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White Dragon
07-04-2010, 12:38 AM
American Football Conference

AFC East
New York Jets (12-4)
New England Patriots (11-5)
Miami Dolphins (10-6)
Buffalo Bills (5-11)

AFC North
Baltimore Ravens (13-3)
Cincinnati Bengals (10-6)
Pittsburgh Steelers (9-7)
Cleveland Browns (4-12)

AFC South
Indianapolis Colts (14-2)
Houston Texans (10-6)
Tennessee Titans (9-7)
Jacksonville Jaguars (6-10)

AFC West
San Diego Chargers (10-6)
Denver Broncos (10-6)
Oakland Raiders (9-7)
Kansas City Chiefs (6-10)


National Football Conference

NFC East
Dallas Cowboys (12-4)
New York Giants (11-5)
Washington Redskins (10-6)
Philadelphia Eagles (9-7)

NFC North
Green Bay Packers (12-4)
Minnesota Vikings (11-5)
Detroit Lions (10-6)
Chicago Bears (7-9)

NFC South
New Orleans Saints (15-1)
Atlanta Falcons (12-4)
Carolina Panthers (6-10)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (5-11)

NFC West
San Francisco 49ers (11-5)
Arizona Cardinals (7-9)
Seattle Seahawks (6-10)
St Louis Rams (2-14)

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PLAYOFFS

AFC
1. Indianapolis Colts
2. Baltimore Ravens
3. New York Jets
4. San Diego Chargers
5. New England Patriots
6. Denver Broncos

Wild Card Round
(5) New England over (4) San Diego
(6) Denver over (3) N.Y. Jets

Divisional Round
(1) Indianapolis over (6) Denver
(2) Baltimore over (5) New England

AFC Championship
(2) Baltimore over (1) Indianapolis


NFC
1. New Orleans Saints
2. Green Bay Packers
3. Dallas Cowboys
4. San Francisco 49ers
5. Atlanta Falcons
6. Minnesota Vikings

Wild Card Round
(4) San Francisco over (5) Atlanta
(6) Minnesota over (3) Dallas

Divisional Round
(1) New Orleans over (6) Minnesota
(4) San Francisco over (2) Green Bay

NFC Championship
(1) New Orleans over (4) San Francisco


SUPER BOWL XLV
New Orleans Saints over Baltimore Ravens

Maharishineo
07-04-2010, 09:12 AM
I counted 304 wins....

8x32=256

You've estimated about 50 wins too many. It's pretty clear in that there are 9 ten win teams in the AFC alone.

That's what's so difficult about predictions, it always seems like teams are on the rise... but in the end, there are only so many games to be won and there are going to be teams that disappoint, period. That's why we don't get much love, sure... we have potential, but from the outside looking in, if there are only going to be X number of good enough for the playoffs (and you listed a whopping 8 other ten win teams), it makes sense that they wouldn't choose us (based on recent years, ect). Heck, with all that competition, that's why I don't exactly have a lot of confidence picking us.

Sometimes it comes down to not how good you are and how much you can get better, but realizing other teams are doing the same

DishWater
07-04-2010, 09:23 AM
Packers over Jets in the Superbowl, for me...

SDERA
07-04-2010, 10:39 AM
My objective prediction...

AFCW:
Chargers 12-4. Lose in Super Bowl
Chiefs 7-9
Raiders 7-9
Broncos 5-11

AFCE:
Patriots 11-5
Jets 10-6
Dolphins 10-6
Bills 2-14

AFCS:
Colts 12-4
Texans 10-6
Jaguars 6-10
Titans 6-10

AFCN:
Ravens 12-4
Bengals 10-6
Steelers 8-8
Browns 3-13

NFCW:
49ers 10-6
Cardinals 7-9
Seahawks 5-11
Rams 4-12

NFCE:
Cowboys 12-4 Win Super Bowl
Eagles 10-6
Giants 8-8
Redskins 7-9

NFCS:
Saints 12-4
Falcons 10-6
Panthers 7-9
Buccaneers 6-10

NFCN
Packers 13-3
Vikings 10-6
Lions 8-8
Bears 7-9

White Dragon
07-04-2010, 10:58 AM
I counted 304 wins....

8x32=256

You've estimated about 50 wins too many. It's pretty clear in that there are 9 ten win teams in the AFC alone.

That's what's so difficult about predictions, it always seems like teams are on the rise... but in the end, there are only so many games to be won and there are going to be teams that disappoint, period. That's why we don't get much love, sure... we have potential, but from the outside looking in, if there are only going to be X number of good enough for the playoffs (and you listed a whopping 8 other ten win teams), it makes sense that they wouldn't choose us (based on recent years, ect). Heck, with all that competition, that's why I don't exactly have a lot of confidence picking us.

Sometimes it comes down to not how good you are and how much you can get better, but realizing other teams are doing the same

The problem is that I added them up before when I first did them, and I came up with 233, so I needed 23 more... apparently the calculator was off or something, because I know I didn't go 32 (it came out 288 this time) over trying to correct my mistake.

