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Bronco-24
11-18-2008, 06:55 PM
I'm terrible at drawing faces, so I left it blank. It's kinda fuzzy since it's a cell phone pic but it will definitely be worked on. I want it to be perfect so suggestions are greatly appreciated. Let me know what you think:salute!:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

BroncosRockdaRockies
11-18-2008, 06:59 PM
I am not an artist but I think it looks good. Keep up the great work!:salute!:

Chidoze
11-18-2008, 07:06 PM
The face looks nothing like his........:laugh:

j/k, pretty good! :salute!:

IPICKEDYOUOFF
11-18-2008, 07:06 PM
I think its great, only thing i can throw in is the face mask needs some work on the NE corner, or upper right looking at it....Keep up the good work.....
Heres some of my work...

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa139/Allred94GT/BRONCOS/CHAMPAINT.jpg
Champ Bringing in a ball

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa139/Allred94GT/BRONCOS/BROSPAINT.jpg
A picture of me and my belated brother....BRONCOS FOR LIFE D$

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa139/Allred94GT/BRONCOS/JAYPAINT.jpg
My personal fav... THE MAN

CJ_5256
11-18-2008, 07:14 PM
i think its really good. like said above, the facemask and helment could use a lil work.
but great job keep it up:salute!:

Go Avalanche
11-18-2008, 07:16 PM
hahaha great job! actually would look somewhat real if colored well and everything facial was added

Ravage!!!
11-18-2008, 08:30 PM
I'm terrible at drawing faces, so I left it blank. It's kinda fuzzy since it's a cell phone pic but it will definitely be worked on. I want it to be perfect so suggestions are greatly appreciated. Let me know what you think:salute!:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

Ok.. I think you are doing a GREAT job as a beginning artist... and truly recommend you keeping up the good work. So I'm going to give you some advice, but I want you to know that I'm not putting down ANYTHING that you have done at all, and only offering up my words of advice to help you out.

Its very common for beginning graphite artists to keep everything within a single 'shade' of greys. As a result, the drawing loses a bit of 'drama' that graphite (any black/white medium.. such as charcoal or photography) needs in order to enhance the interest.

Identify some of the darker area's of the jersey, within the deeper recesses of the wrinkiles.. around the collar.. under the arms (like you did to the right of the drawing) and get darker.. that will build not ONLY the dark areas, but will enhance the white and lighter areas as well simply by contrast. The darker the blacks, the whiter the whit looks.. as well as the lighter greys and so on.

As a result of this, your facemask is REALLy standing out because its so dark in comparison to everything else around it.

Now... using your darker shades... think to yourself that you are intentionally EXAGGERATING the shades of the dark areas.... if they feel they are just a BIT too dark when you do it, then you probably have it about right.

since there is a bit of "wash" over certain areas... the arm on the left (Royal's right arm) looks short and out of proportion. Its probably bent, right? But it doesn't look it because of the light shading throughout the arm.

Also.. I'm going ot assume that one of the shoulders is closer to us (the viewer) than the other.. right? so one should be much darker, and the other lighter to give that sense of depth. The shoulder on "our" right looks to be further away... darken it and that side of the wrinkles and underarm..shoulder..side of neck and helmet...collar...etc.

FACES: I know they are intimidating. But remember... a face is just planes of lights and darks like any round, flat, and wrinkled object that you draw. You can shade wrinkles.. you can shade a face. Try turning the pick you are copying, and your drawing, upside down and then shade what you see. I bet you will be amazed at how good you do once your mind can't really try to distinguish what you are drawing, and just folllows the shades as your eye sees it.

:Thumb: Great work. Keep it up and keep working on wht you got going

Bronco-24
11-18-2008, 08:38 PM
I am not an artist but I think it looks good. Keep up the great work!:salute!:

Thanks, It looks a lot better in person and I wish my scanner hadn't broken or else it would've been easier to see.


The face looks nothing like his........:laugh:

j/k, pretty good! :salute!:

Ha ha ha thank you...


