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JoRo
07-19-2004, 11:17 PM
Since most the people here will say broncos to afc, and its cool bout that, but i wanted an actual sorta deep convo about this: Who do you think will honestly make the superbowl for nfc? i dont think eagles, cuz i mean, they have one of the toughest schedules, and well, kearse could prolly have injury problems, and i dont see how owens could honestly help them team wise, i mean, as a pure athlete sure, but the team stuff comes into consideration too, an at that hell hurt more than help i think.....but wut you all think?

Jared
07-19-2004, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by MoFo_JoRo
Since most the people here will say broncos to afc, and its cool bout that, but i wanted an actual sorta deep convo about this: Who do you think will honestly make the superbowl for nfc? i dont think eagles, cuz i mean, they have one of the toughest schedules, and well, kearse could prolly have injury problems, and i dont see how owens could honestly help them team wise, i mean, as a pure athlete sure, but the team stuff comes into consideration too, an at that hell hurt more than help i think.....but wut you all think?

Eagles will be contenders. Giants are in transition. Cowboys will be tough, but who's gonna play RB for them? And the Redskins should be right behind the Eagles, but they have had the talent to be better for 3 or 4 seaosn now, although I like Gibbs, they haven't proven that they play as well as they should on paper.

I keep getting this nagging suspicion that the Seahawks will leapfrog the Rams in the west. I dunno. Call it a hunch. And Arizona wil be better than people think. They could even surpass the Rams.

I see no reason why the Panthers can't come out of the South again. NO missed their window, I think. Tampa is in transition, and Atlanta still needs to show me that they have some sort of threat OTHER than Vick, although, they should be much more competative than they were last year.

The North is still Green Bay's to lose, unless Minnesota has some sort of defense trick up their sleeve. Chicago still bad. Detroit's getting there, but after a draft in which they really put a good offensive core to gether, they still need some help on D.

I really think you'll see Philly, Seattle, Washington, maybe Dallas, Green Bay and Carolina all right there. Atlanta will push, and Minnesota has tealnet enough to be a playoff team. Not much of a change from last year really.

AlWilsonOwnsU
07-19-2004, 11:55 PM
The Vikings!

daredevil25
07-20-2004, 01:02 AM
Right now the Vikings and Eagles are the heavy favorites to win the NFC, the two also play each other this season. I still like the Seahawks to take the NFC Title, but those two are the cream of the crop.....so far. Other contenders-

Packers- Still a good team, and the transition from depending solely on Favre to the awesome running attack led by Ahman Green will keep them as one of the better teams in the NFC.

Cowboys- I don't see their defense being one of the league's best this year, but around the top 10 and their offense will be slightly better. Contender for the East crown as well.

Redskins- If ever an NFL team was built on star power alone, this is it. I still believe people are a little too high on Gibbs, but if anyone can get this ailing franchise back to the playoffs, its him.

Panthers- Improved front 7, and locked up Smith and Delhomme and didn't lose Muhsin Muhammed to June cuts like many believed was certain.

Saints- If they ever realize there talent and play smart this is easily a playoff bound team. Injuries and terrible misfortune killed them in 02 and 03.

People should keep an eye on the Lions, Bucs, and Rams though.

dandaman23
07-20-2004, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by Jared
I really think you'll see Philly, Seattle, Washington, maybe Dallas, Green Bay and Carolina all right there. Atlanta will push, and Minnesota has tealnet enough to be a playoff team. Not much of a change from last year really.

It is wierd, because all of those teams except for Philly and Green Bay, wouldnt have even been considered a .500 team 5 years ago...

ChampBaily559
07-20-2004, 02:26 AM
the SanFransisco 49ers?????

i mean come on with um..... that one guy at qb, that one HB, you know.... hmmm. well with such a star studded cast of people how do you lose?!?! and i dont even want to start about their D.


of course if for some reason the niners dont make the superbowl i think that the Panthers will. i mean they are the team until somone does somthing about it, right?

ReleaseTheBeast7
07-20-2004, 05:47 AM
Cowboys, especially if they get Eddie George now...

elof
07-20-2004, 06:36 AM
the vikings.

daredevil25
07-20-2004, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by dandaman23
It is wierd, because all of those teams except for Philly and Green Bay, wouldnt have even been considered a .500 team 5 years ago... Not to be nit picky but 5 years ago Philly was one of the worst teams in the league.

