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jdubv724
11-11-2008, 02:40 PM
I remember when he was with the Rams and they played the Broncos and that offense was unstoppable. We picked him off at least 2 times and they still put up 40 some points on us. The guy was unstoppable when he was part of the "Greatest Show on Turf".

What do you think? 2 Superbowl appearances (1 win), 2 time League MVP, Superbowl MVP, 2nd All-time in career QB Rating, 2nd All-time in completion percentage, are a few of his accomplishments.

Is he deserving of the HOF?

LordTrychon
11-11-2008, 02:45 PM
I'd really have to think about it... QBs already are pretty well represented...

I wouldn't be shocked either way with him.

Davis should get in first though. :D

Legendary30
11-11-2008, 02:46 PM
I think he should go. 2 time NFL MVP. Super bowl Champion. He deserves to go.

His numbers aren't amazing, but he has had a solid career.

26,768 Yards 171TD 106Int

jdubv724
11-11-2008, 02:50 PM
I'd really have to think about it... QBs already are pretty well represented...

I wouldn't be shocked either way with him.

Davis should get in first though. :D

That is a pretty good point about TD.

Both of them were only voted into 3 pro bowls (Warner will probably get his 4th this year)

And they both had brief periods of high level play.:salute:

ebsoria
11-11-2008, 03:05 PM
Ya know....? I hafta think about it too. He flat out performs. Loses hi job then takes it back and doesn't look back. I like him and feel he is by far the most underrated qb in along time. I just really don't like his wife(course I have nothing to base this feeling off of).

Ravage!!!
11-11-2008, 03:28 PM
He's working his way there. Seriously... the guy can flat out PLAY. I disliked him when he was in St. Louis... mainly because I live in a KC/St Louis fan base area, and the StLouis fans were about as bad as the NE fans and the SD fans.... irritating as hell.

But you won't find a more accurate passer in history. He could very possibly win his 3rd NFL MVP award (and well deserved). Did you see the percentage of 300yrd passing games to games played??? He is nearly 50% and the second place is 23%! He DOUBLES them. I would have laughed at the notion a couple years ago... but right now he's playing as well (again) as anyone.

ebsoria
11-11-2008, 03:59 PM
He's working his way there. Seriously... the guy can flat out PLAY. I disliked him when he was in St. Louis... mainly because I live in a KC/St Louis fan base area, and the StLouis fans were about as bad as the NE fans and the SD fans.... irritating as hell.

But you won't find a more accurate passer in history. He could very possibly win his 3rd NFL MVP award (and well deserved). Did you see the percentage of 300yrd passing games to games played??? He is nearly 50% and the second place is 23%! He DOUBLES them. I would have laughed at the notion a couple years ago... but right now he's playing as well (again) as anyone.


I say that if he does win his 3rd MVP this season then YES he get's in. If not... maybe give him one more year of solid play and he's in.

Overtime
11-11-2008, 05:24 PM
Nope.

his Super Bowl win was a fluke IMO. I'm not really sold on him, he couldn't keep Eli Manning from taking his starting job, he had a few injuries where he was on the sidelines for too long. he plays a good game, but I dont think it's HOF Status worthy.

Fat Joe
11-11-2008, 07:58 PM
I think so. More QBs have got their with less. By the time he's done he'll be well into the HOF conversation.

Ravage!!!
11-11-2008, 08:06 PM
Nope.

his Super Bowl win was a fluke IMO. I'm not really sold on him, he couldn't keep Eli Manning from taking his starting job, he had a few injuries where he was on the sidelines for too long. he plays a good game, but I dont think it's HOF Status worthy.

He COULD keep Eli Manning from winning the starting job, thats why he was shipped out of NY. They Giants made a trade to GET Him.. and we ALL know that the most popular player on the team is the back-up QB. So Warner was kept for a season to help teach, and then let go so that people didn't keep calling for Warner to be brought in.

How was their SB win a fluke??? Does that make the SB win any less valid??? Did they get some kind of smaller ring for that?? :confused: They pretty much dominated that entire season... I don't see anything "flukish" about it.

Kurt Warner, at the time, was the ONLY QB to throw over 40 TD passes in a season other than Dan Marino.... then he did it twice. He deserved and won two NFL MVP awards, and a Super Bowl MVP while taking his team to TWO super bowls in three years. Hard to say that he's some kind of 'fluke' when 45% of the games he has played he's thrown for over 300 yrds and the person closest to him is Dan Fouts with 23%.

Ohio Broncos
11-11-2008, 09:56 PM
He COULD keep Eli Manning from winning the starting job, thats why he was shipped out of NY. They Giants made a trade to GET Him.. and we ALL know that the most popular player on the team is the back-up QB. So Warner was kept for a season to help teach, and then let go so that people didn't keep calling for Warner to be brought in.

How was their SB win a fluke??? Does that make the SB win any less valid??? Did they get some kind of smaller ring for that?? :confused: They pretty much dominated that entire season... I don't see anything "flukish" about it.

Kurt Warner, at the time, was the ONLY QB to throw over 40 TD passes in a season other than Dan Marino.... then he did it twice. He deserved and won two NFL MVP awards, and a Super Bowl MVP while taking his team to TWO super bowls in three years. Hard to say that he's some kind of 'fluke' when 45% of the games he has played he's thrown for over 300 yrds and the person closest to him is Dan Fouts with 23%.

I looked up Warner's stats, and he only tossed 40 TDs once, not twice.

He won two MVPs (definitely deserved) while with the Rams and from 1999-2001, he was straight up eviscerating secondaries.

