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Ravage!!!
10-21-2008, 06:23 PM
Is Culpepper next in line for Chiefs?

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star



The Chiefs may turn to veteran Daunte Culpepper to bolster their battered quarterbacking crew.

The search for some elusive stability at quarterback could lead the Chiefs to sign three-time Pro Bowler Daunte Culpepper.

The Chiefs talked with Culpepper on Monday, a day after they lost Brodie Croyle for the season because of torn knee ligaments. Croyle was injured in the Chiefs’ 34-10 loss to Tennessee at Arrowhead Stadium.

A decision on whether the Chiefs would sign Culpepper did not appear imminent. A deal might not come until next week if one is reached at all.

In the meantime, the Chiefs were preparing to bring former Tampa Bay quarterback Bruce Gradkowski to Kansas City today for a workout. Gradkowski played for St. Louis in a preseason game against the Chiefs in August at Arrowhead Stadium.

Coach Herm Edwards offered no information on the quarterback search other than to say the Chiefs might try to sign a veteran.

Between injuries and ineffective play, quarterback has been a problem for the Chiefs and a factor in their 1-5 record. Croyle, Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen have all started at least one game, and even a wide receiver, Marques Hagans, took a few plays at quarterback.

None has been able to give the Chiefs the stability they wanted.

Edwards said he didn’t know whether Huard or Thigpen would start Sunday against the Jets at the Meadowlands. Huard didn’t look or sound on Monday like a quarterback who would be ready to play on Sunday.

Against Tennessee, Huard replaced Croyle but gave way to Thigpen after injuring his passing hand. The hand was still swollen and wrapped Monday, and Huard said he would see a hand specialist to determine the extent of the injury.

The Chiefs also appear to be losing patience with kicker Nick Novak, who missed two of his three field-goal attempts against the Titans. Novak is just six for 10 this season, the worst percentage in the league.

The Chiefs may sign rookie Connor Barth today to replace Novak. Barth was originally signed by the Chiefs in April and battled Novak throughout the offseason, training camp and the preseason.

Both players made two of three field-goal attempts in the preseason. The Chiefs went with Novak mainly because of his previous NFL experience.

Whether the Chiefs go with Huard or Thigpen in New York, he would merely be keeping the spot warm for Culpepper should he sign. Culpepper, 31, had his last big season in 2004 while playing for the Vikings.

That year, Culpepper led the NFL with 4,717 passing yards and also threw 39 touchdown passes.

His career spiraled downward afterward. He tore knee ligaments the following season, was traded to Miami in 2006 and landed last year with Oakland.

He played twice against the Chiefs last season, losing 12-10 in Oakland and later in the season winning 20-17 at Arrowhead.

Discouraged that no team offered him a chance to be the starting quarterback this season, Culpepper went so far as to announce his retirement.

The Chiefs are looking for a mobile quarterback. While Culpepper doesn’t move as well as he did before his knee injury, he still avoids a pass rush better than Huard, 35.

Gradkowski, 24, started 11 games for Tampa Bay as a rookie in 2006. He played with the Bucs as a backup last year and over the winter moved on to the Rams, but he was later released.

If Huard can’t play this week, Ingle Martin would be Thigpen’s backup on Sunday. Martin was signed by the Chiefs last month after Croyle’s initial injury, a separated shoulder.

The Chiefs would prepare a smaller selection of plays for Martin in case he gets into the game. Martin went to camp and played in the preseason for the Titans.

“I’ve been here for six weeks and worked hard every week on my own trying to learn as much as I can by watching film,” Martin said. “Obviously, we’ll see when we get to the practice field if I’m getting more (snaps). That’s kind of where I think my progress will have to come. I’ve done as much as I can mentally. The biggest thing is getting in there and working with the guys.

“You don’t know what you’re going to get with me until you get out there. I’ve never done it, never had the chance. You can just go off what I’ve done in practice and what I’ve done in the preseason. I feel if I get the chance to play, I’ll be ready.”

The loss of Croyle forces the Chiefs to alter their long-term thinking at quarterback. This season was all about developing Croyle, their third-round pick in 2006, and determining whether he would be their quarterback for the next several seasons.

“We have to gather our information and see where we’re at,” Edwards said. “All of a sudden he’s going to miss the whole season. That’s tough, tough for him. He was playing pretty well (Sunday), nine for 10 or something like that. We’ll have to make a decision on that position when the season is over with.”

22cannon
10-21-2008, 09:13 PM
They blew it when they did'nt try to sign Pennington

Titans309Fan
10-22-2008, 09:37 AM
I wish they would give Ingle Martin a shot. I watched him the whole preseason with the Titans, and he looked better than Vince and Collins most of the time (though you do have to consider he was up against the scrubs).

