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Soldier96B
01-31-2008, 11:45 PM
CBSSportsline.com has done a mock draft. they sugest that Denver will take DeSean Jackson WR, California with the 12th pick. They have got to be kidding me, right? Why in the heck would we take a flipping WR instead of Kenny Phillips. Who by the way they say will get picked by the Panthers with the 13th pick. The experts who did the mock draft must not watch football too often.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10606857


DeSean Jackson, WR, California: Brandon Marshall is an emerging star, but without a legitimate speed threat opposite him, opposing defenses will find ways to limit his effectiveness given an off-season to adjust. Jackson would keep defenses honest and, just as important, give the Broncos a dangerous return specialist.

rockrules40
02-01-2008, 12:28 AM
this is my biggest fear, that shanny will draft a speed WR who will only be good for kick returning in the NFL.

BroncoKazuki
02-01-2008, 12:37 AM
Jackson is over-rated and I rather have a RB who will force the Defense to play forward giving more miss-matches for Scheff, Marshall and maybe our 2nd and 3rd round WR. (Earl Bennett, Eddie Royal ect)

BroncoManiac_69
02-01-2008, 12:52 AM
I agree that Marshall is an "emerging star" and would bennefit the use of another big time young speed WR opposite of him.

Drafting a wide receiver in this situation wouldn't make any sense at all.

These mock drafts shouldn't get everyone so up tight.

I am hoping this pick is used wisely on defense.

theshiverman
02-01-2008, 01:14 AM
CBSSportsline.com has done a mock draft. they sugest that Denver will take DeSean Jackson WR, California with the 12th pick. They have got to be kidding me, right? Why in the heck would we take a flipping WR instead of Kenny Phillips. Who by the way they say will get picked by the Panthers with the 13th pick. The experts who did the mock draft must not watch football too often.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10606857


DeSean Jackson, WR, California: Brandon Marshall is an emerging star, but without a legitimate speed threat opposite him, opposing defenses will find ways to limit his effectiveness given an off-season to adjust. Jackson would keep defenses honest and, just as important, give the Broncos a dangerous return specialist.

I would hate to see them draft a WR with their first round pick, that defense needs so much help, if they want a WR then just get one in Free Agency.......heres some.....


Randy Moss, UFA, New England Patriots
With the help of quarterback Tom Brady, Moss has absolutely dominated opposing defenses this season. He looks to be better than the Randy Moss of old, and his 91 receptions for 1,393 yards bears it out. He has also racked up 21 touchdowns, just one shy of Jerry Rice’s record with one game left to play. If the Patriots can go all the way and Moss continues to be productive without stirring up controversy—it seems likely—the team will shell out the money to keep him in town, and Moss could easily decide that he likes New England’s winning ways. If Moss were to leave New England, he’d be in for a huge pay day.

Bernard Berrian, UFA, Chicago Bears
Berrian was able to put together a decent season in ’06 and even with considerable quarterback issues in Chicago, he has been able to tally 920 yards and four touchdowns in ’07. At 27 years of age, Berrian is still young and may have several strong seasons left in him. His speed make him a deep threat, and as he has developed his game, he’s become a more known weapon in the game. More than a few teams would line up for his services if he doesn’t sign an extension with the Bears.

Patrick Crayton, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
With 516 receiving yards and four touchdowns in 2006, Patrick Crayton showed the Cowboys that they may have found Terry Glenn’s eventual replacement. Crayton had solid numbers for the role he was given as the third option, but he showed signs of being a potential number two. With Glenn out for 2007 because of injury, Crayton was asked to do even more, and he has come through with 689 receiving yards and seven touchdowns. The Cowboys will likely look to lock him up for the future, but if he does hit the market, his speed and hands will certainly receive some attention.

Bryant Johnson, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Johnson flew under the radar once again this season, but those in the know consider him fairly talented. He’s overshadowed by star receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, but Johnson runs great routes, has good hands, and at 6’3” his size makes him an appealing option. He’s caught at least 35 passes in each of his four seasons, including 49 receptions in 2004, and has a touchdown scored in each season, with four coming in ’06. Although he has had a drop-off in production this season, Johnson will likely find a bigger role in another offense in ’08.

