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CanDB
08-13-2009, 07:12 AM
http://oak.scout.com/a.z?s=66&p=2&c=887802

Scout.com's Chris Steuber continues the top 10 prospects series and begins to breakdown the AFC West with the Denver Broncos leading off. In this series, an NFL prospect is classified as a player entering their third year in the NFL or is under 25 years old. Find out who Steuber targeted as the Broncos top 10 prospects inside.

1) Ryan Clady
2) Eddie Royal
3) Knowshon Moreno
4) Robert Ayers
5) Alphonso Smith
6) Ryan Harris
7) Tim Crowder
8) Peyton Hillis
9) Jack Williams
10) Wesley Woodyard

After the Miami Dolphins selected Jake Long with the first pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, there were six more tackles taken after him in the first round. One of those tackles was Ryan Clady, who was the second tackle selected in the draft and the 12th pick overall by the Denver Broncos. Coming from the WAC conference - a conference that’s considered one of the weakest in Division I football - Clady dominated the competition for three years and decided to forego his senior season to explore his game at the next level. Clady did much more than explore in his first year.

After a standout rookie season, Clady is on the verge of being the best OT in the NFL.

It’s hard to imagine that a rookie offensive tackle could dominate from the moment he stepped into the league, but the 6-foot-6, 309-pound athletic mauler did just that. The No. 1 prospect in the Broncos organization, Clady started all 16 games for the Broncos and allowed just a half of a sack the entire season, which ranked first among all left tackles in the league. For his efforts, Clady finished third behind Matt Ryan and Chris Johnson respectively in the Offensive Rookie of the Year voting and was named second team All-Pro. The honor that Clady didn’t receive, but his draft counterpart Long did, was a trip to Hawaii to star in the Pro Bowl. Players are usually voted into the Pro Bowl based on reputation, and as good as Clady was in his first year, he wasn’t the top pick in the draft, didn’t play for a playoff team and didn’t have the name recognition that others possess around the league, yet. Clady’s game is now being compared to some of the best tackles in the league, including future Hall of Famer Walter Jones. The sensational first season that Clady put together provides the Broncos with a sense of security on the left side of their line. And from this point on, Clady will be a perennial Pro Bowl selection.

Another 2008 draft pick, second round wide receiver Eddie Royal, also played at a Pro Bowl level during his first year. Known for his ability as a return specialist at Virginia Tech, Royal was a good slot receiver with the Hokies, but he struggled to show consistency catching the ball and running routes. Although, something clicked for the second rated prospect in the organization during his first year with the Broncos; maybe it was the fact that he was surrounded by better talent and had a quarterback that could get him the ball, but Royal showcased great ability as a receiver. In his first career game, which happened to be on Monday Night Football, Royal emerged on national television as a player to keep an eye on and caught nine passes for 146 yards and a touchdown. He started in 15 of 16 games [missing one game due to injury] and finished the season with 91 receptions for 980 yards and five touchdowns. Royal’s 91 catches were the most by a rookie since Anquan Boldin hauled in 101 during the 2003 season. At 5-foot-10, 180 pounds, Royal’s size and skill are best suited for the slot, because he’s most dangerous in space. But, expect him to be moved all around – inside, outside and even in the backfield for some trickery - to create mismatches. If Royal can stay healthy, he will once again approach 90 catches.

The Broncos have done a nice job of drafting the last two years, and this past April they secured three players that immediately will become top five prospects in the organization - running back Knowshon Moreno (No. 3), linebacker Robert Ayers (No. 4) and cornerback Alphonso Smith (No. 5). All three players have the talent and opportunity to enjoy the same success in their first year as Clady and Royal experienced.

Moreno has a lot of talent and it's possible he starts the year as the featured back in Denver.

At 5-foot-11, 217 pounds, Moreno is a mirror image of future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson. Everything that they do on the field is comparable, from their ability to their physique, even their versatility; it’s all eerily similar. And the irony is that Moreno ended up in the AFC West, the same division that Tomlinson tore up for the last decade. Moreno is a tremendously gifted offensive weapon who finished his career at Georgia with 1,400 yards and 16 touchdowns. He runs with outstanding pad level, displays great vision and tremendous cutback ability. He has a quick first step and is lethal on the edge. He’s deceptively strong between the tackles and will fight for extra yards. He’s faster than his timed speed suggests and has the potential to take it the distance from anywhere on the field. Moreno plays with a lot of emotions and is a high energy player who can occasionally be taken out of his game if he’s not productive. The upside of Moreno is limitless, his talent is obvious, and judging from the success that the ’08 running back class had in the NFL last year, don’t be surprised if he’s the starter on opening day.

With the Broncos switching to a 3-4 defense, Ayers will make the transition from defensive end to linebacker. At 6-foot-3, 272 pounds, Ayers could play DE for the Broncos, but his athleticism and ability to get in the backfield make him a great weapon off the edge. A bit of a late bloomer, Ayers was a backup at Tennessee for his first three years and finally broke into the starting lineup as a senior. In his first year as a starter, Ayers had an up and down year and finished with 49 tackles, 15.5 for a loss and just three sacks. The 15.5 tackles for a loss shows his ability to get in the backfield and terrorize, which is what they envision Ayers doing more of with his transition to outside linebacker. Ayers is more quick than fast and uses his hands very well. He has a powerful lower body and great leg drive. He attacks mostly on the outside and has the ability to bring his momentum inside. He has an explosive nature, but has to develop better technique to compensate for his lack of straight-line speed. He has to show better awareness and improve his run defense. It will be interesting to see how Ayers progresses as a player, because he’s one of a handful of players selected in the first round that’s the ultimate boom or bust prospect.

A first year player that the Broncos are extremely high on, which was shown during the draft when they traded their 2010 first round pick to Seattle to get him, is Smith. If Smith were a few inches taller he would have been a top 20 lock, but at 5-foot-9 and 193 pounds some wonder if he’s just a very talented nickel corner. Smith will start his career as the team’s nickel corner with Champ Bailey and Andre Goodman patrolling the outside, and will take some of the return responsibilities away from Royal so he can concentrate more on offense. Smith may be undersized, but he’s a physical, productive defender who registered 39 tackles and seven interceptions to close out his career at Wake Forest. He displays good route recognition and is a determined defender. He’s effective facing the action, locates the ball quickly and possesses excellent closing speed and ball skills that allow him to turn defense into offense. He is a very instinctive defender who has a great sense of timing. Smith plays physical at the line, and at the NFL level he will have to display that ability in the slot. It’s unfortunate that Smith’s career will always be tied to the first round pick that the Broncos gave up to acquire him, because if he struggles in his first year, fans will clamor for the unknown. A note to Broncos fans… don’t worry, the Broncos stole Smith in the second round and will be rewarded with an outstanding playmaker for years to come.

Rounding out the top 10 are third year offensive tackle Ryan Harris and defensive end Tim Crowder at No. 6 and 7 respectively as well as second year contributors fullback Peyton Hills (No. 8), cornerback Jack Williams (No. 9) and linebacker Wesley Woodyard (No. 10). Just missing the cut were former first round disappointment Jarvis Moss, free safety Josh Barrett and defensive end Ryan McBean.


Can's comments:

Interesting evaluation. Hopefully Crowder and Moss can raise their level of play under new coaches...I think they will. Possibly the 07 draft would come full circle if they do (along with decent play from Thomas).

And of the top 10, there is an even split on O and D. Throw in the just misses, and it's 8 to 5 for the D, which would make some sense based on last year's play. Although we should not confuse this list with what we needed going into 09, as many of the players are in their 2nd or 3rd year.

Bottom line to me is that we have a lot of really good young players on this squad.........and of high character.

BIG AL
08-13-2009, 07:57 AM
Seems to me that Peyton Hillis is one of the most underrated players in the NFL at the moment. Seems like almost everyone outside of Denver is pretty much clueless to just how good a player this guy is. For example on this list he is rated below Crowder. Yet is probably one of the 3 or 4 best fullback prospects to enter the league in 8 to 10 years...

CanDB
08-13-2009, 08:01 AM
Seems to me that Peyton Hillis is one of the most underrated players in the NFL at the moment. Seems like almost everyone outside of Denver is pretty much clueless to just how good a player this guy is. For example on this list he is rated below Crowder. Yet is probably one of the 3 or 4 best fullback prospects to enter the league in 8 to 10 years...

I tend to agree. Although in fairness, he didn't have much exposure last year, but neither did Crowder for that matter.

Something about versatile fullback types.......

Soldier96B
08-13-2009, 08:03 AM
Good read thanks. And I think Moss will surprise people this year and I think Moreno will be a beast with our o-line. He should easliy be in contention for ROY.

RodSmithRules
08-13-2009, 08:11 AM
Wow. Crowder above Hillis? I mean, Hillis is a beast and all, but I wouldn't have thought to put Crowder above him.

That isn't to say I don't want Crowder to succeed. I've been pulling for him since we drafted him. It's just surprising.

And of course Clady is numero uno. He should've been a Pro Bowl starter last year as a rookie. So much potential for this guy. :salute!:

:go:

BIG AL
08-13-2009, 08:11 AM
"I tend to agree. Although in fairness, he didn't have much exposure last year"


Yea, thats seems to be the key to it. He had his 6 game stretch near the end where he actually got to play and get the ball and that was pretty much it so far. So it definatly makes sense that he isnt that well known yet. Without the injury taking away the last 3 games im sure he would be much more known outside of Denver...

dizzolve
08-13-2009, 09:18 AM
This off season really shored up my evaluation of Hillis. I am so high on this guy. When I watch his highlights I get an adrenaline rush. He's a bull with skill and smarts.