EagleInLA
07-20-2004, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by DBfan4lyfe
Cowboys, especially if they get Eddie George now...

They still don't have a QB who can throw more TD's than INTs. Cowboys will be good this year but the year after next is when I'll really start worrying.

The Eagles have to be the favorite on paper. I'm looking for an Eagles vs Seahawks NFCCG and an Eagles vs. Broncos SB.

JED Bronco
07-20-2004, 10:36 AM
Redskins have nothing in their way outside of their division. The Cowboys will be their only competition.

Gibbs inherited alot of talent and he made it better in the off season. Portis has a line to run behind and I'm looking at Denver vs. Washington in the dance.

Denver has to get past a definitely improved Patriot team...that could be Denvers achillies.

I think this will be a great year for watching football. NFL style!!!

broncsx3
07-20-2004, 10:38 AM
The Falcons.

In the crappy NFC a weaker team can definitly go all the way and the Falcons have everything you look for:

1. Best player in the league in Mike Vike (stay healthy man!) Falcons won 3 of 4 with him last year. This team was a hell of a lot better then their record showed last season, especially the defense which looked paper thin. They are extremely talented at the skill positions too.

2. New coach that knows how to motivate people. Not to mention the best offensive line coach in the NFL. These guys are good for 2-3 more victories alone!

3. Lots of hungry youth that is ready to excel, including a very strong draft and a nice offseason of some low noise, high impact free agents.

4. The NFL lately is about the last-to-first stories and Falcons are as good a pick as any to do exactly that.

5. No team with Terrell Owens can win it! Just can't happen!!! :D

EagleInLA
07-20-2004, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by JED Bronco
Redskins have nothing in their way outside of their division. The Cowboys will be their only competition.

Gibbs inherited alot of talent and he made it better in the off season. Portis has a line to run behind and I'm looking at Denver vs. Washington in the dance.

Denver has to get past a definitely improved Patriot team...that could be Denvers achillies.

I think this will be a great year for watching football. NFL style!!!

I think the team that one the last three NFC East titles will still be in the Redskins way(Eagles). For the last two years Snyder has gone out and spent exhorbitant amounts of money to try and buy a playoff worthy team. Every preseason all the "experts" pick the Redskins to be one of the best in the NFC and both years they've ended up at the bottom of the standings. New system, new players, and new coaches for the third year in a row. If Snyder give up his control to Gibbs they could be a great team in A COUPLE OF YEARS.

The NFC East has three teams in a transistionary state, it will be a good division this year and possibly a great division the year after.

Helderht_
07-20-2004, 10:57 AM
The eagles have a very nice team, the seahawks and the vikings too, but I think that the NFC title will stay in Philadelphia, the eagles have been working hard for this and now I know that they deserve this and has potential to get it...

JRWIZ
07-20-2004, 11:34 AM
Philly is the cream of the crop. Great coach grreat players they were a without credibile receivers last year. Have lost a couple of folks but picked Kearse and owens. Should make the SB this year.

Dallas could do it all if they can come up with a QB. Won;t win it with Qunicy unless Parcells is able to put up alot mirrors and play with smoke on the field. There D will be one of the best.

NYG could be a sleeper, Redskins will win some games but Gibbs in not going to take them to the SB. Way to many changes to assimulate. Way to tough a division for them to win it all.

SEA seems to be the best of the rest. Greenbay with the right luck could do it also. MIN has a RB that had been injured and will be back, with Moss and Bennett, they could easliy outscore anyone.

Improved will be PHX but a couple of year away.

JED Bronco
07-22-2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by EagleInLA
I think the team that one the last three NFC East titles will still be in the Redskins way(Eagles). For the last two years Snyder has gone out and spent exhorbitant amounts of money to try and buy a playoff worthy team. Every preseason all the "experts" pick the Redskins to be one of the best in the NFC and both years they've ended up at the bottom of the standings. New system, new players, and new coaches for the third year in a row. If Snyder give up his control to Gibbs they could be a great team in A COUPLE OF YEARS.

The NFC East has three teams in a transistionary state, it will be a good division this year and possibly a great division the year after.