I think its great, only thing i can throw in is the face mask needs some work on the NE corner, or upper right looking at it....Keep up the good work.....
Heres some of my work...

Thank you. I'm glad i'm getting some feedback cause I really want to make it better. I like your stuff too, great job!:salute!:


i think its really good. like said above, the facemask and helment could use a lil work.
but great job keep it up:salute!:

Yeah I was thinking about using a visor because I'm not YET good at faces so we'll see how that goes.


hahaha great job! actually would look somewhat real if colored well and everything facial was added

I agree. I wish I knew how to add color yet keep it looking realistic with all the detail.

BigMike05
11-18-2008, 08:42 PM
looks good to me:rockon:

Bronco-24
11-18-2008, 08:44 PM
since there is a bit of "wash" over certain areas... the arm on the left (Royal's right arm) looks short and out of proportion. Its probably bent, right? But it doesn't look it because of the light shading throughout the arm.

Also.. I'm going to assume that one of the shoulders is closer to us (the viewer) than the other.. right? so one should be much darker, and the other lighter to give that sense of depth. The shoulder on "our" right looks to be further away... darken it and that side of the wrinkles and underarm..shoulder..side of neck and helmet...collar...etc.

FACES: I know they are intimidating. But remember... a face is just planes of lights and darks like any round, flat, and wrinkled object that you draw. You can shade wrinkles.. you can shade a face. Try turning the pick you are copying, and your drawing, upside down and then shade what you see. I bet you will be amazed at how good you do once your mind can't really try to distinguish what you are drawing, and just folllows the shades as your eye sees it.

:Thumb: Great work. Keep it up and keep working on wht you got going

You are right on both accounts. My trouble is distinguishing an arm that is bent to an arm that looks just shorter with my drawings. For me I can tell it's bent because I drew it and because (of course ha) I looked at the picture. But when other people barely can see the difference, that's when I realize I have a problem and need some improving to do. I really appreciate your help and I will try to improve upon it and probably PM you the result or bump this thread with the fixed one within.

CP to you all who took the time to either help me with some tips or just those who took the time to open the thread to begin with.:salute!:

Ravage!!!
11-18-2008, 08:50 PM
You are right on both accounts. My trouble is distinguishing an arm that is bent to an arm that looks just shorter with my drawings. For me I can tell it's bent because I drew it and because (of course ha) I looked at the picture. But when other people barely can see the difference, that's when I realize I have a problem and need some improving to do. I really appreciate your help and I will try to improve upon it and probably PM you the result or bump this thread with the fixed one within.

CP to you all who took the time to either help me with some tips or just those who took the time to open the thread to begin with.:salute!:

Just hold your arm up... and look at how the light hits it and how a shadow 'SHOULD' be... sometimes you can't see it with your eye due to the shade of the skin or whatever... so you have to intentionally exaggerate and put shadows where you believe they "should" be... or exaggerate the ones you know are there.

Bronco-24
11-18-2008, 09:02 PM
9/10 things you have suggested have been a problem for me so I will put these tips to good use. I definitely need to try the face thing because that's probably my weakest point.

Bronco-24
11-18-2008, 09:07 PM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/ggg.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

Yeah, see now when you compare it to that, my weaknesses REALLY stand out. Will definitely strive for improvement.

broncofreak5624
11-18-2008, 10:00 PM
:salute!: to all of them! I can't draw to save my life.

Senses Fail
11-18-2008, 10:07 PM
:salute!: to all of them! I can't draw to save my life.

It sucks, I cant draw either. :mad:

But That drawing is really great.

I know a kid that can draw just about anything, too bad he waste it on drawing sexual images. :laugh:

RxDx
11-18-2008, 10:15 PM
My Eddie Royal Drawing

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2940&stc=1&d=1227071679

What do you think?

Senses Fail
11-18-2008, 10:20 PM
My Eddie Royal Drawing

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2940&stc=1&d=1227071679

What do you think?