That Pollard hit is just soo sweet. Not to mention he did a Kno-Mo hurdle last year too only to finish up that run knocking over 2 more defenders on his way down. I love the guy -he just needs to expand his musical tastes

CanDB
08-13-2009, 09:34 AM
This off season really shored up my evaluation of Hillis. I am so high on this guy. When I watch his highlights I get an adrenaline rush. He's a bull with skill and smarts.

That Pollard hit is just soo sweet. Not to mention he did a Kno-Mo hurdle last year too only to finish up that run knocking over 2 more defenders on his way down. I love the guy -he just needs to expand his musical tastes

I can see Peyton opening huge holes for Knowshon, bashing through for solid gains himself, and then catching some balls as a nice variation. I am really getting this McD philosophy - competitive, intelligent, versatile and high character players who will wear the Broncos uniform with pride.......

On a side note, but a complementary one.......unless he changes, not convinced that Marshall will fit this organization for too long.

stevelkinevil
08-13-2009, 10:48 AM
I am really exited to see Hillis run people over this year and I think my fears that McD wont give him enough touches are slowly being assuaged. I mean the guy really punishes opposing Ds and is still athletic enough to hurdle a guy or two while doing it!!!!

Can-do22
08-13-2009, 11:26 AM
The reason Hillis was still around in the 7th round was that he was a team player at Arkansas, stepping aside from the starting job and opening holes for Felix Jones and Darren McFadden. A true team player that Houston Nutt-job mis-used for 3 years, then, many think, bad-mouthed him to NFL scouts becaase he didn't kiss Nutt's arse. He was recruited as a running back, not a fullback, he simply did what was asked of him. Kind of a novel idea in this day and age, don't you think? I'm betting it works.

AC1
08-13-2009, 11:34 AM
http://oak.scout.com/a.z?s=66&p=2&c=887802

Scout.com's Chris Steuber continues the top 10 prospects series and begins to breakdown the AFC West with the Denver Broncos leading off. In this series, an NFL prospect is classified as a player entering their third year in the NFL or is under 25 years old. Find out who Steuber targeted as the Broncos top 10 prospects inside.

1) Ryan Clady
2) Eddie Royal
3) Knowshon Moreno
4) Robert Ayers
5) Alphonso Smith
6) Ryan Harris
7) Tim Crowder
8) Peyton Hillis
9) Jack Williams
10) Wesley Woodyard

After the Miami Dolphins selected Jake Long with the first pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, there were six more tackles taken after him in the first round. One of those tackles was Ryan Clady, who was the second tackle selected in the draft and the 12th pick overall by the Denver Broncos. Coming from the WAC conference - a conference that’s considered one of the weakest in Division I football - Clady dominated the competition for three years and decided to forego his senior season to explore his game at the next level. Clady did much more than explore in his first year.

After a standout rookie season, Clady is on the verge of being the best OT in the NFL.

It’s hard to imagine that a rookie offensive tackle could dominate from the moment he stepped into the league, but the 6-foot-6, 309-pound athletic mauler did just that. The No. 1 prospect in the Broncos organization, Clady started all 16 games for the Broncos and allowed just a half of a sack the entire season, which ranked first among all left tackles in the league. For his efforts, Clady finished third behind Matt Ryan and Chris Johnson respectively in the Offensive Rookie of the Year voting and was named second team All-Pro. The honor that Clady didn’t receive, but his draft counterpart Long did, was a trip to Hawaii to star in the Pro Bowl. Players are usually voted into the Pro Bowl based on reputation, and as good as Clady was in his first year, he wasn’t the top pick in the draft, didn’t play for a playoff team and didn’t have the name recognition that others possess around the league, yet. Clady’s game is now being compared to some of the best tackles in the league, including future Hall of Famer Walter Jones. The sensational first season that Clady put together provides the Broncos with a sense of security on the left side of their line. And from this point on, Clady will be a perennial Pro Bowl selection.

Another 2008 draft pick, second round wide receiver Eddie Royal, also played at a Pro Bowl level during his first year. Known for his ability as a return specialist at Virginia Tech, Royal was a good slot receiver with the Hokies, but he struggled to show consistency catching the ball and running routes. Although, something clicked for the second rated prospect in the organization during his first year with the Broncos; maybe it was the fact that he was surrounded by better talent and had a quarterback that could get him the ball, but Royal showcased great ability as a receiver. In his first career game, which happened to be on Monday Night Football, Royal emerged on national television as a player to keep an eye on and caught nine passes for 146 yards and a touchdown. He started in 15 of 16 games [missing one game due to injury] and finished the season with 91 receptions for 980 yards and five touchdowns. Royal’s 91 catches were the most by a rookie since Anquan Boldin hauled in 101 during the 2003 season. At 5-foot-10, 180 pounds, Royal’s size and skill are best suited for the slot, because he’s most dangerous in space. But, expect him to be moved all around – inside, outside and even in the backfield for some trickery - to create mismatches. If Royal can stay healthy, he will once again approach 90 catches.

The Broncos have done a nice job of drafting the last two years, and this past April they secured three players that immediately will become top five prospects in the organization - running back Knowshon Moreno (No. 3), linebacker Robert Ayers (No. 4) and cornerback Alphonso Smith (No. 5). All three players have the talent and opportunity to enjoy the same success in their first year as Clady and Royal experienced.

Moreno has a lot of talent and it's possible he starts the year as the featured back in Denver.

At 5-foot-11, 217 pounds, Moreno is a mirror image of future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson. Everything that they do on the field is comparable, from their ability to their physique, even their versatility; it’s all eerily similar. And the irony is that Moreno ended up in the AFC West, the same division that Tomlinson tore up for the last decade. Moreno is a tremendously gifted offensive weapon who finished his career at Georgia with 1,400 yards and 16 touchdowns. He runs with outstanding pad level, displays great vision and tremendous cutback ability. He has a quick first step and is lethal on the edge. He’s deceptively strong between the tackles and will fight for extra yards. He’s faster than his timed speed suggests and has the potential to take it the distance from anywhere on the field. Moreno plays with a lot of emotions and is a high energy player who can occasionally be taken out of his game if he’s not productive. The upside of Moreno is limitless, his talent is obvious, and judging from the success that the ’08 running back class had in the NFL last year, don’t be surprised if he’s the starter on opening day.

With the Broncos switching to a 3-4 defense, Ayers will make the transition from defensive end to linebacker. At 6-foot-3, 272 pounds, Ayers could play DE for the Broncos, but his athleticism and ability to get in the backfield make him a great weapon off the edge. A bit of a late bloomer, Ayers was a backup at Tennessee for his first three years and finally broke into the starting lineup as a senior. In his first year as a starter, Ayers had an up and down year and finished with 49 tackles, 15.5 for a loss and just three sacks. The 15.5 tackles for a loss shows his ability to get in the backfield and terrorize, which is what they envision Ayers doing more of with his transition to outside linebacker. Ayers is more quick than fast and uses his hands very well. He has a powerful lower body and great leg drive. He attacks mostly on the outside and has the ability to bring his momentum inside. He has an explosive nature, but has to develop better technique to compensate for his lack of straight-line speed. He has to show better awareness and improve his run defense. It will be interesting to see how Ayers progresses as a player, because he’s one of a handful of players selected in the first round that’s the ultimate boom or bust prospect.

A first year player that the Broncos are extremely high on, which was shown during the draft when they traded their 2010 first round pick to Seattle to get him, is Smith. If Smith were a few inches taller he would have been a top 20 lock, but at 5-foot-9 and 193 pounds some wonder if he’s just a very talented nickel corner. Smith will start his career as the team’s nickel corner with Champ Bailey and Andre Goodman patrolling the outside, and will take some of the return responsibilities away from Royal so he can concentrate more on offense. Smith may be undersized, but he’s a physical, productive defender who registered 39 tackles and seven interceptions to close out his career at Wake Forest. He displays good route recognition and is a determined defender. He’s effective facing the action, locates the ball quickly and possesses excellent closing speed and ball skills that allow him to turn defense into offense. He is a very instinctive defender who has a great sense of timing. Smith plays physical at the line, and at the NFL level he will have to display that ability in the slot. It’s unfortunate that Smith’s career will always be tied to the first round pick that the Broncos gave up to acquire him, because if he struggles in his first year, fans will clamor for the unknown. A note to Broncos fans… don’t worry, the Broncos stole Smith in the second round and will be rewarded with an outstanding playmaker for years to come.

Rounding out the top 10 are third year offensive tackle Ryan Harris and defensive end Tim Crowder at No. 6 and 7 respectively as well as second year contributors fullback Peyton Hills (No. 8), cornerback Jack Williams (No. 9) and linebacker Wesley Woodyard (No. 10). Just missing the cut were former first round disappointment Jarvis Moss, free safety Josh Barrett and defensive end Ryan McBean.


Can's comments:

Interesting evaluation. Hopefully Crowder and Moss can raise their level of play under new coaches...I think they will. Possibly the 07 draft would come full circle if they do (along with decent play from Thomas).

And of the top 10, there is an even split on O and D. Throw in the just misses, and it's 8 to 5 for the D, which would make some sense based on last year's play. Although we should not confuse this list with what we needed going into 09, as many of the players are in their 2nd or 3rd year.

Bottom line to me is that we have a lot of really good young players on this squad.........and of high character.

Thanks for the good read. I agree with most that Hillis is under-rated, but I believe the bigger surprise is Harris. I would certainly put Harris over Ayers and Smith, and possibly even Moreno and Royal.

This list also goes to show that, contrary to what many people believe, Josh McDaniels did not invent high-character drafting.

Cutler2007
08-14-2009, 04:01 AM
Decent list. I think if the 2008 draft was redone, Clady goes top 2 and Royal top 20. Both those guys should be staples in our offense for many many years, playing at a probowl level (voted in or not). I also agree that Harris is very undervalued as is Hillis.