In the NFL you don't have a couple of years any more...Free agency, coaches having to keep their jobs...etc; If you have noticed ? Joe Gibbs has acquired OL to match up with Portis the old Hogg coach has returned, and the NFC East hasn't seen a decent dominating running game in years. Joe don't play that wait and see stuff with players. He'll make the talent rise or cut it.

EagleInLA
07-22-2004, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by JED Bronco
In the NFL you don't have a couple of years any more...Free agency, coaches having to keep their jobs...etc; If you have noticed ? Joe Gibbs has acquired OL to match up with Portis the old Hogg coach has returned, and the NFC East hasn't seen a decent dominating running game in years. Joe don't play that wait and see stuff with players. He'll make the talent rise or cut it.

Joe Gibbs is not God. Even the greatest coaches like Parcells speak of a three year plan. Great teams take longer than a season to build. Yes, every year there will be changes but for the most part a consistantly succesful team's core stays the same. There have been teams who have been able to continually make the playoffs even in this age of FA: Patriots, Eagles, Titans, Rams...

Every player on that team now has to learn a new system, it takes time to execute a new system well. Using a Bronco as an example, Plummer had a good year last year but now that he's been in the system for a year I would have really high expectations for him this year. I do think the Redskins will be good but give them a year or two and then I'll start getting really concerned.

elof
07-22-2004, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by EagleInLA
I do think the Redskins will be good but give them a year or two and then I'll start getting really concerned.

the funny thing is that this has been said about the redskins for the last 5-6 years. i think it would be funny as hell if gibbs fell on his face this time around. i would really be curious as to how washington fans would handle danny boy firing the mighty coach gibbs.

EagleInLA
07-22-2004, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by elof
the funny thing is that this has been said about the redskins for the last 5-6 years. i think it would be funny as hell if gibbs fell on his face this time around. i would really be curious as to how washington fans would handle danny boy firing the mighty coach gibbs.

Truer words have never been spoken. :D
I hope they fail.

tennesseehusky
07-23-2004, 12:23 AM
Well I'm definately BIASED in my opinion but I'll go with the Falcons. Carolina did it last year and due to how the schedule goes, the Falcons have things in their favor. They have a favorable first half of the year with the bulk of division games in the second half, giving them time to gel. Mora brings in a new philosophy, which the players seem to really be getting behind. They certainly aren't the most talented team but have a healthy and rejuvinated Vick coming back plus they have added some nice pieces to the puzzle. Crumpler is ready for a break out season, Price will have his head back in the game with Vick's return and having Alex Gibbs as our line coach will help turn questionable players into decent or solid players. The defense, which isn't the greatest, will benifit mostly from switching back to a 4-3 and moving Brooking outside will be a very good move. Kerney will have a breakout year by being in the 4-3 so he isn't constintly catching double teams. Dropping Ray Buchanon and Tyrone " Toast" Williams you get addition by subtraction for their secondary. Rookies DeAngelo Hall and Michael Jenkins are key pick ups for the Falcons. With all that said, no game is out of reach for the Falcons with a healthy, smarter and happier Michael Vick in the line up. Without Vick last season becomes no fluke but with Vick 2002 becomes no fluke and they have a better coaching philosophy and a few better players then they had in 2002. I'm looking for a rematch with the Broncos in the Super Bowl, only this time I'm looking for a diferent ending. See you in January, I hope.

elof
07-23-2004, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by tennesseehusky
Well I'm definately BIASED in my opinion but I'll go with the Falcons. Carolina did it last year and due to how the schedule goes, the Falcons have things in their favor. They have a favorable first half of the year with the bulk of division games in the second half, giving them time to gel. Mora brings in a new philosophy, which the players seem to really be getting behind. They certainly aren't the most talented team but have a healthy and rejuvinated Vick coming back plus they have added some nice pieces to the puzzle. Crumpler is ready for a break out season, Price will have his head back in the game with Vick's return and having Alex Gibbs as our line coach will help turn questionable players into decent or solid players. The defense, which isn't the greatest, will benifit mostly from switching back to a 4-3 and moving Brooking outside will be a very good move. Kerney will have a breakout year by being in the 4-3 so he isn't constintly catching double teams. Dropping Ray Buchanon and Tyrone " Toast" Williams you get addition by subtraction for their secondary. Rookies DeAngelo Hall and Michael Jenkins are key pick ups for the Falcons. With all that said, no game is out of reach for the Falcons with a healthy, smarter and happier Michael Vick in the line up. Without Vick last season becomes no fluke but with Vick 2002 becomes no fluke and they have a better coaching philosophy and a few better players then they had in 2002. I'm looking for a rematch with the Broncos in the Super Bowl, only this time I'm looking for a diferent ending. See you in January, I hope.