Perfection!

Im at a loss for words :P

Broncosfreak_56
11-18-2008, 11:12 PM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/ggg.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

Yeah, see now when you compare it to that, my weaknesses REALLY stand out. Will definitely strive for improvement.

Pretty good so far. What stands out to me the most is that the shoulders need to be bigger and arms thicker.

japfaff
11-18-2008, 11:27 PM
Ok.. I think you are doing a GREAT job as a beginning artist... and truly recommend you keeping up the good work. So I'm going to give you some advice, but I want you to know that I'm not putting down ANYTHING that you have done at all, and only offering up my words of advice to help you out.

Its very common for beginning graphite artists to keep everything within a single 'shade' of greys. As a result, the drawing loses a bit of 'drama' that graphite (any black/white medium.. such as charcoal or photography) needs in order to enhance the interest.

Identify some of the darker area's of the jersey, within the deeper recesses of the wrinkiles.. around the collar.. under the arms (like you did to the right of the drawing) and get darker.. that will build not ONLY the dark areas, but will enhance the white and lighter areas as well simply by contrast. The darker the blacks, the whiter the whit looks.. as well as the lighter greys and so on.

As a result of this, your facemask is REALLy standing out because its so dark in comparison to everything else around it.

Now... using your darker shades... think to yourself that you are intentionally EXAGGERATING the shades of the dark areas.... if they feel they are just a BIT too dark when you do it, then you probably have it about right.

since there is a bit of "wash" over certain areas... the arm on the left (Royal's right arm) looks short and out of proportion. Its probably bent, right? But it doesn't look it because of the light shading throughout the arm.

Also.. I'm going ot assume that one of the shoulders is closer to us (the viewer) than the other.. right? so one should be much darker, and the other lighter to give that sense of depth. The shoulder on "our" right looks to be further away... darken it and that side of the wrinkles and underarm..shoulder..side of neck and helmet...collar...etc.

FACES: I know they are intimidating. But remember... a face is just planes of lights and darks like any round, flat, and wrinkled object that you draw. You can shade wrinkles.. you can shade a face. Try turning the pick you are copying, and your drawing, upside down and then shade what you see. I bet you will be amazed at how good you do once your mind can't really try to distinguish what you are drawing, and just folllows the shades as your eye sees it.

:Thumb: Great work. Keep it up and keep working on wht you got going

Yeah what he said..... Rav do you teach art or something... Dont sweat man I have the same shading problem on the stick figures that I draw..... But the picture looks great....Really good job, and ballsy move throwing yourself and you work out there.... Great Job

YosemiteSam
11-18-2008, 11:54 PM
I'm terrible at drawing faces, so I left it blank. It's kinda fuzzy since it's a cell phone pic but it will definitely be worked on. I want it to be perfect so suggestions are greatly appreciated. Let me know what you think:salute!:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

NICE!!! You're a true fan - and an artiste! CPs to you!

Zealander
11-19-2008, 02:38 AM
Nice man, this is real cool. Easy to see with your level of detail that you have put some effort into this. Personally I might suggest shading underneath the towel on his hip a little more, as well as under (his) right arm. You may even like to shade around his right side more... It all depends on what you see in the drawing.

It is very good.

AC1
11-19-2008, 05:45 AM
I'm terrible at drawing faces, so I left it blank. It's kinda fuzzy since it's a cell phone pic but it will definitely be worked on. I want it to be perfect so suggestions are greatly appreciated. Let me know what you think:salute!:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

Really stunning. I'm not quite the educated critic that Ravage is :) , but to me it looks excellent. FWIW, I could totally see the bent arm and the slight shoulder lean. I also really liked how you got the hips perfectly slanted to capture the stance.

Great job and all the best for your future art!

If I had to draw a straight line to save my life, I'm as good as dead :sad:

ging
11-19-2008, 09:40 AM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/ggg.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

Yeah, see now when you compare it to that, my weaknesses REALLY stand out. Will definitely strive for improvement.

