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Javalon
08-27-2008, 11:59 PM
Good for the Jaguars for not giving in to the player's demands on the guaranteed money. You can tell how these upper level draft pick contract are starting to grate on people. May Gene Upshaw rest in peace but I hope his successor is more open to the idea a rookie pay scales. I know many, many players have also expressed their dissatisfaction with the current exploding salaries at the top of the drafts.

Jaguars rookie Harvey ends holdout, signs five-year deal

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80a4f945&template=with-video&confirm=true

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Defensive end Derrick Harvey ended a 33-day holdout on Wednesday by signing a five-year contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

The deal is worth $33.4 million and includes $17.177 million guaranteed, according to NFL Network's Adam Schefter.

Harvey was the last first-round draft pick to sign, a lengthy holdout that frustrated coach Jack Del Rio and left the former Florida standout behind in drills heading into the regular season.

The eighth overall selection in the 2008 NFL Draft, Harvey was expected to bolster a pass rush that struggled to pressure quarterbacks last season. But he missed all of training camp and the first three preseason games.

It was unclear whether Harvey would play in the preseason finale Thursday night against the Washington Redskins. He was driving from Gainesville to Jacksonville in hopes of traveling with the team to Washington later Wednesday.

"This was a long and challenging process for the player and for the team," Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver said. "This was a good example of the problem Commissioner Goodell has cited with the lack of a rookie pay scale. We're all happy that Derrick can now focus on getting on the field, being a Jaguar and contributing to this team."

Harvey had 20.5 career sacks with the Gators and was the defensive most valuable player of the 2007 BCS national title game against Ohio State. The Jaguars liked -- and needed -- Harvey so much that they traded up 18 spots to get him. They may not have expected him to be so expensive, however.

But linebacker Vernon Gholston, selected with the sixth pick by the New York Jets, signed a five-year deal worth $50 million, with $21 million guaranteed. And New Orleans gave the No. 7 pick, defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis, a five-year deal that reportedly included $19.5 million guaranteed.

Harvey's agent wanted a similar deal, but the Jaguars refused to give the rookie more guaranteed money than they gave quarterback David Garrard, who signed a six-year, $60 million extension that included $18 million guaranteed. It was the richest contract in franchise history.

Del Rio, meanwhile, ripped the escalating contracts of first-round draft picks.

"What's happened at the very top of the first round is ridiculous," Del Rio said. "When you're paying the guys who have never done anything more than star football players in this league that have played for years and established themselves at this level what they're capable of, it can be a little frustrating."

The Jaguars refused to budge from their final offer to Harvey, but they eventually changed the deal's incentives, making them easier to achieve.

Now, after so many problems at the defensive end position, Jacksonville probably would prefer to see Harvey reach all of the incentives.

James Wyche (Achilles' tendon) is out for the season. Jeremy Mincey (wrist) has missed the entire preseason. Starter Reggie Hayward is still recovering from a hamstring injury. And second-round pick Quentin Groves has looked every bit like a rookie in the last two preseason games.
It's utterly ridiculous to me that the 8th pick in the draft was demanding more guaranteed money than the Jags' QB who just received the richest contract in their history. :goofy:

Cutler2007
08-28-2008, 01:51 AM
I am all for a rookie cap.

The draft is designed to help the bad teams catch up to the good teams, but one high 1st round bust out can really handicap a team. Look at Detroit with Harrington, Rogers, and Williams. It is bad enough to miss on those picks, but they had to deal with financial aspects too.

Yes Detroit has done a horrible job of drafting, but guys like Harrington and Rogers were on every teams draft board as a top 10 guy.

The fact that Moss makes way more than Doom is just sickening.

-Rod-
08-28-2008, 06:25 AM
These rookie contracts are ridiculous, and with the values increasing each year, where will it stop? You just read the news and know Chris Long is having a hard time learning the pro game... Then, you look at his salary. It simply does not match.

Ravage!!!
08-28-2008, 07:53 AM
I'm glad we didn't draft this guy....


But there will never be a rookie pay scale. The owners aren't worried about it, its never been a huge problem for the cap.

People think that the extra money that isn't spent on rookies is somehow going to be spent on veteran players that have 'earned' it. Yet there was over 400 million in available cap space throughout the NFL this season. Why wasn't that money 'offered' to the vets? Do we really think the veteran players are going to get more money simply because its now available to give them? No. It just means more money in the pocket.

So yeah. Although the rookie salaries don't bother the owners, I'm SURE they would love to see a rookie cap as well.

Javalon
08-28-2008, 04:06 PM
I'm glad we didn't draft this guy....


But there will never be a rookie pay scale. The owners aren't worried about it, its never been a huge problem for the cap.

People think that the extra money that isn't spent on rookies is somehow going to be spent on veteran players that have 'earned' it. Yet there was over 400 million in available cap space throughout the NFL this season. Why wasn't that money 'offered' to the vets? Do we really think the veteran players are going to get more money simply because its now available to give them? No. It just means more money in the pocket.

So yeah. Although the rookie salaries don't bother the owners, I'm SURE they would love to see a rookie cap as well.

I think the salary caps haven't been maxed out yet because the increase was so recent and so large that enough new contract haven't been written yet to fill up the space. I also think the owners weren't happy with just how much they were coughing up overall and most have not been in a rush to use it all.

But I don't see why owners wouldn't care about unproven rookies getting such huge contracts. If a top 10 pick busts in a hurry, it's the owner's money that just went to waste. Just because they HAVE that money doesn't mean they like to waste it.

And we've heard many veterans express their disdain at players having never played a down of pro football getting bigger contracts than many stars of the league. General managers hate it. The only people who like it are those top ten picks and their agents.

I don't know of any proposed solutions but I would do something like they do with a transition tag but with varying percentages and with incentive-based contract voiding. Something like:

#1 overall = cap of 90% of the average of the top 8 players at that position, voidable after 2 seasons based on negotiated playing incentives, but as a restricted free agent with a 1st and 3rd round tender, max of 30% of contract value guaranteed.

#2 overall = cap of 88% of top 9 players, 1st and 4th tender

... etc., etc.

Those are just example numbers, not a specific suggestion. But this philosopy would allow the top drafted players to get a lot of money while not blowing away the top paid EXPERIENCED players. It would also protect those players who actually perform by letting them out of their contracts very early to renegotiate if they deserved more money. And it would protect the owners by not wasting all that money when a top drafted player busts.

Whatever they do, there has got to be a way to get those ridiculous contracts under control.