i like vick a lot but i don't think falcons are there yet. bringing in a new coach always means a down while everyone gets on the same page.

i think they should be a playoff team but i don't think they ar eready for a run at the superbowl.

EagleInLA
07-23-2004, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by tennesseehusky
Carolina did it last year and due to how the schedule goes, the Falcons have things in their favor. They have a favorable first half of the year with the bulk of division games in the second half, giving them time to gel.

With a healthy Vick I see the Falcons doing really well and could be a contender, but again I think it's too soon. Carolina has had the same coach and system for the last few years.

Also, just a side note, if you calculate this years strenght of schedule based upon last years results the Cowboys have the easiest schedule and Eagles have the second easiest.

elof
07-23-2004, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by EagleInLA
With a healthy Vick I see the Falcons doing really well and could be a contender, but again I think it's too soon. Carolina has had the same coach and system for the last few years.

Also, just a side note, if you calculate this years strenght of schedule based upon last years results the Cowboys have the easiest schedule and Eagles have the second easiest.

can you do that calculation for the vikings? i know they have a very tough schudule. i'm very curious to see how tough. i'm too lazy to do it.

EagleInLA
07-23-2004, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by elof
can you do that calculation for the vikings? i know they have a very tough schudule. i'm very curious to see how tough. i'm too lazy to do it.

2004 Strength of Schedule Rankings (http://www.theredzone.org/strength.asp) Follow the Link.

tennesseehusky
07-23-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by elof
i like vick a lot but i don't think falcons are there yet. bringing in a new coach always means a down while everyone gets on the same page.

i think they should be a playoff team but i don't think they ar eready for a run at the superbowl.





You may be correct but as I said, I'm Biased and since the Falcons have NEVER had back to back winning seasons, it's all cleared for them to do very well. Now next season is a whole different animal.

daredevil25
07-23-2004, 11:22 PM
Love the optimism for the Falcons, but guys we're going into this season a confident, but learning and young team. Our WRs are still mostly unproven, Gibbs albeit one of the best all time has a bad unit to try and make VERY good in a short training camp, the secondary is revamped at CB but its depending on a rookie to be the man and a guy coming off injury to be the RCB, last but not least our LBs are average as a unit, and our defensive line should improve, but mostly filled w/ 30 year olds and if Ellis Johnson retires there goes the depth we potentially have. Johnson and FA Rod Coleman have been the league's most QB sacking DTs the last two seasons (Coleman w/ 11 in 2002, Johnson w/ 8 in 2003) and gives us a consistent pass rush up the middle, if both play this season. Our rookies, especially Day 1 picks, each have a chance to start, but Demorrio Williams, Etric Pruitt and Quincy Wilson will be special teamers and backups far down the depth chart. Lavalais may be in heavy DT rotation, but other than that, I doubt we see much past Hall and Jenkins, maybe Schaub.

I just don't see us as a playoff team unless the Bucs are worse than I give them and the Saints have a complete letdown. The Panthers are OWNED by Michael Vick (they've never beaten him and he's outgained them by himself in those games) but if he's injured for more than 3-4 games that could be the window them or any team in the South needs to get ahead of the Falcons.

Arab Bronco
07-24-2004, 04:03 AM
Since most the people here will say broncos to afc, and its cool bout that, but i wanted an actual sorta deep convo about this: Who do you think will honestly make the superbowl for nfc? i dont think eagles, cuz i mean, they have one of the toughest schedules, and well, kearse could prolly have injury problems, and i dont see how owens could honestly help them team wise, i mean, as a pure athlete sure, but the team stuff comes into consideration too, an at that hell hurt more than help i think.....but wut you all think?
i believe that owens will help alot more than he will hurt. i dont know why people think he's selfish, just because he wants the ball. if you have a player on your team with the caliber of terrell owens why wouldnt you pass to him all the time, he only wants to win. who else would McNabb pass to anyway, Todd Pinkson? give me a break. Well atleast McNabb could carry his offense to the NFC title match 3 years in a row without a decent reciever, now imagine what he's gonna do with a GO-TO type receiver as Owens.
Eagles make it to the Superbowl, after 4th attempt this year.