Maharishineo
07-04-2010, 11:53 AM
American Football Conference (130)

AFC East (33)
New York Jets (11-5)
New England Patriots (10-6)
Miami Dolphins (9-7)
Buffalo Bills (3-13)

AFC North (30)
Baltimore Ravens (10-6)
Cincinnati Bengals (9-7)
Pittsburgh Steelers (7-9)
Cleveland Browns (4-12)

AFC South (37)
Indianapolis Colts (12-4)
Tennessee Titans (10-6)
Houston Texans (9-7)
Jacksonville Jaguars (6-10)

AFC West (30)
San Diego Chargers (12-4)
Oakland Raiders (8-8)
Denver Broncos (6-10)
Kansas City Chiefs (4-12)


National Football Conference (126)

NFC East (33)
Dallas Cowboys (10-6)
Washington Redskins (9-7)
New York Giants (7-9)
Philadelphia Eagles (7-9)

NFC North (35)
Minnesota Vikings (11-5)
Green Bay Packers (10-6)
Chicago Bears (9-7)
Detroit Lions (5-11)

NFC South (31)
New Orleans Saints (12-4)
Atlanta Falcons (9-7)
Carolina Panthers (7-9)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (3-13)

NFC West (27)
San Francisco 49ers (10-6)
Seattle Seahawks (7-9)
Arizona Cardinals (6-10)
St Louis Rams (4-12)

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PLAYOFFS

AFC
1. Indianapolis Colts
2. San Diego Chargers
3. New York Jets
4. Baltimore Ravens
5. New England Patriots
6. Tennessee Titans
Last-one-out: Houston Texans

Wild Card Round
5. New England Patriots over 4. Baltimore Ravens
3. New York Jets over 6. Tennessee Titans

Divisional Round
1. Indianapolis Colts over 5. New England Patriots
2. San Diego Chargers over 3. New York Jets

AFC Championship
2. San Diego Chargers over 1. Indianapolis Colts


NFC
1. New Orleans Saints
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Dallas Cowboys
4. San Francisco 49ers
5. Green Bay Packers
6. Washington Redskins
Last-one-out: Chicago Bears

Wild Card Round
5. Green Bay Packers over 4. San Francisco 49ers
3. Dallas Cowboys over 6. Washington Redskins

Divisional Round
1. New Orleans Saints over 5. Green Bay Packers
2. Minnesota Vikings over 3. Dallas Cowboys

NFC Championship
2. Minnesota Vikings over 1. New Orleans Saints


SUPER BOWL XLV
San Diego Chargers over Minnesota Vikings

DancingHorsey
07-04-2010, 12:20 PM
My objective prediction...

Right...:rolleyes:

Lyghts Out
07-04-2010, 12:22 PM
My objective prediction...

AFCW:
Chargers 12-4. Lose in Super Bowl
Chiefs 7-9
Raiders 7-9
Broncos 5-11

AFCE:
Patriots 11-5
Jets 10-6
Dolphins 10-6
Bills 2-14

AFCS:
Colts 12-4
Texans 10-6
Jaguars 6-10
Titans 6-10

AFCN:
Ravens 12-4
Bengals 10-6
Steelers 8-8
Browns 3-13

NFCW:
49ers 10-6
Cardinals 7-9
Seahawks 5-11
Rams 4-12

NFCE:
Cowboys 12-4 Win Super Bowl
Eagles 10-6
Giants 8-8
Redskins 7-9

NFCS:
Saints 12-4
Falcons 10-6
Panthers 7-9
Buccaneers 6-10

NFCN
Packers 13-3
Vikings 10-6
Lions 8-8
Bears 7-9

No way Dallas beats us.

Charlie Brown
07-04-2010, 12:28 PM
So, let me get this straight.

The current Browns team is as bad as the 99' team?

Last year yo0 all said the Browns would win 1 or 2 games (which is extremely unrealistic) and now you say the Browns will only win 3 or 4 games?

Using your reasoning, why don't you have every team in the NFL other than the Broncos win only 3 games?!

broncoFan!
07-04-2010, 12:31 PM
My objective prediction...

AFCW:
Chargers 12-4. Lose in Super Bowl
Chiefs 7-9
Raiders 7-9
Broncos 5-11

AFCE:
Patriots 11-5
Jets 10-6
Dolphins 10-6
Bills 2-14

AFCS:
Colts 12-4
Texans 10-6
Jaguars 6-10
Titans 6-10

AFCN:
Ravens 12-4
Bengals 10-6
Steelers 8-8
Browns 3-13

NFCW:
49ers 10-6
Cardinals 7-9
Seahawks 5-11
Rams 4-12

NFCE:
Cowboys 12-4 Win Super Bowl
Eagles 10-6
Giants 8-8
Redskins 7-9

NFCS:
Saints 12-4
Falcons 10-6
Panthers 7-9
Buccaneers 6-10

NFCN
Packers 13-3
Vikings 10-6
Lions 8-8
Bears 7-9

What are you snorting? :laugh: You crazy!

SDERA
07-04-2010, 12:41 PM
What are you snorting? :laugh: You crazy!

Based on what exactly? Are you unhappy with the Broncos record in that scenario?