I will humbly offer some advise.
I think you are on the right track in general, but you are a little too caught up in the details at this point and seem to lose a bit of the big picture. Overall, the piece tends to flatten out, patially because of some slight drawing mistakes and partially cause the shading. A big area i see this is in the face mask. you can see in the picture it is alot more rounded, most notably at the top. His right forarm is flatting out and not reading correctly, look at the curve on the lower part of this forarm as well as the size of his hand. Look a little closer at the overall shape of his torso, the sholders are wider(exagerated by the shoulder pads) and perhaps his waist is a bit smaller. There needs to be more of a value range as ravage was stating. Look at the large areas of value. The helmet, jersey and skin colors in most places need to be considerably darker. It helps me see the large areas of value by slightly squint at the origional image, seperate the light and dark areas and follow basic light logic. Push those values and have fun with it!!

I hope this helps.

CinnaMunMun
11-19-2008, 09:50 AM
That is a great start man! :salute!:

I would just do exactly what Rav said, push the darks, keep the whites white, and it will pop out. :D

Also like Rav said, use lineweight to show more depth as well. The closer it is, the darker the line will be.

Wolverine83
11-19-2008, 10:04 AM
It already looks a million times better than anything I can do - you got skills man.
I was always good at photography but need to get a new camera.

One idea, maybe have some blurry fans as the background, or some other players, if you make whatever it is blurry it will have the effect of a camera focusing on royal and blurring the background.

be sure to post updates :rockon:

SyxxSynse
11-19-2008, 10:45 AM
Here are my thoughts and suggestions:

From one artist to another, I feel your pain. I have the hardest time drawing faces and to make them actually look like the persons face that I'm drawing. I also have trouble with hands, helmets, shading, and lettering. Drawing the uniform, arms, and legs seem to be the easiest, being that they are really just a series of lines. But you have to try to add the face, just draw very lightly so you can erase as many times as you'd wish.

The biggest thing that stands out to me about this picture is the helmet facemask and shoulder pads. The mask is out of proportion on the right and the shoulder pads seem too small for his body.

The uniform itself looks really good, the #19 looks great as well as wrinkles in the jersey and pants. It depends on the size of the drawing as to how well you can do this, but try to make the word "BRONCOS" on the jersey and "Riddell" on the front of the helmet more realistic. That may be near impossible though because I'm guessing your drawing is on 8x10 paper and trying to get something THAT small THAT detailed is difficult. I usually leave words on uniforms, etc. off of my drawings because if it turns out to be out of proportion or something like that I feel its an eye sore.

I would also suggest to work on the thumb of Eddie's right hand, it looks too small. Also, adding color later is up to you, but that's something that I would add.

If you want some other Bronco drawings to look at to maybe answer some questions you might have, you can look at mine. I'm no professional, but they might help you.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg262/dustindavisart/Dustin%20Davis%20Art/ThisOnesForJohn.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg262/dustindavisart/Dustin%20Davis%20Art/ACutAbove.jpg

All and all, the drawing looks good and with a few changes suggested by your fellow Bronco fans, you should have a drawing you can be proud of. Good luck and we definitely want to see a finished product.

rst08tierney
11-19-2008, 10:46 AM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/ggg.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

Yeah, see now when you compare it to that, my weaknesses REALLY stand out. Will definitely strive for improvement.


I kinda look like eddie when my belts all un done after a big turkey dinner too.

Its my victory pose when I go for a second plate!

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 01:12 PM
Thanks to all you guys. I will probably get started working on it now. The drawings that you guys also shared with me are very good. I am terrible at coloring and I give you props on them. CP to all who posted in this thread.

:salute!:

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 02:51 PM
(Old)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

(New)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/335012936_1147800199_0.jpg

I worked on it for about 2 more hours and this is what I came up with. Still kinda blurry only because it's a cell phone pic. I will be sure to get it scanned or something in the next couple days so you guys can see it exactly. Still I have to work on Royal's left arm and his head (Of course) Let me know what you guys think this time around.