JED Bronco
07-24-2004, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by EagleInLA
2004 Strength of Schedule Rankings (http://www.theredzone.org/strength.asp) Follow the Link.


Over how many years is this thing? 125 wins vs 131 losses?

How much have you done lately would be more acurate don't yah think?


Denvers schedule is definitely tougher than 23rd.

Africangod
07-24-2004, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Jared
Cowboys will be tough, but who's gonna play RB for them?

Julius Jones is going to play rb for the cowboys. They just signed eddie george so he is going to be getting some playing time and tutor julius jones as well.

TXBRONC
07-24-2004, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Africangod
Julius Jones is going to play rb for the cowboys. They just signed eddie george so he is going to be getting some playing time and tutor julius jones as well.

It's pretty clear you really don't know about Parcells. He likes backs that can grind it out George is the type of big back that Parcells has always coveted. Strange you live in MASS. but you don't know anything about what kind of players Bill likes. Oh I forgetting I'm talking to novice with delusions of granduer.

EagleInLA
07-26-2004, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by JED Bronco
Over how many years is this thing? 125 wins vs 131 losses?

How much have you done lately would be more acurate don't yah think?


Denvers schedule is definitely tougher than 23rd.

You're misunderstanding how the statistic is computed. It's last years combined record of the teams you play this year, so it couldn't get any more recent. Look at your schedule for this year and write each opponents win/loss record from last year next to their name. Add all there records together and you will come up withe 125 wins and 131 losses. Since it is based upon last years records your schedule will look relatively easy since the Raiders and Chargers both finished 4-12.

That said, it's just a stat and doesn't really mean much, just interesting to see. The fun will start next year when the NFC East and the AFC West finally match up again. Those should be some great games.

Jared
07-27-2004, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Africangod
Julius Jones is going to play rb for the cowboys. They just signed eddie george so he is going to be getting some playing time and tutor julius jones as well.

Ah. I posted my statement on the 19th of Julty, so I did not knwo George would sign with them. He can still grind every down, but he is not a homerun threat. The Jones/George combo should definitely be an improvement over Hambrick. Now if they can get an effiecient QB........

JRWIZ
07-27-2004, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Jared
Ah. I posted my statement on the 19th of Julty, so I did not knwo George would sign with them. He can still grind every down, but he is not a homerun threat. The Jones/George combo should definitely be an improvement over Hambrick. Now if they can get an effiecient QB........

I agree about QB, but will also add the owner needs to stay away from the sidelines it sends mixed messages to the team.

Booher
07-27-2004, 09:45 PM
I say seattle has a legitimate shot

JoRo
07-27-2004, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Booher
I say seattle has a legitimate shot

any reason why?

Elway4King
07-27-2004, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by MoFo_JoRo
any reason why?

I'll take it from here. Because they know how to win home games and now all they need to do is step up and win a couple more road games. They have great balance on offense and one of the best offensive minds in football coaching it. Hasselbach has finally emerged as a legit QB and Alexander is as solid an RB as there is in the NFL. They have a great young secondary led by Hamlin and Trufant and the addition of the physical Bobby Taylor softens the loss of Springs. The addition of Grant Wistrom will bolster their front four (especially against the run where Wistrom excels).

Just remember how they were bumped out of the playoffs a year ago. An interception return in OT AT GREEN BAY! They were close last year and I think they have gotten better. Chalk up two road wins already at Arizona and San Francisco. If they can go 8-0 at home like they did last year then that would be 10-6 assuming they can't win another road game (which I think they will) and they are in the playoffs.

The bottom line is, if they can win a few more road games they will win the NFC West and roll into the playoffs.

