Larsen proves to be the answer)

4th is Offensive Guard/Center (we're old at the position)

I predict this draft will be entirely Defensively oriented....with most of the picks being defensive players

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-21-2008, 02:32 PM
Team needs in my opinion -

1. DT - Marcus Thomas is a good player who should only get better. D. Robertson is decent player who is playing on bad knees and it is only a matter of time before he is done.

2. Safety - Both Manuel(who can't cover) and McCree who is just average makes this position #2 in my book.

3. RunningBack - S. Young proven he can't stay healthy , same goes for Torain who was injured in college and now his Rookie year.

4. DE - I only put this sooo low because we just spent a 1st Round Pick on Jarvis Moss and we still can't generate a PASS RUSH. I just don't see Denver spending another 1st round pick on DE.

__________________________________________________ ______________

Denver's Draft April 2009.

1st Round Pick ------------------Terrance Cody DT Alabama - 6'5" 365lbs DT who will solidfy our Run Defense for years. Alternate pick if Cody not available ------------------------B.J. Raji DT Boston College. Another huge DT who can play the run.




2nd Round Pick-------------------Javon Ringer RB Michigan St. This guy knows how to find the end zone. Will immediately upgrade our RB core.



3rd Round Pick--------------------Patrick Chung Safety Oregon Very good Safety who should make a impact in year 2.


I believe that if Denver can go from a 30th Placed Defense to a top 15 Defense that with our Offense we could be anyone. I think it all starts up front and drafting Cody or Raji would elevate our team to be a much better DEFENSE!!!


I like it for the most part.

1. As the dt goes, so goes the defense (gnerally speaking). If you have a tackle like Cody requiring two blockers on every play, and still making plays (see Kris Jenkins!) it makes the entire defense better. I am not okay with our tackles doing "okay". Thomas is a good tackle, but I think we need another one who is even better. Thomas would flourish if we had a tackle that required to blockers therefore allowing Thomas to see more single team blocks. The tackle position is the anchor of the defense.

2. I don't know if I would want Denver to spend a 2nd round pick on a tailback with the needs potentially at linebacker and safety. I think I would rather see a 2nd round safety and 3rd round tailback.

3. Patrick Chung is a very good football player. He is big enough to help in run support, and fast enough to help in the return game. I don't know if he is still available here though. I think he is going to move up the charts after the combine.

Denver Gators
11-21-2008, 02:43 PM
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2008/11/tuesday_reading_terrence_cody.html

Cody is staying for his senior year, sorry

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
11-21-2008, 02:54 PM
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2008/11/tuesday_reading_terrence_cody.html

Cody is staying for his senior year, sorry


Say it isn't so!!!!:sad::mad::ugh:

Max Power
11-21-2008, 05:05 PM
I dont like it.

Our defensive tackles are not the biggest need. They are doing their job which is to occupy blockers. If the linebackers get a lot of tackles (which they are) then the D-tackles are doing their job. They might not record fancy stats with tackles and sacks, but they are doing their job.

Our number 1 need is SAFETY! we have the worst safety corps in the entire NFL! And please dont say William Moore, I think he's so overated.



The thing is, the only safety besides William Moore worthy of a 1st round pick would be Taylor Mays, and he may very well stay for his senior season (like many USC players do). I used to think Moore was overrated too, but the guy really is versatile and does really well in pursuit and tackling. I now like the idea of taking him and think it could very well happen.

And before anyone mentions Myron Rolle, by most accounts he has played downright bad this season (I've read several FSU fans on another board saying this), and has generally regressed since his outstanding freshman season. He also might want to pursue his Rhodes scholarship rather than play in the NFL. For those reasons, I would be hesitant to draft Rolle on the 1st day if he even does come out.

Max Power
11-21-2008, 05:08 PM
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2008/11/tuesday_reading_terrence_cody.html

Cody is staying for his senior year, sorry

Lots of players say they are staying this time of the year, only to ultimately declare right before the deadline or so. Kevin Smith (Lions RB) said in December or around that time last year that he would be staying, but lo and behold, he declared. I'm pretty sure Vince Young said he was staying too. So it doesn't mean much, if anything. If Cody gets a 1st round grade I would bet anything that he declares. People just don't pass up that kind of $$$ a hell of a lot.

broncos SB2010
11-21-2008, 09:01 PM
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2008/11/tuesday_reading_terrence_cody.html

Cody is staying for his senior year, sorry

BJ Raji will be a better player in the NFL anyway I believe and am pulling for him to get drafted by the broncos in round 2. He is a big body who pushes guards into the backfield. That is what we are lacking on the Dline.

broncos SB2010
11-21-2008, 09:03 PM
The thing is, the only safety besides William Moore worthy of a 1st round pick would be Taylor Mays, and he may very well stay for his senior season (like many USC players do). I used to think Moore was overrated too, but the guy really is versatile and does really well in pursuit and tackling. I now like the idea of taking him and think it could very well happen.

And before anyone mentions Myron Rolle, by most accounts he has played downright bad this season (I've read several FSU fans on another board saying this), and has generally regressed since his outstanding freshman season. He also might want to pursue his Rhodes scholarship rather than play in the NFL. For those reasons, I would be hesitant to draft Rolle on the 1st day if he even does come out.

I keep saying Tyson Jackson in the first, safety in the 3rd and 4th. Michael Hamlin and Otis Wiley are my picks for safety. Bothare quality players and will start on any team that drafts them. They just don't have the hype as the big name players, especially Wiley. If we want a cover safety, he is our guy.

Broncosinindy
11-22-2008, 08:33 AM
I dont like it.

Our defensive tackles are not the biggest need. They are doing their job which is to occupy blockers. If the linebackers get a lot of tackles (which they are) then the D-tackles are doing their job. They might not record fancy stats with tackles and sacks, but they are doing their job.

Our number 1 need is SAFETY! we have the worst safety corps in the entire NFL! And please dont say William Moore, I think he's so overated.

2nd is probably DE because Engelberger and Ekuban will be 33 years old

3rd is Middle Linebacker (unless Larsen proves to be the answer)

4th is Offensive Guard/Center (we're old at the position)

I predict this draft will be entirely Defensively oriented....with most of the picks being defensive players

Please take yourself back to GD.

Becuase if you really understood our Defense you wouldnt say they just eat blocks. Because our Defense is essentially a Tampa Two. The scheme values DT's that are able to penetrate the offensive line. Basically they are asked to split the Gaurd and Center. It varies in which DT will penetrate and which DT will play the essential NT role from play to play. Last year Jim Bates wanted the space hogs. of tying up Gaurds and Centers and all the other trash up the middle to keep Lineman off LBers and DE's.

When you make generalities such as this player is overated with out explaining why it kinda makes you look like someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. Because at this point you really dont know what you are talking about when you say william moore is overated. Which leads me to tell you that William Moore if asked could essentially play 3 positions on Defense probably moore.(haha pun intended) Last year he was asked to play the center fielder role. and had a BIG yearwith 8 ints. This year his stats are not eye popping and anyone who doesnt know what they are talking about (coughyoucough) woudl claim that it was just him getting lucky. well i am here to tell you that he made a position change from this year from last. in which he is playing the SS/OLB role in that defense which has 4 DL 2 LB and 5 DB and he varies from OLB to SS and has excelled at it.

DE is a need but not a huge need. JE and EE are good vets and while JE is not a pass rush threat he is solid. EE at 33 years old leads the team in sacks. and is very versitle.they are long in the tooth but still able to get the job done. i am not really overwhelmed with the talent to play DE this year. i think we have a nice blend of vets and youth at this poisition.

Gaurd Center is a low priority. we have Kuper who is playing lights out. Weig who is playing lights out well. and will be around next year. Hamilton in IMO is the weak link on this line. but he really doesnt fit the power scheme/drop back scheme. but still has played well. i think this is a low priority and probably be solved in UDFA.


MLB is a need. If larsen can handle his own in run D i have no issue if he is only a two down player becuase we have DJ and Woodyard, Boss Bailey (when not hurt) to play 3rd down.

and way to go out on a limb to say denver will draft defensively

muse
11-22-2008, 09:47 AM
I'd say that DT and S are probably our biggest needs defensively. With that said, I think our DL is getting better. Especially against Atlanta, I noticed Thomas and Robertson doing a good job forcing Turner to cut back inside towards Woodyard/Larsen. Part of that is probably because they're used to playing against a zone block system in practice, but I think they're finally gelling as a unit - it was evident that they hadn't early on in the season (and playing with the 3-4 didn't help). Thomas is just about on track I think. Next season, we should see him getting into the backfield a bit more...it's a steep learning curve, but he's done well for himself considering all the scheme changes and his year away from football between college and the NFL. As someone above said, Robertson's knees could flare up at any time. Hopefully they won't, but it is a distinct possibility. The other guys at DT have played pretty well but they aren't that talented...Peterson's the best of the rest with Shaw and Clemons filling in nicely...but they aren't long term solutions. I'm hoping that Carlton Powell can come in and surprise us next season (and who'd bet against it considering our how well our rookies have been playing this season) but we'll have to see on that front.

Safety is probably a greater need at this point; the problem is that safeties also take a little while to develop. Lowry has disappointed me - he's looked pretty lost out there so far despite coming in with a good reputation. Part of that may be attributed to the fact that he's mostly an SS-type rather than FS (it seems that we're using our safties a little more traditionally now that Lynch has gone) but even so, he's not lived up to his billing. We'll see what direction we're going in if he's resigned at the end of the season I guess. Manuel is obviously a stopgap and whilst he plays with a lot of effort, he's been caught out quite frequently (and it's usually pretty visible which doesn't help his cause). We need to draft intelligently; we also need some luck and pray that one of our young guys (Barrett, Rodgers or Lowry) can step up to the plate.

colinski
11-27-2008, 01:21 PM
I dont like it.

Our defensive tackles are not the biggest need. They are doing their job which is to occupy blockers. If the linebackers get a lot of tackles (which they are) then the D-tackles are doing their job. They might not record fancy stats with tackles and sacks, but they are doing their job.

Our number 1 need is SAFETY! we have the worst safety corps in the entire NFL! And please dont say William Moore, I think he's so overated.

2nd is probably DE because Engelberger and Ekuban will be 33 years old

3rd is Middle Linebacker (unless Larsen proves to be the answer)

4th is Offensive Guard/Center (we're old at the position)

I predict this draft will be entirely Defensively oriented....with most of the picks being defensive players

I'm curious who you would have us pick at #1 if not Moore. It's possible that we could have Safety as our #1 priority but still choose on a BPA basis for the 1st pick, too, but how would you have us proceed?

Mays is probably over-hyped because of his metrics. Rolle is a little over-hyped, too, and may drift down into the top of the 2nd. His dedication is a draft factor now that he's won the Rhodes scholarship. I've been on the Rolle bandwagon partly because I like his smarts but I have to admit he's questionable now. It also looks like we'll be drafting higher (both looked better in the low 20s), so I'm updating to reflect newer projected draft positions.

DE is fairly well stocked but with weakside help (mostly) so it's hard to see us picking up strongside help (read: difference maker early). Would you want an Orakpo? Or -- here's a flyer on my part -- how about Everette Brown? Anyone else?

MLB is another good idea, but there's been disagreement on the issue. Some people don't like Mau and Lau, and it's questionable whether they will be available. Would you like Spikes, and, if so, how high would you go? I can think of some alternatives, too, in case we go another route w/ our 1st pick.

I like the OG/C idea (and we see eye to eye on most everything else, too, for the most part). Who are thinking of here, though? I've advocated for Unger or Meredith, or any other OL of their type, if they become high value picks after the 1st. Both are zone blockers and can play inside, thus providing another potential starter AND depth at other OL positions.

Finally, an alternative to an interior OL would seem to be a RB. I wouldn't be surprised if they deviate from the defensive picks and pick a RB in, say....., the 3rd. I've mentioned Greene and Jennings but I'm not locked on anyone, it's just that one-cut backs would make more sense in our running scheme. I've accepted the logic that we need to draft a little better (read: higher) RB if we want our running game to revive. And I expect we do want that, very much.

broncofansd
11-27-2008, 02:41 PM
Denver Broncos currently have the 15th Pick in the draft based on their record. I believe that we have a Excellent Offense that will only get better with JAY CUTLER's Maturation. I think the 2009 NFL DRAFT and OFFSEASON should go like this.


Offseason FA Signing------------

Albert Haynesworth-----DT---------probably going to cost $85 million for 5 years but will instantly upgrade our DEFENSE from 29th in the NFL to 15th just by adding him.

__________________________________________________ _______________
http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

2009 NFL DRAFT Using Drafttek.com's predicted draft


1st Round Pick------------ SAFETY USC TAYLOR MAYS Exactly the player that Denver needs. USC has given up 1 pass over 20 yards all year long. Reminds me of Sean Taylor(RIP).



2nd Round Pick-------------DE LSU TYSON JACKSON A big DE to take over for Engelberger. This guy is huge 6'5 292lbs who is GREAT against the run and decent against the pass.


3rd Round Pick-------------RB IOWA SHONN GREEN 5'11" 230lbs RB who is a great addition to our RB core.


4th Round Pick-------------WR WEST VIRGINIA PAT WHITE 6'2" 189lbs Excellent athlete who will take over for Stokley eventually.


With the Addition of HAYNESWORTH/MAYS/JACKSON our DEFENSE will improve Dramatically!!!! Along with our OFFENSE just getting better every year all we need is a top 10-15 Defense to be a Superbowl Team.

housemouse
11-27-2008, 02:58 PM
I'd choose Moore over Mays anyday.

And I bet Jackson will be off the board before that.

AND... Shonn Greene is my fave rb in the draft, But he's a 1st-2nd round pick.

AND.... Pat White isn't 6'2. He's almost 6'1. And he too will be off the board by then,

broncofansd
11-27-2008, 03:12 PM
I think Mays is going to be a better NFL Player. At 6'3" 232lbs is rumored to be one of the fastest players on USC. He is getting better and better each year.

William Moore is also very good but had a much better year last year.

If I didn't select Mays I would select ILB ____________ REY MAULAGA!!!! This guy reminds me of Al Wilson.

BroncosTX77
11-27-2008, 03:22 PM
With Mays many scouts see him as a workout warrior on a team full of standouts. As for Moore it is more of a standout on a porous defense.

broncofansd
11-27-2008, 03:55 PM
Dude that is even CLOSE. MOORE has been subpar this year!!!!


Mays is a BIG HITTING SAFETY who has produced. Have you watched any USC games????

housemouse
11-27-2008, 03:59 PM
Dude that is even CLOSE. MOORE has been subpar this year!!!!

Moore is playing a different role this year...his stats reflect that.



Mays is a BIG HITTING SAFETY who has produced.
So has Moore.




Mays reminds me of Barrett. Very athletic..but not instinctive.

broncos SB2010
11-27-2008, 04:03 PM
Denver Broncos currently have the 15th Pick in the draft based on their record. I believe that we have a Excellent Offense that will only get better with JAY CUTLER's Maturation. I think the 2009 NFL DRAFT and OFFSEASON should go like this.


Offseason FA Signing------------

Albert Haynesworth-----DT---------probably going to cost $85 million for 5 years but will instantly upgrade our DEFENSE from 29th in the NFL to 15th just by adding him.

__________________________________________________ _______________
http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

2009 NFL DRAFT Using Drafttek.com's predicted draft


1st Round Pick------------ SAFETY USC TAYLOR MAYS Exactly the player that Denver needs. USC has given up 1 pass over 20 yards all year long. Reminds me of Sean Taylor(RIP).



2nd Round Pick-------------DE LSU TYSON JACKSON A big DE to take over for Engelberger. This guy is huge 6'5 292lbs who is GREAT against the run and decent against the pass.


3rd Round Pick-------------RB IOWA SHONN GREEN 5'11" 230lbs RB who is a great addition to our RB core.


4th Round Pick-------------WR WEST VIRGINIA PAT WHITE 6'2" 189lbs Excellent athlete who will take over for Stokley eventually.


With the Addition of HAYNESWORTH/MAYS/JACKSON our DEFENSE will improve Dramatically!!!! Along with our OFFENSE just getting better every year all we need is a top 10-15 Defense to be a Superbowl Team.

I also want Tyson jackson on the broncos, I hope he is available when we pick.

MindField
11-27-2008, 04:09 PM
Your picks are about a Round Off.

Tyson Jackson will go late in Rd 1, Shonn Greene will be a solid second rounder, etc.

I think at fifteen, the pick is either Mays, Moore, Spikes or Knowshon Moreno.

Don't forget the Broncos ties to USC....we drafted Dennis Smith back in the day in around the same area of the first round.

I would love either player, but I think Taylor Mays is going to be the better Pro than Moore. Dude is an incredible athlete.

Plus if you draft him, and then take Kevin Ellison with say a fourth rounder, you could plug in a stating Safety combo;-)

colinski
11-27-2008, 05:27 PM
Denver Broncos currently have the 15th Pick in the draft based on their record. I believe that we have a Excellent Offense that will only get better with JAY CUTLER's Maturation. I think the 2009 NFL DRAFT and OFFSEASON should go like this.