I would like to give Spenser Larson honorable mention. Guys is 2nd string at two positions right now and a ST ACE. I would not be surprised at all to see him emerge as our ILB this year next to DJ, but even if he doesn't he adds tremendous value allowing roster flexibility.

Also:

Chris Baker
Kenny McKinley
Lee Robinson
David Bruton

Are 4 guys I think will way outperform their draft status.

theMileHighGuy
08-14-2009, 05:58 AM
Carlton Powell > Tim Crowder & Jack MF Williams. I'm biased tho.

Cutler2007
08-14-2009, 07:26 AM
Carlton Powell > Tim Crowder & Jack MF Williams. I'm biased tho.

Powell is another one, but may take until 2010 to really have an impact. Hopefully he can get a lot of reps this year as he could be the run stuffer we need on the line.

AC1
08-14-2009, 07:51 AM
Decent list. I think if the 2008 draft was redone, Clady goes top 2 and Royal top 20. Both those guys should be staples in our offense for many many years, playing at a probowl level (voted in or not). I also agree that Harris is very undervalued as is Hillis.

I would like to give Spenser Larson honorable mention. Guys is 2nd string at two positions right now and a ST ACE. I would not be surprised at all to see him emerge as our ILB this year next to DJ, but even if he doesn't he adds tremendous value allowing roster flexibility.

Also:

Chris Baker
Kenny McKinley
Lee Robinson
David Bruton

Are 4 guys I think will way outperform their draft status.

Agree completely with everything. I'm expecting Larsen to beat out Andra Davis by midseason, if not earlier.

GreasyQtip
08-14-2009, 07:59 AM
Seems to me that Peyton Hillis is one of the most underrated players in the NFL at the moment. Seems like almost everyone outside of Denver is pretty much clueless to just how good a player this guy is. For example on this list he is rated below Crowder. Yet is probably one of the 3 or 4 best fullback prospects to enter the league in 8 to 10 years...

I tend to agree as well, but I imagine every fan has a player on their team they feel the exact same way about. Just because we focus so much on our own TC, I litterally have no clue if every team has a Hillis, but I imagine fans believe in their guy.

KWHIT97
08-14-2009, 08:10 AM
Nice read, I enjoyed this.

I agree that Hillis should be a little higher and Powell should also make the list. I really think that Chris Baker and David Bruton should be in the top 10 though. I think Baker is our future at NT and Bruton is maybe our near future at S.

My top 10 would be like this;
1. Clady
2. Moreno
3. Royal
4. Ayers
5. Smith
6. Harris
7. Hillis
8. Bruton
9. Baker
10. Brandstater

captainbronco
08-17-2009, 10:59 PM
does anybody even like this guy????

Hes slow and cant even break one tackle. i dunno why we even signed him other than he knows McD's system....if hes not part of the cut come the 53 man roster then i dunno what to say.....


:go:

JakeNbake
08-17-2009, 11:01 PM
does anybody even like this guy????

Hes slow and cant even break one tackle. i dunno why we even signed him other than he knows McD's system....if hes not part of the cut come the 53 man roster then i dunno what to say.....


:go:

Yeah I never really understood this signing but, it is what it is. I guess. If he isn't cut. I'll be shocked.

IrishConrad
08-17-2009, 11:05 PM
his career stats+

rushes:872
yrds:3,648
avg:4.2

not to bad at all. I think he should be on the roster without a doubt.


I also think he should be the third RB on the Depth chart behind Hillis and Moreno.

Soothsayer
08-17-2009, 11:29 PM
Doesn't belong on the NFL based on play... not stats. HB is one of the easiest positions to judge. It's pretty easy to tell whether a player has it or not. Not. Maybe he had it once. But having it at one point in time is only useful in terms of coaching.

tsiguy96
08-17-2009, 11:38 PM
i dont midn if hes on the team, but dont want him stealing carries from hillis or moreno...same with buckhalter really, though buckhalter does pretty good in a 2nd-3rd RB role

captainbronco
08-18-2009, 12:15 AM
yeah his stats arent bad but his play definitely doesnt show. i dont mind Moreno/Buckhalter/Hillis/Walker

AtwaterHITS27
08-18-2009, 12:32 AM
I will continue to say this. You can never have too many running backs on the Denver Broncos. :)

IrishConrad
08-18-2009, 12:33 AM
Hillis is the best RB on the Roster.

anton...
08-18-2009, 03:19 AM
I will continue to say this. You can never have too many running backs on the Denver Broncos. :)

enough said... :td:

LastGoodScene
08-18-2009, 05:14 AM
Hillis is the best RB on the Roster.


Moreno is the best running back the Broncos have right now, pretty sure that's why we drafted him, so he could be our best running back.

mx_stiles13
08-20-2009, 07:58 AM
I think this question is simple enough:

If Peyton Hillis has clearly been the most impressive RB not just in the last preseason game but ALL of Training Camp, why does he remain behind Buckhalter and Jordan? :confused:

Cutler2007
08-20-2009, 08:00 AM
I think this question is simple enough:

If Peyton Hillis has clearly been the most impressive RB not just in the last preseason game but ALL of Training Camp, why does he remain behind Buckhalter and Jordan? :confused:

IMO he is just a victim of he own versatility. He can do so many things, he may never be listed as #1 guy, but will still get plenty of touches during the game....ground and air.

Broncoslifer78
08-20-2009, 08:05 AM
I think this question is simple enough:

If Peyton Hillis has clearly been the most impressive RB not just in the last preseason game but ALL of Training Camp, why does he remain behind Buckhalter and Jordan? :confused:

Thats exactly the way I feel I have no clue why this dude stays behind this guys. I have tried to stick behind MCD but this is putting a strain on it. Hillis is 50 times the back that Jordan is atm, Jordan should not even make this freaking team. He constantly fumbles during camp and his is freaking slow as ****.

CoryWinget81
08-20-2009, 08:14 AM
Not that I know this for a fact...but maybe...just maybe...Hillis is behind all those guys on the depth chart because McD wants to keep him healthy for the regular season..

I'd love to see Hillis at starting RB by week 1.

NILAFIED08
08-20-2009, 08:16 AM
Listen he has earned the right last year before his injury that he is the man! Now all I hear is that durning practice and preseason games he is on fire so that tells me he is the our best rb we have so he deserves to be our starter!!

CoryWinget81
08-20-2009, 08:19 AM
Raiders cut Lo Neal!

Lets guy Jordan, give Neal his roster spot, and start Hillis at RB!!!1


Puuuuuhleeeeeeeeeeease Coach Josh? Pweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease???

sgriffeth78
08-20-2009, 08:24 AM
The depth chart isn't anything set in stone. JMD has stated this. It is only there for the league officials who requires one. JMD said this in an interview that was posted on this very website when asked why a player was slated on it at the spot they were. I would take it with a grain of salt until the regular season opens.

IMO, I see Hillis jumping ahead of both Buckhalter and Jordan. The only way he doesn't is if JMD slots him as a fullback. No need to fear though, Hillis will get plenty of action during the games.

RodSmithRules
08-20-2009, 08:25 AM
I don't think if he isn't listed as the starter that he's getting cheated.

McD knows that this kid is a stud. He's seen it. He will use it. Peyton will get plenty of work on the field.

But like someone else said, he is versatile. He can be used in so many ways that limiting him to TB will not utilize his strengths.

Besides, the current depth chart means absolutely nothing. When week 1 rolls around, we will see plenty of Pain Train. (It's a good nickname.)

:salute!:

Twizlers
08-20-2009, 08:37 AM
Where the eff is the Hillis smiley we really need one. CP to whoever makes one.

GreasyQtip
08-20-2009, 08:47 AM
The depth chart isn't anything set in stone. JMD has stated this. It is only there for the league officials who requires one. JMD said this in an interview that was posted on this very website when asked why a player was slated on it at the spot they were. I would take it with a grain of salt until the regular season opens.

IMO, I see Hillis jumping ahead of both Buckhalter and Jordan. The only way he doesn't is if JMD slots him as a fullback. No need to fear though, Hillis will get plenty of action during the games.

I couldn't agree more, this needs to be copy and pasted to every single depth chart question. Mcdaniels is so far ahead of where you or i, or the league is thinking. He doesn't care who he frustrates or who he annoys but everything he does has a meaning and a strategy. I bet he just tossed names all over the place cause it doesn't matter who the public thinks is going to start or be 2nd... because hes can and is going to play whoever he wants. He could care less about the depth chart then he does about checking broncos country opinions.

IbarHarry
08-20-2009, 09:09 AM
His tatics could make the opposition scratch there heads a bit. Ah, who are they suppose to plan for in the game? Usually, it is the 1st string players, but if the 2nd string is their best it makes for an interesting planning discussion.

I would hope that Hillis is simply like most and all that really matters is that he makes the team. That is the way most team players think. It doesn't matter whether they are 1, 2 or 3. When you worry about number 1, you are probably thinking about number 1.

Is it possible that this is the message Josh is trying to give BM? Just think about that for a few moments.

-Rod-
08-20-2009, 09:14 AM
At least we know McDaniels likes Hillis. He saw a good amount of action in the 1st game. He was there on the field with the starters when Orton threw his 1st pick. Remember last season? Shanahan liked Hillis but kept him out of action for too many games. It took too long before Hillis was catching passes and getting carries.

4th Amigo
08-20-2009, 09:25 AM
I guess people just want something to talk about, but this is a non-issue. Hillis is obviously the better back, and the current depth chart means nothing, so chill, the better back will be behind the QB come opening day no doubt.

If I were to speculate, i'd say that McD is probably trying to see which of the two to cut, and my guess would be Jordan......remember preseason is mostly about evaluation of the players, and one of the ways you can do that is to see them in action. Hillis has already proven himself, why waste valuable evaluation time on him?

