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lottaphil
02-13-2008, 01:12 AM
Mock Draft
1. Kenny Phillips S – some reason his stock has fallen, which is good for us because he might still be around at #12. He’s a stud and can learn under one of the games best.
2. Dre Moore DT – Strong and quick for his size, I’d rather have Pat Sims but Moore might make a more immediate impact.
2b. (package Javon and Foxworth for a late 2nd) Earl Bennett WR – reunite him with Jay! Fast, good size, excellent chemistry with QB
4a. Titus Brown OLB – replaces Webster this year hopefully
4b. Duane Brown OT – adds depth and competition to Oline, great zone blocker
5a. Peyton Hillis FB – finally a real fullback!
5b. Mike Dragosavich P – as long as he’s ephedra free and good to our taxi drivers, he’ll be around for awhile
7a. Tony Brinkhaus C – another project from Minnesota, we should keep him like we should’ve kept Eslinger
7b. BenJarvus Green Ellis RB – big, fast, good potential

This way we spread out our picks to fill holes and add depth at almost every need position. (If Travis Henry stays, RB is not a need position) The only person we’re missing is Jordan Dizon who I think would be an impact on special teams. Hmm… Maybe we can squeeze another 5th rounder out of someone.

Eliminatrix
02-13-2008, 01:15 AM
I would be happy with that

pretty realistic nice work:rockon:

SDSU#1
02-13-2008, 01:41 AM
I like it, I only wish we could fit a RB in there since this draft is sooo loaded with RB talent. Good work though.

BroncoKazuki
02-13-2008, 02:09 AM
Mock Draft
1. Kenny Phillips S – some reason his stock has fallen, which is good for us because he might still be around at #12. He’s a stud and can learn under one of the games best.
2. Dre Moore DT – Strong and quick for his size, I’d rather have Pat Sims but Moore might make a more immediate impact.
2b. (package Javon and Foxworth for a late 2nd) Earl Bennett WR – reunite him with Jay! Fast, good size, excellent chemistry with QB
4a. Titus Brown OLB – replaces Webster this year hopefully
4b. Duane Brown OT – adds depth and competition to Oline, great zone blocker
5a. Peyton Hillis FB – finally a real fullback!
5b. Mike Dragosavich P – as long as he’s ephedra free and good to our taxi drivers, he’ll be around for awhile
7a. Tony Brinkhaus C – another project from Minnesota, we should keep him like we should’ve kept Eslinger
7b. BenJarvus Green Ellis RB – big, fast, good potential

This way we spread out our picks to fill holes and add depth at almost every need position. (If Travis Henry stays, RB is not a need position) The only person we’re missing is Jordan Dizon who I think would be an impact on special teams. Hmm… Maybe we can squeeze another 5th rounder out of someone.

Next time dont name it the "greatest" mock because all you will get is some real heat... so ready for it here it comes.

First off at 12th spot Phillips would be a reach he may even grade out to be at the bottom of the 1st round.

Dre Moore seems like a possiblity
The trade your asking is unrealistic So its either Earl or Moore. Earl will win out because of Cutler wanting his buddy in Denver. Shanahan will ablidge.

Vorbora is a better OLB prospect.

I think I can live with Brown well maybe..

we dont use FB's so Hills will most likely not be drafted by us.

Too high for a Punter- no thanks

your 7th picks... How about a big fat NO.:coffee:

Guess this is another draft that puts a ban-aid at the RB situation for another year. Yeah 1000 yards is good but 1000 yards and 7 TD's and a rank 20th scoring offense again for 3 years in the row will spell Shanahan's ending as a Bronco.

Yup this draft would be perfect if Shanahan is going to be fired so next time please read other post and learn how to value personnel instead of playing favoritism. It would save headaches for both of us

myoung
02-13-2008, 05:31 AM
There is no way Phillips is worth the #12 right now. The latest information appears to be late first round or even into the second round. Unless he grades out really well at the combine he might even be available with our second pick.

CTM
02-13-2008, 08:40 AM
There is no way Phillips is worth the #12 right now. The latest information appears to be late first round or even into the second round. Unless he grades out really well at the combine he might even be available with our second pick.

Thats why I'm in favor of trading down and picking up extra picks. Couldnt hurt. :cheers:

Max Power
02-13-2008, 09:06 AM
Pretty good. I would change Kenny Phillips to Keith Rivers and Titus Brown to a safety though.