Offseason FA Signing------------

Albert Haynesworth-----DT---------probably going to cost $85 million for 5 years but will instantly upgrade our DEFENSE from 29th in the NFL to 15th just by adding him.

__________________________________________________ _______________
http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

2009 NFL DRAFT Using Drafttek.com's predicted draft


1st Round Pick------------ SAFETY USC TAYLOR MAYS Exactly the player that Denver needs. USC has given up 1 pass over 20 yards all year long. Reminds me of Sean Taylor(RIP).



2nd Round Pick-------------DE LSU TYSON JACKSON A big DE to take over for Engelberger. This guy is huge 6'5 292lbs who is GREAT against the run and decent against the pass.


3rd Round Pick-------------RB IOWA SHONN GREEN 5'11" 230lbs RB who is a great addition to our RB core.


4th Round Pick-------------WR WEST VIRGINIA PAT WHITE 6'2" 189lbs Excellent athlete who will take over for Stokley eventually.


With the Addition of HAYNESWORTH/MAYS/JACKSON our DEFENSE will improve Dramatically!!!! Along with our OFFENSE just getting better every year all we need is a top 10-15 Defense to be a Superbowl Team.

I'm going back to twitch my settings, don't know about the Loadholt pick. I like yours better.

GridironChamp
11-27-2008, 06:01 PM
Dude that is even CLOSE. MOORE has been subpar this year!!!!


Mays is a BIG HITTING SAFETY who has produced. Have you watched any USC games????

You are 100% incorrect in your assesment of Moore. You cant look at his INT's,
watch him play and check the tackles. He is playing SS/SLB. He is up in the box
almost all the time, where as Mays is playing FS (centerfield) and is and has
always been subpar on the field. Your just like everyone else and in love with
his hype that he not earned

Mays is not a big hitting saftey at all, Moore is a 10x bigger hitter.

IMO, if you want a FS take Mays if you want a SS take Moore. I think Moore
will be better and has a better chance of being better, but Mays upside is a
bit higher than Moore's.

colinski
11-27-2008, 06:07 PM
It's a great tool and a somewhat bad Big Board. Would you rank Loadholt at #109 and Peria Jerry at #110? How about Ian Johnson at #108 while Patrick Chung is at #111, or Curtis Taylor at #112, or Trevard Lindley at #113?

I reallize there are a lot of OLs, and I played with the values, too, to reflect my greater emphasis on S, DT & ILB (somewhat), but the original Loadholt pick was a major reach by it's record. I locked Loadholt out and got Antonio Coleman (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1698), who's a high value pick -- ***!! Loadholt is fairly well regarded but I'd much prefer a high value DE. I was wondering before I started how I could enter "no big fat OLs."

broncofansd
11-27-2008, 06:11 PM
My 1st Round Picks

All depends if we get Haynesworth.

1. Taylor Mays Safety USC Player most resembles - Sean Taylor

2. Rey Maualuga ILB USC Player most resembles - Al Wilson

3. William Moore Safety Misso Player most resembles - Gibril Wilson

4. Brian Orakpo DE Texas Player most resembles - Kyle Van Denbosch(not spelled right)

__________________________________________________ _____________

If we don't get Haynesworth(more likely scenario)


1. DT Alabama Terrance Cody 6'5" 365lbs DT who will clog the middle and help our Defense for years to come.


2. DT Boston College BJ Raji 6'2" 325lbs DT who is very mobile and is a force inside.


2nd Round Pick---------------Safety Oregon Patrick Chung


__________________________________________________ ____________


My hopes are that we sign ALBERT HAYNESWORTH he will immediately make everyone on the DEFENSE Better.

GridironChamp
11-27-2008, 06:25 PM
My 1st Round Picks

All depends if we get Haynesworth.

1. Taylor Mays Safety USC Player most resembles - Sean Taylor

2. Rey Maualuga ILB USC Player most resembles - Al Wilson

3. William Moore Safety Misso Player most resembles - Gibril Wilson

4. Brian Orakpo DE Texas Player most resembles - Kyle Van Denbosch(not spelled right)


I think those are some very poor player comparisons...

Mays is nothing like Taylor, at all. Not at all, Taylor was a SS Mays is a centerfield.

Maualuga doesn't read plays that well, Wilson did. Maualuga is playing based
off of pure instinct... more Tatupu like.

Moore, Wilson? Worst comparison ever? Moore is alot closer to Rodney Harrison.

Orakpo actually reminds me alot of Mario Williams, good speed and freakish
strength.

colinski
11-27-2008, 06:33 PM
It's a great tool and a somewhat bad Big Board. Would you rank Loadholt at #109 and Peria Jerry at #110? How about Ian Johnson at #108 while Patrick Chung is at #111, or Curtis Taylor at #112, or Trevard Lindley at #113?

I reallize there are a lot of OLs, and I played with the values, too, to reflect my greater emphasis on S, DT & ILB (somewhat), but the original Loadholt pick was a major reach by it's record. I locked Loadholt out and got Antonio Coleman (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1698), who's a high value pick -- ***!! Loadholt is fairly well regarded but I'd much prefer a high value DE. I was wondering before I started how I could enter "no big fat OLs."

Just a little follow up on my own post. I see that the simulation has Peria Jerry going to Indianapolis at #27 despite ranking out of the top 100, so supply and demand does warp things -- and we knew that, it's just that the Big Board overall rankings usually already have the demand for DTs, etc., embedded. Why say someone is out of the top 100 but they'll go in the 1st round? It's an apples and oranges comparison anyways, but I'm a little more reassured about what DraftTek is doing since they've reached the right conclusions -- albeit though strange means.

housemouse
11-27-2008, 06:55 PM
You are 100% incorrect in your assesment of Moore. You cant look at his INT's,
watch him play and check the tackles. He is playing SS/SLB. He is up in the box
almost all the time, where as Mays is playing FS (centerfield) and is and has
always been subpar on the field. Your just like everyone else and in love with
his hype that he not earned

Mays is not a big hitting saftey at all, Moore is a 10x bigger hitter.

IMO, if you want a FS take Mays if you want a SS take Moore. I think Moore
will be better and has a better chance of being better, but Mays upside is a
bit higher than Moore's.
YOU are 100% correct my friend. If Moore repeated his season last year, i'd see him going too high for us. But now him doing what Lynch did for us last year, will cause him to drop a tad to a position for us to get him.




I think those are some very poor player comparisons...

Mays is nothing like Taylor, at all. Not at all, Taylor was a SS Mays is a centerfield.

Maualuga doesn't read plays that well, Wilson did. Maualuga is playing based
off of pure instinct... more Tatupu like.

Moore, Wilson? Worst comparison ever? Moore is alot closer to Rodney Harrison.

Orakpo actually reminds me alot of Mario Williams, good speed and freakish
strength.

Spikes reminds me more of Wilson than Maualuga does.

And I agree with you on Orakpo, except for the weight differential.

broncofansd
12-02-2008, 09:03 AM
Team needs going into the 2009 Season

1st ------ DT ------- Everything starts up front. I don't care how good your LBs or Safetys are if the D-line SUCKS ie see NY GIANTS


2nd ------ Safety ---- McCree and Manuel both aren't very good. A upgrade at Safety is necessary


3rd ------ RB ------ Torrain has history of getting hurt and RB is our only glaring hole on OFFENSE


4th ------ DE ------ Engelberger/Dumervill give 110% effort but just aren't great against the run and only OK in pass rushing.


5th ------ LB ------ Boss Bailey(looks average and always hurt) Webster is OK but not in the same hemisphere as AL WILSON

__________________________________________________ _____________

Offseason Moves!!!! Denver is going to have alot of money this OFFSEASON. I hope that they seriously consider signing FA ALBERT HAYNESWORTH.

Albert Hanyesworth ------ 5 years $89 million


http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

Current pick around 18th pick in the NFL Draft.


1st Round Pick------------------------William Moore 6'1" 226lbs Safety Missouri Rated #1 FS by NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com Has 11 Career INT's.


2nd Round Pick------------------------Shonn Greene 5'11" 235lbs RB Iowa This guy has rushed for 100 yards every game this year. Rated #3 RB by NFLDRAFT SCOUT.com


3rd Round Pick-------------------------Clay Mathews 6'4" 240lbs LB USC 7th Ranked OLB in the Draft.

4th Round Pick-------------------------Jordan Shipley 6'0" 198lbs WR Texas Possible slot WR to replace Stokley when he leaves.


__________________________________________________ ______________

Denver Broncos Draft without Albert Haynesworth.



1st Round Pick----------------------------BJ Raji 6'1" 325lbs DT Boston College One of the best all around DT's in college Has 7 SACKS from the DT position and has a great motor


2nd Round Pick---------------------------Shonn Greene 5'11" 235lbs The only GLARING NEED ON OFFENSE.


3rd Round Pick----------------------------Rashaad Johnson 6'0" 190lbs FS Alabama 5 INT's and is excellent FS in the SEC.

4th Round Pick----------------------------Jordan Shipley WR Texas.


__________________________________________________ ______________

I personally believe that if we sign HANYESWORTH that the DENVER BRONCO Defense will immediatley become a top 15 Defense. Any thoughts???

Cutler2007
12-02-2008, 09:40 AM
We have a full stable of RBs: Hillis, Torain, Young, Alridge, and Pittman....so unless you can guarantee me that drafted RB will stay healthy (Mendenhall and Stewart couldn't play all year), I would rather spend the top three picks on value than add another RB to the overcrowded position we will have in camp next year. If we get a shot at an Adrian Petersen...then OK, but outside of a franchise back I would rather get a player that will actually upgrade us.

Fat Albert would be a tremendous signing, if that happens, then get S Moore and OLB Curry even if it means trading away 2010 picks. this team is on the verge of being a top teir team and three players like that on D would bury the rest of the AFC west in our dust (oh we kind of did that already).

tsiguy96
12-02-2008, 10:37 AM
our "glaring hole on offense" just rushed for 129 yards on the third best rush d in the league. this is a strength, not a weakness.

Max Power
12-02-2008, 11:04 AM
Fine draft, but did you have to put it all in bold?

SmokeBassett
12-02-2008, 12:02 PM
this team is on the verge of being a top teir team and three players like that on D would bury the rest of the AFC west in our dust (oh we kind of did that already).

We didn't really bury them in our dust, we just barely managed to climb out of the hole the entire AFC West is in.

It looks to me like a lot of the backups are better than the starters, and that the simpler defensive system beat out the hair-brained scheming of the DCs and Shanahan.

I hope the Broncos keep the backups and the simpler defense. Woodyard and Paymah played particularly well.

I think next year they will play Woodyard and switch DJ to one of the other linebacker positions. They'll definitely draft a safety and a DT. Since Shanahan likes Manuel, I see them going after a FS, Rashad Johnson from Alabama. I would like them to go after Raji, but I'm afraid they'll go for someone smaller and faster. If Boss Bailey is not able to continue, they might take an OLB like Curry in the first round. I think they'll take a RB in the 3rd, either Shonn Greene or Javon Ringer if they're still available.

broncofansd
12-02-2008, 12:13 PM
Let me 1st say that I love Peyton Hillis. I thought drafting him and Josh Barrett in the 7th round was BRILLANT!

I think that Hillis looked awesome last week against the Jets but in my mind I would much rather him become DALLAS CLARK II. I remember listening to Peyton Manning after the SuperBowl and he said that if a LB lined up against Clark that they couldn't cover him. If they put a CB on him they would run the ball.

I have also read that Hillis "has the best hands on the team" and if that is the case using him full time at RB is a waste.

As far as Selvin Young and Ryan Torrain both have yet to prove they can stay healthy. I had a friend in High School who was a Stud Athlete but always got hurt. I think that these 2 need to prove they can stay healthy.

DiegoBRONCOFAN
12-02-2008, 12:13 PM
I like the approach on both drafts! :salute!:

Momentum
12-02-2008, 01:23 PM
our "glaring hole on offense" just rushed for 129 yards on the third best rush d in the league. this is a strength, not a weakness.

Hillis is Reuben Droughns. It is a GLARING hole.

Moving on...

I dont like James Davis because he is slow, but he or Javon Ringer combined with Selvin should be a good combo.

GridironChamp
12-02-2008, 01:59 PM
Hillis is Reuben Droughns. It is a GLARING hole.

Moving on...

I dont like James Davis because he is slow, but he or Javon Ringer combined with Selvin should be a good combo.

Actually for his size Davis has a very good forty time... now I haven't watched
alot of Clemson this year so he could look slow on the field.

Hoserman117
12-02-2008, 03:12 PM
I really hope that draft board that you posted for that website is what really happens. We would have a shot at Wells, Moreno, Ray M. and Brandon Spikes!!

JaysusCutler
12-02-2008, 03:18 PM
Hillis is Reuben Droughns. It is a GLARING hole.

Moving on...

I dont like James Davis because he is slow, but he or Javon Ringer combined with Selvin should be a good combo.

Hillis is in no way Reuben Droughns. Peyton is a great power back and if Selvin can stay healthy for a 3rd down back, RB is set. We need defense way more than an early round runningback. I love Shonn Greene and James Davis, but we just can't afford to waste a pick on them when we have huge holes on defense.

broncos SB2010
12-02-2008, 07:28 PM
We didn't really bury them in our dust, we just barely managed to climb out of the hole the entire AFC West is in.

It looks to me like a lot of the backups are better than the starters, and that the simpler defensive system beat out the hair-brained scheming of the DCs and Shanahan.

I hope the Broncos keep the backups and the simpler defense. Woodyard and Paymah played particularly well.

I think next year they will play Woodyard and switch DJ to one of the other linebacker positions. They'll definitely draft a safety and a DT. Since Shanahan likes Manuel, I see them going after a FS, Rashad Johnson from Alabama. I would like them to go after Raji, but I'm afraid they'll go for someone smaller and faster. If Boss Bailey is not able to continue, they might take an OLB like Curry in the first round. I think they'll take a RB in the 3rd, either Shonn Greene or Javon Ringer if they're still available.

I don't think they will go smaller and faster, that is what we have now and they can't get any pressure on the 320 pound Olinemen they go against. They have been moving forward with bigger lineman with signings like Thomas, Robertson, Clady etc...I think they will pick up bigger stouter linemen. I really hope they take Raji but I think the broncos will pick a safety with the first pick but you never know with our position in the draft. We may drop down to the mid 20's and the best Safeties and MLB are gone then they may take Raji. If not there are a couple other DT I would take like Dorell Scott, slightly smaller 6-4 315 compared to raji's 6-1 325. He is also very strong, maybe stronger than Ragi. Scott is probably a 3 or 4th round pick and I would happy to have eith of them.

getlynched47
12-02-2008, 07:30 PM
:ugh: :sick: William Moore sucks.........Taylor Mays is the way to go...and we sign Terrell Suggs or Albert Haynesworth this offseason :salute!:

Broncosinindy
12-03-2008, 07:57 AM
Team needs going into the 2009 Season

1st ------ DT ------- Everything starts up front. I don't care how good your LBs or Safetys are if the D-line SUCKS ie see NY GIANTS


2nd ------ Safety ---- McCree and Manuel both aren't very good. A upgrade at Safety is necessary


3rd ------ RB ------ Torrain has history of getting hurt and RB is our only glaring hole on OFFENSE


4th ------ DE ------ Engelberger/Dumervill give 110% effort but just aren't great against the run and only OK in pass rushing.


5th ------ LB ------ Boss Bailey(looks average and always hurt) Webster is OK but not in the same hemisphere as AL WILSON

__________________________________________________ _____________

Offseason Moves!!!! Denver is going to have alot of money this OFFSEASON. I hope that they seriously consider signing FA ALBERT HAYNESWORTH.

Albert Hanyesworth ------ 5 years $89 million


http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

Current pick around 18th pick in the NFL Draft.


1st Round Pick------------------------William Moore 6'1" 226lbs Safety Missouri Rated #1 FS by NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com Has 11 Career INT's.


2nd Round Pick------------------------Shonn Greene 5'11" 235lbs RB Iowa This guy has rushed for 100 yards every game this year. Rated #3 RB by NFLDRAFT SCOUT.com


3rd Round Pick-------------------------Clay Mathews 6'4" 240lbs LB USC 7th Ranked OLB in the Draft.

4th Round Pick-------------------------Jordan Shipley 6'0" 198lbs WR Texas Possible slot WR to replace Stokley when he leaves.


__________________________________________________ ______________

Denver Broncos Draft without Albert Haynesworth.



1st Round Pick----------------------------BJ Raji 6'1" 325lbs DT Boston College One of the best all around DT's in college Has 7 SACKS from the DT position and has a great motor


2nd Round Pick---------------------------Shonn Greene 5'11" 235lbs The only GLARING NEED ON OFFENSE.


3rd Round Pick----------------------------Rashaad Johnson 6'0" 190lbs FS Alabama 5 INT's and is excellent FS in the SEC.

4th Round Pick----------------------------Jordan Shipley WR Texas.


__________________________________________________ ______________

I personally believe that if we sign HANYESWORTH that the DENVER BRONCO Defense will immediatley become a top 15 Defense. Any thoughts???
i like every single pick edxpcept the matthews pick... If he can be as half as good as his dad or uncle though look out

Broncosinindy
12-03-2008, 08:00 AM
Actually for his size Davis has a very good forty time... now I haven't watched
alot of Clemson this year so he could look slow on the field.