Drew Carter, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Carter hasn’t racked up yards by any means, but he has tended to be a decent passing weapon in the red zone. Carter has good size and runs fairly good routes. He’s out-produced receiver Keary Colbert, and he’s played like the number two behind Steve Smith. With Dwayne Jarrett waiting in the wings, Carter could be on the out, or he could be retained as a third option at best. A number two spot is something Carter will probably desire at this point in his career, and a team looking to compliment a speedy number one will consider him. Chances are that he remains no more than third receiver.

Andre' Davis UFA Houston Texans
The Virginia Tech product hasn’t had the chance to play a whole lot during his career until an early season injury to Andre Johnson opened the door to more playing time. Davis responded with several solid performances, including a 117-yard effort with a score in week four against Atlanta. He currently has 563 receiving yards and three touchdowns on the season, and although Johnson’s return will cut into his opportunities greatly, Davis has still been able to impress as a return man on special teams. His 734 kickoff return yards with a score will encourage the Texans to keep Davis in Houston.

Justin Gage UFA Tennessee Titans
Gage seems to be growing into one of quarterback Vince Young’s more reliable targets in recent weeks. He broke through with seven receptions for 90 yards—and a highlight grab in the endzone— during week ten against a good Jacksonville defensive unit. Gage followed that up with six receptions for 66 yards in a Monday Night game against Denver. Gage has good size and athleticism, and while he has struggled to hold onto the ball at all times, so has the entire team. He’s amassed 646 receiving yards and two scores thus far. If he can overcome the bad habits the receiving group has developed, he could be in for a decent contract extension.

Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Henderson has struggled to build on the strong 2006 season, as have most of the Saints’ players. He posted 745 receiving yards and five touchdowns in ’06, and has followed it up with 409 yards and three scores with one game left. Henderson is a fast, athletic receiver, but his size will keep him from being a top-level option. Still, Henderson can serve as a strong third receiver and a decent second spot option. He should still receive attention from a handful of teams

Antonio Chatman UFA Cincinnati Bengals
Keary Colbert UFA Carolina Panthers
Terrance Copper UFA New Orleans Saints
Malcom Floyd RFA San Diego Chargers
Doug Gabriel UFA Oakland Raiders
D.J. Hackett UFA Seattle Seahawks
Az-Zahir Hakim UFA Miami Dolphins
Taylor Jacobs UFA Washington Redskins Broncos signed
Jerome Mathis RFA Houston Texans
Samie Parker UFA Kansas City Chiefs
David Patten UFA New Orleans Saints
Marcus Robinson UFA Detroit Lions

BroncoManiac_69
02-01-2008, 01:26 AM
Looking at a WR situation you have posted here, this is one that pops out to me big time:


Drew Carter, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Carter hasn’t racked up yards by any means, but he has tended to be a decent passing weapon in the red zone. Carter has good size and runs fairly good routes. He’s out-produced receiver Keary Colbert, and he’s played like the number two behind Steve Smith. With Dwayne Jarrett waiting in the wings, Carter could be on the out, or he could be retained as a third option at best. A number two spot is something Carter will probably desire at this point in his career, and a team looking to compliment a speedy number one will consider him. Chances are that he remains no more than third receiver.


Third receiver is fine but red zone and third down clutch catches seem to be this kid's highlights.

That is if we use a WR as a priority.

Which we shouldn't. However...

With the concept of totally rebuilding the WR core, not a bad guy to have.