But from 2002-2006, Warner was ordinary or even below average. He just was not good and he couldn't stay healthy. His completion percentage stayed up, but his touchdowns went way down. Check that. 2005 was an okay year for Warner (he was hurt for almost half of that year plus I think I'm being a little generous saying that), but he slipped again in 2006 (opening the door for Matt Leinart).

Give Warner credit because since he took over for Leinhart last year, his numbers have been good. However, that was an ugly stretch that he had. If he was able to put up decent numbers in that stretch, I would say yes but he didn't.

Also remember that Warner has not played a whole season since 2001 (he came the closest last year, but of course he didn't begin the season as the starter).

Too many iffy years for my taste. This isn't the Hall of Very Good we're talking about. This is the Hall of Fame.

My vote is no.

DevilSpawn
11-11-2008, 10:44 PM
I say yes.

He dominated in the best 3 year stretch for an offense in NFL history. Most QBs would make their mark in that offense and call it a day, but Warner is still showing how good he is outside The Greatest Show On Turf. True he has the best trio of receivers in the NFL right now, but he doesn't have Faulk, so that puts more pressure on him to carry the team. And with the numbers and records he set, the 94.5 QB rating, all this despite the drought his career has seen, should put him in.

If he wins the MVP this year it'll be the longest gap (7 seasons) between a player's 1st & 2nd or their 2nd & 3rd award. And it will be the the second longest gap between wins by a multiple winner, when Unitas won his first in 1959 and his third in 1967.

The only multiple MVP winners not in the Hall of Fame are currently active: Brett Favre, Peyton Manning and Kurt Warner. We know why Favre and Manning should get in. But because Warner may be third in that elite bunch due to his greatness coming in a shorter spurt, it shouldn't keep him out.

Rejo #50
11-12-2008, 08:12 AM
I think yes, he was elected 2 times MVP of the NFL, Warner is a Super Bowl Champion, and now in his 37 he's playin' great. I think he really deserves to go.

Overtime
11-12-2008, 09:37 AM
I say yes.

He dominated in the best 3 year stretch for an offense in NFL history. Most QBs would make their mark in that offense and call it a day, but Warner is still showing how good he is outside The Greatest Show On Turf. True he has the best trio of receivers in the NFL right now, but he doesn't have Faulk, so that puts more pressure on him to carry the team. And with the numbers and records he set, the 94.5 QB rating, all this despite the drought his career has seen, should put him in.

If he wins the MVP this year it'll be the longest gap (7 seasons) between a player's 1st & 2nd or their 2nd & 3rd award. And it will be the the second longest gap between wins by a multiple winner, when Unitas won his first in 1959 and his third in 1967.

The only multiple MVP winners not in the Hall of Fame are currently active: Brett Favre, Peyton Manning and Kurt Warner. We know why Favre and Manning should get in. But because Warner may be third in that elite bunch due to his greatness coming in a shorter spurt, it shouldn't keep him out.

So I'm Just Wondering here, does Trent Green deserve to be in the Hall of Fame then?

He has all them stats he put up in Kansas City, has a Super Bowl ring, and made several Pro Bowls. Had the leagues best offense for 5 years (till Herm gotta hold of it....:laugh:)

RaiderHater9899
11-12-2008, 01:00 PM
I would be all for Kurt Warner going to the HoF. He isn't smashing records but he has been MVP and won a superbowl.
I never could understand why St. Louis would just drop him. Kinda wish we had picked him up...

saltybuggah
11-12-2008, 01:01 PM
warner's only shot at the hall is going to be answered after this year...

he needs to take this team to the superbowl and play well... he doesnt have to win just play well and continue to play well the next two years he wants to play...

News: Leinart's teammate Kurt Warner's agent plans to open contract extension talks with the Cardinals this week, the Arizona Republic reports. [-]
Impact: Warner will be a free agent at the end of the season and he is reportedly interested in playing through 2010. The Cardinals and Warner will both have big decisions to make. Warner is playing extremely well and looks like he is capable of playing two more years, but the team may not want Leinart (their 2006 first-round draft pick) to sit on the bench for that long. And in Warner's case, he has said that he would rather retire than sign elsewhere. That statement may be tested if the Cardinals elect not to re-sign him.

also i think he'd be a lock for the hall if he stays with the cards and continues to bench leinart :P

orangeblue72
11-12-2008, 09:40 PM
I voted no based on the fact that the two ( 2 ) time MVP faced a very inexperienced Tom Brady and acted as if he had never been to the Super Bowl. That one reminded me of another QB who suspiciously lost, that being the easily bought Craig Morton. Warner has shown a great humility in being replaced two times by Mark Bulger in St. Louis and by Eli Manning in NY and stepping up to help the Cardinals like he has. Very talented but not talented enough for the Hall sorry.

jdubv724
01-18-2009, 05:11 PM
I remember when he was with the Rams and they played the Broncos and that offense was unstoppable. We picked him off at least 2 times and they still put up 40 some points on us. The guy was unstoppable when he was part of the "Greatest Show on Turf".

What do you think? 2 Superbowl appearances (1 win), 2 time League MVP, Superbowl MVP, 2nd All-time in career QB Rating, 2nd All-time in completion percentage, are a few of his accomplishments.

Is he deserving of the HOF?

Bump :salute:

Ravage!!!
01-18-2009, 05:15 PM
he took a 4-12 team to the Super Bowl Championship as a back-up with the Rams...(came starter when Green was hurt before the first game). Then after winning a SB MVP, and two NFL MVPs... takes the AZ Cardinals (that was just 5-11 two seasons ago) to the Super Bowl as a back-up while putting up MVP type stats (back-up because he wasn't expected to be the starter in pre-season this year but won the starting job in pre-season).

Yes... I think Kurt Warner should be a HoF'er.