Broncbeat
08-20-2009, 09:27 AM
IMO he is just a victim of he own versatility. He can do so many things, he may never be listed as #1 guy, but will still get plenty of touches during the game....ground and air.


I don't think if he isn't listed as the starter that he's getting cheated.

McD knows that this kid is a stud. He's seen it. He will use it. Peyton will get plenty of work on the field.

But like someone else said, he is versatile. He can be used in so many ways that limiting him to TB will not utilize his strengths.

Besides, the current depth chart means absolutely nothing. When week 1 rolls around, we will see plenty of Pain Train. (It's a good nickname.)

:salute!:

I agree 100% that it is his versatility. He will get plenty of playing time and if I'm a pro football player, thats more important than your depth #. He will have more opportunities to make a difference, yardage and get TD's! :td::logo::go:

Love "The Pain Train" RodSmithRules. Good nickname!

RodSmithRules
08-20-2009, 09:30 AM
Love "The Pain Train" RodSmithRules. Good nickname!

Wish I could take credit for it. :D

:salute!: to the guy who came up with it!

CanadianBroncoFan
08-20-2009, 09:34 AM
its preseason, and i think that the coaching staff is trying to evalute the rest of the RB core to see where exactly they stand with skill sets and the offense.

With the action Hillis was getting near the end, and his work from last year, I have no doubt that McD knows what kind of back he is, and will use him in games that count. This is still a team sorting mission, and getting a sense of what needs work in practice

Turf Nazi
08-20-2009, 09:37 AM
I think people are playing up the depth charts way too much. Especially at RB, the Broncos will use all of them to showcase their strengths and eliminate their weaknesses. Moreno will see the ball a lot too.

The Big D
08-20-2009, 09:49 AM
I don't think it makes sense to make heavy use of Hillis as a HB in 1st and 2nd down long yardage situations. I think Moreno has more potential to break a big, game-changing run. Plus we'll want Hillis at FB some of the time.

In short yardage and red zone situations I think he'll see a lot of use.

theshiverman
08-20-2009, 10:00 AM
He is the Starting FB, he is a complete weapon at the FB spot, if they made him the starting Half Back then we would have Larsen as the FB and thats a huge down grade at that spot, the FB does so much in this new system , Hillis can Run, Block and Catch, Hillis can line up and be a threat out of the spread offense, Larsen cant even come close to playing at Hillis level on offense. So in order to have as many weapons on the field at the same time you start Knowson or Buck at the tail back and Hillis at the FB. Hillis will see plenty of plays this season so i dont see what the big deal is, Hillis is a starter on this team.

BroncoFan1088
08-20-2009, 10:20 AM
He is the Starting FB, he is a complete weapon at the FB spot, if they made him the starting Half Back then we would have Larsen as the FB and thats a huge down grade at that spot, the FB does so much in this new system , Hillis can Run, Block and Catch, Hillis can line up and be a threat out of the spread offense, Larsen cant even come close to playing at Hillis level on offense. So in order to have as many weapons on the field at the same time you start Knowson or Buck at the tail back and Hillis at the FB. Hillis will see plenty of plays this season so i dont see what the big deal is, Hillis is a starter on this team.

Hillis is only the starting FB when we use a Power I formation, which McDaniels has stated and showed so far this preseason that will not be too common. The Broncos will be using many more singleback sets, in which case Hillis should be the starter and he should split carriers with Moreno and Buck.

For the very few times we actually use the power I, then yes, Hillis will more than likely be at FB to give us two great options in the backfield.

getlynched47
08-20-2009, 10:29 AM
I think this question is simple enough:

If Peyton Hillis has clearly been the most impressive RB not just in the last preseason game but ALL of Training Camp, why does he remain behind Buckhalter and Jordan? :confused:

Because Josh McDaniels is our head coach.

RodSmithRules
08-20-2009, 10:33 AM
Because Josh McDaniels is our head coach.

Excellent argument. Now blame Shanahan for Hillis getting injured last year.

Go on....

getlynched47
08-20-2009, 10:34 AM
Excellent argument. Now blame Shanahan for Hillis getting injured last year.

Go on....

It's true right? Obviously Peyton Hillis is the most impressive back in training camp. The only reason he's behind Lamont Jordan and Correll Buckhalter is because Josh McDaniels orders the depth chart right?

I don't see your point. My point at least makes sense.


Because Josh McDaniels is our head coach.

RodSmithRules
08-20-2009, 10:44 AM
It's true right? Obviously Peyton Hillis is the most impressive back in training camp. The only reason he's behind Lamont Jordan and Correll Buckhalter is because Josh McDaniels orders the depth chart right?

I don't see your point. My point at least makes sense.

Why does it matter where he is on the depth chart in preseason? The lower he is, the more work he'll get in the games.

getlynched47
08-20-2009, 10:46 AM
Why does it matter where he is on the depth chart in preseason? The lower he is, the more work he'll get in the games.

Well now you're just changing the topic.

The first post asked why Peyton Hillis was getting shafted and playing behind guys like Lamont Jordan and Correll Buckhalter. I told him it was because of Josh McDaniels. You preceded to make fun of me like if I was wrong or something. I wasn't.

FYI, the more work he gets during preseason games, the less fresh he'll be come the regular season.

AVnCA
08-20-2009, 10:50 AM
Although it is very well know that the depth chart is not set in stone, I just fear that he is listed and getting playing time as the #4 guy because he is behind the three JMD wanted to bring here to be RB's.

Hopefully JMD sees what most of us see and the rest of the nation sees and gives Hillis his rightful spot in the depth chart once the season starts.

captainbronco
08-20-2009, 10:50 AM
as far we all know hes behind Buck and Lamont on the "PRESEASON" depth chart i doubt hell get #1 unfortunately but i do wish McD would just get over his man crush on Jordan.

Hillis is 10x the RB lamant is........

:go:

owninit
08-20-2009, 10:55 AM
Face value, maybe

It's preseason, how many people would be crying crocadile tears right now if McD was riding him like a mule, and he was playing every single down, after having a season ending injury last year.......


He'll see more than enough of the field and the ball come regular season........

IrishConrad
08-20-2009, 10:56 AM
as far we all know hes behind Buck and Lamont on the "PRESEASON" depth chart i doubt hell get #1 unfortunately but i do wish McD would just get over his man crush on Jordan.

Hillis is 10x the RB lamant is........

:go:

Hillis was also wide open on the first Orton pick in the Endzone. The guy is by far the best pass catcher, blocker, and can flat out move.

Hillis #1 TE, FB, HB, WR, and nose tackle. :beer:

RodSmithRules
08-20-2009, 10:57 AM
Well now you're just changing the topic.

The first post asked why Peyton Hillis was getting shafted and playing behind guys like Lamont Jordan and Correll Buckhalter. I told him it was because of Josh McDaniels. You preceded to make fun of me like if I was wrong or something. I wasn't.

FYI, the more work he gets during preseason games, the less fresh he'll be come the regular season.

I didn't change the topic. I just said that his being behind Buckhalter and Jordan doesn't mean anything in preseason. You make it sound like it's McD's fault that Hillis is behind them.

He's playing mindgames with you. :eek:

getlynched47
08-20-2009, 11:00 AM
I didn't change the topic. I just said that his being behind Buckhalter and Jordan doesn't mean anything in preseason. You make it sound like it's McD's fault that Hillis is behind them.

He's playing mindgames with you. :eek:

damn McDaniels mindgames :laugh:

dman444
08-20-2009, 11:00 AM
Hillis was also wide open on the first Orton pick in the Endzone. The guy is by far the best pass catcher, blocker, and can flat out move.

Hillis #1 TE, FB, HB, WR, and nose tackle. :beer:

I know man, it's frustrating. I saw him wide open on the play and wanted to scream when he chucked it to Graham.

Hadez
08-20-2009, 11:02 AM
Can tell you from having a fantasy NE RB last year that it was probably the best team at giving all of its backs carries.

NE would give all the backs carries early in the game and stick with the one getting production.

Personally I feel come week 1 Hillis should get 40% of the carries and Moreno 40% with the rest getting 10% but I would not be suprised to see anything happen.

owninit
08-20-2009, 11:04 AM
I know man, it's frustrating. I saw him wide open on the play and wanted to scream when he chucked it to Graham.

he wasn't wide open......



Has it crossed any of our IQB's minds that Hillis's spot is golden on the team, and there is a good chance Bucky or Lamont is going to be religated to the basement behind Hillis and Moreno, and McD wants to have plenty of reps with the first team on film to get a solid basis for opinion?

1987Broncos
08-20-2009, 11:04 AM
I think Hillis will get the nod. Hes too good not to. I'm also a Razorback fan being from Arkansas and Hillis wasnt given the credit here he deserved. He was one of those players that made plays for McFadden and Jones but was rarely mentioned when ESPN mentioned the Hogs. Hillis is a team player and a tough kid so he'll work to earn his recognition. Its always sweeter that way in the end. :logo:

dman444
08-20-2009, 11:20 AM
he wasn't wide open......



Has it crossed any of our IQB's minds that Hillis's spot is golden on the team, and there is a good chance Bucky or Lamont is going to be religated to the basement behind Hillis and Moreno, and McD wants to have plenty of reps with the first team on film to get a solid basis for opinion?

Had Orton thrown the ball anywhere outside of Hillis' body it would have been a touchdown, he was open.

owninit
08-20-2009, 11:26 AM
Had Orton thrown the ball anywhere outside of Hillis' body it would have been a touchdown, he was open.

Watch the replay man, he was covered, and so was Jackson. The only differnce is it would have been picked and returned for a TD.