I dont get the hype surrouneding davis.. he looked alright last year. but this year man. he just doesnt wwow me.

elevation INC
12-03-2008, 08:49 AM
I dont get the hype surrouneding davis.. he looked alright last year. but this year man. he just doesnt wwow me.

that could be because clemsons offensive line and overall offensive capabilities and playcalling were horrendous.....


the guy has the size and speed to dominate and will be just like a matt forte, kevin smith type quality player. both are having solid years, 1 is just stuck with the lions....lol

broncofansd
12-05-2008, 12:25 PM
Defense , Defense , Defense. DT , Safety , LB .


My dream Free Agent Signing.

ALBERT HAYNESWORTH ------ 5 years $85 Million. Immediately comes in and makes our Defense a top 10-15 team.

1st Round Pick--------------- Taylor Mays or William Moore.

2nd Round Pick-------------- Shonn Greene RB IOWA

3rd Round Pick-------------- Clay Mathews LB USC

__________________________________________________ ______________

If we don't sign Haynesworth.


1st Round Pick---------------- Rey Mauluga ILB USC

2nd Round Pick--------------- Patrick Chung Safety Oregon

3rd Round Pick--------------- Ron Brace DT Boston College.



Any thoughts

Nick
12-05-2008, 12:34 PM
I really would not mind Taylor Mays, William Moore (Specialy after looking at some videos of his games), or Rey Mauluga. None of them will drop to us though.

I can see Mays coming out early. Mauluga and Cush stayed because they promised eachother through mid season last year.

I say none of them drop out of top 20.

Bowie Man
12-05-2008, 12:39 PM
We almost for sure won't get Haynesworth; but if we did, we most likely couldn't get Mays or Moore. Maualuga will be gone before we draft. Love the Shonn Greene pick, would rather have Peagues over Chung.

jumpslash
12-05-2008, 04:38 PM
I think i'd rather have Laurinaitis over Maualuga i think. I think Big Rey can sometimes play too emotionally which puts him out of position. Both guys can lay the wood. But I think Laurinaitis will make a better field general. What do you think?

broncofansd
12-09-2008, 09:37 AM
At 8-5 the Denver Broncos currently have the 18th draft pick in the NFL Draft.

I believe that our #1 priority is DEFENSE!!!! DT , DE , S , RB being top priorities.

I actually think we are pretty set at LB. DJ / Woodyard / Winborn look like a excellent LB in my mind.

I also believe in drafting "The Best Player Available" when drafting.

My dream FA signing -----------------------------Albert Haynesworth----5 years $85 million. Worth every penny. Would immediately upgrade Denver's DLine. Would give Denver a NASTY Attitude!!!

__________________________________________________ ______________

http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

1st Round Pick-----------------------------------Trade---Denver trades it's 1st(18th) to Philly(Carolina) for it's 29th and 2nd Round pick and 5th Round Pick.


With the 29th Pick in the NFL Draft----------------Tyson Jackson------DE LSU 6'4" 294lbs. A DE who will eventually replace John Engelberger at DE and can slide in to DT on Passing Downs. Instant Upgrade at DE.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/players.php?genpos=DE&draftyear=2009&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC


2nd Round Pick(Philly)----------------------------Shonn Greene------RB---Iowa 5'11" 235lbs Excellent RB who might go higher than this but would be a GREAT PICK for Denver.http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/players.php?genpos=DE&draftyear=2009&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC

2nd Round Pick-----------------------------------Rashard Johnson----FS----Alabama--6'0" 190lbs A playmaker at Free Safety. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56465

3rd Round Pick-----------------------------------Pat White-----------WR----6'0" 190lbs West Virginia. Should become a excellent WR.


With Albert Hanyesworth , Tyson Jackson , Shonn Greene , Rashard Johnson , and Pat White I believe that Denver would be UNSTOPPABLE.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _____________________________________________

NFL DRAFT without Haynesworth.


1st Round Pick-----------------------------------BJ Raji--------DT------Boston College 6'2" 325lbs http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=9156,http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index


2nd Round Pick-----------------------------------Shonn Greene--RB---Iowa---5'11" 235lbs This guy is a monster at RB. Rushed for 100yards every game in 2008.

3rd Round Pick-----------------------------------Rashard Johnson---FS---Alabama

4th Round Pick-----------------------------------Jordan Shipley-----WR---Texas


Any thoughts????

15thebeast
12-09-2008, 09:50 AM
I love the Shonn Greene pick he is a big back who i think will run alot better then a 4.54 that he is listed at i reckon he could easliy do a 4.46 or lower.

Without Hayensworth i like the Raji pick he could easliy become that run stopper and can help with abit of pass rush.

I dont like Tyson Jackson tho he just is not worth a first rounder

Big Al 56
12-10-2008, 12:27 AM
At 8-5 the Denver Broncos currently have the 18th draft pick in the NFL Draft.

I believe that our #1 priority is DEFENSE!!!! DT , DE , S , RB being top priorities.

I actually think we are pretty set at LB. DJ / Woodyard / Winborn look like a excellent LB in my mind.

I also believe in drafting "The Best Player Available" when drafting.

My dream FA signing -----------------------------Albert Haynesworth----5 years $85 million. Worth every penny. Would immediately upgrade Denver's DLine. Would give Denver a NASTY Attitude!!!

__________________________________________________ ______________

http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

1st Round Pick-----------------------------------Trade---Denver trades it's 1st(18th) to Philly(Carolina) for it's 29th and 2nd Round pick and 5th Round Pick.


With the 29th Pick in the NFL Draft----------------Tyson Jackson------DE LSU 6'4" 294lbs. A DE who will eventually replace John Engelberger at DE and can slide in to DT on Passing Downs. Instant Upgrade at DE.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/players.php?genpos=DE&draftyear=2009&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC


2nd Round Pick(Philly)----------------------------Shonn Greene------RB---Iowa 5'11" 235lbs Excellent RB who might go higher than this but would be a GREAT PICK for Denver.http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/players.php?genpos=DE&draftyear=2009&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC

2nd Round Pick-----------------------------------Rashard Johnson----FS----Alabama--6'0" 190lbs A playmaker at Free Safety. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56465

3rd Round Pick-----------------------------------Pat White-----------WR----6'0" 190lbs West Virginia. Should become a excellent WR.


With Albert Hanyesworth , Tyson Jackson , Shonn Greene , Rashard Johnson , and Pat White I believe that Denver would be UNSTOPPABLE.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _____________________________________________

NFL DRAFT without Haynesworth.


1st Round Pick-----------------------------------BJ Raji--------DT------Boston College 6'2" 325lbs http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=9156,http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index


2nd Round Pick-----------------------------------Shonn Greene--RB---Iowa---5'11" 235lbs This guy is a monster at RB. Rushed for 100yards every game in 2008.

3rd Round Pick-----------------------------------Rashard Johnson---FS---Alabama

4th Round Pick-----------------------------------Jordan Shipley-----WR---Texas


Any thoughts????



I would like to get a CB to replace inconsistent Dre Bly. I do agree we need a Safety and D Line. Also I would like to draft in the middle rounds a backup QB who could be better than Patrick Ramsey. Also I would like to see next year our starting LB corp of DJ, Webster, and Woodyard. I think Winborn is more of a backup. That is if we don't draft a Laurinatis or Aaron Curry. I also would like to see Denver sign Peppers if hes not franchised it has been reported that Denver is interested and tried to trade for him before this season. Give me some ideas on what you think Denver needs to address in the offseason.

hardcorebronco
12-10-2008, 10:26 AM
8-5 doesn't mean anything, if we win our division (very likely) then we are automatically locked for #22 right? Or something around there, and that's assuming we get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. So we really won't be ending up with the #18th pick after all. ;):salute!:

Maharishineo
12-10-2008, 11:20 AM
8-5 doesn't mean anything, if we win our division (very likely) then we are automatically locked for #22 right? Or something around there, and that's assuming we get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. So we really won't be ending up with the #18th pick after all. ;):salute!:

Actually all spots but No. 31 and 32 are determined by record alone. The two teams that make the Super Bowl pick last. Making the playoffs plays no factor on draft order.

No. 18 is possible even if we win the division and make the playoffs.

colinski
12-10-2008, 02:05 PM
Actually all spots but No. 31 and 32 are determined by record alone. The two teams that make the Super Bowl pick last. Making the playoffs plays no factor on draft order.

No. 18 is possible even if we win the division and make the playoffs.

The 12 playoff teams draft by inverse order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft)of their record+Sos. Of the losers in the first group of playoff teams (8 teams play, 2 div. winners V. 2 wildcards in each conference --SEE BRACKET (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace/bracket))

Currently, the Broncos would draft 1st -- (#21) of these 8, because of record and SoS. And I'm not necessarily assuming the Broncos would lose. A win in the 1st playoff games would move Denver to #25, and going all the way would have Denver at #32. I'm ignoring intermediate results, like winning 2 games, etc., but you can figure it out.

The Broncos "Magic Number" is ONE; as in one win/tie by us or one loss/tie by San Diego puts us in the playoffs.

Considering the likelihood that we'll be drafting at #21+, draft projections should be of players who would realistically fall around that slot. And I think it's a good opportunity to discuss different players that were previously unconsidered because we were projecting at a lower draft position.

For instance, I had some doubts about Tyson Jackson but our later draft position changes the draft math. Some of the DTs look better now, too. I'm just throwing out ideas, the point is that the landscape looks different at #21+ than at #15.

15thebeast
12-10-2008, 02:14 PM
Duke Robinson and Alex Mack could be definant possiblities then if we draft 21#+

GridironChamp
12-10-2008, 02:42 PM
The 12 playoff teams draft by inverse order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft)of their record+Sos. Of the losers in the first group of playoff teams (8 teams play, 2 div. winners V. 2 wildcards in each conference --SEE BRACKET (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace/bracket))



That is incorrect.


the last selection, and the losers the second to last selection.[2]
Remaining teams are sorted by regular season record, with worse records picking first, regardless of playoff status; teams that make the playoffs can pick before teams that do not
That is from your wikipedia link

The Bronco's, right now, have the 18th pick, and they can have the 18th pick
with or without making the playoffs.

colinski
12-10-2008, 03:01 PM
Duke Robinson and Alex Mack could be definant possiblities then if we draft 21#+

I recently stated that Mack was a possibility but this (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/posrptol.htm) gave me a reason to doubt the wisdom of that choice.

One negative report doesn't rule out the choice, and opinions often differ, but I'm not going to endorse the choice until the question of Mack's "tight hips" is resolved (coaching should easily solve the problem). He has everything else so I'm simply viewing him as a slightly later pick for now.

Re: Duke. I really, really don't like the idea of putting a Man Blocker in a Zone Block scheme. I'm very open to the idea of an interior OL but I think suggested choices for the OL should be ZB appropriate. The reason many of the Centers have been suggested is because they fit in a ZB scheme, it's not because we're going to leave them there -- necessarily. I, and others, are definitely looking for help at OG. I usually lump OG and OC together as interior OL, since a big part of the idea is find players who can cover both. Roster math makes it highly desirable to cover the OL with as few as OLs as possible.

Maharishineo
12-10-2008, 03:13 PM
The 12 playoff teams draft by inverse order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft)of their record+Sos. Of the losers in the first group of playoff teams (8 teams play, 2 div. winners V. 2 wildcards in each conference --SEE BRACKET (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace/bracket))

Currently, the Broncos would draft 1st -- (#21) of these 8, because of record and SoS. And I'm not necessarily assuming the Broncos would lose. A win in the 1st playoff games would move Denver to #25, and going all the way would have Denver at #32. I'm ignoring intermediate results, like winning 2 games, etc., but you can figure it out.

The Broncos "Magic Number" is ONE; as in one win/tie by us or one loss/tie by San Diego puts us in the playoffs.

Considering the likelihood that we'll be drafting at #21+, draft projections should be of players who would realistically fall around that slot. And I think it's a good opportunity to discuss different players that were previously unconsidered because we were projecting at a lower draft position.

For instance, I had some doubts about Tyson Jackson but our later draft position changes the draft math. Some of the DTs look better now, too. I'm just throwing out ideas, the point is that the landscape looks different at #21+ than at #15.

Source? I didn't offer one up, either. But...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2007&round=round1

Take a look back at the 2007 Draft, when the Chiefs selected Dwayne Bowe with the 23rd overall pick. That was after the year that they went 10-6, but didn't make the playoffs. Now if the final spots are reserved for playoff teams, and they didn't trade to get there--how did they pick at 23? This is probably why GridironChamp was so quick to correct you, as it's something he's sure to know all too well. Sorry bud.

To reiterate: unless you get to the Super Bowl, the playoffs play no factor in your draft positioning; only your record does.

Broncosinindy
12-10-2008, 03:23 PM
i dont mind the trade down. and adding more picks even if iti s another fifth.

i do not want any part of pat white either.

colinski
12-10-2008, 03:35 PM
That is incorrect.


That is from your wikipedia link

The Bronco's, right now, have the 18th pick, and they can have the 18th pick
with or without making the playoffs.

My mistake, I guess it pays to read the links I post thoroughly.

That's a positive though, so I'm happy to be wrong. #32 & #31 go to SB winner&loser and the rest according to record, with the caveat that a playoff team tied with a non-playoff team loses the tiebreaker.

I trust that Walter has this right, so the #21 slot is still where we're currently standing. The remaining contests could also move us higher, and the SoS for all of Denver's opponents (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=264815) (games so far) is: 0.442, with only the Jet's 0.445 being close, and thus a potential tiebreak winner. The poster of the SoS, frankmoore, has us at #18, which is 'earlier.' I wondered if the fact that he incorporated all team's records (remaining team of schedule, too), had something to do with it. Anyone have any ideas of this?


Here's the picture: (ALL RESULTS AS OF WEEK 14, 3 games remaining)

Round 1

1. Detroit (0-13)
2. Cincinnati (1-11-1)
3. Seattle (2-11)
4. Kansas City (2-11)
5. St. Louis (2-11)
6. Oakland (3-10)
7. Jacksonville (4-9)
8. Cleveland (4-9)
9. San Francisco (5-8)
10. Green Bay (5-8)
11. San Diego (5-8)
12. Buffalo (6-7)
13. Houston (6-7)
14. Chicago (7-6)
15. Washington (7-6)
16. New Orleans (7-6)
17. Philadelphia (7-5-1)
18. Miami (8-5)
19. New England (8-5)
20. Atlanta (8-5)
21. Denver (8-5)
22. New York Jets (8-5)
23. Arizona (8-5)
24. Detroit - from Dallas (8-5)
25. Minnesota (8-5)
26. Tampa Bay (9-4)
27. Indianapolis (9-4)
28. Baltimore (9-4)
29. Philadelphia - from Carolina (10-3)
30. Pittsburgh (10-3)
31. New York Giants (11-2)
32. Tennessee (12-1)

SoS

PICK TEAM PCT SoS
==============================================
Pick: 1 Detroit Lions -- .000 .563
Pick: 2 Cincinnati Bengals -- .115 .579
Pick: 3 Seattle Seahawks -- .154 .517
Pick: 4 St. Louis Rams -- .154 .522
Pick: 5 Kansas City Chiefs -- .154 .526
Pick: 6 Oakland Raiders -- .231 .524
Pick: 7 Jacksonville Jaguars -- .308 .541
Pick: 8 Cleveland Browns -- .308 .575
Pick: 9 San Francisco 49ers -- .385 .454
Pick: 10 Green Bay Packers -- .385 .505
Pick: 11 San Diego Chargers -- .385 .524
Pick: 12 Buffalo Bills -- .462 .438
Pick: 13 Houston Texans -- .462 .507
Pick: 14 Chicago Bears -- .538 .483
Pick: 15 Washington Redskins -- .538 .488
Pick: 16 New Orleans Saints -- .538 .500
Pick: 17 Philadelphia Eagles -- .577 .522
Pick: 18 Denver Broncos -- .615 .442
Pick: 19 New York Jets -- .615 .445
Pick: 20 Miami Dolphins -- .615 .452
Pick: 21 New England Patriots -- .615 .471
Pick: 22 Arizona Cardinals -- .615 .478
Pick: 23 Atlanta Falcons -- .615 .478
Pick: 24 Dallas Cowboys -- .615 .512 [Traded to Detroit]
Pick: 25 Minnesota Vikings -- .615 .519
Pick: 26 Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- .692 .471
Pick: 27 Indianapolis Colts -- .692 .488
Pick: 28 Baltimore Ravens -- .692 .512
Pick: 29 Carolina Panthers -- .769 .505 [Traded to Philadelphia]
Pick: 30 Pittsburgh Steelers -- .769 .512
Pick: 31 New York Giants -- .846 .502
Pick: 32 Tennessee Titans -- .923 .445

colinski
12-10-2008, 04:01 PM
Source? I didn't offer one up, either. But...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2007&round=round1

Take a look back at the 2007 Draft, when the Chiefs selected Dwayne Bowe with the 23rd overall pick. That was after the year that they went 10-6, but didn't make the playoffs. Now if the final spots are reserved for playoff teams, and they didn't trade to get there--how did they pick at 23? This is probably why GridironChamp was so quick to correct you, as it's something he's sure to know all too well. Sorry bud.