Gr3yStreet
02-13-2008, 09:27 AM
Thats why I'm in favor of trading down and picking up extra picks. Couldnt hurt. :cheers:

I agree with that.

And its real unlikely that Phillips falls out of the first round altogether. Some one will panic like the broncos did last year and grab him before he could fall out of the first.

MHS
02-13-2008, 10:56 AM
once the combine is over phillips will most likely be a top 15 selection.

jhns
02-13-2008, 11:43 AM
Next time dont name it the "greatest" mock because all you will get is some real heat... so ready for it here it comes.

First off at 12th spot Phillips would be a reach he may even grade out to be at the bottom of the 1st round.

Dre Moore seems like a possiblity
The trade your asking is unrealistic So its either Earl or Moore. Earl will win out because of Cutler wanting his buddy in Denver. Shanahan will ablidge.

Vorbora is a better OLB prospect.

I think I can live with Brown well maybe..

we dont use FB's so Hills will most likely not be drafted by us.

Too high for a Punter- no thanks

your 7th picks... How about a big fat NO.:coffee:

Guess this is another draft that puts a ban-aid at the RB situation for another year. Yeah 1000 yards is good but 1000 yards and 7 TD's and a rank 20th scoring offense again for 3 years in the row will spell Shanahan's ending as a Bronco.

Yup this draft would be perfect if Shanahan is going to be fired so next time please read other post and learn how to value personnel instead of playing favoritism. It would save headaches for both of us

So I take it your a pro scout with that kind of answer?

Since you aren't, this post is all your opinion of stuff and you probably haven't even seen most of these players play. You apparently have no clue how to value personell either because Shannahan doesn't draft like you are saying. You reading a couple of other poster's posts, does not make you smarter than the original poster.

First off, there hasn't been a combine yet so you and I (and everyone else) have no clue about where people will be graded. I guess if this was your first draft, you would think the combine doesn't matter.

Phillips will be a top 15 pick because of his measurables. Unless he takes an injury before the combine, he will be back to his pre-senior bowl projection. I'm not even really sure as to why he has fallen in the last couple of weeks. People didn't talk about him falling during the time that he was actually playing though. Also, since when is safety not a need and not valuable? Have you seen some defenses, such as the Colts, that lose and then get back a good safety? It is a completely different defense whenever it happens.

With the second round pick, I would agree that the trade is unrealistic along with most every one that is named on these boards. Other than that, since when has Shanny ever drafted a player to please another player on the team? I highly doubt that happens. If they like the receiver, and he is the best option where we pick, then he will get picked. Cutler has no influence or say on the matter.

The rest of your post is strictly opinionated statements. I find it funny that your last 2 paragraphs try to act as though you are smart and the original poster knows nothing. It is obvious that you do not know any more than he does.

I have one thing to say about a RB on the first day. We have a TON of money being spent at the RB position right now and we have a lot of them. When in the history of Mike Shannahan have we ever spent that much on RB's? Why is it that people think we are getting a top one? Unless Travis Henry is gone by the draft or Shannahan sees the next TD, it is very unlikely that we get a RB before round 4.

broncobuss
02-13-2008, 12:05 PM
Mock Draft
1. Kenny Phillips S – some reason his stock has fallen, which is good for us because he might still be around at #12. He’s a stud and can learn under one of the games best.
2. Dre Moore DT – Strong and quick for his size, I’d rather have Pat Sims but Moore might make a more immediate impact.
2b. (package Javon and Foxworth for a late 2nd) Earl Bennett WR – reunite him with Jay! Fast, good size, excellent chemistry with QB
4a. Titus Brown OLB – replaces Webster this year hopefully
4b. Duane Brown OT – adds depth and competition to Oline, great zone blocker
5a. Peyton Hillis FB – finally a real fullback!
5b. Mike Dragosavich P – as long as he’s ephedra free and good to our taxi drivers, he’ll be around for awhile
7a. Tony Brinkhaus C – another project from Minnesota, we should keep him like we should’ve kept Eslinger
7b. BenJarvus Green Ellis RB – big, fast, good potential

This way we spread out our picks to fill holes and add depth at almost every need position. (If Travis Henry stays, RB is not a need position) The only person we’re missing is Jordan Dizon who I think would be an impact on special teams. Hmm… Maybe we can squeeze another 5th rounder out of someone.