My prediction:

Colts over the Seahawks in the SB

Cody J. Esquire

Booher
07-27-2004, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Elway4King
I'll take it from here. Because they know how to win home games and now all they need to do is step up and win a couple more road games. They have great balance on offense and one of the best offensive minds in football coaching it. Hasselbach has finally emerged as a legit QB and Alexander is as solid an RB as there is in the NFL. They have a great young secondary led by Hamlin and Trufant and the addition of the physical Bobby Taylor softens the loss of Springs. The addition of Grant Wistrom will bolster their front four (especially against the run where Wistrom excels).

Just remember how they were bumped out of the playoffs a year ago. An interception return in OT AT GREEN BAY! They were close last year and I think they have gotten better. Chalk up two road wins already at Arizona and San Francisco. If they can go 8-0 at home like they did last year then that would be 10-6 assuming they can't win another road game (which I think they will) and they are in the playoffs.

The bottom line is, if they can win a few more road games they will win the NFC West and roll into the playoffs.

My prediction:

Colts over the Seahawks in the SB

Cody J. Esquire

welp there ya go

JoRo
07-27-2004, 11:08 PM
I dont see the colts makin the superbowl, too many other good teams to beat them, at least it looks like it to me. I mean, the colts seemingly only got weaker on defense...... and Manning, Harrison, and Edge can only carry them so far. For one, if we make the playoffs, and this may sound biased but I dont mean just cuz its the Broncos, I cant see them gettin past us now with a better D. I mean barrin injuries i see us as at the very least playoff contenders, plus i think ravens d could be pretty good this year if they play them, or one of the other good AFC defenses, i mean, if they shut down mannin.......edge wouldnt be able to carry the team through a game, I dont think so anyways.

Elway4King
07-27-2004, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by MoFo_JoRo
I dont see the colts makin the superbowl, too many other good teams to beat them, at least it looks like it to me. I mean, the colts seemingly only got weaker on defense...... and Manning, Harrison, and Edge can only carry them so far. For one, if we make the playoffs, and this may sound biased but I dont mean just cuz its the Broncos, I cant see them gettin past us now with a better D. I mean barrin injuries i see us as at the very least playoff contenders, plus i think ravens d could be pretty good this year if they play them, or one of the other good AFC defenses, i mean, if they shut down mannin.......edge wouldnt be able to carry the team through a game, I dont think so anyways.

I hope you're right about Denver but if you're going to use the argument that Indy got worse on D then you have to admit that Denver definately did not improve on O. Losing Eddie, Portis, and Sharpe are major blows and I am not sure yet how Denver will be on O (I'm predicting a dropoff but lets hope I'm wrong). IMO right now the Colts are a better team then Denver.

As far as the Ravens go, they do have a great D but that offense will struggle mightily if Jamal Lewis doesn't play as Billick is threatening. And even if he does play Boller is not ready for a deep playoff run.

The Patriots seem like the pick in the AFC but no team has won back to back since the Broncos and no team that was the Vegas favorite heading into the season has won the Super Bowl since 1998 so toss the Pats. Broncos D should be better but their O should not be as good. Ravens will struggle offensively. Titans are a solid team with few weaknesses but besides McNair they don't have any real strong points. The Chiefs, well, they may have changed their D coordinator but you can't polish a turd. You're right, the Colts D will probably still struggle but that O is good enough to carry the team and barring injuries I think they are the best in the AFC.

Cody J. Esquire

JoRo
07-28-2004, 09:21 AM
Well I think we will have some dropoff in our offense, but with Shanny it wont be as bad as some people expect. Plus we at least tried to improve it some when we lost sharpe and mac. I mean Didn't the Colts only lose a player in free agency? I remember reading that they didnt actually get anyone. Plus they really dont have much defense to begin with ( did you see the Colt cheif game?) I just cant see them makin it past some of the better defenses this time around, i think they may make the playoffs, but i think either we'll bat them down or someone else will. The afc has quite a few teams that i think are as good or better than the colts. And to argue bout how we lost alot of players, yea we did, but we also lessened the damage some with our free agent pickups, I mean, reciever is our biggest question. With our commitment to the run, we will get 1000+ yards rushin, its jus a matter of how many times well actually have to run to do it. I aint sayin that our system will make the back or that cuz being a realist, i do think somewhere that will end, but not wit how commited shanny is, so i dunno, i think we will at the least make the playoffs.