To reiterate: unless you get to the Super Bowl, the playoffs play no factor in your draft positioning; only your record does.

Yes, that was just a misreading on my part. I thought the inverse order applied to all the playoff teams and not just the SB participants. I read too quickly for my own good, and then try to catch the mistakes later.

There is a tie-breaker that does apply though: the non-playoff team V. playoff team tiebreak. We can exclude the SB participants and look at W/L% +SoS for everyone else but we need to remember to consider the P/NP (playoff/non-playoff) status first when breaking ties. It's hardly surprising that people get confused on this.

Looking at the standings; (http://www.nfl.com/standings), the Jets/Patriots/Dolphins tie in the AFC East is one race that may affect our draft position. There are some other teams, too, but we win the tiebreak among other playoff teams on SoS. I'll have to return to this issue in the next 3 weeks though since the results are fluid and there are a number of teams whose record is close to ours.

Here's the quote from Wikipedia:
For teams with the same record, teams that fail to make the playoffs always pick before teams that earned playoff berths.

Again, I'll try to post on this later and hopefully others will too. The last 3 games will affect the results but we're going to be picking fairly high for a playoff team. We appear to be a likely playoff team but our draft position may be better than a number of teams who don't make the playoffs. NP Teams tied with us will win the tiebreak, however.

broncofansd
12-11-2008, 09:15 PM
I have posted a couple MOCK DRAFTS so far and went with a slightly different way this time.

Denver currently has the 18th Pick in the draft but we will probably end up 32nd-22nd. It's needs in my mind DT , DE , S and Running Back.

Offensive Line is SET----Great group of younger players who should only get better.


LB's in my mind is SET---DJ , Winborn and Woodyard should be our Starters next year.

__________________________________________________ ______________

Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick to Detroit for it's 2nd Round Pick #33 and 5th Round Pick and 2010 1st Round Pick.


2nd Round Pick(Detroits)----Shonn Greene RB Iowa

Doak Walker Award Winner.



2nd Round Pick(Denver's)----Patrick Chung Safety Oregon Excellent hard hitting Safety that would be a great addition to our Secondary.




3rd Round Pick---------------Ron Brace DT Boston College This guy is a Stud. Have watched a bunch of BC games and he is the real deal.




4th Round Pick---------------Jordan Shipley WR Texas Possible slot WR




5th Round Pick(Detroit)--------Robert Ayers DE Tennessee Good DE



5th Round Pick(Denver's)------Robert Francois LB Boston College.



Any thoughts

Hoserman117
12-11-2008, 09:30 PM
Message to you.

Lions would never do that trade. They are a terrible team, and need more picks. Never in hell would they trade three picks for one of ours, especially when their first rounder next year is probably a top 10 pick.

Max Power
12-11-2008, 10:10 PM
You don't put any rationale behind the trade. Who would the Lions be trading up for?

Also, I disagree with our LB's being SET, aside from maybe Spencer Larsen, we don't have a capable long-term starting MLB on our roster. Depending on how confident they are about Larsen, MLB will have to be addressed as a priority. Moving D.J. back to the middle is not the solution, he was not good enough there the 1st time around, how would it be any different if it were to happen again?

If I had to give this mock a grade, it would be a C. Not good, but not terrible.

Also, why do you keeping putting the whole thing in bold? Normal text is easier on the eyes.

Bowie Man
12-12-2008, 07:31 AM
If it happened, I'd be extremely happy, but like the others have said, it's gonna be hard to convince the Lions to do that trade. I'd prefer Peagues over Chung, but I'm fine with either one. Greene might be had a little lower too. What does it look like the Lions' needs will be next year? RB, S, or DT might have a player they might be willing to trade up for.:salute!:

swankattack86
12-12-2008, 09:46 AM
Not a chance....oh and FYI denver needs to draft a LB... DJ and Woodyard would be sick with someone young like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J734kA0DISg

Brandon spikes, But im not too sure if he will enter this years draft.

To me denver should look for:

1st round: LB or DE
2nd round: FS or SS
3rd round: DT or DE
4th round: WR
5th round: DT or DE
6th round: BPA
7th round: BPA

Bowie Man
12-12-2008, 01:15 PM
Not a chance....oh and FYI denver needs to draft a LB... DJ and Woodyard would be sick with someone young like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J734kA0DISg

Brandon spikes, But im not too sure if he will enter this years draft.

To me denver should look for:

1st round: LB or DE
2nd round: FS or SS
3rd round: DT or DE
4th round: WR
5th round: DT or DE
6th round: BPA
7th round: BPA

No value in the 1st round at DE, in my opinion. And unless Spikes declares there's no value at LB either. Both Safety positions are strong in the 2nd and that's where I want to get one(unless we get Moore or Mays). The other rounds are good too. His draft is good IF that trade happens, but that's a big if.:salute!:

broncofansd
12-12-2008, 02:36 PM
I disagree about the LB Position.

Wesley Woodyard has Excelled at WLB.

DJ Williams had a Great year last year at MLB.

Jamie Winborn and Boss Bailey can man SLB.

Football is about putting your best players on the field. Woodyard has proven that he can play in the NFL. Over 50 tackles.

I still believe our biggest need is at DT and DE.

Dwayne Robertson-----looks average at best and who knows how long his knee will hold up.

Marcus Thomas--------has shown flashes and should continue to get better but he isn't a ALL PRO DT either.

John Engelberger-------I love his EFFORT(110%) He does more with less talent than alot of guys but let's face it he is AVERAGE at best.

E. Ekuban--------------Wiley old Veteran who's day's are numbered.


Jarvis Moss------------Someone needs to teach this guy some more moves. The whole speed rush thing only works if you have other moves. Major disappointment for a 1st Round Pick.

Tim Crowder-----------I actually like this guy but what the heck happened to him.

__________________________________________________ ______________

So the Reality is we should be looking to draft a IMPACT DLineman in the 1st Round. If you have a Great Dline it makes EVERYONE BETTER.


I was just throwing out that Shonn Greene would be great at Denver.

__________________________________________________ ______________

Here is who we should draft.


1st Round Pick------------------------------BJ Raji DT BC 6'1" 325lbs Or---------------------------------------------Terrance Cody DT ALabama Or------------------------------------------Peria Jerry DT Miss



2nd Round Pick------------------------------Patrick Chung or----------------------------------------------------------Rasheed Johnson or--------------------------------------------------------LeSean McCoy(if he declares)


3rd Round Pick------------------------------Rames Barden WR CalyPoly or----------------------------------------------Jordan Shipley WR Texas

Max Power
12-12-2008, 03:11 PM
DJ Williams had a Great year last year at MLB.


No, he wasn't. He racked up a lot of tackles, but most of them were on 5 yard gains or more. Our run defense was atrocious, the worst in the league as a matter of fact, and you can't say that he helped matters, except to prevent a big gain from becoming a VERY big gain (sometimes). Plus, the fact that Nate Webster replaced him and we signed a career backup and ST guy from Seattle to potentially replace him is further evidence of the fact that D.J. is not suited for MLB.

Besides, the reality is that the chances of him actually being moved back to the middle are slim to none. He hasn't had a chance to establish himself at one position, and moving him again will piss him off. Just let him play at his best position - WLB. As for Woodyard, the best case scenario is that he bulks him about 10 lbs. or so and moves to SLB, and excels there, providing an upgrade over the oft-injured Boss Bailey. 2nd best case scenario is that we try him at SS and he becomes a hard-hitting, run-stuffing enforcer there. Worst case scenario, but still not a bad situation, is that he remains a backup to D.J. at WLB. In this scenario, we would fix MLB in the offseason, and then have great depth at all the LB positions with Woodyard, Larsen, and Winborn as capable backups.

Warhawk
12-12-2008, 04:14 PM
No, he wasn't. He racked up a lot of tackles, but most of them were on 5 yard gains or more. Our run defense was atrocious, the worst in the league as a matter of fact, and you can't say that he helped matters, except to prevent a big gain from becoming a VERY big gain (sometimes).

QFT

DJ is well-suited to the outside. Keep him there. We need to draft someone to take over at MLB, someone who's comfortable in the middle and has some leadership ability.

swankattack86
12-12-2008, 05:15 PM
No value in the 1st round at DE, in my opinion. And unless Spikes declares there's no value at LB either. Both Safety positions are strong in the 2nd and that's where I want to get one(unless we get Moore or Mays). The other rounds are good too. His draft is good IF that trade happens, but that's a big if.:salute!:

Yeah i agree tho, Spikes is the best but Rey Maualuga is also very sick and james laurinaitis is as well... DE im not 100% sure who to take tho

BroncosTX77
12-12-2008, 05:30 PM
I have posted a couple MOCK DRAFTS so far and went with a slightly different way this time.

Denver currently has the 18th Pick in the draft but we will probably end up 32nd-22nd. It's needs in my mind DT , DE , S and Running Back.

Offensive Line is SET----Great group of younger players who should only get better.


LB's in my mind is SET---DJ , Winborn and Woodyard should be our Starters next year.

__________________________________________________ ______________

Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick to Detroit for it's 2nd Round Pick #33 and 5th Round Pick and 2010 1st Round Pick.


2nd Round Pick(Detroits)----Shonn Greene RB Iowa

Doak Walker Award Winner.



2nd Round Pick(Denver's)----Patrick Chung Safety Oregon Excellent hard hitting Safety that would be a great addition to our Secondary.




3rd Round Pick---------------Ron Brace DT Boston College This guy is a Stud. Have watched a bunch of BC games and he is the real deal.




4th Round Pick---------------Jordan Shipley WR Texas Possible slot WR




5th Round Pick(Detroit)--------Robert Ayers DE Tennessee Good DE



5th Round Pick(Denver's)------Robert Francois LB Boston College.



Any thoughts




Links to all your other 'mocks' would be beneficial to compare em each week.....
:smug:

broncofansd
12-12-2008, 05:56 PM
We will not draft a MLB in the 1st Round it just won't happen.

I would much rather trade up and select Brian Orakpo than select a MLB.


Look at all of the Great Defensive Teams this year Steelers , Baltimore , Giants , Minnesota. It all starts up front.

Max Power
12-12-2008, 07:30 PM
We will not draft a MLB in the 1st Round it just won't happen.

I would much rather trade up and select Brian Orakpo than select a MLB.


Look at all of the Great Defensive Teams this year Steelers , Baltimore , Giants , Minnesota. It all starts up front.

Well, just because you don't want it to happen, doesn't mean it won't. And is MLB not part of the defensive front 7? Of course it is. So when you say it all starts up front, that means MLB must be addressed too.

GridironChamp
12-12-2008, 10:57 PM
We will not draft a MLB in the 1st Round it just won't happen.

I would much rather trade up and select Brian Orakpo than select a MLB.


Look at all of the Great Defensive Teams this year Steelers , Baltimore , Giants , Minnesota. It all starts up front.

I will venture to say that while Baltimore and Pit have good DL, they also have
OUTSTANDING LBs. Harrison is a front runner to win DMVP this year and Ray
Lewis is still Ray Lewis with Scott and Suggs on either side of him.

Loook at teams like Philly who can play great defense for a stretch by using
their LBs on the blitz. Or Dallas who have lackluster DLs but good LBs.

It depends on scheme, a team like Denver who doesn't seem to blitz as much
would benefit better from a better DL than better LBs.

broncofansd
12-14-2008, 10:21 AM
Denver's Draft Needs-----DE , DT , S and RB.

Denver currently drafting at the 18th pick in the Draft.

2009 NFL DRAFT

1st Round Pick--------------Terrence Cody---DT----MASSIVE DT at 6'5" 365lbs Rotating him with Robertson and Thomas would do wonders for our Run Defense


2nd Round Pick--------------Tyson Jackson----DE----LSU huge DE who will replace Engelberger at DE.


3rd Round Pick---------------Rashaad Johnson---Safety----Ball Hawking Safety who Nick Saban called THE SMARTEST PLAYER I HAVE EVER HAD.


4th Round Pick---------------Jordan Shipley-----WR----Could eventually replace Brandon Stokley in the slot.

Any thoughts???

JaysusCutler
12-14-2008, 10:26 AM
Cody is staying in school for his senior year. Tyson Jackson will be a first rounder. If this actually by some miracle happened though, it would be great.

LarryDean
12-14-2008, 10:28 AM
Any thoughts???

Put more effort into your mocks.....I like theme mocks....In fact I think they are great even though knowingly they wont play out like that...Whats sup with Shipley in the stop the run mock......

stnzed
12-14-2008, 10:34 AM
I like that draft, you'll get all the "Fat, lazy, overweight" complaints from the Mimi-Me crowd, but getting bigger and stronger is a long-overdue idea.

Having said that, Shanahan is one of those in the Mini-Me crowd, he has absolutely no use for a player like Terrence Cody, it will never happen, he'd sooner draft Jackson and move HIM to DT.

I love the Rashad Johnson pick, but since he isn't a 1st round Safety you're running the risk of pissing off the natives, they'll love the Johnson pick move only if you drop Cody and add TWO more S's in the 1st round.......then you'd be half done with the Board mandated 6 Safety Mock Draft for 09.

I like Shipley but I think it's too high to take a WR, I don't think he'd be the slam-dunk BPA that high.

Btw, hopefully Denver does lose that 3rd or 4th rounder in that trade for Robertson.......

Ringo56
12-14-2008, 01:33 PM
The first 3 rounds would be great if it happened like that, but I wouldn't pick a Wr that early jusy my opinion.

broncofansd
12-14-2008, 05:43 PM
The Denver Broncos Defense is just Horrible!!! Denver is now 8-6 and the Defense continues to be a major Problem.

In our 6 Losses we gave up!

33 Points to The Kansas City Chiefs
24 Points to The Jacksonville Jaguars
41 Points to The New England Patriots
26 Points to The Miami Dolphins
31 Points to The Oakland Raiders
30 Points to The Carolina Panthers

We need a Major Upgrade in TALENT and NASTY ATTITUDE!!! I miss AL WILSON!!! He was a WARRIOR!!!!

Ideal Free Agent Pickup-------------------------Albert Haynesworth[B] has 47 Tackles and 9 SACKS this year so far. 5 years $85 million

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1st Round Pick---------------------------[B]Everitt Brown DE Florida St. 6'4" 254lbs who has 12.5 Sacks this year and 4th in the Nation for Tackles for loss. #2 Ranked DE in nfldraftscout.com


2nd Round Pick---------------------------Patrick Chung Safety Oregon 5'11" 210lbs Excellent SS to fill one of Denver's biggest need.


3rd Round Pick----------------------------Brandon Graham DE Michigan Denver loads up on DE's to try and fix their pass rush woes.


4th Round Pick----------------------------Ron Brace DT Boston College 6'3" 325lbs Another big DT to complete the DT rotation. Haynesworth/Robertson and Marcus Thomas/Ron Brace


5th Round Pick----------------------------Herb Donaldson RB Western Michigan 5'10" 222lbs Denver adds another Big RB to the mix


5th Round Pick(Atl)------------------------Robert Ayers DE Tennesee 6'3" 270lbs

housemouse
12-14-2008, 05:46 PM
Stop Posting So Many Mocks

Botan
12-14-2008, 05:51 PM
Stop Posting So Many Mocks

If you don't like them, don't click on the post.


I personally enjoy seeing what other people think about our draft possibilities.:rolleyes:

SBboundBRONCOS
12-14-2008, 05:56 PM
The Denver Broncos Defense is just Horrible!!! Denver is now 8-6 and the Defense continues to be a major Problem.

In our 6 Losses we gave up!

33 Points to The Kansas City Chiefs
24 Points to The Jacksonville Jaguars
41 Points to The New England Patriots
26 Points to The Miami Dolphins
31 Points to The Oakland Raiders
30 Points to The Carolina Panthers

We need a Major Upgrade in TALENT and NASTY ATTITUDE!!! I miss AL WILSON!!! He was a WARRIOR!!!!

Ideal Free Agent Pickup-------------------------Albert Haynesworth[B] has 47 Tackles and 9 SACKS this year so far. 5 years $85 million

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1st Round Pick---------------------------[B]Everitt Brown DE Florida St. 6'4" 254lbs who has 12.5 Sacks this year and 4th in the Nation for Tackles for loss. #2 Ranked DE in nfldraftscout.com


2nd Round Pick---------------------------Patrick Chung Safety Oregon 5'11" 210lbs Excellent SS to fill one of Denver's biggest need.


3rd Round Pick----------------------------Brandon Graham DE Michigan Denver loads up on DE's to try and fix their pass rush woes.