But, back to the original problem at hand

Draft Defense Dam It

axx
02-01-2008, 01:37 AM
i would be suprised, shocked to say the least if we pick him up at 12. The only way i see this happening is if he has a freak combine and Shanahan falls inlove with him interms of work ethic/personality the least he wants is another Lelie? Or he mite stay away completely with Lelie in the back of his mind with a bust bubble over his head :cheers:

axx
02-01-2008, 01:39 AM
I believe a stronger running game will benefit Marshall if anything(RASHAD MENDENHALL) no chance shanahan will pick jackson over mendenhall dont care what round they fall too 1st,2nd what ever the case. A RB will always be more important than a wr.

broncolee
02-01-2008, 04:11 AM
With the Broncos likely to release Walker, they need a receiver that can take the double teams away from Marshall. Not only that, but they will need a deep threat also, which Marshall isn't, yet. They also need help on special teams. Thanks to Devin Hester, players that are expected to excel as returners have a lot more value than in the past. Jackson's potential as a receiver and a returner make him a tempting pick for any team in need of both skills. The Broncos are such a team.

My preference for an offensive pick would be a tackle. My preference for defense, with Ellis and Dorsey out of reach, is Keith Rivers at OLB. However, I would not be disappointed if they took DeSean Jackson.

TheRealMoose
02-01-2008, 08:02 AM
Can we please stop putting stock in a bunch of MOCK DRAFTS? PLEASE???

There are about 10 million of them online, all of them saying something different... and all except this one seem to think that we'll be going after a bigger need area, like OL or DL or S. Not WR.

:coffee:

xX-Bronco-Xx
02-01-2008, 08:04 AM
Sign Bernard Berrian and the deep threat problem is solved.

I know it's easier said then done but I really hope Shanahan makes this deal.

_Bubba_
02-01-2008, 08:11 AM
I will be the new head of the fire Shanahan/Sunquist association if the Broncos do this.:brick:

Maybe they should consider drafting a QB or TE in the second while they are at it. :rolleyes:

Bronkster
02-01-2008, 08:24 AM
We have our deep threat in Javon... Just show him some love and let him know he is wanted in Denver.

xX-Bronco-Xx
02-01-2008, 08:24 AM
We have our deep threat in Javon... Just show him some love and let him know he is wanted in Denver.

He is most likely gone.

silkamilkamonic
02-01-2008, 09:15 AM
I like it.

Jackson's going to be uncoveable in the NFL.

Phillips is overrated, and arguably wouldn't even be a first round talent in next year's pool of safety's.

_Bubba_
02-01-2008, 09:32 AM
I like it.

Jackson's going to be uncoveable in the NFL.

Phillips is overrated, and arguably wouldn't even be a first round talent in next year's pool of safety's.

If who is available at 12 is a reach then Denver should trade back. They have more pressing needs than WR.

silkamilkamonic
02-01-2008, 09:33 AM
If who is available at 12 is a reach then Denver should trade back. They have more pressing needs than WR.

I can most definetely agree with that.

Warhawk
02-01-2008, 10:00 AM
If who is available at 12 is a reach then Denver should trade back. They have more pressing needs than WR.

The term "reach" is generally used when you draft for need at the expense of value. DeSean Jackson would be the opposite - he's fine value at 12, but the need isn't there.

I know it wouldn't be a popular pick, but it is very much a possibility. I can see Shanahan getting enamored with Jackson's speed and potential in the return game... something the team has lacked for quite a while now.

_Bubba_
02-01-2008, 10:34 AM
The term "reach" is generally used when you draft for need at the expense of value. DeSean Jackson would be the opposite - he's fine value at 12, but the need isn't there.

I know it wouldn't be a popular pick, but it is very much a possibility. I can see Shanahan getting enamored with Jackson's speed and potential in the return game... something the team has lacked for quite a while now.

My response about "reach" was in regards to what silk said he felt about Phillips...not Jackson.

Drafting a WR is not going to help the Broncos' atrocius defense, nor will it fix the offensive line that protects the guy who will get Jackson the ball. Cutler has to have time to get Jackson the ball...he rarely had time to get the ball to his WRs last year. That wouldn't change this year without an upgrade to the o-line.

The d-line and o-line are the heart of the two units. To continue to ignore them for glamor positions will only continue the trend of Denver's mediocrity. No matter how good of players Denver has at QB, WR, RB, LB, or CB... without fixing the o and d lines the team will continue to suck.