1987Broncos
08-20-2009, 11:28 AM
I have the game on dvr and I dont see anyone covering Hillis towards the sideline. I've run it back 2-3 times and to me, he looked open. I'll take another look when I get home though because I could be mistaken.

BroncosRockdaRockies
08-20-2009, 11:33 AM
I guess people just want something to talk about, but this is a non-issue. Hillis is obviously the better back, and the current depth chart means nothing, so chill, the better back will be behind the QB come opening day no doubt.

If I were to speculate, i'd say that McD is probably trying to see which of the two to cut, and my guess would be Jordan......remember preseason is mostly about evaluation of the players, and one of the ways you can do that is to see them in action. Hillis has already proven himself, why waste valuable evaluation time on him?



Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!!!!:salute:

owninit
08-20-2009, 11:34 AM
I have the game on dvr and I dont see anyone covering Hillis towards the sideline. I've run it back 2-3 times and to me, he looked open. I'll take another look when I get home though because I could be mistaken.


I do to, and watched that play a bunch there is a Youtube highlight of it as well i'll go and get you some 49ers numbers.

I had tried to look at it to see if Grahm was even the correct read. I think he was, i just think it was either miss communication, that defender was sheilded or that orton thought that defender was going to break to the front of the endzone(like he started to)

owninit
08-20-2009, 11:37 AM
It's #53 who basically gets rubbed by Jackson, but recovers well, hillis wouldn't have made it.

JakeNbake
08-20-2009, 11:49 AM
So then, Mighty posters of amazingness. Why oh why, do we have Hillis only running against the second string Defense. AND why oh why would we run him so many times if he was a our true number one? I think not. I don't think McD would risk running him so many time.

IrishConrad
08-20-2009, 12:03 PM
he wasn't wide open......



Has it crossed any of our IQB's minds that Hillis's spot is golden on the team, and there is a good chance Bucky or Lamont is going to be religated to the basement behind Hillis and Moreno, and McD wants to have plenty of reps with the first team on film to get a solid basis for opinion?

I know this is a stupid argument but Hillis has 2-3 steps on the LB that was covering him, the LB almost falls over getting around the wr that ran the short curl route. The safety is 3 yrds deep in the endzone.

jhildebrand
08-20-2009, 12:16 PM
I think this question is simple enough:

If Peyton Hillis has clearly been the most impressive RB not just in the last preseason game but ALL of Training Camp, why does he remain behind Buckhalter and Jordan? :confused:

The answer is as simple as the question. The answer is because Hillis is a Shanahan guy and McD would much rather have "his" guys. While he wont cut of his nose to spite his face, he will give "his guys" every chance!

Dean
08-20-2009, 12:24 PM
I haven't attended a practice but from the reports offered by those who were there Hillis doesn't get the time with the "ones" that those listed above him on the depth chart get.

A QB needs to practice with his receiver to get their timing down. Likewise the O-line and running back need to practice to get their timing down. The back needs to know the idosyncrasies of each lineman and the same goes for the line knowing the backs tendencies.

1987Broncos
08-20-2009, 05:00 PM
Just got home and watched the replay again. Hillis was open. The defender was a yard behind him and inside. It wouldve been a touchdown. It was quite simply a bad decision made by Orton.

exultu
08-21-2009, 11:40 AM
You know folks every where I look I see people asking why is our defense so bad. That includes the national media! In reality it actually did pretty well the first time out. People we have to remember we have a new coordinator with a new system. All things considered they did pretty good. The first preseason game is not meant to be a real game people. It is a team against another team scrimmage. That's the bottom line. If you think different well then you don't know much. Teams have gone thru the preseason not winning a single game. Let me think, ahh the 1985 Bears had the best Defense in the league, arguably maybe the best ever and they lost all 4 pre season games. I am just trying to tell all of you relax the club will be fine. They only gave up 17 points. With Orton throwing three picks, I think they did fine. Then you have to understand they didn't play the starters all game. Coaching staff put a lot of players in to look at what they can actually do in a game type condition. This surely wasn't a game planned defense. Anyways if we keep all the teams we play at 17 points we will have one heck of a year. I know this ain't the case. I also know it's not time throw in the towel. You'll see when the real show starts what a difference there be in tactics. PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE.:orton::smash:

Shsonline
08-21-2009, 11:53 AM
You know folks every where I look I see people asking why is our defense so bad. That includes the national media! In reality it actually did pretty well the first time out. People we have to remember we have a new coordinator with a new system. All things considered they did pretty good. The first preseason game is not meant to be a real game people. It is a team against another team scrimmage. That's the bottom line. If you think different well then you don't know much. Teams have gone thru the preseason not winning a single game. Let me think, ahh the 1985 Bears had the best Defense in the league, arguably maybe the best ever and they lost all 4 pre season games. I am just trying to tell all of you relax the club will be fine. They only gave up 17 points. With Orton throwing three picks, I think they did fine. Then you have to understand they didn't play the starters all game. Coaching staff put a lot of players in to look at what they can actually do in a game type condition. This surely wasn't a game planned defense. Anyways if we keep all the teams we play at 17 points we will have one heck of a year. I know this ain't the case. I also know it's not time throw in the towel. You'll see when the real show starts what a difference there be in tactics. PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE.:orton::smash:

If we give up 17 pts a game for the rest of the year we'll be a top 5 defensive team. But bottom line is to expect the team with a completely different coaching staff, completely different scheme, over 70 percent turnover to be as bad as the last two years based on the first preseason game is just silly.

edog24
08-21-2009, 11:58 AM
Where I am concerned is that our front D line is garbage, it has been for about 10 years now. It puts way more pressure on our LBs and secondary so we will be susceptible to big plays, and the more talented qbs are just going to go wild on us. I hope I am wrong, but this is what I am expecting.

DBroncs04
08-21-2009, 12:00 PM
Where I am concerned is that our front D line is garbage, it has been for about 10 years now. It puts way more pressure on our LBs and secondary so we will be susceptible to big plays, and the more talented qbs are just going to go wild on us. I hope I am wrong, but this is what I am expecting.

I'm not getting my hopes up yet, but our D-line look much improved, got pressure up the middle a few times.. Its preseason, but so far they have given me reason to believe we'll be much improved from last year.

buckingbronco33
08-21-2009, 12:09 PM
Smetimes we can get a pretty decent idea out of pre-season.

Does anyone remember how pathetic Denver looked in pre-season entering I believe the 07 season? Remember playing against SF and then Dallas and how they just tourched the defense?

I remember that.

I think the fact they did pretty well and the front 7 was not man handled and technically finishing 8th in the NFL in pre-season defense leaves some hope for good things down the road.

At least a little hope, rather than the massive gloom and doom everyone had after the draft. Light started to peer through the clouds. At least to me.

I was not saying this in the 07 pre-season.

kayleesdaddy
08-21-2009, 12:51 PM
Nolans vanilla defense is already more effective than Slowicks regular season schemes. We actually pressured the QB. I thought baker outplayed Fields and Larsen outplayed Davis and wouldn't be suprised to see both push for starting positions very soon.

Davis4H.O.F
08-21-2009, 01:46 PM
The defense did fine! Our first Team had 3 sacks and 5 tackles for loss and 6 hurries/knocksdowns on the QB, and 1 play over 15 yards the whole game! That same d last year and we win the Superbowl! Nolan's defense will be 16th or better this year! Worry about Orton's noodle-arm and his three INTs not the vastly improved defense!

exultu
08-21-2009, 04:13 PM
:smash:
The defense did fine! Our first Team had 3 sacks and 5 tackles for loss and 6 hurries/knocksdowns on the QB, and 1 play over 15 yards the whole game! That same d last year and we win the Superbowl! Nolan's defense will be 16th or better this year! Worry about Orton's noodle-arm and his three INTs not the vastly improved defense!

Well I am with you all the way till you got to Orton. Kyle is a very good QB and booing him is not going to make him better. Think about it would you when you where in school gone up in front of your class mates that booed you. I don't think so. People seem quick about judgement, and you guy's have not seen him in a real Game. I've heard all those people that believe what they heard from outside sources. Personally I think they should be booed. Actually they should be barred from any other free practices. Kyle has enough on his plate to not have to deal with NITWITS booing.:orton:

MH Stampede
08-21-2009, 04:57 PM
Let me think, ahh the 1985 Bears had the best Defense in the league, arguably maybe the best ever and they lost all 4 pre season games

Not true, they went 1-3. Losing games to the Cardinals (10-3), the Colts (24-13), and the Cowboys (15-13), then finished up the preseason with a preview of what was to come against the Bills, blowing them out 45-14.

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 12:26 PM
I was suprised I hadn't seen this yet! :beer: So here it is-the game day thread.

Many questions to be answered-and asked-tonight.

Will Orton rebound? LaMont Jordan look better? How will the defense look? What are the chances it WONT rain in Seattle tonight?

The game is on NFLN tonight, starting at 930pm CENTRAL...830pm MOUNTAIN, 730pm PACIFIC and 1030pm EASTERN time.

As always, please follow the CoC.

GO BRONCOS! :rockon:

Senses Fail
08-22-2009, 12:31 PM
2nd post! :td:

TRUEBRONCOFAN24
08-22-2009, 12:33 PM
GO BRONCOS :helmet::go::td::logo:

I really hope Orton rebounds tonight, and we get to see more of Hillis :rockon:

BroncoManiac_69
08-22-2009, 12:48 PM
I'm glad the game is tonight because I have chores to do today. :laugh:

Which I need to remove my back side from this chair and get on it. :incomplete:

~

I'm looking forward to the game to mainly see how the defense plays. Of course all eyes will be on Kyle and hope he has a good game. :orton:

I'm curious to see this backfield go up against Seattle. :td:

Hillis had 10 carries last week and should see about the same amount I would think. A stud like him doesn't need to be out there a lot tonight.