4th Round Pick----------------------------Ron Brace DT Boston College 6'3" 325lbs Another big DT to complete the DT rotation. Haynesworth/Robertson and Marcus Thomas/Ron Brace


5th Round Pick----------------------------Herb Donaldson RB Western Michigan 5'10" 222lbs Denver adds another Big RB to the mix


5th Round Pick(Atl)------------------------Robert Ayers DE Tennesee 6'3" 270lbs

brown is small again i dont want ANOTHER small DE on this team

i like chung he is my fav 2nd round S but i think i may prefer james davis to him right now

the rest i would be happy with . . . especially Ayers he was a solid player on my Vols and could probably contribute right away on this atrocious line

SBboundBRONCOS
12-14-2008, 05:57 PM
Stop Posting So Many Mocks

Stop Posting **** REMARKS

Snarfalicious
12-14-2008, 06:08 PM
brown is small again i dont want ANOTHER small DE on this team

i like chung he is my fav 2nd round S but i think i may prefer james davis to him right now

the rest i would be happy with . . . especially Ayers he was a solid player on my Vols and could probably contribute right away on this atrocious line

I agree. I feel like the DE's that will be around by the time we pick in the first aren't going to be worthy of the pick. I too like the Chung pick, feel like they guy is going to have a good career in the NFL. But I also am very intrigued by the possibility of drafting James Davis or a Shonn Greene type in the 2nd. I think our running game needs to get our swagger back, and with a feature back I feel that everything else will be improved. I think it really depends on how the coaching staff really feels about hillis and torain.

BroncosTX77
12-14-2008, 06:19 PM
It does he seems to post a mock every other day......

Albert Haynesworth may be a no go. He may have shredded his knee against Texans today. It looked Torain like, knee bent weird ways in a dog pile.

As for today's game, maybe Denver should draft a kicker in the first round!

:eek:

;)

Max Power
12-14-2008, 06:32 PM
Pretty much all broncofansd does is post mocks, get used to it. He did the same thing over on football's future... until he got banned.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!
12-14-2008, 06:41 PM
Broncos TXX........ I just want to say that you have an awesome sig. :salute:

housemouse
12-14-2008, 06:45 PM
I enjoy looking at peoples mocks as well.

However, he has had 10 since the 21st.

He has almost no reasoning behind any of his picks,



It does he seems to post a mock every other day......
If you start counting from the 27th. He actually has a little bit more that a mock every other day.

Den615
12-14-2008, 06:53 PM
im just fine with all the mocks
:salute!:
however i dont like the 1st pick...i want another trevor pryce at DE a big guy whos good against the run but is still an effective pass rusher...also after todays game i wouldnt mind have peppers instead of haynesworth...he's cheaper and definatley looks like he still has it (:salute!: to clady for containing him tho)

the rest is fine with me, although im really starting to like james davis

BroncosTX77
12-14-2008, 06:59 PM
Peppers will be franchised. Carolina wont let him go.

Den615
12-14-2008, 07:05 PM
Peppers will be franchised. Carolina wont let him go.

im not surprised, whats the general opinion on tyson jackson (LSU)?

BroncosTX77
12-14-2008, 07:25 PM
He is more of a run stopper, not much of a pass rusher. Will be LDE and with Tim Crowder still on team not sure if Denver will take a chance. Next year will be Crowder's 3rd year and he should hopefully shine. This is how the experts view Tyson Jackson

Defensive End specific Traits
Agility/Quickness 3 Moves well for his size and plays very much under control. However, he's not a typical highly-regarded DE prospect with explosive burst. He lacks ideal quick-twitch athlete and loses too much in transition when changing directions

Strength/Toughness 2 He flashes a mean streak but would like to see him play with more consistent effort. Otherwise, his game is built around size, strength and power. There are not many DE's coming out of college with his phone booth skills

Instincts 2 Displays good overall awareness and recognition skills. Finds the ball quickly and also plays with discipline. Gets his arms up as a pass rusher and bats down more throws than most DE's

Pass Rusher 3 Can win some battles with power moves. Shows the ability to drive OT's back into the QB. Has some strong upper-body moves to get an OT off-balance, but lacks closing burst to consistently take advantage. Will never be a threat to turn the corner with pure speed off the edge in the NFL. Will always be a better run-plugger than pass rusher

Run Stopper 1 Is an outstanding run defender. Big-bodied DE with a wide base, long arms and big hands. Can stack and shed. Powerful hitter with adequate wrap-up skills in space, especially for such a big D-lineman

Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal

CTM
12-14-2008, 08:04 PM
I dont mind that this guy posts a bunch of mocks. I wish he would put more effort into them. When I do mine I try to write a few sentences for each pick explaining what I think they can do now, and possibly for the future of the team. Then I wrap it up by explaining the overall strategy I was going for. With these, theyre too much of a spontaneous mock that just sort of gets jumbled together on a whim.

Sorry, just a little rant.

About the mock itself, its terrible. 2 DE's in the top 3 picks, 3 overall? Ridiculous, wouldnt solve any problems. They'd get lost in the depth chart and have very little return like the way Crowder and Moss got lost behind Doom and Ekuban and Engleberger. No LB? The only picks I sort of agree with are the 2 and 4. But the rest just sucks.

Den615
12-14-2008, 09:01 PM
He is more of a run stopper, not much of a pass rusher. Will be LDE and with Tim Crowder still on team not sure if Denver will take a chance. Next year will be Crowder's 3rd year and he should hopefully shine. This is how the experts view Tyson Jackson

Defensive End specific Traits
Agility/Quickness 3 Moves well for his size and plays very much under control. However, he's not a typical highly-regarded DE prospect with explosive burst. He lacks ideal quick-twitch athlete and loses too much in transition when changing directions

Strength/Toughness 2 He flashes a mean streak but would like to see him play with more consistent effort. Otherwise, his game is built around size, strength and power. There are not many DE's coming out of college with his phone booth skills

Instincts 2 Displays good overall awareness and recognition skills. Finds the ball quickly and also plays with discipline. Gets his arms up as a pass rusher and bats down more throws than most DE's

Pass Rusher 3 Can win some battles with power moves. Shows the ability to drive OT's back into the QB. Has some strong upper-body moves to get an OT off-balance, but lacks closing burst to consistently take advantage. Will never be a threat to turn the corner with pure speed off the edge in the NFL. Will always be a better run-plugger than pass rusher

Run Stopper 1 Is an outstanding run defender. Big-bodied DE with a wide base, long arms and big hands. Can stack and shed. Powerful hitter with adequate wrap-up skills in space, especially for such a big D-lineman

Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal

thanks for the info
wouldnt mind seeing denver drafting him depending on how the rest of the draft plays out...maybe trade up in the second if he lasts that long, but i wouldnt spend a 1st on him unless we traded down and got good value

Max Power
12-14-2008, 09:09 PM
Tyson Jackson is basically a clone of Phillip Merling, who went 32nd overall to the Dolphins in the most recent draft. Same type of player. Not that that's a bad thing - I quite liked Merling. I wonder how he's doing in Miami, or if he's doing anything at all...

BroncosTX77
12-14-2008, 09:11 PM
Tyson Jackson is basically a clone of Phillip Merling, who went 32nd overall to the Dolphins in the most recent draft. Same type of player. Not that that's a bad thing, I quite liked Merling. I wonder how he's doing in Miami, or if he's doing anything at all...

Meh not too well.

http://www.nfl.com/players/phillipmerling/profile?id=MER427282

Den615
12-14-2008, 09:12 PM
Tyson Jackson is basically a clone of Phillip Merling, who went 32nd overall to the Dolphins in the most recent draft. Same type of player. Not that that's a bad thing, I quite liked Merling. I wonder how he's doing in Miami, or if he's doing anything at all...

yeah, linemen are so hard to judge after their first year...thats why i still have faith in moss...and maybe some left in crowder

Max Power
12-14-2008, 09:13 PM
Meh not too well.

http://www.nfl.com/players/phillipmerling/profile?id=MER427282

24 tackles and a sack is not bad for a rookie who's only started two games though.

Den615
12-14-2008, 09:15 PM
24 tackles and a sack is not bad for a rookie who's only started two games though.

and like i said, you cant judge a rookie d-lineman after his first year...its such a huge adjustment from college to the pros

broncofansd
12-15-2008, 09:01 AM
I think the reality is that not 1 person here disputed that our DE's are Below Average[B]. I do kind of agree that besides Brian Orakpo that there isn't a great DE in the Draft.

The thing I like about Everitt is he had 12.5 Sacks and was 4th in the Nation in TACKLES FOR LOSS.

Jarvis Moss only had 7 Sacks when he came out!!!

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Denver needs a UPGRADE in Talent and Attitude on the Defensive Line. I miss Al Wilson(who would try to knock your head off or Steve Atwater ( who would hit you with every Ounce of his Body)

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As far as Drafting a LB. I don't think we need one with Wesley Woodyard and Spencer Larson proving to be Excellent Rookie Players.

[B]Give me a Better Defensive Line and then Woodyard / DJ Williams (at MLB) and Winborn and I think would will be set.


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I do think that Josh Barrett has played pretty good so far at Safety but teaming him with Patrick Chung would be great.

-Rod-
12-15-2008, 09:23 AM
Our defense was horrible? And what about our offense, that scored only 10 points??? Our draft needs are pretty clear right now and might change after the free agency period.

What we really need to get:
DT, RB, S, DE

A MLB is welcome but we could move DJ back to the middle and keep Woodyard at WLB.

broncofansd
12-17-2008, 10:12 AM
The Denver Broncos needs a PLAYMAKER/GAMECHANGER on DEFENSE.

Denver's needs in my mind are as follows.

1. Safety - McCree/Manuel are average at best. Love Josh Barrett's Potential and have high hopes for him.


2. DE - The reality is our DE's are bad. Engelberger(love his effort 110% every game but just not that TALENTED) E.Ekuban(good veteran DE but far from DOMINATING) , E.Dumervill(Good pass rusher but liability against the run) , Jarvis Moss(wish he had Engelberger's drive and effort)


3. RB - I hate putting RB here but we don't have 1 guy who really is a GREAT RB.


4. DT - Dwayne Robertson is only a short term answer(Knee) We need to draft another DT.

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2009 NFL Draft------Denver currently is selecting at the 16th spot.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=264815

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Offseason Free Agent signed.

Safety ------Brian Dawkins-----Denver signs Dawkins to a 3 year deal and teams him up with Josh Barrett to form a Great Safety Tandem.

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2009 NFL Draft

http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

1st Round ***TRADE***Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick(16) worth 1000 points to PHILLY(who feeling Immense Pressure in the NFC East) for it's 1st(via Carolina 29th) and 2nd Round Pick 51st Pick. Philly selects Terrance Cody DT.


1st Round Pick-----------------------------------Clint Sintim OLB/DE Virginia 6'3" 254lbs Nfldraftcountdown"Not only does Sintim look like a Prototypical SAM LB who plays the run and pass effectively he is a outstanding pass rusher and blitzer.

Player he reminds me most of Lamaar Woodley who is 6'2" 265lbs who has 11.5 SACKS this year.



2nd Round Pick(Denver's)-------------------------Shonn Greene RB Iowa at 5'11" 235lbs Denver finally gets a Big , Strong RB to pound the Rock.


2nd Round Pick(Philly)----------------------------Fili Moala DT USC 6'5" 298lbs Denver adds this Big DT to the Defense.


3rd Round Pick-----------------------------------Rashad Johnson Alabama 6'0" 190lbs. Nick Saban said Johnson is THE SMARTEST player he has ever had in college. Ballhawking Safety to learn from Hawkins.


4th Round Pick-----------------------------------Jordan Shipley WR Texas 6'0" 195lbs. Could be replacement for Stokley.


5th Round Pick(Seattle)-----------------------------Robert Ayers DE Tennesee 6'3" 270lbs We are going to have to REPLACE EKUBAN/ENGELBERGER pretty soon.


5th Round Pick--------------------------------------Kevin Ellison Safety USC 6'1" 228lbs Excellent SS to add to the mix.

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I think that Mike Shanahan truly believes that The BRONCOS can win a SUPERBOWL in the next 1-2 years. If we can fix the DEFENSE and create turnovers and give Cutler and the Offense more chances to score , we will be tough to beat.


I think that adding Brian Hawkins to our Secondary would be Awesome. Teaming him with Barrett would put Fear into our Opponents.


Clint Sintim reminds me of Woodley and maybe even Shawn Merriman. This would be a EXCELLENT pick for Denver.

Shonn Greene would give Denver a BIG RB to Pound away at people. Huge upgrade over Selvin Young and Pittman.

Fili Moala would give Denver another young strong DT again Robertson long term future isn't great.

Anythoughts?????

-Rod-
12-17-2008, 10:16 AM
I understand your choices except a WR in the 4th round. We got WRs and remember there is still Chad Jackson who might get more playing time next year. I know RB is our top offensive need but what about a G or C instead of a WR?

SDSU#1
12-17-2008, 10:20 AM
This is my favorite MOCK OF THE YEAR!!! My only question is, who's playing MLB??? DJ?? FA?? God I hope it isn't Webster... I love the trade more than anything and I was just thinking of trying to make a trade to get us an extra second.

I couldn't have done it better myself. Great Job except the MLB part.

broncofansd
12-17-2008, 10:23 AM
Have you watched our WR's this year.

Brandon Marshall----Complete STUD. Needs to focus a little bit more but great player.

Eddie Royal----------Exceptional Rookie. Blown my mind in production.


Brandon Stokley-----Very good Slot WR but might RETIRE pretty soon. Concussions.

Darrell Jackson-------Complete BUM. I was high on him in FA but I would rather have Glenn Martinez than Jackson.

Chad Jackson--------HAS HUGE POTENTIAL but knee injury forced New England to CUT him after giving him MILLIONS. So TBD can't count on him until he PRODUCES.


We need to draft another WR. What happens if both Marshall and Royal sprain their ankles in the same game????? We need another WR.

At center/guard we have Lichenslieger(misspelled) and Eslinger is on our Practice Squad for back up.


Our OFFENSIVE LINE HAS BEEN TRULY AWESOME considering CLADY/HARRIS are 1st year starters. We should only get better on the O line with more experience. THEY WILL BE DOMINATE in the next couple of years.

broncofansd
12-17-2008, 10:31 AM
At MLB we have options.

We could play.

Stintim -------------DJ----------------------Woodyard

Stintim--------------Larsen------------------DJ

Stintim--------------Winborn----------------DJ

Stintim--------------Webster----------------DJ

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I have to give Shanahan props for the last couple of drafts.

2006 Draft--------------AWESOME-----Cutler/Marshall/Kuper/Scheffler

2007 Draft--------------Good----------Thomas/Harris

2008 Draft--------------HOMERUN-------Clady/Royal/Woodyard(FA)/Barrett/Lichenstiger/


All I can say is THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT!!!!!!

If we can add 2-3 QUALITY GUYS!!!!

SDSU#1
12-17-2008, 10:33 AM
At MLB we have options.

We could play.

Stintim -------------DJ----------------------Woodyard

Stintim--------------Larsen------------------DJ

Stintim--------------Winborn----------------DJ

Stintim--------------Webster----------------DJ

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I have to give Shanahan props for the last couple of drafts.

2006 Draft--------------AWESOME-----Cutler/Marshall/Kuper/Scheffler

2007 Draft--------------Good----------Thomas/Harris

2008 Draft--------------HOMERUN-------Clady/Royal/Woodyard(FA)/Barrett/Lichenstiger/


All I can say is THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT!!!!!!

If we can add 2-3 QUALITY GUYS!!!!

Webster hopefully will be gone considering he's a UFA, I don't think Winborn is the answer. I hope it's Larsen or DJ. I just wanted to see who you had projected to play the middle.

ballen
12-17-2008, 10:34 AM
I understand the trade, but if Cody is there we take him. That goes for Malauga (sp?) and maybe Michael Johnson too.

I also really like Ramses Barden, WR from Cal Poly in the 4th round. With Royals flexiblity he could go to the slot in 3 wr sets and Barden would be a very "huge" possesion receiver on 3rd down and in the red zone.

check him out. http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Small%20School%20Football/ramses_barden.htm

broncofansd
12-17-2008, 10:55 AM
Here's my thinking on this Mock Draft.

By adding 1 quality FA (Brian Hawkins) to the Defense he will immediately upgrade our Secondary.

I think if we drafted a 1st Round Safety(Moore, Mays) and team him with Barrett that there will be a huge learning curve. By signing Hawkins we can keep Barrett at the other Safety position and draft Johnson/Ellison for the Future.

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The reality is that Robertson/Marcus Thomas have done a pretty good job(especially when not using 3-4 DEFENSE).

We need to get more pressure on the QB. I think we can BLITZ STINTIM or put him at DE on PASSING DOWNS ala Lamaar Woodley of Pitts.

I actually think STINTIM is a more complete LB than Woodley!!!!

Putting Stintim at DE and then put Winborn back at SAM.

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You are definetely right that there are alot of WR's who Denver should look at. Shipley just reminds me of Stokley!!!!!

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How about this Defense on Passing Downs.


DE---Dumervill---Robertson----Thomas--------STINTIM

LB Winborn------DJ---------Woodyard


CB Bly----------------------CHAMP


Safety BRIAN HAWKINNS----------------------Josh Barrett



To me that looks pretty darn good.

FYI-----STINTIM had as many Sacks as DE Michael Johnsonn

SDSU#1
12-17-2008, 11:12 AM
Here's my thinking on this Mock Draft.

By adding 1 quality FA (Brian Hawkins) to the Defense he will immediately upgrade our Secondary.