I really can't see the Chiefs doing any worse with him playing. :D

GridironChamp
10-22-2008, 12:56 PM
I've been saying we should since the beginning of the year.

Overtime
10-22-2008, 03:07 PM
They blew it when they did'nt try to sign Pennington

Pennington is worthless. he's another Brody Croyle who can't stay healthy, his tenure in the league proves that. The Chiefs can't protect the QB's they put back there, that's why they are getting hurt. They made the right decision by not signing Pennington.

It won't matter who they sign or draft until they address the problems on the Offensive Line. Then they will need to draft a durable, Ben Roethlisberger/John Elway/Tom Brady style of QB, who can take a beating, shake off defenders, move around a little bit in the pocket and get the ball downfield, and tough it out through injuries.

Culpepper is big enough, but the question is can they protect him (and his knee?)?

Ravage!!!
10-22-2008, 08:41 PM
Pennington is worthless. he's another Brody Croyle who can't stay healthy, his tenure in the league proves that. The Chiefs can't protect the QB's they put back there, that's why they are getting hurt. They made the right decision by not signing Pennington.

It won't matter who they sign or draft until they address the problems on the Offensive Line. Then they will need to draft a durable, Ben Roethlisberger/John Elway/Tom Brady style of QB, who can take a beating, shake off defenders, move around a little bit in the pocket and get the ball downfield, and tough it out through injuries.

Culpepper is big enough, but the question is can they protect him (and his knee?)?

Dude.. you are proving to be the absolute WORST QB evaluator I've seen yet.

Ravage!!!
10-22-2008, 08:42 PM
They blew it when they did'nt try to sign Pennington


I've been saying we should since the beginning of the year.

Yeah.. me too. Especially since they missed on Pennington (or dropped the ball on missing him). Everyone knew that Croyle would get hurt again, and has been hurt EVERY game other than 4 he's started. Thats unbelievable!

Overtime
10-22-2008, 09:40 PM
Dude.. you are proving to be the absolute WORST QB evaluator I've seen yet.

maybe it's the fact that you're the bad evaluator????

GridironChamp
10-23-2008, 08:39 AM
maybe it's the fact that you're the bad evaluator????

I would have to agree with Ravage because 1) Pennington is playing very well
this year 2) The games Brady does get hit during he is def not as good as Roth
or Elways was. 3) The plays in which Croyle was hurt on in last weeks game
were on him... Every blocker had a guy for 3 seconds, and he just held the ball
or didnt see another guy coming.

But I do agree the RG/RT situation is terrible.

Overtime
10-23-2008, 09:04 AM
I would have to agree with Ravage because 1) Pennington is playing very well
this year 2) The games Brady does get hit during he is def not as good as Roth
or Elways was. 3) The plays in which Croyle was hurt on in last weeks game
were on him... Every blocker had a guy for 3 seconds, and he just held the ball
or didnt see another guy coming.

But I do agree the RG/RT situation is terrible.

Pennington is playing better than seasons past, but 1 season doesn't define a QB's career.

Pennington is an underachiever, who is injury prone, and inconsistent at best.

His numbers speak for themselves.

http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/careerstats?id=PEN375096

his numbers are mediocre, they're not great, but they're not terrible, he's in the bottom 16 of the league, not the top 16 of the league.

When you look at Pennington's entire career and you ask yourself, what has he accomplished? The answer is not very much. You see flashes of brilliance once week, then Jeckyl and Hyde the next.

The guy will never be a Hall of Famer, he will never be a Super Bowl winner, and he's not a great leader, he's a solid #2 Backup Quality QB, and that's about as much credit as I can legitimately give him.

If he's so good then why did the Jets run him from NY? and don't just say because of Brett Favre. You don't run a guy you believe gives you a chance to win, in favor of a Hall of Famer. Just doesn't happen. They ran him out, because they don't believe in him, the fans didn't believe in him, and his coach didn't believe in him.

there are guys in this league who are darn good QB's and have some bad luck with injuries, but Chad Pennington isn't good, he isn't great, he's run of the mill, mediocre at best.

Geez you all make it sound like he's the next coming of Joe Namath and gonna lead the Dolphins to the Promised Land. :rolleyes:

Ravage!!!
10-23-2008, 09:25 AM
Geez you all make it sound like he's the next coming of Joe Namath and gonna lead the Dolphins to the Promised Land. :rolleyes:

No. YOu make it sound like he's a bad QB. I'm going to say the same thing I always do since your post says "the numbers speak for themselves." THe number NEVER tell the whole story.. EVER.