Ravage!!!
02-01-2008, 10:45 AM
The only way taking a WR at 12 is a 'possibility' is simply because its one of the positions that is available to draft. Other than that, there is really absolutely NO CHANCE that we use our first round pick on a #2 WR.

Warhawk
02-01-2008, 12:14 PM
The only way taking a WR at 12 is a 'possibility' is simply because its one of the positions that is available to draft. Other than that, there is really absolutely NO CHANCE that we use our first round pick on a #2 WR.

I would like to believe that, but it simply isn't true. If Walker leaves then the potential is definitely there. I don't think too many Miami fans expected Ginn last year... but it still happened.

I think the "danger" in this pick comes from the KR aspect - Shanahan's been on the receiving end of it enough to know that it can make a difference.

Do I want it to happen? No way. Unfortunately, the front office doesn't let me make those kinds of decisions... <grin>

gyldenlove
02-01-2008, 12:50 PM
Patrick Crayton, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
With 516 receiving yards and four touchdowns in 2006, Patrick Crayton showed the Cowboys that they may have found Terry Glenn’s eventual replacement. Crayton had solid numbers for the role he was given as the third option, but he showed signs of being a potential number two. With Glenn out for 2007 because of injury, Crayton was asked to do even more, and he has come through with 689 receiving yards and seven touchdowns. The Cowboys will likely look to lock him up for the future, but if he does hit the market, his speed and hands will certainly receive some attention.

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/players/bio/?id=7367&hubname=nfl-cowboys

Crayton already signed a 4-year deal about a month and a half ago.


28-Dec-07: Signed by the Dallas Cowboys to a four-year contract extension.

So he is off the market and has been for some time.

Lomax
02-01-2008, 01:08 PM
If who is available at 12 is a reach then Denver should trade back. They have more pressing needs than WR.

I'm not a big fan of drafting for need, especially in the 1st. I believe it's better to draft for value. If Jackson is the best value, or perceived by the FO as being a steal at 12, you have to draft him.

I think DT should be shored up in FA (Haynesworth?). Leaving the role of fixing the DL in the hands of a rookie would be a mistake.

gyldenlove
02-01-2008, 01:21 PM
In the 1st round, especially when drafting as high as we are this year, drafting for value is essential. We have seen how drafting for need turns out: Willie Middlebrooks, Deltha O'neal, George Foster.

If we stay in the 12th spot, we can hope that a player like Ryan Clady falls to us, he would easily be the BPA. Keith Rivers would also be good value, not fortunately both players would be need positions as well, but a guy like Mike Jenkins could also be the best value, since CB is hardly a need for us, it would seem illogical to draft one, but it would still be the right thing to do.

Soldier96B
02-01-2008, 01:32 PM
If we take Jackson with Phillips still on the board, I will hang myself from the oldest elm tree in Evanston.

I will come join you. Something tells me so would 2/3 the city of Denver. Even if Kenny is gone we still shouldnt draft him.

Jay2Javon4life
02-01-2008, 01:40 PM
this would be just like what happened in Miami last year with Cam Cameron going Ted Ginn is a great returner and all the fans just rolled over and died...Jackson is more well rounded than Ginn but he's not gonna be able to do crap for our special teams because no one out there seems to block anyways....wasted pick imo.. Eddie Royal later on would be much better

Q_Ball22
02-01-2008, 05:39 PM
My hope is we trade back to the early 20s and gain some extra picks.

JoRo
02-01-2008, 06:16 PM
I could see us drafting Jackson, and I could see him panning out. My biggest hope is that IF we do decide to take him we trade down a lil bit, can't be alot as he is prolly one of the top 2 wideout prospects in the first range that could go... but if we got Rodgers, traded down to 15 and took him I could understand the value and "need" being there.

The comment about hanging yourself is one of the reasons I dislike this part of the offseason, you can't really hate or love a player as much as that implies because we don't watch as much tape as the scouts do.... they see stuff we don't.

stnzed
02-01-2008, 06:35 PM
I don't know if Shanahan wants a KR bad enough to draft one at 12, but I don't think Shanahan would use a high No1 pick on a WR that can't block.