I think if we drafted a 1st Round Safety(Moore, Mays) and team him with Barrett that there will be a huge learning curve. By signing Hawkins we can keep Barrett at the other Safety position and draft Johnson/Ellison for the Future.

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The reality is that Robertson/Marcus Thomas have done a pretty good job(especially when not using 3-4 DEFENSE).

We need to get more pressure on the QB. I think we can BLITZ STINTIM or put him at DE on PASSING DOWNS ala Lamaar Woodley of Pitts.

I actually think STINTIM is a more complete LB than Woodley!!!!

Putting Stintim at DE and then put Winborn back at SAM.

__________________________________________________ _____________

You are definetely right that there are alot of WR's who Denver should look at. Shipley just reminds me of Stokley!!!!!

__________________________________________________ _____________

How about this Defense on Passing Downs.


DE---Dumervill---Robertson----Thomas--------STINTIM

LB Winborn------DJ---------Woodyard


CB Bly----------------------CHAMP


Safety BRIAN HAWKINNS----------------------Josh Barrett



To me that looks pretty darn good.

FYI-----STINTIM had as many Sacks as DE Michael Johnsonn

Nice Idea with STINTIM, but he shouldn't replace Moss on passing situations, we draft Moss for that reason and in his third season he better get some pressure on the QB.

colinski
12-17-2008, 11:29 AM
I like the Ayers pick, mostly for finding a L-DE in a class that seems almost void at times. He's come a long way from where he was projected at the beginning of the season.

Moala has occurred to me again recently. The idea was to use him as a L-DE. I'm not convinced yet that he successfully makes the transition from a DE in the 3-4 (his natural/projected position) to a L-DE in the 4-3. I'd like to see some leg strength, there are problems with his physique/physicality that bother me. I'd like to find a good bull-rusher among all the pass-rushing specialists. And I wonder about his speed for a L-DE in a 4-3. Moala is one that we're going to have to watch at the combine before we can get an accurate feel for his value and best position.

SDSU#1
12-17-2008, 11:56 AM
I like the Ayers pick, mostly for finding a L-DE in a class that seems almost void at times. He's come a long way from where he was projected at the beginning of the season.

Moala has occurred to me again recently. The idea was to use him as a L-DE. I'm not convinced yet that he successfully makes the transition from a DE in the 3-4 (his natural/projected position) to a L-DE in the 4-3. I'd like to see some leg strength, there are problems with his physique/physicality that bother me. I'd like to find a good bull-rusher among all the pass-rushing specialists. And I wonder about his speed for a L-DE in a 4-3. Moala is one that we're going to have to watch at the combine before we can get an accurate feel for his value and best position.

Fili Would be a great pass rusher in our scheme. It might take him a few years to become great, but he can rush the passer. I just watched him play against Alex Mack and Fili kicked his butt. Fili would be a fantastic 2nd round pick for us.

GridironChamp
12-17-2008, 12:18 PM
I'm not sold on Sintim's ability to play ILB in the NFL, thus making him close to
average for a team that runs the 4-3 defense. Denver runs a 4-3 defense, so
your first round pick is average.

Thats doesnt follow your "playmaker" on defense. I admit, Sintim could surprise
all and be a really good ILB, but I don't see that and he is not a near as good
OLB prospect for a 4-3 that he is for a 3-4. Herzlich, Weatherspoon, Freeman,
Cushing, and Curry are better 4-3 OLB prospects, and Clay Matthews and Morty
Ivy are close to Sintim as a 4-3 OLB (IMO).

housemouse
12-17-2008, 01:18 PM
By adding 1 quality FA (Brian Hawkins) to the Defense he will immediately upgrade our Secondary.


I think that adding Brian Hawkins to our Secondary would be Awesome. Teaming him with Barrett would put Fear into our Opponents.

Isn't it Dawkins?

Max Power
12-17-2008, 01:42 PM
Brian Dawkins is too old and not the player he used to be, so no thanks.

trenchwar08
12-17-2008, 02:01 PM
Time out. Time out. Time out!!! What is it with this Josh Barrett? IMO, he's a stiff. Can't tackle. Can't think. Always out of position. No nose for the ball. What? Is it just because he's big and has muscles and can run fast in a straight line? As one announcer said during one of our games this year, "In the NFL, everyone's fast and everyne's strong." For my money, I would like to see some intelligent football placers on the Defense who know what's going on and how to get there before the play goes 20 yards down field.

colinski
12-17-2008, 02:13 PM
Fili Would be a great pass rusher in our scheme. It might take him a few years to become great, but he can rush the passer. I just watched him play against Alex Mack and Fili kicked his butt. Fili would be a fantastic 2nd round pick for us.

Interesting.

Scott Wright has the DTs as:

1. B.J. Raji Boston College - 6-1 - 323 - 5.15
2. Peria Jerry Ole Miss - 6-2 - 290 - 5.00
3. Evander Hood Missouri - 6-4 - 295 - 5.00
4. Fili Moala USC - 6-5 - 295 - 5.15
5. Terrance Taylor Michigan - 6-0 - 308 - 5.20
6. Vance Walker Georgia Tech - 6-2 - 293 - 5.00
7. Ron Brace Boston College - 6-3 - 324 - 5.30
8. Darryl Richard Georgia Tech - 6-4 - 290 - 5.00
9. Jeff Owens(*) Georgia - 6-3 - 298 - 5.00
10. John Gill Northwestern - 6-3 - 290 - 5.00

Moala should go in the 2nd, by my estimation of how the rankings translate into draft rounds for the DTs.

He still looks like a DT/DE tweener to me, judging by his metrics and reports on him. And I've only watched part of one USC game this season so I'm making that observation based on 2nd hand information, which is why I'd like to see his combine performance as well as how he fares against competition is the post-season all-star games.

I'd certainly like to find a L-DE in this draft, but I'd also even happier if we find a true DT. Hood is a comparable choice and my impression at this point is that I'd rather have him at that slot. I want them to pick a DE but it may have to wait till later. Just going on metrics, a later pick like Clinton McDonald (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75357&draftyear=2009&genpos=DT) strikes me as more the type of player I'm looking for at L-DE.

Call it irrational, but I just don't have great confidence in most of the DLs in the early going. I'm more inclined towards the character/overachievers in the later going. And I'd rather take a few shots at this type of player and see who develops. I like to use my high picks prudently. I'd avoid about half of Wright's top ten DTs and go with a pick in another area when possible.

Den615
12-17-2008, 02:15 PM
ehh...not liking this mock so much sintim doesnt fit the defensive scheme we run...the rest is ok i guess, james davis would be my #1 choice out of the runningbacks that dont go in the first...and its DAWKINS!!! and i dont pay enough attention to the eagles to know what he has left, but if you want another veteran safety i believe darren sharper is a free agent as well

ballen
12-17-2008, 02:19 PM
There's veteran and then there's old.

This team won't sign Dawkins or Sharper. It goes against the whole philosophy of the past year. They will continue to build through the draft and any free agents signed will not be 30 or over.

Den615
12-17-2008, 02:22 PM
There's veteran and then there's old.

This team won't sign Dawkins or Sharper. It goes against the whole philosophy of the past year. They will continue to build through the draft and any free agents signed will not be 30 or over.

thats fine with me...i was just tellin him that theres other over the hill safety's since thats what he wants...lol

im glad this guy doesnt work for the broncos scouting department:coffee:

housemouse
12-17-2008, 03:33 PM
Time out. Time out. Time out!!! What is it with this Josh Barrett? IMO, he's a stiff. Can't tackle. Can't think. Always out of position. No nose for the ball. What? Is it just because he's big and has muscles and can run fast in a straight line? As one announcer said during one of our games this year, "In the NFL, everyone's fast and everyne's strong." For my money, I would like to see some intelligent football placers on the Defense who know what's going on and how to get there before the play goes 20 yards down field.
*** are you talking about? He has been playing VERY WELL.
Have you been watching him play..? Or just being ignorant?

broncofansd
12-17-2008, 04:05 PM
About Stintim not being a great LB. The same thing was said about Lamaar Woodley of Pittsburgh and look at him now.

Some guys just know how to get to the QB!!! Like John Abraham.

By drafting Clint Stintim , Shonn Greene , Fili Moala , Rasheed Johnson , Kevin Ellison that we will definetly improve as a team.

Clinton Stintim----Led the NCAA in Sacks by a LB with 13.

Shonn Greene-----2nd in the Nation in Rushing

Fili Moala----------Anchored USC's defense one of the best in the Nation.

Rasheed Johnson---Ballhawking Safety for Alabama

Kevin Ellison--------Taylor Mays admitted that Ellison is a better Safety than him. Mays will go alot higher due to POTENTIAL.

Den615
12-17-2008, 04:11 PM
About Stintim not being a great LB. The same thing was said about Lamaar Woodley of Pittsburgh and look at him now.

Some guys just know how to get to the QB!!! Like John Abraham.

By drafting Clint Stintim , Shonn Greene , Fili Moala , Rasheed Johnson , Kevin Ellison that we will definetly improve as a team.

Clinton Stintim----Led the NCAA in Sacks by a LB with 13.

Shonn Greene-----2nd in the Nation in Rushing

Fili Moala----------Anchored USC's defense one of the best in the Nation.

Rasheed Johnson---Ballhawking Safety for Alabama

Kevin Ellison--------Taylor Mays admitted that Ellison is a better Safety than him. Mays will go alot higher due to POTENTIAL.




it would be a waste of talent for us to draft stintim...hes much better suited to play in a 3-4 as an outside backer...not a strongside or middle linebacker in a 4-3

like i said, im glad ur not a scout for the broncos....u change ur mind every other day...LITERALLY you post a different mock every other day!:coffee:

berlownacyo7s
12-17-2008, 04:14 PM
I would be happy with your draft. I would rather see a MLB in the 1st instead of Sintim, but I like Greene, Moala, Johnson, and Shipley. I don't know if we would need to get Ellison with Dawkins, Barrett, and Johnson. I think an interior o-lineman would be better.

Goatmaster
12-17-2008, 04:22 PM
The Denver Broncos needs a PLAYMAKER/GAMECHANGER on DEFENSE.

Denver's needs in my mind are as follows.

1. Safety - McCree/Manuel are average at best. Love Josh Barrett's Potential and have high hopes for him.


2. DE - The reality is our DE's are bad. Engelberger(love his effort 110% every game but just not that TALENTED) E.Ekuban(good veteran DE but far from DOMINATING) , E.Dumervill(Good pass rusher but liability against the run) , Jarvis Moss(wish he had Engelberger's drive and effort)


3. RB - I hate putting RB here but we don't have 1 guy who really is a GREAT RB.


4. DT - Dwayne Robertson is only a short term answer(Knee) We need to draft another DT.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________________

2009 NFL Draft------Denver currently is selecting at the 16th spot.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=264815

__________________________________________________ _______________

Offseason Free Agent signed.

Safety ------Brian Dawkins-----Denver signs Dawkins to a 3 year deal and teams him up with Josh Barrett to form a Great Safety Tandem.

__________________________________________________ _______________

2009 NFL Draft

http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

1st Round ***TRADE***Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick(16) worth 1000 points to PHILLY(who feeling Immense Pressure in the NFC East) for it's 1st(via Carolina 29th) and 2nd Round Pick 51st Pick. Philly selects Terrance Cody DT.


1st Round Pick-----------------------------------Clint Sintim OLB/DE Virginia 6'3" 254lbs Nfldraftcountdown"Not only does Sintim look like a Prototypical SAM LB who plays the run and pass effectively he is a outstanding pass rusher and blitzer.

Player he reminds me most of Lamaar Woodley who is 6'2" 265lbs who has 11.5 SACKS this year.



2nd Round Pick(Denver's)-------------------------Shonn Greene RB Iowa at 5'11" 235lbs Denver finally gets a Big , Strong RB to pound the Rock.


2nd Round Pick(Philly)----------------------------Fili Moala DT USC 6'5" 298lbs Denver adds this Big DT to the Defense.


3rd Round Pick-----------------------------------Rashad Johnson Alabama 6'0" 190lbs. Nick Saban said Johnson is THE SMARTEST player he has ever had in college. Ballhawking Safety to learn from Hawkins.


4th Round Pick-----------------------------------Jordan Shipley WR Texas 6'0" 195lbs. Could be replacement for Stokley.


5th Round Pick(Seattle)-----------------------------Robert Ayers DE Tennesee 6'3" 270lbs We are going to have to REPLACE EKUBAN/ENGELBERGER pretty soon.


5th Round Pick--------------------------------------Kevin Ellison Safety USC 6'1" 228lbs Excellent SS to add to the mix.

__________________________________________________ _______________

I think that Mike Shanahan truly believes that The BRONCOS can win a SUPERBOWL in the next 1-2 years. If we can fix the DEFENSE and create turnovers and give Cutler and the Offense more chances to score , we will be tough to beat.


I think that adding Brian Hawkins to our Secondary would be Awesome. Teaming him with Barrett would put Fear into our Opponents.


Clint Sintim reminds me of Woodley and maybe even Shawn Merriman. This would be a EXCELLENT pick for Denver.

Shonn Greene would give Denver a BIG RB to Pound away at people. Huge upgrade over Selvin Young and Pittman.

Fili Moala would give Denver another young strong DT again Robertson long term future isn't great.

Anythoughts?????

just to make sure, you dont really think we will get all those guys right? so many teams love all these guys, there is no way we get all of them. i enjoy fantasizing as much as the next guys but i dont remember seeing any reasonable mock drafts recently

broncofansd
12-17-2008, 05:58 PM
it would be a waste of talent for us to draft stintim...hes much better suited to play in a 3-4 as an outside backer...not a strongside or middle linebacker in a 4-3

like i said, im glad ur not a scout for the broncos....u change ur mind every other day...LITERALLY you post a different mock every other day!:coffee:

Obviously you haven't done any research Den615.

Here is a link for you!!!!

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

Go down to #31 and read a little about Stintim. Perfect SAM LB.

Every Mock Draft I have Done has STRESSED the same things. Improve our Dline. We need Safety(Dawkins) , DE , DT and RB. I believe that Denver needs to put PRESSURE on the QB and STINTIM can do this. He is the same size as John Abraham!!!

Max Power
12-17-2008, 06:16 PM
Obviously you haven't done any research Den615.

Here is a link for you!!!!

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

Go down to #31 and read a little about Stintim. Perfect SAM LB.

Every Mock Draft I have Done has STRESSED the same things. Improve our Dline. We need Safety(Dawkins) , DE , DT and RB. I believe that Denver needs to put PRESSURE on the QB and STINTIM can do this. He is the same size as John Abraham!!!

Sintim IS a better fit at 3-4 OLB than 4-3 SAM. It's what he plays the majority of the time in college and quite well at that. His strength is rushing the QB from the edge, something a 3-4 OLB does a lot more than a 4-3 SAM. Sintim COULD be a good 4-3 SAM, but it is by no means a slam-dunk guarantee, and I certainly wouldn't take the word of Scott Wright as gospel. Now if it was Mayock saying it, I would be swayed, but Wright isn't in the same universe as Mayock when it comes to draft insight. Not even close.

And Dawkins is not a viable solution to our problems at safety. He's 35 years old, and has clearly lost a step or two. He would be a marginal short-term upgrade at best.

broncos SB2010
12-17-2008, 06:17 PM
Brian Dawkins is too old and not the player he used to be, so no thanks.

totally agree

housemouse
12-17-2008, 06:17 PM
Obviously you haven't done any research Den615.

Here is a link for you!!!!

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

Go down to #31 and read a little about Stintim. Perfect SAM LB.

Every Mock Draft I have Done has STRESSED the same things. Improve our Dline. We need Safety(Dawkins) , DE , DT and RB. I believe that Denver needs to put PRESSURE on the QB and STINTIM can do this. He is the same size as John Abraham!!!
YEAH!
And when pigs come flying out my ass we can have bacon for the rest of our lives!
Just cause some one says so, doesn't mean it's true.

Same size as Abraham?
John Engelberger is the same size as Abraham. Hell, he even has the same first name.
Is Engelberger good just because of his size?

BroncosTX77
12-17-2008, 06:18 PM
Obviously you haven't done any research Den615.

Here is a link for you!!!!

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

Go down to #31 and read a little about Stintim. Perfect SAM LB.

Every Mock Draft I have Done has STRESSED the same things. Improve our Dline. We need Safety(Dawkins) , DE , DT and RB. I believe that Denver needs to put PRESSURE on the QB and STINTIM can do this. He is the same size as John Abraham!!!



and I retort with what ESPN NFL Scouts say.....