Just looking at number is great for fantasy football and madden.

You try to say he's good number 2, and a lousy QB. But watching him play tells a completely different story.

You don't HAVE to make the HoF to be considered a good QB. LOTs of good QBs haven't won Super Bowls. Many "mediocre" QBs HAVE won Super Bowls.

He's not great. He's not HoF material. He's not in the top of the list... but he's a good QB and one that was CERTAINLY better than anything the Chiefs had on their roster or have gotten since..... HENCE... the Chiefs should have gone after him when they had the opportunity to.

Overtime
10-23-2008, 09:39 AM
No. YOu make it sound like he's a bad QB. I'm going to say the same thing I always do since your post says "the numbers speak for themselves." THe number NEVER tell the whole story.. EVER.

Just looking at number is great for fantasy football and madden.

You try to say he's good number 2, and a lousy QB. But watching him play tells a completely different story.

You don't HAVE to make the HoF to be considered a good QB. LOTs of good QBs haven't won Super Bowls. Many "mediocre" QBs HAVE won Super Bowls.

He's not great. He's not HoF material. He's not in the top of the list... but he's a good QB and one that was CERTAINLY better than anything the Chiefs had on their roster or have gotten since..... HENCE... the Chiefs should have gone after him when they had the opportunity to.

Dude i've watched him play many a times...and he's not good. I wouldn't want him here in Denver, I wouldn't want him on any team I coached for. He makes dumb mistakes repeatedly, time and time again, his game management skills suck. He's a lousy starter, but a solid backup. I never said you had to make the HOF to be a decent QB, but Pennington is not even decent, he's not even competent. Otherwise he wouldn't have been run out of NY. If the Jets thought he was a good QB, they wouldn't have had any need for Brett Favre. :rolleyes: Oh and he's 2-4 as a starter in Miami...that's really good alright.

lets not forget that nobody even wanted him except Miami because Bill Parcells drafted him...no one else was beating down NY's door to get him....that should tell you everything you need to know about the guy. He doesn't win, he doesn't manage games well, makes poor decisions, throws into double coverage constantly, locks onto one receiver too much, fumbles the ball. Not sure what games you've been watching.

Ravage!!!
10-23-2008, 09:45 AM
Dude i've watched him play many a times...and he's not good. I wouldn't want him here in Denver, I wouldn't want him on any team I coached for. He makes dumb mistakes repeatedly, time and time again, his game management skills suck. He's a lousy starter, but a solid backup. I never said you had to make the HOF to be a decent QB, but Pennington is not even decent, he's not even competent. Otherwise he wouldn't have been run out of NY. If the Jets thought he was a good QB, they wouldn't have had any need for Brett Favre. :rolleyes: Oh and he's 2-4 as a starter in Miami...that's really good alright.

On a team that had a single win the entire season last year?? :laugh: What did you expect from him, miracles?

Dude... have you watched him play this season? He's playing WELL. The Jets are 3-3.. not exactly a sign they are doing better with Favre, unless you are going to point out the season prior??

Overtime
10-23-2008, 09:57 AM
On a team that had a single win the entire season last year?? :laugh: What did you expect from him, miracles?

Dude... have you watched him play this season? He's playing WELL. The Jets are 3-3.. not exactly a sign they are doing better with Favre, unless you are going to point out the season prior??

spin it anyway you want, but the fact of where he's at, the Dolphins record, and that no one other than Miami wanted him, tells all.

Even the Chiefs didn't want him. He's not playing well..he may be playing "better" but come on if he was playing "WELL", he'd be like 4-2, 5-1, it's like comparing diarrhea to solid poop...at the end of the day it's still poop.

GridironChamp
10-23-2008, 10:56 AM
We did want him, as a back up. We are still behind Brodie Croyle and when he
goes 9 for 10 against a Titan defense yous ee why he deserved a chance...
but Croyle had like 67 yards or something. His YPA is pathetic and always has
been. In a 3 step drop Croyle always throws to the FB for 3 yards, or a WR for
3 yards, or a TE for 2 yards.

There is no doubt in my mind that Pennington would be better than that. I wanted
Pennington, I wanted Culpepper, and I wanted to trade for Garcia when he was
benched.... Maybe i can finally get one.

Overtime
10-23-2008, 11:15 AM
We did want him, as a back up. We are still behind Brodie Croyle and when he
goes 9 for 10 against a Titan defense yous ee why he deserved a chance...
but Croyle had like 67 yards or something. His YPA is pathetic and always has
been. In a 3 step drop Croyle always throws to the FB for 3 yards, or a WR for
3 yards, or a TE for 2 yards.