Not bad, but I think its a way better chance to get another 2nd round pick by trading down in the 1st than it is by trading walker and foxworth, we might be able to get both of dallas's 1st round picks if we trade down with them,(as long as its not for Mcfadden). but phillips in the 1st after we drop back is a good pick, and the late OL I like.

MindField
02-13-2008, 12:10 PM
There is no way Phillips is worth the #12 right now. The latest information appears to be late first round or even into the second round. Unless he grades out really well at the combine he might even be available with our second pick.

If this is true, it is a case of scouts thinking too much...just like they did with Ed Reed. Phillips is a straight playa...so he had a mediocre Jr. year; so did the entire Hurricane team that was recovering from the turmoil surrounding the program. Randy Shannon had an incredible job to do just to turn around the culture that had set in on the program.

Bottom Line, I am a Hurricane alum, watch all their games, and I would be very suprised if Kenny Phillips was not a Pro Bowl player in the NFL. He is that talented.

To me, Phillips is defintely a Top 15 pick, and I have no doubt, like Brandon Meriweather, he will be on the rise after the Combine, where his incredible athleticism will be on dislplay, and without the 'character issue' stigma Merriweather had...and I can tell you this, Phillips is a much better player than Brandon Meriweather.

I would be thrilled with Phillips as the #12 pick, especially if Lynch comes back and has a year to tutor him.

I look at Phillips the same as Steve Atwater who was thought to be a 'reach' where we took him, and not as good a prospect as Louis Oliver, but he turned out to be great and every bit worth the selection.

I am a big Kenny Phillips fan, and I think he is going to be a great pro, and really is one of the few that has true Pro Bowl potential of any of the so-called first round prospects.

elevation INC
02-13-2008, 01:03 PM
not a bad draft, however i would take dizon or vorbora before titus brown , and i think the trade is very unlikely, not to many teams will want both, perhaps fox for a 4th and javon for a future pick, but unless something happens this month javon is being realesed before march 1st, also i agree with hills not being a target, its just not shannys style...doesnt mean it wont happen but histroy is not on the side of us taking hills. interesting picks at 7

KWHIT97
02-13-2008, 01:09 PM
[QUOTE=BroncoKazuki;2104721]Next time dont name it the "greatest" mock because all you will get is some real heat... so ready for it here it comes.

First off at 12th spot Phillips would be a reach he may even grade out to be at the bottom of the 1st round.

Dre Moore seems like a possiblity
The trade your asking is unrealistic So its either Earl or Moore. Earl will win out because of Cutler wanting his buddy in Denver. Shanahan will ablidge.

Vorbora is a better OLB prospect.

I think I can live with Brown well maybe..

we dont use FB's so Hills will most likely not be drafted by us.

One other lesson you should learn lotaphil is Kazuki will never agree with anything you post, although he doesn't do any of his own mocks for people to make fun of, he just likes to disagree with everone else.

Solid mock and very, what's the popular sayings in here UNMADDENLIKE, I think Phillips might be a bit of a reach and I would rather see a RB in the 1st and maybe DaJuan Morgan or Jamar Adams later, but overrall good effort!

22cannon
02-13-2008, 01:55 PM
I think people are giving you a hard time for Kenny Philips at #12. I don't think that is much of a reach...I think we'd be lucky if he's still available there.

I won't change my mind on him till the combine and his performance drops there.

lancane
02-13-2008, 02:45 PM
I think people are giving you a hard time for Kenny Philips at #12. I don't think that is much of a reach...I think we'd be lucky if he's still available there.

I won't change my mind on him till the combine and his performance drops there.

He has already been dropped by both Kiper and Mayock, it does not get much worse then that! Sorry but I will tell you that what those two say and especially when they agree is very likely to be true...no matter what anyone on this board thinks...Phillips will likely go to someone in the twenty something area, if not fall into the top of the second. The problem is that too many on these boards are listening to too many online draft sites who do not have that credibility such as Mayock, Kiper or McShay.

BroncoKazuki
02-13-2008, 02:54 PM
So I take it your a pro scout with that kind of answer?

Since you aren't, this post is all your opinion of stuff and you probably haven't even seen most of these players play. You apparently have no clue how to value personell either because Shannahan doesn't draft like you are saying. You reading a couple of other poster's posts, does not make you smarter than the original poster.

First off, there hasn't been a combine yet so you and I (and everyone else) have no clue about where people will be graded. I guess if this was your first draft, you would think the combine doesn't matter.