DeSean Jackson is a 179lb KR/WR that can't block.

Of all patterns to break, I hope Shanahan will break his pattern of drafting late round OL first......

Schism
02-01-2008, 07:13 PM
Malcolm Kelly if he's still there at #12 would be a better pick if we're going with a 1st round WR, which I doubt we will anyway.

I'd rather get another big endzone target to compliment Marshall. Can you imagine our two primary wideouts as Kelly (6ft 4') and Marshall (6ft 5') for the next half a decade or more, not to mention Scheffler?

Jackson has a lot of bust potential, and has been said he can't really block so he's not a good fit. Just pick up a KR in the latter rounds, it's mostly our blocking that's the problem in our return game. A 4 legged Devin Hester would struggle returning kicks with our ST unit.

Much rather we went OT or RB if we go offense in the 1st, which it's looking increasingly likely the value will be unless we trade down 10 spots or more or else Dorsey or Ellis miraculously fall to the #12 spot.

AC1
02-01-2008, 09:34 PM
Jackson has a lot of bust potential, and has been said he can't really block so he's not a good fit. Just pick up a KR in the latter rounds, it's mostly our blocking that's the problem in our return game. A 4 legged Devin Hester would struggle returning kicks with our ST unit.

Much rather we went OT or RB if we go offense in the 1st, which it's looking increasingly likely the value will be unless we trade down 10 spots or more or else Dorsey or Ellis miraculously fall to the #12 spot.

I agree with your first paragraph, but surprisingly Shanahan seems to think we need a returner. This is what he said when asked about special teams -



“We defiantly need a returner. If we had the right returner that we thought we had in Andre Hall this year, I think Andre Hall would have broken three of those returns for touchdowns. I could tell you each one but you’d have to see it from the end-zone camera with his speed and agility. The thing we’re going to have to get better on is our kickoffs. I thought at the end when Todd (Sauerbrun) was released we helped ourselves there, we had more of a hang time with our kickoffs. We had to get better on our punting. Our punting was inconsistent this year so we can get some help with our kick and our special teams. We’ve got a couple guys we think that can help us that we already have on our football team that we’ll have to evaluate as time goes on.”

Doesn't mean we're picking Jackson though.

Broncosinindy
02-02-2008, 12:48 AM
Can we please stop putting stock in a bunch of MOCK DRAFTS? PLEASE???

There are about 10 million of them online, all of them saying something different... and all except this one seem to think that we'll be going after a bigger need area, like OL or DL or S. Not WR.

:coffee:

You forgot to put pat tilman in your sig. now that would be great

KWHIT97
02-02-2008, 01:08 AM
We have our deep threat in Javon... Just show him some love and let him know he is wanted in Denver.

WHO, I would rather bring Ashley Lelie back than keep Javon Walker, why should we kiss his a**?

KWHIT97
02-02-2008, 01:10 AM
I wouldn't be totally distraught if this happened, hopefully Javon is gone and we need a number 2. We are LOOOOOOOOOOOONG overdue for a good Punt returner.
I would like to see us trade down if we have our eye on this guy.
I would rather see us draft Jonathan Stewart in 1st and Eddie Royal in the 2nd!!!

Tour
02-03-2008, 10:04 AM
are you all in marijuana?

Kenny Phillips is not, and will never be a ballhawk he's overrated too. He is not a young Ed Reed nor a young Sean Taylor.

Alright Jackson is not a complete WR nether, but I'd like him better than Phillips.

I think that the best we can do, is trade down in the first round, and get Rashard Mendenhall or J Stewart.

Max Power
02-03-2008, 10:07 AM
are you all in marijuana?

what?


Kenny Phillips is not, and will never be a ballhawk he's overrated too. He is not a young Ed Reed nor a young Sean Taylor.

Maybe not, but he'll still be a solid safety in the league who should see a few Pro Bowls.