Plummer#16
11-19-2008, 02:56 PM
I think that picture is awesome dude. Just give him a face and you'll be good to go.

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 03:01 PM
I think that picture is awesome dude. Just give him a face and you'll be good to go.

Yeah, that's gonna be an obstacle for me.

Plummer#16
11-19-2008, 03:06 PM
Just take your time.

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 03:40 PM
Just take your time.

Will do, thank you.:salute!:

RealBronco
11-19-2008, 04:06 PM
faces are my weakpoint as well. i can never get anyone to look like who they are...

but other than that i'm good.

and so are you! :salute!:

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 05:09 PM
faces are my weak point as well. i can never get anyone to look like who they are...

but other than that i'm good.

and so are you! :salute!:

Thanks, I would like to see some of your work also:salute!:

ebsoria
11-19-2008, 05:15 PM
Well, let's put it this way- you are better then me. :)

RealBronco
11-19-2008, 05:20 PM
Thanks, I would like to see some of your work also:salute!:


hmmm. i suppose i could get to that...

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 05:36 PM
Well, let's put it this way- you are better then me. :)

:):P:D

I would like to see something of yours though

chazoe60
11-19-2008, 05:50 PM
Nice work. I personally could not draw myself out of a wet paper bag with a newly sharpened pencil, but you seem to have a talent for it.:salute!:

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Nice work. I personally could not draw myself out of a wet paper bag with a newly sharpened pencil, but you seem to have a talent for it.:salute!:

Thank you. I love to draw and would like to major something that involves are in college so I better practice and get some feedback now!:salute!:

KatieElway7
11-19-2008, 06:16 PM
:thumb:Good job! I thought the first one was good, and the 2nd one is even better...:salute!:

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 06:19 PM
:thumb:Good job! I thought the first one was good, and the 2nd one is even better...:salute!:

Thank you:thumb:

SyxxSynse
11-19-2008, 06:29 PM
Thanks to all you guys. I will probably get started working on it now. The drawings that you guys also shared with me are very good. I am terrible at coloring and I give you props on them. CP to all who posted in this thread.

:salute!:

If you make the drawing good enough, people will forget that its not colored. I've seen very good drawings that aren't colored so its really just a preference. Some of my drawings I've started out doing I had planned to make just black and white but I ended up coloring them because it just didn't look right. Whatever fits you best is what you should do. Good luck! :salute!:

Buckin' Bronco
11-19-2008, 06:33 PM
Great drawing man!:salute!: There is a member on this board that has a drawing of B-Marsh on his sig. I can't remember the name, maybe he can help polish the drawing and construct a face for Royal. D

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 06:41 PM
Great drawing man!:salute!: There is a member on this board that has a drawing of B-Marsh on his sig. I can't remember the name, maybe he can help polish the drawing and construct a face for Royal. D

Thanks a lot. Yeah I do remember seeing that. If he drew that, then that's amazing! I might ask him for some tips, cause I would feel wrong letting somebody touch my own work if ya know what I mean. Just wouldn't be "mine" anymore.

Buckin' Bronco
11-19-2008, 06:49 PM
Thanks a lot. Yeah I do remember seeing that. If he drew that, then that's amazing! I might ask him for some tips, cause I would feel wrong letting somebody touch my own work if ya know what I mean. Just wouldn't be "mine" anymore.

Yeah it's cool. you should keep your work man. I'll contact you somehow if I can find that person. Could you draw one of Cutler. That would be awesome bro.:D Maybe the picture in my sig.

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 06:53 PM
Yeah it's cool. you should keep your work man. I'll contact you somehow if I can find that person. Could you draw one of Cutler. That would be awesome bro.:D Maybe the picture in my sig.