Phillips will be a top 15 pick because of his measurables. Unless he takes an injury before the combine, he will be back to his pre-senior bowl projection. I'm not even really sure as to why he has fallen in the last couple of weeks. People didn't talk about him falling during the time that he was actually playing though. Also, since when is safety not a need and not valuable? Have you seen some defenses, such as the Colts, that lose and then get back a good safety? It is a completely different defense whenever it happens.

With the second round pick, I would agree that the trade is unrealistic along with most every one that is named on these boards. Other than that, since when has Shanny ever drafted a player to please another player on the team? I highly doubt that happens. If they like the receiver, and he is the best option where we pick, then he will get picked. Cutler has no influence or say on the matter.

The rest of your post is strictly opinionated statements. I find it funny that your last 2 paragraphs try to act as though you are smart and the original poster knows nothing. It is obvious that you do not know any more than he does.

I have one thing to say about a RB on the first day. We have a TON of money being spent at the RB position right now and we have a lot of them. When in the history of Mike Shannahan have we ever spent that much on RB's? Why is it that people think we are getting a top one? Unless Travis Henry is gone by the draft or Shannahan sees the next TD, it is very unlikely that we get a RB before round 4.

I do read alot... So I do have a slight holding on what Im saying.

Yes its opinion but there's has to be a sense of slight reality to it and the reality is Phillips is dropping to the bottom of the 1st round draft board. Even if he does grade out to be higher then what he is right now, he's only benefiting from the weak safety class this year. Next Year Phillips would never make it into the top 10 let alone the top 20.


You know the same thing was said about a Quarterback Position not so long ago. Guess what happen oh thats right we Drafted Jay Cutler instead of an RB because Plummer was about due to go back to his normal blundering self.

So the reality is, its not that far fetched as everyone thinks it is.

Hall/Young/Henry/Bell cannot keep a full tank of gas without going dim.

jhns
02-13-2008, 04:24 PM
I do read alot... So I do have a slight holding on what Im saying.

Yes its opinion but there's has to be a sense of slight reality to it and the reality is Phillips is dropping to the bottom of the 1st round draft board. Even if he does grade out to be higher then what he is right now, he's only benefiting from the weak safety class this year. Next Year Phillips would never make it into the top 10 let alone the top 20.


You know the same thing was said about a Quarterback Position not so long ago. Guess what happen oh thats right we Drafted Jay Cutler instead of an RB because Plummer was about due to go back to his normal blundering self.

So the reality is, its not that far fetched as everyone thinks it is.

Hall/Young/Henry/Bell cannot keep a full tank of gas without going dim.

People only said we wouldn't draft a QB because they still had faith in Plummer. That is way different than the RB position here in Denver. Like I said, there is no way we get a first day RB if Henry is still on the team on draft day. The only circumstance that he is still here and we take a top back is if he restructurs his contract to a much smaller one. It takes a very short history lesson to figure that out.

Again, Phillips has only dropped recently. When he was playing and everyone else was playing, he was considered a top 15 pick by everyone. It has only been in the offseason that his stock has dropped.

Also, what you read is opinionated articles. Those do not make you more of an expert than others. Those guys do not know much either. It is very evident by looking at who they hype and where the guys actually go every year, and then what they do with their carriers. Most analysts are no better than people here on this board. So as I said, unless you are some kind of pro scout, your opinion is no better than the rest of ours. Most here read a lot about this stuff and that is obvious by our time spent here.

I have to add that even pro scouts and HC's are no better than most. If they where, there wouldn't be so many busts and there would be hardly any first day busts. There also wouldn't be all pro's that came out of the 6th round.

I just hate all the poeple acting as though they know more than others about the draft. Some poeple do analyze some prospects themselves, with limited footage, and can get a better grasp of those individuals. Noone here studies them all and probably very few here, if any, get actual game tape. I don't get why anyone would think they are more of an expert than the next guy and I definatly don't get why you would make a statement that pretty much says the other person doesn't know what they are talking about, and that you do. A lot of people here do it and it was just your post that made me finally say something, so not all of this is only directed at you. Very annoying.

BroncoKazuki
02-13-2008, 04:39 PM
People only said we wouldn't draft a QB because they still had faith in Plummer. That is way different than the RB position here in Denver. Like I said, there is no way we get a first day RB if Henry is still on the team on draft day. It takes a very short history lesson to figure that out.


you may not like the idea but the possibility to substantially upgrade the RB position is in the here and now. Denver's got a chance to do so at the position its at the 12th spot.