There is no doubt in my mind that Pennington would be better than that. I wanted
Pennington, I wanted Culpepper, and I wanted to trade for Garcia when he was
benched.... Maybe i can finally get one.

I won't disagree that Pennington is better than Croyle...hell Trent Dilfer is better than Brody Croyle.

but still comparing the 2 is like comparing 2 turds in a punch bowl.

GridironChamp
10-23-2008, 12:20 PM
I won't disagree that Pennington is better than Croyle...hell Trent Dilfer is better than Brody Croyle.

but still comparing the 2 is like comparing 2 turds in a punch bowl.

Only Pennington is a tiny turd almost outta the punch bown and Croyle is a huge
load right in the middle barely a float...

Ravage!!!
10-23-2008, 08:43 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that Pennington would be better than that. I wanted
Pennington, I wanted Culpepper, and I wanted to trade for Garcia when he was
benched.... Maybe i can finally get one.

well. you get Quinn Grey instead :confused:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/853599.html

GridironChamp
10-24-2008, 09:49 AM
well. you get Quinn Grey instead :confused:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/853599.html

I'll take it, but with some remorse...

I remember Grey (or Gray i dont remember) from last year. He wasnt bad, not
great but better than Huard, Thig-pine, and Croyle.

Overtime
10-24-2008, 03:49 PM
im not sure how the Chiefs even justified the drafting of Tyler Pigpen. he's as bad on the pro level as Brad Smith, Josh Heupel, and Jason White.

Ironically White was a Heisman winner, and Heupel was runner up for the Heisman.

RxDx
10-24-2008, 08:42 PM
I think the Chiefs should bring in Joey Harrington (I thought he handled Atlanta pretty good last year considering the Vick fiasco and that pathetic excuse for an NFL head coach) over Daunte Culpepper. Culpepper is washed up and lacks dedication and leadership in my opinion.

What about Chris Simms has anyone signed him?

Ravage!!!
10-24-2008, 08:44 PM
I think the Chiefs should bring in Joey Harrington (I thought he handled Atlanta pretty good last year considering the Vick fiasco and that pathetic excuse for an NFL head coach) over Daunte Culpepper. Culpepper is washed up and lacks dedication and leadership in my opinion.

What about Chris Simms has anyone signed him?

The Chiefs signed Grey and Simms is signed with the Titans

Ravage!!!
10-24-2008, 08:45 PM
im not sure how the Chiefs even justified the drafting of Tyler Pigpen. he's as bad on the pro level as Brad Smith, Josh Heupel, and Jason White.

Ironically White was a Heisman winner, and Heupel was runner up for the Heisman.

At least Brad is playing in the NFL... although playing at WR... but still playing.

RxDx
10-24-2008, 09:21 PM
The Chiefs signed Grey and Simms is signed with the Titans

Good I think Grey is a much better Q.B. then Culpepper. Thanks for the info on Simms.

BarkdogRX7
10-27-2008, 08:18 AM
Lure em out...he's ready to play....



Jake...................................Plummer lol (Gotta acquire em from TB tho)

For real tho, they need to get Culpepper, he never wanted to retire, he did it to cry and get attention and no one cared. They should sign em and let em play 3 days after, he'd prolly do better off just football knowledge than trying to confuse em

GridironChamp
10-27-2008, 11:49 AM
im not sure how the Chiefs even justified the drafting of Tyler Pigpen. he's as bad on the pro level as Brad Smith, Josh Heupel, and Jason White.

Ironically White was a Heisman winner, and Heupel was runner up for the Heisman.

1) We didnt draft Thigpin, at least I think the Vikings did and we jacked him
when they sent him to the Practice Squad and they got really angry.

2) After Sunday I'd be willing to say Thigpin > White, Heupel, and Smith at QB
in the NFL.

Overtime
10-27-2008, 12:10 PM
1) We didnt draft Thigpin, at least I think the Vikings did and we jacked him
when they sent him to the Practice Squad and they got really angry.

2) After Sunday I'd be willing to say Thigpin > White, Heupel, and Smith at QB
in the NFL.

boy didn't look halfbad...i was actually impressed he threaded that needle between 2 defenders in the end zone, and that kid was able to get both his toes down. that was a nice pass.

he did a good job managing the game, made good decisions, I'll give him that.

Overtime
11-01-2008, 09:50 PM
looks like Daunte is going to Detroit.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/11076985