Probably could draw one for you. Would need to figure out the face problem 1st;)

Buckin' Bronco
11-19-2008, 07:03 PM
Probably could draw one for you. Would need to figure out the face problem 1st;)

Yeah faces are tricky. I just really like that pic because it looks like he's launching a bomb right at me:D Anyways if you have time to draw it thank you, if not thanks too.:salute!:

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Yeah faces are tricky. I just really like that pic because it looks like he's launching a bomb right at me:D Anyways if you have time to draw it thank you, if not thanks too.:salute!:

I could probably try. I would prob have trouble drawing it only because it is so far away and hard to capture detail.

Buckin' Bronco
11-19-2008, 07:19 PM
I could probably try. I would prob have trouble drawing it only because it is so far away and hard to capture detail.

http://www.z28fabian.com/images/broncos002.jpg

How about this one bro!:D

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 07:26 PM
http://www.z28fabian.com/images/broncos002.jpg

How about this one bro!:D

I probably can pull that off;)

RealBronco
11-19-2008, 07:58 PM
alright, the only one i have is this really quick sketch i did for an idea i had.

i never finished it either. maybe i will, i dunno...

also it's very blury.. camera phone...etc.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e178/misterbutler/Image047.jpg

Colorado69
11-19-2008, 08:00 PM
Nice work. Very talented. Keep at it and you will improve and gain more confidence. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Buckin' Bronco
11-19-2008, 08:13 PM
Hey don't forget to vote for the pro bowl. I voted for every Bronco I could!:D

Bronco-24
11-19-2008, 08:19 PM
alright, the only one i have is this really quick sketch i did for an idea i had.

i never finished it either. maybe i will, i dunno...

also it's very blury.. camera phone...etc.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e178/misterbutler/Image047.jpg

I like that a lot. You should put some time aside to finish it up.:salute!:

chazoe60
11-19-2008, 08:20 PM
Thank you. I love to draw and would like to major something that involves are in college so I better practice and get some feedback now!:salute!:

Keep it up. As far as college goes, if you can find something to major in that you both enjoy and can make a living at, work hard and get it done. Like sucks if you have to go to a job you hate, so good luck

RealBronco
11-19-2008, 09:18 PM
thanks dude! i'm a little rusty.

also, i'd recommend going into some sort of Graphic Design. It's art related and relavent to today's growing media demands and I'll bet you'd land a killer job.

Ravage!!!
11-19-2008, 11:14 PM
I didn't try to finish... but wanted to show Bronco-24 that the head/face is the same thing as the jersey... but the most IMPORTANT aspect to any drawing, is getting the proportions down... use lines THROUGH the drawing (like following the line of the arm THROUGH the head) to find exactly where everything goes. Be sure to watch and look for the tilt of shoulders, head, neck... hips

I should have taken more time on this... but just wanted to give a rough sketch to show that OVER detail isn't necessary to get a face to work. Just work it like the wrinkles of a shirt mixed with the lines of bone.

http://s368.photobucket.com/albums/oo123/Ravage2734/?action=view&current=DSC00930.jpg

http://s368.photobucket.com/albums/oo123/Ravage2734/?action=view&current=DSC00929.jpg

Bronco-24
11-20-2008, 05:42 AM
I didn't try to finish... but wanted to show Bronco-24 that the head/face is the same thing as the jersey... but the most IMPORTANT aspect to any drawing, is getting the proportions down... use lines THROUGH the drawing (like following the line of the arm THROUGH the head) to find exactly where everything goes. Be sure to watch and look for the tilt of shoulders, head, neck... hips

I should have taken more time on this... but just wanted to give a rough sketch to show that OVER detail isn't necessary to get a face to work. Just work it like the wrinkles of a shirt mixed with the lines of bone.

http://s368.photobucket.com/albums/oo123/Ravage2734/?action=view&current=DSC00930.jpg

http://s368.photobucket.com/albums/oo123/Ravage2734/?action=view&current=DSC00929.jpg
That is fantastic Ravage! Wow, it makes mine look like **** :laugh:. I need some tips on how to smooth my shading too like you did.

karnage
11-20-2008, 09:12 AM
Make some copies and practice with different faces/expressions until you put it together how you want...then add the face.

ging
11-20-2008, 12:47 PM
(Old)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/334762479_1146874028_0.jpg

(New)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/335012936_1147800199_0.jpg

I worked on it for about 2 more hours and this is what I came up with. Still kinda blurry only because it's a cell phone pic. I will be sure to get it scanned or something in the next couple days so you guys can see it exactly. Still I have to work on Royal's left arm and his head (Of course) Let me know what you guys think this time around.