Sure Denver not taking an RB in the 1st is the History, but how long has the RB position been in flux with no real true back. Since 2003 right, right after we traded Portis. After that we've had no stable back at all. Yes we've gotten 1000 yard backs but no real stable one. There was that Tatum Bell experiment for 3 years he did run out of gas during the Playoffs in '05 and barely managed a meager 1000 yards in 2006.

So yea when I'm saying RB is a problem I'm looking at the past and its just showing that we had no stable back after we traded away Portis.

Sure the glamor of the RBC has awed people but in reality the luster has come off and its being exposed for what it is, just a way to compensate for the faults of the RB's we have right now.


Again, Phillips has only dropped recently. When he was playing and everyone else was playing, he was considered a top 15 pick by everyone. It has only been in the offseason that his stock has dropped.

Also, what you read is opinionated articles. Those do not make you more of an expert than others. Those guys do not know much either. It is very evident by looking at who they hype and where the guys actually go every year, and then what they do with their carriers. Most analysts are no better than people here on this board. So as I said, unless you are some kind of pro scout, your opinion is no better than the rest of ours. Most here read a lot about this stuff and that is obvious by our time spent here.

I have to add that even pro scouts and HC's are no better than most. If they where, there wouldn't be so many busts and there would be hardly any first day busts. There also wouldn't be all pro's that came out of the 6th round.

I just hate all the poeple acting as though they know more than others about the draft. Some poeple do analyze some prospects themselves, with limited footage, and can get a better grasp of those individuals. Noone here studies them all and probably very few here, if any, get actual game tape. I don't get why anyone would think they are more of an expert than the next guy and I definatly don't get why you would make a statement that pretty much says the other person doesn't know what they are talking about, and that you do. A lot of people here do it and it was just your post that made me finally say something, so not all of this is only directed at you. Very annoying.

People like Kilper and Mayock do this kind of thing for a living and get paid to do so, so even thought I read their stuff I do take what they say with a grain of truth because I mean they get 'paid' to do so. Same with some of the stuff on ESPN articles.

Sure Phillips may drop but the thing is where is he going to land after the combine. That right there is debatable. Also each other scout site has Phillips up in the top 15, but some other writers have Phillips falling.

Not knocking the kid but I rather go after someone for the D-line then Safety. I'm not a professional scout, I do read a lot about different players. I was also a former athlete as well, and I know that the first part should be taken is at the D-line not Safety. Your secondary is only as good as the Front 7.

So in that respect I wouldn't touch Phillips at all I would be looking for the 3rd best DT that we can take. Now the thought should be that do not address safety until the D-line is addressed first. That means well to me and this is opinion is that I wouldn't touch Phillips at all until I fix the D-line. Now without wasting the 12th pick I would either sure up the O-line (LT) or deconstruct Henry's Contract, push Hall to the Practice Squad, and upgrade the RB. Then address the D-line in the 2nd round with Laws or Moore. Then Safety in 4th round. Yet thats me.

MindField
02-13-2008, 05:23 PM
He has already been dropped by both Kiper and Mayock, it does not get much worse then that! Sorry but I will tell you that what those two say and especially when they agree is very likely to be true...no matter what anyone on this board thinks...Phillips will likely go to someone in the twenty something area, if not fall into the top of the second. The problem is that too many on these boards are listening to too many online draft sites who do not have that credibility such as Mayock, Kiper or McShay.

Yeah, and Meriweather fell out of the first round until he went to the Combine as well.

Don't worry, when all is said and done, Phillips will be one of the Prime Movers upward, count on it.

stnzed
02-13-2008, 05:41 PM
The Broncos get a Safety! Ya!

Championship.

I'm beginning to agree with MindField, this is starting to look like one of the worst drafts in recent memory.

12th pick in the draft and there isn't one single defensive player worth taking......

haciendadad
02-14-2008, 10:53 AM
Not liking the a punter being drafted in anything lower than a 7th round, maybe 6th.

I think we are fine with the FBs we have now, not a pressing need this year and the position is not keeping us from winning games.

About Phillips, the real question is which other teams need a Safety? If there aren't any that are drafting just below the Broncos then he may slip to the 12th or even later and the Broncos can trade back and pick up a later round pick and possibly use it on a punter.

What about MLB? That is a pressing need now! I kinda like Beau Bell, he knows how to tackle and rush the QB. He had an ankle injury last year but I don't see those kind of injuries as reoccurring.