Good Luck Broncos! Let's Get The Win! :logo:

Iron Clady
08-22-2009, 01:15 PM
He's gonna make the team. He's a big back who can wear down defenses. He can carry the rock in short yardage situations. He is also a solid receiver. He is one of McDaniels' New England guys.

MorenoFan27
08-22-2009, 01:17 PM
his career stats+

rushes:872
yrds:3,648
avg:4.2

not to bad at all. I think he should be on the roster without a doubt.


I also think he should be the third RB on the Depth chart behind Hillis and Moreno.

I'll go with buckhalter before i go with lamont jordan

d-bronx42
08-22-2009, 01:17 PM
I am super bummed that i have to miss it for work...


But i hope Orton bounces back and shows some haters wrong. It would also be nice to see turnovers on the defensive side of the ball.

:go::go::go:

MorenoFan27
08-22-2009, 01:19 PM
Moreno is the best running back the Broncos have right now, pretty sure that's why we drafted him, so he could be our best running back.

see thats what they prolly thought but hillis i I THINK can become a brandon jacobs type running back and i think we should have gotten orakpo.....and with moreno here hillis will become a full back and wasting alot of his talent

SheerCold
08-22-2009, 01:42 PM
I'm excited for the game, but i'm a little disapointed Moreno won't be playing..

broncos1997
08-22-2009, 01:45 PM
depends on what you mean by like him. i remember when we was on the raiders he was definately my least hated player on that team and i hated having to play him since i thought he was a very good back. so far, his play with the broncos has been pretty bad, but hopefully hes just not in his best shape or something.

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 02:23 PM
Well, he certainly didnt show up last week. I think he is going to have to show what he has to make the final roster. He needs to show some explosiveness and ability to stay on his feet when it comes down to game time.

If he cant, there are other backs that can step up and do it.


I will continue to say this. You can never have too many running backs on the Denver Broncos. :)

:laugh:


Hillis is the best RB on the Roster.

Hillis is a bully back. I would love to see him and Moreno splitting snaps. Hillis runs with brutality and can put a whoopin' on the defense. If he isnt with the first team tonight, Im going to have a fit.

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 02:30 PM
WOohoo! Lets get to game time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, predicts:

Orton bounces back and has a decent game.

The offense will feature alot of running from Hillis and Buck.

The D will progress nicely and fix some of the holes from last game and continue to look MUCH improved.

Chris Simms will continue his inspired play.

Lamont....this may be his swan song.

One of the CBs will have an interception.

Eddie Royal breaks off a LONG TD reception.

And, the biggest prediction of them all...........................















Much coffee will be consumed!!!!!!!!!!!!

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 02:30 PM
I'm excited for the game, but i'm a little disapointed Moreno won't be playing..

Me too, but he doesnt need much work after watching him last week. He needs to rest and recoup. Keep him fresh for the reg season.

biglenny
08-22-2009, 02:33 PM
Yes yes yes!!! here is to a injury free game!!! and I hope Hillis gets to pound the rock down Seattle thought!!!:beer:

Barrelman4prez
08-22-2009, 02:46 PM
:helmet:going to the game!!! fingers crossed:go:
Gotta represent in full gear!!!

biglenny
08-22-2009, 02:51 PM
:helmet:going to the game!!! fingers crossed:go:
Gotta represent in full gear!!!

Sweet go get'um killa!!! have fun!!!:cheers:

Broncotis
08-22-2009, 02:51 PM
For us or for someone else, he will be a star in this league.
Hopefully for us.

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 02:57 PM
:helmet:going to the game!!! fingers crossed:go:
Gotta represent in full gear!!!

Ok, poll time. Will BM4P be the guy on the left, the guy on the right or the NEXT BARREL MAN?!?!?!?!

http://broncosfan.org/images/Scott_Rick_BarrelMan.jpg

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 03:23 PM
What does the Barrel Man wear under the...barrel? :huh:

BroncoManiac_69
08-22-2009, 03:42 PM
What does the Barrel Man wear under the...barrel? :huh:

I would be better off not knowing the answer to that. :laugh:

2 Minute Warning
08-22-2009, 03:50 PM
15th post!:td:

Strimpel
08-22-2009, 03:52 PM
What does the Barrel Man wear under the...barrel? :huh:

Don't think we want to know

Tremendous45th
08-22-2009, 04:08 PM
tell me if im wrong but mcdaniels uses the word evaluation alot....

even if when he evaluates it might not be the same way everyone else sees it....

he just weird to me thats all

fullcollapse
08-22-2009, 04:08 PM
I've already got "Hey Jude" set to blast from the stereo just in case anything bad happens.
If Orton throws a "bad decision" pick, I'm closing my eyes, covering my ears,
and yelling, "NANANAnaaaanaaanaanaaa NANANAnaaanaaa Hey Jude."

You should try it. It'll cool you down in no time.

biglenny
08-22-2009, 04:09 PM
What does the Barrel Man wear under the...barrel? :huh:

Hey BFI!!! how you doin Girl? Im thinking he wears another barrel!!! lmao:peace:

IHSD
08-22-2009, 04:11 PM
I've already got "Hey Jude" set to blast from the stereo just in case anything bad happens.
If Orton throws a "bad decision" pick, I'm closing my eyes, covering my ears,
and yelling, "NANANAnaaaanaaanaanaaa NANANAnaaanaaa Hey Jude."

You should try it. It'll cool you down in no time.

Haha, sounds like a game plan.

Very good sig by the way. :salute!:

CA_BroncoFan
08-22-2009, 04:15 PM
In no way shape or form do I believe Peyton is getting cheated. He barely played last year and while he did a fantastic job he needs reps. he needs to get the experiance that the other backs have and the only way to do that is to have him in these preseason games longer than everyone else and to be behind these other guys learning. He will, before long be the #3 maybe #2 guy but it's going to take time.

With the way MCD cleaned house it is already saying a lot that he is in the lineup getting reps.

dizzolve
08-22-2009, 04:22 PM
In no way shape or form do I believe Peyton is getting cheated. He barely played last year and while he did a fantastic job he needs reps. he needs to get the experiance that the other backs have and the only way to do that is to have him in these preseason games longer than everyone else and to be behind these other guys learning. He will, before long be the #3 maybe #2 guy but it's going to take time.

With the way MCD cleaned house it is already saying a lot that he is in the lineup getting reps.


I think he's already shown he's ready

CA_BroncoFan
08-22-2009, 04:32 PM
I think he's already shown he's ready

Very close IMO, very close sir!!

Broncofan1990
08-22-2009, 04:43 PM
Hillis is getting cheated, his a freaking beast. I have no idea why we drafted a running back when Hillis proved he can be a starter, he should also be the starter right now.

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 04:48 PM
Hey BFI!!! how you doin Girl? Im thinking he wears another barrel!!! lmao:peace:

hey lenny! :beer: good to see you.

I could get you a beer, if you like. I should be able to toss it to you better via the "Orton" throw, instead of the "Cutler" throw :orton: (at least you'd be able to catch the thing!) ;)

sendacash
08-22-2009, 04:50 PM
I think he will be cheated if we run 4 wide sets w/ Orton as the QB. NE clam style.

biglenny
08-22-2009, 04:53 PM
hey lenny! :beer: good to see you.

I could get you a beer, if you like. I should be able to toss it to you better via the "Orton" throw, instead of the "Cutler" throw :orton: (at least you'd be able to catch the thing!) ;)

Just dont bean me in the head like last year!! I still have horrible mood swings from that!!!:D

FlyByU
08-22-2009, 04:57 PM
Hillis is getting cheated, his a freaking beast. I have no idea why we drafted a running back when Hillis proved he can be a starter, he should also be the starter right now.

Agree 110% and I also agree with another poster that says Hillis is not part of McD's crew so he is going to get the scraps from the tables and make more plays with those scraps then the 1st and 2nd string HB's he has now.

Was I seeing things or was Hillis on D in the last game vs. 49ers?

Need a Hillis Smiley people :salute!:

Snarfalicious
08-22-2009, 05:01 PM
Can't wait for tonight. Hopefully we all don't experience that sinking feeling in our stomachs after Orton's performance. But, I must say the part I'm most looking forward to is hopefully seeing Brandstater play extensively tonight. I've heard some good, and some bad about this guy, so to be able to see for myself is pretty exciting. As always, all of our eyes will be on that defensive unit, so hopefully they look sharp as well. Here's to a good, clean, injury-free (for both teams) game.

tat2matt
08-22-2009, 05:01 PM
Jordan looked sluggish against the 49ers (I had a great time comparing him to an old Buick in my review of that game that no one read), but I don't think it could hurt to have a veteran with solid hands and the ability to pound the ball in short yardage situations on the team.

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 05:02 PM
Just dont bean me in the head like last year!! I still have horrible mood swings from that!!!:D

Well, see...my aim isnt so good. So if I throw it "orton" style to ya, we should be able to avoid the brain damage this year. :D

biglenny
08-22-2009, 05:04 PM
Well, see...my aim isnt so good. So if I throw it "orton" style to ya, we should be able to avoid the brain damage this year. :D

If you throw it orton style youll end up hitting someone esl!!!! EVERYBODY DUCK!!!! ROFLMAO!!! :beer:

FlyByU
08-22-2009, 05:07 PM
Hillis is the best RB on the Roster.

Agree and Jordan is the coaches buddy thatís why he made it past training camp...

Buckwheat is god awful also last game 4 rushs for 4 yards.

BroncoManiac_69
08-22-2009, 05:16 PM
If you throw it orton style youll end up hitting someone esl!!!! EVERYBODY DUCK!!!! ROFLMAO!!! :beer:

Stop It. :hammer:


:laugh:

sendacash
08-22-2009, 05:17 PM
Its only pre-season though and remember that McD comes from the master of deception roots. I would not necessarily believe this is his hand that he is showing us.