Its looking better so far. I see you worked on his arms, they look quite a bit better already. I think the jersey could be made a bit darker still. Think about the local color of the jersey, its a pretty dark blue and quite a bit darker then the white pants. You are on the right track man, don't let the face intimidate you, they are just shapes and tones like everyhing else. You have shown us that you can draw fairly well in the folds and other details like that, but you are too worked up about the face. Try to think about it more like the folds and less like a face.

I would definately reccomend taking a life drawing class and spending time in front of a model. Study anatomy, learn about light and shade and how it describes a form, keep drawing, sketch daily (advice I need to listen to)

Dallas264
11-20-2008, 12:52 PM
dude That Is Awesome That Is The Best Drawing I Have Ever Seen

Bronco-24
11-20-2008, 01:14 PM
I made the mistake of drawing this on computer paper so I don't think I can really get the shading polished because of this. The paper's texture holds me back and that's definitely a factor for shading right?:confused:

ging
11-20-2008, 01:37 PM
I made the mistake of drawing this on computer paper so I don't think I can really get the shading polished because of this. The paper's texture holds me back and that's definitely a factor for shading right?:confused:

It may hold you back a bit, but you are getting so nice darks in there. what type of pencils are you using?

CinnaMunMun
11-20-2008, 01:40 PM
I made the mistake of drawing this on computer paper so I don't think I can really get the shading polished because of this. The paper's texture holds me back and that's definitely a factor for shading right?:confused:

It can have an effect no doubt, but you might still be able to push it with a really soft pencil (like a 4B or 6B).

Your revised version though is a lot better than your first (and the first was good too ;)) and is really looking great. His right arm is looking much better with the new shading and the jersey is really getting some nice depth. :thumb:

GreasyQtip
11-20-2008, 01:44 PM
Skip the head and just call him the Headless Horseman...

Bronco-24
11-20-2008, 01:48 PM
It may hold you back a bit, but you are getting so nice darks in there. what type of pencils are you using?

I am only using a Ebony pencil and a blender so I am making the best of what I have.


It can have an effect no doubt, but you might still be able to push it with a really soft pencil (like a 4B or 6B).

Your revised version though is a lot better than your first (and the first was good too ;)) and is really looking great. His right arm is looking much better with the new shading and the jersey is really getting some nice depth. :thumb:

Thanks. Last night I finished the head and it doesn't look EXACTLY like him but then again it's not like you can't even tell who it is. I will post it up right now...


Skip the head and just call him the Headless Horseman...

Haha, I actually JUST finished the head last night....

Bronco-24
11-20-2008, 01:52 PM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/0000.jpg
Now I would like any suggestions you may have. Especially about his face cause like I stated, I'm not great at them.

Ravage!!!
11-20-2008, 03:16 PM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/chel619316/0000.jpg
Now I would like any suggestions you may have. Especially about his face cause like I stated, I'm not great at them.

you are getting there. To me, the obvious problem is that the head is just a bit too big for the body. Getting things in proportion is somethign that takes work and practice. Other than that, the ONLY think I would suggest is to 'maybe' consider putting less detail to the teeth themselves. Now.. this depends on what kind of style you want to have ... so please don't think this is some kind of "rule." I mean, beavis and butthead had their own style.... if you get my drift

But sometimes a bit TOO MUCh detail can take away from a piece of work. Just 'hint' at individual teeth rather than having each one have a dark line around them. Make sense? a small.. thin... HINT of a line to separate teeth is usually more than enough.