Tour
02-03-2008, 10:22 AM
Besides, I have seen WRs improving his rush blocking ability more often, than SS getting a bigger range, or getting overall smarter, or improving his ball skills.

Kenny Phillips is not even in Mel Kipers top ranked players. That bad he is (or, that not good enough he is (to be more accurate)). He is a late first round early 2nd round player.

HE IS OVERRATED!!!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index.

Max Power
02-03-2008, 10:25 AM
Besides, I have seen WRs improving his rush blocking ability more often, than SS getting a bigger range, or getting overall smarter, or improving his ball skills.

Kenny Phillips is not even in Mel Kipers top ranked players. That bad he is (or, that not good enough he is (to be more accurate)). He is a late first round early 2nd round player.

HE IS OVERRATED!!!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index.

You mean the same Mel Kiper who thought WR Mike Williams would be a future HOFer? That guy?

To get back on subject now, DeSean Jackson is a mere 172 lbs. Unless he gains about 25 lbs, he'll get killed in the NFL, especially over the middle. He'll be a one dimensional fly-route type WR. And although we could use his return skills, I doubt he'd be the next Devin Hester behind our ST blocking.

I'll take a 6'2" 215 lb safety who can run over a 6'0" 172 lb. WR who can't block anyday of the week, and twice on Sunday.

Best case scenario for DeSean Jackson, he's the next Santana Moss. Worst case = the next Peter Warrick.

Tour
02-03-2008, 10:53 AM
I know that that can change if we don't address our needs but.

In what have the Broncos struggled more in the resent years Safety playing, or kick returning?.

I know I know secondary getting old etc, something must be done, Kenny Phillips = not the answer.

Tour
02-03-2008, 10:57 AM
I know that that can change if we don't address our needs but.

In what have the Broncos struggled more in the resent years Safety playing, or kick returning?.

I know I know secondary getting old etc, something must be done, Kenny Phillips = not the answer.

I mean not at that point of the draft, it would be great draft him where he should be drafted for his ability and accomplishments i.e. the second round

Max Power
02-03-2008, 11:19 AM
Let me ask you something Tour - how many Miami games did you watch this year? How many times did you see KP give up a big play? I only recall three or four specific occasions where he was not in the right position. It's hard to make plays on the ball when the corners let the receiver run right by them most of the time. The OU game is a perfect example. Randy Phillips, starting CB for the Canes, was getting abused by Malcolm Kelly. When you have corners who can jam the receiver at the line and stick with him down the field, it's much easier for the safety to make a play on the ball. Unfortuantely for KP, that was not the case for the Miami D this year.

Despite all this, Phillips still played well enough to be 2nd on the team in tackles with 82 (only behind Tavares Gooden, who had 100 tackles) and be an All-ACC and 3rd team All American selection.

I think he could be a great player to have here covering TEs, coming up on run support, and helping our corners in coverage over the top. Phillips was more a victim of circumstance this season than his own bad play (as perceived by some people). He has the physical tools, work ethic, and knowledge to excel in the right scheme with the necessary talent around him.

He was great with Brandon Meriweather playing next to him as a freshman and sophomore, and hopefully if Abdullah develops as expected, we can see that same type of dynamic duo in the secondary for Denver for years to come.

Sorry if I don't just take Mayock and Kiper's word for it either. They have been wrong before. Mayock in particular I don't trust when it comes to projecting safeties. I recall him saying at the combine last year that both Reggie Nelson and Brandon Meriweather would be picked in the 2nd round. Needless to say, they were both 1st round selections.

He may not be the next Ed Reed or Sean Taylor, but I don't think the next Kerry Rhodes is out of the question, a very good and underrated safety for the New York Jets who is solid in all phases.

Tour
02-03-2008, 11:38 AM
I like Mayock a lot, I don't like Kipers too much, but when you have to say something about all the prospects in the draft, sometimes you go a lil bit far with your comments sometimes.

I agree with you, with what you say, but, bottom line, I don't like Phillips in the 10 - 15 overall picks in the first round.

I won't say a word about Marywaether, and the other guy, even when I could, becauseoflazinessthankyou.