Prospect Update Archive
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Clint Sintim | OLB Scouts Grade: 82

Height: 6'2"
Weight: 249 lbs
College: VIRGINIA
Flag: N/A
Overall Rank: 59
Position Rank: 5


Overall Football Traits

Production 2 Virginia red-shirted Stintim in 2004. He started all 12 games of the 2005 season finishing with 53 total tackles, 26 unassisted tackles, seven tackles-for-loss, three sacks and one forced fumble. Stintim started all 12 games of the 2006 season finishing with 45 total tackles, 22 unassisted tackles, 10 tackles-for-loss, four sacks, one forced fumble and one fumble recovery. He started all 13 games of the 2007 season finishing with 77 total tackles, 44 unassisted tackles, nine tackles-for-loss, nine sacks and two forced fumbles

Height-Weight-Speed 1 Stintim's bulk, height and top-end speed are prototypical for the position
Durability 3 Stintim hasn't missed a game because of an injury but he was slowed by a shoulder injury in 2006 and underwent shoulder surgery during the 2007 off-season. He didn't participate in 2008 spring practices because of an injury

Character 0 N/A

Outside Linebacker specific Traits

Instincts/Recognition 2 Shows good discipline and rarely gets caught out of position. Reads keys, keeps head up and locates the ball but isn't always as aggressive filling against inside runs as should be.

Pursuit/Point of Attack 3 Plays too high and gets driven back at times. Shows above-average upper body strength, plays with a mean streak and flashes the ability to shed blockers once engaged. Takes sound pursuit angles and could be a sideline-to-sideline run defender but effort in pursuit is inconsistent

Tackling 2 Shows adequate body control in space and wraps up

Pass Coverage 3 Gets good depth and shows adequate range in zone coverage. Physical and can muscle receivers out of their routes. Hip flexibility is just adequate and is going to have some problems matching up with NFL backs/tight ends in man coverage.

Pass Rusher 2 Can rush the passer from a two-point as well as a three-point stance. Can set offensive tackles up to the outside before redirecting inside. Active hands and flashes an effective rip move. Moves well laterally when running line stunts. Shows adequate closing speed but lacks elite initial quickness and is going to have a harder time turning the corner at the NFL level. Plays with a narrow base and can get knocked off balance by blockers in the backfield.

Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal
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Let me bring your attention to pass coverage and point of attack/pursuit. That is what Denver LB are expected to excel at. Sintim is only average in those 2 areas.

Sintim's strengths are tackling and pass rush which is what a 3-4 team looks for in an OLB/DE hybrid.

I'll post the link not sure if it will come up for ya.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24097&univLogin02=stateChanged

broncos SB2010
12-17-2008, 06:30 PM
Obviously you haven't done any research Den615.

Here is a link for you!!!!

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

Go down to #31 and read a little about Stintim. Perfect SAM LB.

Every Mock Draft I have Done has STRESSED the same things. Improve our Dline. We need Safety(Dawkins) , DE , DT and RB. I believe that Denver needs to put PRESSURE on the QB and STINTIM can do this. He is the same size as John Abraham!!!

I think this shows how little you know about drafting needs for the team. I say this with a little regret because I also like Clint Sintim but when you say we need Dawkins ......well...people stop listening to you. Dawkins is going to be 36 next year!! His best days are looooong gone. Oshiomogho Atogwe from St. Louis is also going to be a FA free safety. He is a stud player and only 27. Why in the world would you want Dawkins over him?

MindField
12-17-2008, 07:11 PM
I'm not sold on Sintim's ability to play ILB in the NFL, thus making him close to
average for a team that runs the 4-3 defense. Denver runs a 4-3 defense, so
your first round pick is average.

Thats doesnt follow your "playmaker" on defense. I admit, Sintim could surprise
all and be a really good ILB, but I don't see that and he is not a near as good
OLB prospect for a 4-3 that he is for a 3-4. Herzlich, Weatherspoon, Freeman,
Cushing, and Curry are better 4-3 OLB prospects, and Clay Matthews and Morty
Ivy are close to Sintim as a 4-3 OLB (IMO).

James Farrior was originally drafted by Bill Parcells and the NY Jets from Virginia as a SS-OLB, then made the move inside, and the reports I have read say Sintim could do the same thing. Actually this move is made fairly often in the NFL.

The Broncos did that with Allen Aldridge, the Cowboys did the same thing with Robert Jones when Slowik was with them under Jimmy Johnson...and there are those that believe DJ Williams could be a good MLB if he would have stayed there, and those are just off the top of my head.

Clint Sintim is starting to gain momentum, because he comes from an NFL ready defense, which should translate well to the NFL, plus he is a big, physical sucker (6'2"-254) that could really be a hammer against the run. I also like the pass rush ability he would bring to the middle on the blitz, so I am not against the idea of drafting him as a MLB, but whatever they do, the Broncos need to solidify the position, which has been the primary reason their defense has slipped since Al Wilson left.

I am sick to death of Nate Webster, and I don't think Spencer Larsen is anything more than a backup.

I also agree with you on Mortty Ivy; I am eager to see his offseason workouts and where he winds up.

I think Ivy is going to be a riser in the pre-draft process.

SDSU#1
12-17-2008, 08:15 PM
I think this shows how little you know about drafting needs for the team. I say this with a little regret because I also like Clint Sintim but when you say we need Dawkins ......well...people stop listening to you. Dawkins is going to be 36 next year!! His best days are looooong gone. Oshiomogho Atogwe from St. Louis is also going to be a FA free safety. He is a stud player and only 27. Why in the world would you want Dawkins over him?

I think he drafted a bunch of the teams needs, is it perfect, no, but I dont think you can say he knows little about drafting the teams needs. Lets look at what he covered: SLB/DE(Lord knows if Boss will ever play again), FS, DT, RB, DE, SS, WR. That looks like all of them except MLB, which we discussed later in the post about the possibility of moving DJ back to MLB and Woodyard at WLB. If we went that route I'd say it's one of the best mocks anyone on this board has had.

Dawkins is old and slowing down, and three years is probably too much, but the fact that he brings in one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game to mentor the inexperienced safeties that we drafted is great. Dawkins still gets it done for the eagles and he can still play for another year. The broncos weren't afraid to get rid of lynch when he was getting slow and neither will they be about Dawkins.

I personally want Sean Jones, Atogwe, or Phillips, but how can you complain about bringing in a veteran leader like dawkins to teach the young guns for a year or two???

broncos SB2010
12-17-2008, 09:08 PM
I think he drafted a bunch of the teams needs, is it perfect, no, but I dont think you can say he knows little about drafting the teams needs. Lets look at what he covered: SLB/DE(Lord knows if Boss will ever play again), FS, DT, RB, DE, SS, WR. That looks like all of them except MLB, which we discussed later in the post about the possibility of moving DJ back to MLB and Woodyard at WLB. If we went that route I'd say it's one of the best mocks anyone on this board has had.

Dawkins is old and slowing down, and three years is probably too much, but the fact that he brings in one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game to mentor the inexperienced safeties that we drafted is great. Dawkins still gets it done for the eagles and he can still play for another year. The broncos weren't afraid to get rid of lynch when he was getting slow and neither will they be about Dawkins.

I personally want Sean Jones, Atogwe, or Phillips, but how can you complain about bringing in a veteran leader like dawkins to teach the young guns for a year or two???

Bringing in Dawkins to mentor would be a waste of a roster slot and he wouldn't be any better than they guys we have now. One of the reasons dawkins is still on the field is the rest of the Philly defense which plays pretty well, unlike the Broncos who have no pass rush or control of the line of scrimmage. We don't need a guy for 1 year, we need some safeties who can come in and start for 5-7 years. If we wanted a guy to mentor we would have kept Lynch.

SDSU#1
12-17-2008, 09:15 PM
Bringing in Dawkins to mentor would be a waste of a roster slot and he wouldn't be any better than they guys we have now. One of the reasons dawkins is still on the field is the rest of the Philly defense which plays pretty well, unlike the Broncos who have no pass rush or control of the line of scrimmage. We don't need a guy for 1 year, we need some safeties who can come in and start for 5-7 years. If we wanted a guy to mentor we would have kept Lynch.

If we start two young inexperienced safeties next year we're just as screwed as we are this year. It's like I said at the end of my post, I want Sean Jones, Atogwe, or Phillips, but if we got Dawkins he'd still be better than Barrett and/or (Mays, Moore, Johnson). Think about it, Dawkins can still tackle, which is our biggest weakness IMO, and he's still better than Manuel/McCree will ever be. I repeat, I dont want Dawkins, but I would rather have him then start two basically rookies and/or what we have now.

stnzed
12-17-2008, 09:23 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but there are about 3 to 5 teams less likely to draft Cody than Denver and the Eagles are one of them.......

broncofansd
12-18-2008, 09:30 AM
I still believe that our biggest problem is getting to the QB!!! Putting pressure , sacking , and knocking down the QB makes the whole DEFENSE better.

Clint Stintim ----7 Sacks last year and 13 Sacks this year. Heck Jarvis Moss only had 7 Sacks when we drafted him(Bad draft choice I wanted Merriweather/Reggie Nelson at Safety that year)

I also believe that if we draft Stintim and start in TRAINING CAMP not 3rd week of the season that Denver could start to IMPLEMENT a 3-4 Defense that would WORK!!!!

Our Defense would look like.

DLine------Marcus Thomas------D.Robertson------E.Ekuban

LB----Stintim------Woodyard-----Winborn-----DJ


CB-----CHAMP-----Bly


Safety------Dawkins-----Barrettt


We could also place Fili Moala at DE.

The reason our 3-4 didn't work is they threw it together in week 4-5 of the season.

Given a whole offseason to practice it , the 3-4 could work.

No matter what STINTIM KNOWS how to get to the QB.

Corn_3024
12-18-2008, 10:56 AM
The Denver Broncos needs a PLAYMAKER/GAMECHANGER on DEFENSE.

Denver's needs in my mind are as follows.

1. Safety - McCree/Manuel are average at best. Love Josh Barrett's Potential and have high hopes for him.


2. DE - The reality is our DE's are bad. Engelberger(love his effort 110% every game but just not that TALENTED) E.Ekuban(good veteran DE but far from DOMINATING) , E.Dumervill(Good pass rusher but liability against the run) , Jarvis Moss(wish he had Engelberger's drive and effort)


3. RB - I hate putting RB here but we don't have 1 guy who really is a GREAT RB.


4. DT - Dwayne Robertson is only a short term answer(Knee) We need to draft another DT.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________________

2009 NFL Draft------Denver currently is selecting at the 16th spot.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=264815

__________________________________________________ _______________

Offseason Free Agent signed.

Safety ------Brian Dawkins-----Denver signs Dawkins to a 3 year deal and teams him up with Josh Barrett to form a Great Safety Tandem.

__________________________________________________ _______________

2009 NFL Draft

http://drafttek.com/round12009.asp

1st Round ***TRADE***Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick(16) worth 1000 points to PHILLY(who feeling Immense Pressure in the NFC East) for it's 1st(via Carolina 29th) and 2nd Round Pick 51st Pick. Philly selects Terrance Cody DT.


1st Round Pick-----------------------------------Clint Sintim OLB/DE Virginia 6'3" 254lbs Nfldraftcountdown"Not only does Sintim look like a Prototypical SAM LB who plays the run and pass effectively he is a outstanding pass rusher and blitzer.

Player he reminds me most of Lamaar Woodley who is 6'2" 265lbs who has 11.5 SACKS this year.



2nd Round Pick(Denver's)-------------------------Shonn Greene RB Iowa at 5'11" 235lbs Denver finally gets a Big , Strong RB to pound the Rock.


2nd Round Pick(Philly)----------------------------Fili Moala DT USC 6'5" 298lbs Denver adds this Big DT to the Defense.


3rd Round Pick-----------------------------------Rashad Johnson Alabama 6'0" 190lbs. Nick Saban said Johnson is THE SMARTEST player he has ever had in college. Ballhawking Safety to learn from Hawkins.


4th Round Pick-----------------------------------Jordan Shipley WR Texas 6'0" 195lbs. Could be replacement for Stokley.


5th Round Pick(Seattle)-----------------------------Robert Ayers DE Tennesee 6'3" 270lbs We are going to have to REPLACE EKUBAN/ENGELBERGER pretty soon.


5th Round Pick--------------------------------------Kevin Ellison Safety USC 6'1" 228lbs Excellent SS to add to the mix.

__________________________________________________ _______________

I think that Mike Shanahan truly believes that The BRONCOS can win a SUPERBOWL in the next 1-2 years. If we can fix the DEFENSE and create turnovers and give Cutler and the Offense more chances to score , we will be tough to beat.


I think that adding Brian Hawkins to our Secondary would be Awesome. Teaming him with Barrett would put Fear into our Opponents.


Clint Sintim reminds me of Woodley and maybe even Shawn Merriman. This would be a EXCELLENT pick for Denver.

Shonn Greene would give Denver a BIG RB to Pound away at people. Huge upgrade over Selvin Young and Pittman.

Fili Moala would give Denver another young strong DT again Robertson long term future isn't great.

Anythoughts?????

I like a lot of what you did here but I think we need give Barret a little more time before we declare him a solution to any of our problems. He is still a huge liability as of now, he's just the best option we have. Lets hope he continues to improve though.

Love the Ellison pick. Extremely intelligent player that hits like a truck. Pretty slow 40 time (around a 4.7) but is never out of position and its exactly what we need. A perfect box safety for our scheme but I doubt he's there at round 5. If we can get Ellison in round 3 I'd be estacit.

getlynched47
12-18-2008, 11:09 AM
This is too much Josh Barrett hype.....I dont even think that he's ready to be a full-time starter.

No question, we need a safety in the first......the only way we dont go safety in the first is if Moore or Mays is gone because we wont reach with plenty more safety talent in the 2nd round.

RB is NOT a need, I can not stress that enough. We're going to have a HUGE RB competition in training camp next season...may the best win (I'm pulling for Hillis)

MindField
12-18-2008, 11:29 AM
This is too much Josh Barrett hype.....I dont even think that he's ready to be a full-time starter.

No question, we need a safety in the first......the only way we dont go safety in the first is if Moore or Mays is gone because we wont reach with plenty more safety talent in the 2nd round.

RB is NOT a need, I can not stress that enough. We're going to have a HUGE RB competition in training camp next season...may the best win (I'm pulling for Hillis)

Speaking of 'hype' that would pretty much describe William Moore as well.

getlynched47
12-18-2008, 11:31 AM
Speaking of 'hype' that would pretty much describe William Moore as well.

I hate William Moore....I would rather have Taylor Mays but that doesnt change the fact that William Moore is a 1st round prospect :rolleyes:

housemouse
12-18-2008, 11:49 AM
DLine------Marcus Thomas------D.Robertson------E.Ekuban

LB----Stintim------Woodyard-----Winborn-----DJ
But D. Robertson at NT?
And have a 215lb ILB?
*** are you drunk!?

Broncosinindy
12-18-2008, 05:07 PM
At MLB we have options.

We could play.

Stintim -------------DJ----------------------Woodyard

Stintim--------------Larsen------------------DJ

Stintim--------------Winborn----------------DJ

Stintim--------------Webster----------------DJ

__________________________________________________ _____________

I have to give Shanahan props for the last couple of drafts.

2006 Draft--------------AWESOME-----Cutler/Marshall/Kuper/Scheffler

2007 Draft--------------Good----------Thomas/Harris Both of these guys are starters so that is good. Moss ( i have been high on him but i think he is gonna be a bust. this is the FIRST time i have been down on him i just dont think hell pull through. Crowder is a ghost. so i think it would be average instead of good
2008 Draft--------------HOMERUN-------Clady/Royal/Woodyard(FA)/Barrett/Lichenstiger/

If we can add 2-3 QUALITY GUYS!!!!

although you are right the drafting is getting better

broncos SB2010
12-18-2008, 06:06 PM
But D. Robertson at NT?
And have a 215lb ILB?
*** are you drunk!?

yes, I have to agree. Robertson left the Jets because he was not good as 3-4 NT. If we did go that way we would have to draft a NT like Cody or Raji. Wooodyard as 3-4 inside LB???....I don't think so. I still am not convinced he is a starter on a 4-3 defense let alone ILB.

housemouse
12-18-2008, 06:13 PM
What your doing here is changing the whole team to be a 3-4 in one draft.

This mock is also solely based on Clint, why the **** would we change our whole defense just because we draft one guy?

stnzed
12-18-2008, 06:33 PM
If you're changing this team to a 3-4 in one draft you better keep your pick and take Cody yourself (Although, I don't know if Cody has done enough to go from Juco to a 1st round Junior NT in one season anyway).......

-Rod-
12-18-2008, 07:09 PM
We need a draft based on our 4-3 defense, and I think we have enough undersized defensive players. If we gonna draft a DT, then choose a big, strong, mean one. Raji, Cody, that's how you boost our defensive sieve.

SDSU#1
12-18-2008, 09:51 PM
This whole, "draft for a 3-4" is stupid and needs to stop.

GridironChamp
12-19-2008, 12:29 AM
I hate William Moore....I would rather have Taylor Mays but that doesnt change the fact that William Moore is a 1st round prospect :rolleyes:

Mays' stock is based alot more on hype than Moore's is. (for mindfield as well)

All draft prospects are is hype, just some have a 2 door jap car (Moore) and
others have trains (Spikes and Mays).

Broncosinindy
12-19-2008, 01:05 AM
The E fight is on! when do we get to see the real fisticuffs muahahha

broncofansd
12-21-2008, 11:04 AM
Yes here we go again!!!! Denver Priorities going into the 2009 NFL Season.