I am SO proud of you for the rich depth you have added into your jersey.. so lets do the same with your skin tones. See under the arms? notice that the DARK of the skin and the jersey nearly blend together because they are so dark? See the right side of the neck and how dark that is, especially compared to the left?? Remember, skin has the same properties in shading as clothing.

Nice work... keep it up

Bronco-24
11-20-2008, 03:32 PM
you are getting there. To me, the obvious problem is that the head is just a bit too big for the body. Getting things in proportion is somethign that takes work and practice. Other than that, the ONLY think I would suggest is to 'maybe' consider putting less detail to the teeth themselves. Now.. this depends on what kind of style you want to have ... so please don't think this is some kind of "rule." I mean, beavis and butthead had their own style.... if you get my drift

But sometimes a bit TOO MUCh detail can take away from a piece of work. Just 'hint' at individual teeth rather than having each one have a dark line around them. Make sense? a small.. thin... HINT of a line to separate teeth is usually more than enough.

I am SO proud of you for the rich depth you have added into your jersey.. so lets do the same with your skin tones. See under the arms? notice that the DARK of the skin and the jersey nearly blend together because they are so dark? See the right side of the neck and how dark that is, especially compared to the left?? Remember, skin has the same properties in shading as clothing.

Nice work... keep it up
Thanks a lot, You have been a HUGE factor in making the picture what it is now. I will continue to do the "little" things to this to make it all flow together. How do you think (excluding teeth) the rest of the face looks? A little like Royal huh?;)

Ravage!!!
11-20-2008, 03:41 PM
Thanks a lot, You have been a HUGE factor in making the picture what it is now. I will continue to do the "little" things to this to make it all flow together. How do you think (excluding teeth) the rest of the face looks? A little like Royal huh?;)

I'm very proud of you for working on the face!! we work on your anatomy skills some, and you'll have this thing down RIGHT!! ;)

ging
11-20-2008, 04:01 PM
looking very good man.

You need to make some of the midtones darker. as Ravage said, the arms need to be darker. you have a nice dark tone in the jersey shadows, and they need to carry over to the arms, helmet and face. keep up the good work

Bronco-24
11-20-2008, 07:21 PM
I'm very proud of you for working on the face!! we work on your anatomy skills some, and you'll have this thing down RIGHT!! ;)

I felt better once I actually TRIED the face. I will probably pick up a book about the anatomy of drawing and stuff like that. Got some other pics (aren't Broncos though) that I wanna show you.


looking very good man.

You need to make some of the midtones darker. as Ravage said, the arms need to be darker. you have a nice dark tone in the jersey shadows, and they need to carry over to the arms, helmet and face. keep up the good work

Yeah, I will definitely try that. Thanks for the tips as well. I will put them to good use.:D

MileHighMagic15
11-20-2008, 07:24 PM
It's awesome man, I really wish I could draw. haha very cool

Bronco-24
11-20-2008, 07:49 PM
It's awesome man, I really wish I could draw. haha very cool

Ha ha thanks. Took me a while. Still got some work to do.

Broncofan1990
11-20-2008, 07:56 PM
awesome dude

Buckin' Bronco
11-22-2008, 05:52 AM
Hey Bronco 24 I found that dude with that awesome drawing of B-Marsh. His name is
203KillinSpree. That drawing of B-Marsh is SUPERB!:salute!:

Bronco4l1fe
11-22-2008, 06:10 AM
There are some pretty good drawing in here, I must say good work on all you artists. I just don't have any talent or patience either as I have included my talents.....:D

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/Bronco4life/royal.jpg

Orange_Nut
11-22-2008, 06:26 AM
There are some pretty good drawing in here, I must say good work on all you artists. I just don't have any talent or patience either as I have included my talents.....:D

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/Bronco4life/royal.jpg

Thats awesome man!!! I'm pretty artsy fartsy myself.... but I'm more of a paint-by-number type of artist.





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