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 05:24 PM
I don't like him.

He's a slower, weaker, older, more injury-prone version of Peyton Hillis.

I'd much rather have Hillis carrying the ball over Jordan.

Cap'N Chronic
08-22-2009, 05:28 PM
IMO Hillis needs to be in a 2 RB system with Moreno.

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 05:30 PM
What does the Barrel Man wear under the...barrel? :huh:

:confused:

Bronco boxers?

http://product.images.fansedge.com/51-35/51-35613-1-P.jpg


Hey BFI!!! how you doin Girl? Im thinking he wears another barrel!!! lmao:peace:

An ever so slightly smaller barrel........BRILLIANT! :clap:

JakeNbake
08-22-2009, 05:31 PM
IMO Hillis needs to be in a 2 RB system with Moreno.

I agree with this. Hillis is a beast. But I don't think he's an everdown back. KInd of remind me of Barber/jones. I know it's not a perfect comparison. But that's my thought.

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 05:31 PM
tell me if im wrong but mcdaniels uses the word evaluation alot....

even if when he evaluates it might not be the same way everyone else sees it....

he just weird to me thats all

I guess he "evaluates" his guys (Jordan, Buckhalter) more than the Shanahan holdovers.

Peyton Hillis has showed how versatile he is. He's consistently showed that he can run the ball effectively, and he's tough.

He needs to have a fair shot at winning the #1 RB job just like everybody else. That's all I'm asking for: FAIRNESS

rst08tierney
08-22-2009, 05:33 PM
does anybody even like this guy????

Hes slow and cant even break one tackle. i dunno why we even signed him other than he knows McD's system....if hes not part of the cut come the 53 man roster then i dunno what to say.....


:go:

Lamont Jordan led the league in rushing through 10 weeks in 2006, he must suck! Throw him under the bus with Marshall while your at it too.

dizzolve
08-22-2009, 05:34 PM
Come regular season Hillis will get his share I think. Probably will get his share in pre too

sendacash
08-22-2009, 05:49 PM
I think he is just an insurance policy, he seems to run too big and slow to get hurt so let him fall forward in the pre-season.

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 05:52 PM
If you throw it orton style youll end up hitting someone esl!!!! EVERYBODY DUCK!!!! ROFLMAO!!! :beer:

HA!

I throw the ball "Cutler style" and miss, I give that person brain damage.

"Orton style" is safer :P

KO8pectate
08-22-2009, 05:54 PM
Jordan was signed to be a short yardage back .

Dean
08-22-2009, 05:59 PM
I agree with this. Hillis is a beast. But I don't think he's an everdown back. KInd of remind me of Barber/jones. I know it's not a perfect comparison. But that's my thought.

How is he not an everydown back?

He runs well. He blocks well enough that he has been a starting fullback. His hands are good enough that he has had a 100+ yard game receiving and this year they shift him out as a slot receiver. What else do you want from a three down back?

:jawdrop:

BroncoFan1088
08-22-2009, 06:04 PM
How is he not an everydown back?

He runs well. He blocks well enough that he has been a starting fullback. His hands are good enough that he has had a 100+ yard game receiving and this year they shift him out as a slot receiver. What else do you want from a three down back?

:jawdrop:

Hillis seems like he can definitely be an everydown back, but I think splitting carries is the smarter choice just because it helps keep both him and Moreno fresh.

Davis4H.O.F
08-22-2009, 06:05 PM
Peyton "the Hammer" Hillis is definately a victim of his own ability! The guy can play everything from FB to TE and even out wide, and McDumbnuts said as much and has lined him up at all those positions in OTA's and Training camp! not even the boy emporer isn't dumb enough to show how he will use the Hammer in preseason. Here's something for you to watch for in the reggular season...Moreno can block and you might see the old counter plays when Fullbacks like Jim Brown hammered thru defenses..just running over guys. Every team in the league will have to respect even an old-fashioned Fullback dive and then either give it to him or pull it back and toss to Moreno or play-action pass! Wwhatcha gonna do?:logo::logo:

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 06:06 PM
Gettin closer to game-time, common broncos! I'm pumped! :logo:

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 06:21 PM
Ut oh. Dukes is on, about to talk about the Broncos.

*sigh*

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 06:21 PM
Ut oh. Dukes is on, about to talk about the Broncos.

*sigh*

Oh geez. Dukey has such smart things to say.

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 06:22 PM
Ut oh. Dukes is on, about to talk about the Broncos.

*sigh*

:brick: :laugh:

BIG AL
08-22-2009, 06:25 PM
"Jordan was signed to be a short yardage back."


One who shouldnt play unless our other guys are hurt... If you are losing, its 4th down and you are on the other teams 1 yard line who are you gonna give it to? Im goin with Hillis or Moreno... Jordan? I think not... A short yardage back who shouldnt play unless are other guys are hurt if ya ask me...

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 06:29 PM
The commentators for this Redskins games....:brick:

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 06:34 PM
Id rather have watched that than have watched the Bills get spanked.

Denver Mike
08-22-2009, 06:40 PM
Reggie Rivers said that McD told our starters to expect to be in longer.. They were in for half the game. Does that mean that he is pulling out all of it throughout the whole game?

Damn.. I wanted to see more Simms and maybe some Brandstater and less :orton::orton::orton:

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 06:42 PM
McDaniels is rockin the hoodie!!!! Oh snap...

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 06:44 PM
McDaniels is rockin the hoodie!!!! Oh snap...

He is? :laugh:

I couldnt imagine having to wear a hoodie in Seattle! :D

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 06:44 PM
This is extremely risky...we're risking the health of our starters so they can get some extra playing time.....very very risky.

rog1289
08-22-2009, 06:45 PM
This is extremely risky...we're risking the health of our starters so they can get some extra playing time.....very very risky.

no it means this team is so far behind they need the extra playing time.

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 06:46 PM
no it means this team is so far behind they need the extra playing time.

What do you mean "no"?

It is risky...

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 06:51 PM
What do you mean "no"?

It is risky...

I'll agree its a risk. But its one that needs to be taken. Obviously, the coaches think the starters need more time. A lot of them-most of them-are learning an entirely new system.

They need all the time they can get. The practices have been physical, so the players should be up to playing more than a half.

KO8pectate
08-22-2009, 06:55 PM
With camp over you need live game film to prepare all 3 phases of the team and this is the only way to get it. I also think he wants to get a little extra film for certain formations to get ready for the home opener with the Bears next week.

rog1289
08-22-2009, 06:56 PM
What do you mean "no"?

It is risky...

I didn't mean it isn't risky it is, but im saying its an obvious sign mcdaniels isnt confident in this team and he knows they need more snaps.

FlyByU
08-22-2009, 06:59 PM
I am sick of hearing we need 2 starting backs lets go back to one good back like we had in TD we ran him to death and then some before he would come out of the game. After TD this 2-4 backs running in a game crap came in to play and is stupid. A good back will never stay in a system like that they want the ball and they will run until they are broken down... Lets go with 1 HB and run him until he is ready to retire or has gotten to old to cut it or injured... I say Hillis will be the one to choose even over Moreno I think Hillis is better then Moreno and will be for several years.

:go:

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 07:01 PM
McDaniels is rockin the hoodie!!!! Oh snap...

Please tell me the sleeves are cut off!

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:05 PM
Ugh, looks like the skins game will carry over on NFLN..........:sad:

#24 Next Champ
08-22-2009, 07:07 PM
Ugh, looks like the skins game will carry over on NFLN..........:sad:

that's what I'm thinkin' too :(....I gotta find one online now for the first few drives...

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 07:07 PM
Ugh, looks like the skins game will carry over on NFLN..........:sad:

Uh oh, time to fire up the radio. :(

BaileyFan#24
08-22-2009, 07:09 PM
:helmet:going to the game!!! fingers crossed:go:
Gotta represent in full gear!!!

Go wish us bronco fans out there a good game and get on the tv lol and scream for your life! Have fun :)

rkymtn5280
08-22-2009, 07:12 PM
I will not be watching the game tonight, because Time Warner doesn't carry NFLN. Also, am I the only one that noticed that FOX News still shows Cutler as a Bronco? Get it straight will you? Later;

DenverSpark
08-22-2009, 07:13 PM
I didn't mean it isn't risky it is, but im saying its an obvious sign mcdaniels isnt confident in this team and he knows they need more snaps.

That's just stupid.

Of course he's confident in this team. After last week, he thinks they need more work. Everything is new with this team. So more snaps in real game situations is a good thing. Better to have them prepared by week 1.

RealBronco
08-22-2009, 07:14 PM
that means the stream i'm watching won't have Denver on it :(

jojo187
08-22-2009, 07:18 PM
Hopefully the starters prove what they need to and get off the field early. It seems to me that the coach wants the different units to show what they can do not necessarily play a certain amount of time.

tat2matt
08-22-2009, 07:19 PM
We've already lost this game because Orakpo dominated the Steelers.

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 07:19 PM
Please tell me the sleeves are cut off!

I think he just had the sleeves of the hoodie rolled up :(

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 07:19 PM
Ugh, looks like the skins game will carry over on NFLN..........:sad:

maybe they'll cut in?

rog1289
08-22-2009, 07:21 PM
That's just stupid.

Of course he's confident in this team. After last week, he thinks they need more work. Everything is new with this team. So more snaps in real game situations is a good thing. Better to have them prepared by week 1.

lol look man you guys can twist things all nice and pretty to make them appear nice and make things justifiable, but reality is if they play more it's because this team is behind and needs it! and obvious if they play more mcdaniels is not confident enough in where they are at. Now go ahead twist things to make them look nicer.