1. Fix the Defense. DE , S , DT


2. RB Denver's only glaring need on OFFENSE is RB.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Denver Broncos have the #2 OFFENSE in the NFL with the #29th Defense. Mike Shanahan knows he needs to fix the Defense and goes and signs 2 Veteran Defensive Players.

_______________Albert Haynesworth------5 years $85 million has 51 Tackles and 8.5 SACKS from the DT spot. IMMEDIATELY improves our Defense.


______________Brian Dawkins------------3 year $15 million Veteran Safety who has 65 Tackles and 2 Sacks and 1 INT. If you think he can't play you need to watch a Philly game. Pairing him with Josh Barrett forms a excellent Safety duo.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Players Cut

Boss Bailey------------------Injury prone LB
Darrell Jackson--------------Waste of money , rather have Glen Martinez.
Marlon McCree--------------replaced by Dawkins
Selvin Young----------------never healthy just not a #1 RB
Niko Koutouvides------------heck Woodyard is better at LB and Special Teams

__________________________________________________ _______________

Using Walterfootball's Mock Draft as reference
http://walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

2009 NFL Draft-------------Denver currently has the 16th Pick----The Broncos after addressing the Safety and DT position now focus on the next 2 Glaring needs DE and RB.


1st ROUND PICK------Knowson Moreno-----------RB Georgia Moreno is a blend of Terrell Davis and Ladanian Thomlison. Explosive , Fast and always moving forward(ala Davis). He steps in and gives Denver a Explosive Running back for years.

2nd ROUND PICK-----Tyson Jackson-------------DE LSU Jackson 6'4" 295lbs DE who will replace Engelberger. This HUGE DE will come in and give us a good young DE who can stuff the run and still produce some Sacks 4.5 2008 , 3.5 in 2007 and 8.5 in 2006.


3rd ROUND PICK------Ramses Barden-------------WR Caly Poly At 6'6" 224lbs Caught 18 TD's this year and Denver will slid Royal into the SLOT position and put Marshall and Barden on the outside.


4th ROUND PICK------Kevin Ellison----------------SS USC 6'1" 228lbs Very good safety to groom behind Dawkins in a couple of years.


5th ROUND PICK(SEATTLE via Colbert trade)-------Robert Ayers-----DE Tennesee 6'3" 270lbs DE who is a excellent young DE.


5th ROUND PICK----------------------------------DeAndre Levy----OLB Wisconsin 6'3" 238lbs Big and Fast LB who will be solid Special Teams player.

__________________________________________________ _______________

By signing Albert Haynesworth and Brian Dawkins Denver UPGRADES its Defense Dramatically.

Haynesworth ----8.5 Sacks at the DT Position
Dawkins---------Hard hitting Safety who will team with Barrett to put fear into WR's.

Draft K. Moreno who reminds me of Davis/Thomlinson is the Final Piece of Denver's Offense which is #2 in the NFL. Moreno will elevate our run game from 16th to TOP 5 immediately. Opening up the Play Action Pass and Making Jay's job much easier.


Tyson Jackson----Will team with Haynesworth/Robertson/Dumervill to put alot more pressure on QB's


R. Barden---------at 6'6" is said to be a true #2 WR to Marshall at #1 and Royal at the Slot(I believe that Stokley might retire concussion problems)

Any thoughts

broncos SB2010
12-21-2008, 06:18 PM
Yes here we go again!!!! Denver Priorities going into the 2009 NFL Season.

1. Fix the Defense. DE , S , DT


2. RB Denver's only glaring need on OFFENSE is RB.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Denver Broncos have the #2 OFFENSE in the NFL with the #29th Defense. Mike Shanahan knows he needs to fix the Defense and goes and signs 2 Veteran Defensive Players.

_______________Albert Haynesworth------5 years $85 million has 51 Tackles and 8.5 SACKS from the DT spot. IMMEDIATELY improves our Defense.


______________Brian Dawkins------------3 year $15 million Veteran Safety who has 65 Tackles and 2 Sacks and 1 INT. If you think he can't play you need to watch a Philly game. Pairing him with Josh Barrett forms a excellent Safety duo.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Players Cut

Boss Bailey------------------Injury prone LB
Darrell Jackson--------------Waste of money , rather have Glen Martinez.
Marlon McCree--------------replaced by Dawkins
Selvin Young----------------never healthy just not a #1 RB
Niko Koutouvides------------heck Woodyard is better at LB and Special Teams

__________________________________________________ _______________

Using Walterfootball's Mock Draft as reference
http://walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

2009 NFL Draft-------------Denver currently has the 16th Pick----The Broncos after addressing the Safety and DT position now focus on the next 2 Glaring needs DE and RB.


1st ROUND PICK------Knowson Moreno-----------RB Georgia Moreno is a blend of Terrell Davis and Ladanian Thomlison. Explosive , Fast and always moving forward(ala Davis). He steps in and gives Denver a Explosive Running back for years.

2nd ROUND PICK-----Tyson Jackson-------------DE LSU Jackson 6'4" 295lbs DE who will replace Engelberger. This HUGE DE will come in and give us a good young DE who can stuff the run and still produce some Sacks 4.5 2008 , 3.5 in 2007 and 8.5 in 2006.


3rd ROUND PICK------Ramses Barden-------------WR Caly Poly At 6'6" 224lbs Caught 18 TD's this year and Denver will slid Royal into the SLOT position and put Marshall and Barden on the outside.


4th ROUND PICK------Kevin Ellison----------------SS USC 6'1" 228lbs Very good safety to groom behind Dawkins in a couple of years.


5th ROUND PICK(SEATTLE via Colbert trade)-------Robert Ayers-----DE Tennesee 6'3" 270lbs DE who is a excellent young DE.


5th ROUND PICK----------------------------------DeAndre Levy----OLB Wisconsin 6'3" 238lbs Big and Fast LB who will be solid Special Teams player.

__________________________________________________ _______________

By signing Albert Haynesworth and Brian Dawkins Denver UPGRADES its Defense Dramatically.

Haynesworth ----8.5 Sacks at the DT Position
Dawkins---------Hard hitting Safety who will team with Barrett to put fear into WR's.

Draft K. Moreno who reminds me of Davis/Thomlinson is the Final Piece of Denver's Offense which is #2 in the NFL. Moreno will elevate our run game from 16th to TOP 5 immediately. Opening up the Play Action Pass and Making Jay's job much easier.


Tyson Jackson----Will team with Haynesworth/Robertson/Dumervill to put alot more pressure on QB's


R. Barden---------at 6'6" is said to be a true #2 WR to Marshall at #1 and Royal at the Slot(I believe that Stokley might retire concussion problems)

Any thoughts












This Ayers who on Walter says will be a FA you want to draft in the 5th round and say you use Walter for info????? And your stats about him aren't even the same.

Robert Ayers, Tennessee -
Height: 6-3. Weight: 260. Projected 40 Time: 4.72. Projected Round (2009): FA.

Max Power
12-21-2008, 06:20 PM
How many more mocks can we expect from you, from now until the draft? Just a rough estimate will suffice.

broncofansd
12-21-2008, 06:22 PM
OK smart butt!!!! AYERS is rated on NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com as a 4th-5th ROUND PICK.


That is all you have. You need to come up with more than that.

After watching his Broncos lose to BUFFALO I don't doubt that SHANAHAN will go after a couple of Free agents on DEFENSE. ROOKIES rarely have a great impact on DEFENSE.

So getting HAYNESWORTH AND DAWKINS would be HUGE. It might not be those 2 guys but DENVER will go after a couple of good FA's on DEFENSE.

YOU = TOOL

housemouse
12-21-2008, 06:23 PM
This Ayers who on Walter says will be a FA you want to draft in the 5th round and say you use Walter for info????? And your stats about him aren't even the same.

Robert Ayers, Tennessee -
Height: 6-3. Weight: 260. Projected 40 Time: 4.72. Projected Round (2009): FA.
Fail >_<



How many more mocks can we expect from you, from now until the draft? Just a rough estimate will suffice.
How many lick does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
The world may never know..

broncofansd
12-22-2008, 12:37 AM
Really simple if you don't like my mock drafts????


DON'T READ THEM.

DON'T ASK HOW MANY MORE!!!!


JUST DON'T READ THEM OK

Broncosinindy
12-22-2008, 07:14 AM
Dont worry fellas. the people over at FF loved him last year. now were stuck with him this year. no way around it. But i will give credit his mocks look alot better then some i have seen. I like bardens potential but a third round pick on a wideout. WR is not that high on my list of needs.

broncofansd
12-22-2008, 07:50 AM
I think everyone who watched the Broncos/Buffalo yesterday knows that Shanahan is going to have to get some Veteran Talent on Defense.

Denver has drafted well these last couple of years except at DE. But for them to go to the next level they need 1-2 Difference Makers. Ala HAYNESWWORTH/DAWKINS. Rookies aren't going to come in and make any real difference.

Knowshon Moreno will make a HUGE IMPACT at RB.

Tyson Jackson will be a upgrade over Engelberger.

Barden will give Jay Cutler another huge target.

Ellison will eventually be a very good Safety in the NFL.

Max Power
12-22-2008, 09:15 AM
Really simple if you don't like my mock drafts????


DON'T READ THEM.

DON'T ASK HOW MANY MORE!!!!


JUST DON'T READ THEM OK


Personally, I love your mocks dude. I wish you would post a new one every hour. Seriously, just flood the forum with them, as your mocks are more important than threads made by anybody else.

:salute!:

underrated29
12-22-2008, 10:08 AM
im not going to play Mr. poopie pants about getting haynesworth and dawkins. So instead i will just roll with it.....

RB- Moreno- WE DO NOT NEED A RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the first 4 rds.!!!!!!!

Our system cant utilize speed guys, it utilizes power, moreno has speed and balance, not speed and power. NO GOOD FOR US! especially when we have 9 runnigback on our roster, we dont need another one.

We also do not need a wideout in the 3rd. OUr defense blows, and WR does not help that fact. We have great depth there.

So what if Djax sucks, brandon, royal dont, neither does graham, and scheff, and we also have chad jackson and martinez. No WR please, unless they can PR/KR.

The rest sounds good except i did not see anything to adress MLB. IMO our biggest weakness besides S.

If we get dawkins, then rd 1 should be a MLB (larinitus,spikes) i dont care, but webster absolutely sucks, and he will be a backup next year guranteed.

in rd 3, maybe OLB, Guard, or CB- but if you go OLB, then in the 5th? maybe then would be a good time for a WR/KR


just my opinion....I am no expert. But i dont like 2 offensive players in the first 3, when imo we should get a MLB,S,DE/DT in the first 3.

Den615
12-22-2008, 11:14 AM
Yes here we go again!!!! Denver Priorities going into the 2009 NFL Season.

1. Fix the Defense. DE , S , DT


2. RB Denver's only glaring need on OFFENSE is RB.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Denver Broncos have the #2 OFFENSE in the NFL with the #29th Defense. Mike Shanahan knows he needs to fix the Defense and goes and signs 2 Veteran Defensive Players.

_______________Albert Haynesworth------5 years $85 million has 51 Tackles and 8.5 SACKS from the DT spot. IMMEDIATELY improves our Defense.


______________Brian Dawkins------------3 year $15 million Veteran Safety who has 65 Tackles and 2 Sacks and 1 INT. If you think he can't play you need to watch a Philly game. Pairing him with Josh Barrett forms a excellent Safety duo.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Players Cut

Boss Bailey------------------Injury prone LB
Darrell Jackson--------------Waste of money , rather have Glen Martinez.
Marlon McCree--------------replaced by Dawkins
Selvin Young----------------never healthy just not a #1 RB
Niko Koutouvides------------heck Woodyard is better at LB and Special Teams

__________________________________________________ _______________

Using Walterfootball's Mock Draft as reference
http://walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

2009 NFL Draft-------------Denver currently has the 16th Pick----The Broncos after addressing the Safety and DT position now focus on the next 2 Glaring needs DE and RB.


1st ROUND PICK------Knowson Moreno-----------RB Georgia Moreno is a blend of Terrell Davis and Ladanian Thomlison. Explosive , Fast and always moving forward(ala Davis). He steps in and gives Denver a Explosive Running back for years.

2nd ROUND PICK-----Tyson Jackson-------------DE LSU Jackson 6'4" 295lbs DE who will replace Engelberger. This HUGE DE will come in and give us a good young DE who can stuff the run and still produce some Sacks 4.5 2008 , 3.5 in 2007 and 8.5 in 2006.


3rd ROUND PICK------Ramses Barden-------------WR Caly Poly At 6'6" 224lbs Caught 18 TD's this year and Denver will slid Royal into the SLOT position and put Marshall and Barden on the outside.


4th ROUND PICK------Kevin Ellison----------------SS USC 6'1" 228lbs Very good safety to groom behind Dawkins in a couple of years.


5th ROUND PICK(SEATTLE via Colbert trade)-------Robert Ayers-----DE Tennesee 6'3" 270lbs DE who is a excellent young DE.


5th ROUND PICK----------------------------------DeAndre Levy----OLB Wisconsin 6'3" 238lbs Big and Fast LB who will be solid Special Teams player.

__________________________________________________ _______________

By signing Albert Haynesworth and Brian Dawkins Denver UPGRADES its Defense Dramatically.

Haynesworth ----8.5 Sacks at the DT Position
Dawkins---------Hard hitting Safety who will team with Barrett to put fear into WR's.

Draft K. Moreno who reminds me of Davis/Thomlinson is the Final Piece of Denver's Offense which is #2 in the NFL. Moreno will elevate our run game from 16th to TOP 5 immediately. Opening up the Play Action Pass and Making Jay's job much easier.


Tyson Jackson----Will team with Haynesworth/Robertson/Dumervill to put alot more pressure on QB's


R. Barden---------at 6'6" is said to be a true #2 WR to Marshall at #1 and Royal at the Slot(I believe that Stokley might retire concussion problems)

Any thoughts











it is very unlikely that boss will get cut...there havent been many successfull cases with microfracture surgery in the nfl...but both kenyon martin and amare stoudemire had it done in the nba, and it was atleast 2 years befor they were back to normal

so my guess is that boss will start the season on the PUP list and we'll see where things go from there

and this isnt a bad mock, but i would rather have us draft a mlb or safety(and not sign dawkins) in round one, and then draft a guy like james davis in the 3rd instead of a WR:salute!:

broncofansd
12-29-2008, 03:21 PM
Denver now has the 12th Pick in the NFL Draft.


Trade Idea using Drafttek.com's recent mock draft 12-29-08.

Denver Trades it's 1st Round Pick(12th) to New England Patriots for it's 1st , 2nd (via S.Diego) and 5th Round Pick. New England then selects CB Malcom Jenkins Ohio St.


__________________________________________________ _______________

1st Round Pick approx(24th Pick)-----------------Rey Maualuga ILB USC

2nd Round Pick----------------------------------Patrick Chung SS Oregon

2nd Round Pick(New England)--------------------Ron Brace DT Boston College

3rd Round Pick----------------------------------Shonn Greene RB Iowa

4th Round Pick----------------------------------Kevin Ellison S USC


It would be alot easier to do this once we know which FA's we get on DEFENSE

I want Albert Haynesworth , Brian Dawkins , Jonathon Vilma , Dwan Landry, Terrell Suggs any 2 out of those would be great

WinFirst
12-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Great idea and right on point for where we need to spend our time and $$.

The key to this would be picking up a veteran like Vilma or Suggs. We miss Al Wilson big time.

Do you think getting three picks back for the #12 seems a bit far-fetched?

housemouse
12-29-2008, 03:42 PM
1st Round Pick approx(24th Pick)-----------------Rey Maualuga ILB USC
He's a bigger version of Nate Webster (credit to whoever said this)



3rd Round Pick----------------------------------Shonn Greene RB Iowa
He'll be a early 2nd rounder.

Den615
12-29-2008, 03:45 PM
i think there should be some king of petition to only allow you (broncofanstd) to post 1 mock a week....seriously you've posted 2 already today!

Bronco_Loc505
12-29-2008, 04:03 PM
I say post as many mocks as you want I like seeing new ideas I just can't stand the bold. Stop putting everything in bold.

I think the only reason to trade back is if Mays isn't on the board at 12 if he is off the board I say we trade back and take Spikes Maualuga is a 3-4 LB and won't be of much help to us again credit to whoever said he's like a bigger Nate Webster

Chung is a fine pick if we end up with an LB in the first and Greene is a high 2nd rounder especially if Cincy or Cleveland don't take Well or Moreno.

Snarfalicious
12-29-2008, 04:16 PM
Getting Rey Maualuga with the 24th pick (if that trade happened) would be a pretty big reach. Saints will be looking for that impact MLB at the 15th pick and if Maualuga is there he will be their target. In all honesty, the comparisons to him as a bigger Nate Webster are pretty farfetched. The main thing with Webster is he tries to get away with the big-hit at his frame, which doesn't work at the pro level. Maualuga not only puts himself into good position, he uses his size and power to his advantage to set the tone of his hits. You can't fault the guy for trying to lay a big blow when 9/10 he completes the tackle, whereas Webster is more of a 4-5/10 tackle kind of guy, which we all have seen (hopefully for the last time). Maualuga will be the same type of player that Al Wilson was, one who makes his presence known, and in a big way.