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:21 PM
maybe they'll cut in?

Highly doubt it.

MGBRONCO
08-22-2009, 07:22 PM
HA!

I throw the ball "Cutler style" and miss, I give that person brain damage.

"Orton style" is safer :P

There is no getting away from this comparison, EVERY GAME DAY.

Cutler

8 of 13, 121 yards for a TD, No picks, and No sacks.

Lets see how Orton does.

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:23 PM
maybe they'll cut in?

I would really hope so; who cares about the 2nd/3rd team 4th quarter? They should definitely show the opening drives

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 07:24 PM
lol look man you guys can twist things all nice and pretty to make them appear nice and make things justifiable, but reality is if they play more it's because this team is behind and needs it! and obvious if they play more mcdaniels is not confident enough in where they are at. Now go ahead twist things to make them look nicer.

You are right they need more time. However, I would not call it a "lack of confidence" in his team.

It's recognizing that a team needs more time to grasp a new offensive system. Pre-season is the time to do that.

So while I agree they do need more time- its not due to a lack of confidence of the coach to the players.

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 07:26 PM
There is no getting away from this comparison, EVERY GAME DAY.

Cutler

8 of 13, 121 yards for a TD, No picks, and No sacks.

Lets see how Orton does.

Next week it will be even worse. Microscopic.

Now lets hope they start the game on time on NFLN :hammer:

BroncsSB#3
08-22-2009, 07:26 PM
I'm anxious to see what Orton does this week. He needs to be able to come back from games like the one he had last week. If he can't, then he'll never make it in the NFL.

BloodRunsO&B
08-22-2009, 07:27 PM
Just popped open a fat tire :beer:

Anyone have that link for the online game? I too am waiting for NFLN to catch up here in L.A.

KO8pectate
08-22-2009, 07:28 PM
lol look man you guys can twist things all nice and pretty to make them appear nice and make things justifiable, but reality is if they play more it's because this team is behind and needs it! and obvious if they play more mcdaniels is not confident enough in where they are at. Now go ahead twist things to make them look nicer.

No thats your reality . You really dont have a clue just throwing shick to a wall hoping it sticks .

Right now even if you know the playbook your starters have maybe 20 plays of film on them in various formations against various formations in which you can study ,analyze and and make adjustments. With as many formations as the Broncos will use you want to get as many as you can on film in preparation for the Bengals.

It has nothing to do with how good or bad they look its about gathering film for the week for the various units to go over. Mcdaniels said several times that he wants to go over with the team what they will do on each day during the week now that camp is over. So what do you think they will do on film days if the starters only have 10 plays of film to analyze ?

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:33 PM
lame we gotta wait till this bore fest ends

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 07:35 PM
BREAKING NEWS!!!

http://twitter.com/denverbroncos


McDaniels is debuting his grey hoodie tonight. Sleeves cut off, just like Belichick wears it.

:laugh:

Automatic win now...

BroncsSB#3
08-22-2009, 07:35 PM
The Broncos will kick off so we'll see how the D looks first.

Here we go.

Ocrush4ever
08-22-2009, 07:36 PM
A hoodie, McD? Dare you?

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 07:37 PM
BREAKING NEWS!!!

http://twitter.com/denverbroncos



:laugh:

Automatic win now...

THANK YOU for not starting a thread on this: much appreciated!:salute:

Elway
08-22-2009, 07:39 PM
Let's hope for a non 3 INT GAME.

rmac15
08-22-2009, 07:39 PM
great 3rd down D once again...

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:39 PM
come on D!!!!!!!!!!!!

Xtreme Bronco
08-22-2009, 07:40 PM
hasselback picking the secondary apart...

BroncsSB#3
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
DAMN! We can't be having that.

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
WOW :sad::sad:

Starbroncs
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
oh man that was ugly lol

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
THANK YOU for not starting a thread on this: much appreciated!:salute:

That was a pretty lame insult.

:coffee:

Not funny.

darrentwill27
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
come onnnnn dre goodman....td seattle.

rmac15
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
Strait Trash

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
damnit i hate gamecast hurry up nfln

Elway
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
So much for the defense there.

#24 Next Champ
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
Goodman got BURNED!!!!...but I like the ballskills, that was the right approach he just let the guy get too much position at first

Speed19
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
Wow. Andre Goodman....

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
Great play defense :clap: :clap:

BloodRunsO&B
08-22-2009, 07:42 PM
found what I was looking for in another thread..no sound but..

http://www.justin.tv/sky_high

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:42 PM
alphonso smith anyone? :D

MGBRONCO
08-22-2009, 07:42 PM
come on D!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was our much improved first team D...

and before you talk about Dawkins...no julius Jones etc for the Hawks.

Xtreme Bronco
08-22-2009, 07:42 PM
Wonderful start, back to back weeks giving up points on the opening drives ......this might be a problem

Elway
08-22-2009, 07:42 PM
For good or bad... the offense takes the field.

fraguela09
08-22-2009, 07:43 PM
Ball skills? He just throw a rainbow, airmal.... here you go pass. Notice it was some chump named Hunter who burnded Goodman. Not Randy Moss! That was ugly. Long year with this defense folks.

Soothsayer
08-22-2009, 07:44 PM
Did Seattle think they were running a two minute drill? Slow down! You move too fast. Got to make the touchdowns last.


Regardless, I think that was a wake up call. People seemed rather impressed by the defense last week. Personally, I didn't think they did that good.

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 07:44 PM
That was a pretty lame insult.

:coffee:

Not funny.

No insult intended. I see some silly threads around here. I was actually thanking you for not wasting the bandwidth for "hoodie news".

I do apologize. Humor sometimes doesnt come across well typed.

Ocrush4ever
08-22-2009, 07:44 PM
hasselbeck caught the safety cheating up watching short.

BroncsSB#3
08-22-2009, 07:44 PM
That was a nice play

Ocrush4ever
08-22-2009, 07:44 PM
nice laser there.

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:45 PM
Gaff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:45 PM
lol Orton run!

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:45 PM
Move those legs orton!

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
No insult intended. I see some silly threads around here. I was actually thanking you for not wasting the bandwidth for "hoodie news".

I do apologize. Humor sometimes doesnt come across well typed.

;)

Gotcha...

:salute!:

:laugh:

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
EDDIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:salute!:

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
Wow eddie royal seriously looks faster this year

Ocrush4ever
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
Eddie gots the wheels man.

AtwaterHITS27
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
Eddie Royal baby!

rmac15
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
Wow is Eddie Royal good!!!

BroncsSB#3
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
That's how we need to do it. Dump it off to Royal and let him do the work.

Broncosojia
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
Royal!!!!!!!!

#24 Next Champ
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
o WOW...our defense is just gonna suck because of ONE PRESEASON PLAY ...stupiiiid


and NICE royal

DancingHorsey
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
So are you guys going to freak out every time things don't go our way? Is this what you plan on doing all season? Are you just going to sit there waiting for things to go wrong so you can ***** and complain about it?

Sweet lord. :coffee:

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Holy crap; he put some zip on that one

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
That was a HORRIBLE block attempt by Clady. He could've ran over the guy, but he tried to cut block a cornerback. At least Eddie Royal made it a big play.

fraguela09
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
So Royalty!

Elway
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
some ball movement at least.

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Stokley actually had a great block on that play.

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Nice Buck...

Ocrush4ever
08-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Sick stiff-arm.

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Stokley!!!!!!!

BroncsSB#3
08-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Dink and dunk it on down the field

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:48 PM
/no picks!

Xtreme Bronco
08-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Just like last week, Orton is moving the ball with nice efficient plays, now let's finish this drive the right way

fraguela09
08-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Move the chains Orton.... Move them!

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 07:49 PM
Give the ball to Hillis!!!

ERoyal248
08-22-2009, 07:49 PM
o WOW...our defense is just gonna suck because of ONE PRESEASON PLAY ...stupiiiid


and NICE royal

Agree. He made a bad play, oh well, it happens. Calm down over a preseason game. KO is looking much better, missed the gaffney play.

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:49 PM
wow gotta say...buckhalter is kinda beasting it up so far

fraguela09
08-22-2009, 07:49 PM
Rush it right up the BUCK!

BroncFanIN
08-22-2009, 07:49 PM
So are you guys going to freak out every time things don't go our way? Is this what you plan on doing all season? Are you just going to sit there waiting for things to go wrong so you can ***** and complain about it?

Sweet lord. :coffee:

Welcome to Broncomania, where the drama and hyper-anaylsing never stop. :salute:

Every play is indicitive of the season-whole, and chances to redeem are small.

Yep...thats us! :laugh:

Buckhalter is having a good night! :D

AtwaterHITS27
08-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Bucky's running good so far.

Ocrush4ever
08-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Producers: STOP playing crap over the action!!!!

McSmashie
08-22-2009, 07:50 PM
It is good to see Wiegmann still with us.

Run, run run!!!!

Tremendous45th
08-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Bronco naation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rmac15
08-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Buckhalter was widee!

getlynched47
08-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Buckhalter was wide wide open for the Touchdown.

#24 Next Champ
08-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Missed the TD for Buck! but good play

rmac15
08-22-2009, 07:51 PM
Orton sucks!!!!!

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:51 PM
Wth? Td!????

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:51 PM
wow my heart about fell into my feet

fraguela09
08-22-2009, 07:51 PM
Yikes. Not another goal line pick?

Ocrush4ever
08-22-2009, 07:51 PM
phenomenal effort by scheff.

BroncsSB#3
08-22-2009, 07:51 PM
That should've been an int. Bad throw

Brakshow
08-22-2009, 07:51 PM
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stokes :D

AdamantiumBronco
08-22-2009, 07:52 PM
TD STOKELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:orton :