SDERA
07-04-2010, 12:53 PM
So, let me get this straight.

The current Browns team is as bad as the 99' team?

Last year yo0 all said the Browns would win 1 or 2 games (which is extremely unrealistic) and now you say the Browns will only win 3 or 4 games?

Using your reasoning, why don't you have every team in the NFL other than the Broncos win only 3 games?!

Jake Delhomme is your QB...conversation over.

Maharishineo
07-04-2010, 12:57 PM
So, let me get this straight.

The current Browns team is as bad as the 99' team?

Last year yo0 all said the Browns would win 1 or 2 games (which is extremely unrealistic) and now you say the Browns will only win 3 or 4 games?

Using your reasoning, why don't you have every team in the NFL other than the Broncos win only 3 games?!

Bitter, bitter.

Like I said before, it's about all of the other teams. Nearly everybody tries to improve their rosters, but there are only so many wins to go around... and past performance is and indicator (if not one of the best in sports) of future performance. It[s why people put the Patriots and Colts up there every year. It's why the NFC East always gets the benefit of the doubt.

It's why I had you guys making the playoffs after the ten win season. But truth is, aside from that anomaly, you guys never do well... and to me there's not much difference between this year and last. In fact, you lost talent, but 'gained players for your system without the character flaws', like us actually. If that's any indication, you'll win about as many games as you did the year before. I mean, we did. More logic to keep you in that range.

Sorry there buddy, I understand your frustration, but you don't seem to at least understand why people can (logically) put you in that win range. I suggest accepting people have right and reason to say that, and just be satisfied knowing it's not necessarily what's actually going to happen.

Maharishineo
07-04-2010, 12:58 PM
Based on what exactly?

Based on being a Chargers fan... How do you figure you're "objective"?

Maharishineo
07-04-2010, 01:07 PM
Some expanded explanation:

NFL: I feel good about the teams making the playoffs, with the exception of the last-one-outs (Houston Texans and Chicago Bears) and perhaps the Miami Dolphins and Atlanta Falcons. The strongest division (based on wins) is the AFC South, which could open a playoff spot up for the Dolphins and the weakest division is the NFC West.

AFC: With what I feel is a bolstered running game with who I think will be a beast in Ryan Matthews, and another down year in our division, the Chargers finally tear it up in the regular season while the Raiders show improvement by having a capable player at quarterback. The Raven's off-season moves gets them a division title, as with the Jets, although their division keeps them from doing well enough for a bye. It comes down to the Jets, Colts or Chargers. Picked the Chargers.

NFC: Meanwhile in the NFC, the East sees a dip, allowing the Cowboys to claim another title and the Redskins to sneak into the playoffs. The Vikings place emphasis on the post-season instead The 49ers much improved offensive line will give them a strong enough offense to win the west, while the Cards falter without Warner. Comes down to the Saints, Vikings Cowboys, maybe the Packers. Picked the Vikings, but could feel better about it.

Maharishineo
07-04-2010, 01:08 PM
The problem is that I added them up before when I first did them, and I came up with 233, so I needed 23 more... apparently the calculator was off or something, because I know I didn't go 32 (it came out 288 this time) over trying to correct my mistake.

Yeah, no biggie. In fact, I would've have given it much thought aside from so many good teams on your list and not enough putrid ones. Though since I pointed it out I felt compelled to make sure my count was right. :laugh:

Charlie Brown
07-04-2010, 04:24 PM
Jake Delhomme is your QB...conversation over.

The starting QB's that the Browns had last year are now backups with other teams.

Jake Delhomme has started in this league before. Jake Delhomme has been the starting QB for playoff teams in Carolina and was also the QB that led them to the Super Bowl.

So, yea, you are quite right, Jake Delhomme is the QB. Tim Couch isn't the QB, Brady Quinn isn't the QB, and Charlie Frye isn't the QB. Delhomme is and he is a better QB than all of them.


Like I said before, it's about all of the other teams. Nearly everybody tries to improve their rosters, but there are only so many wins to go around... and past performance is and indicator (if not one of the best in sports) of future performance. It[s why people put the Patriots and Colts up there every year. It's why the NFC East always gets the benefit of the doubt.

So, it is about who the Browns play. Let me ask you this, did you check and see who the Browns play or did you just decide "hey, 3-13 sounds right, even though I have no idea who they play"


It's why I had you guys making the playoffs after the ten win season. But truth is, aside from that anomaly, you guys never do well... and to me there's not much difference between this year and last. In fact, you lost talent, but 'gained players for your system without the character flaws', like us actually. If that's any indication, you'll win about as many games as you did the year before. I mean, we did. More logic to keep you in that range.

Let me ask you this, let's go with the "best" record you guys have so far for the Browns which is 4-12. In the last 6 years, how many times have the Browns had record better than 4-12? Three times.

Now, let's go with the worst record you have for the Browns, 3-13. How many times in the last six years have the Browns gone 3-13 (since you say they do it all the time)? ZERO

Zero times in the last six years. What have the Browns done this year that makes them worse than last year? Hmmm?

They got rid of Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson for one. Both QB's are horrid. So, getting rid of bad players makes the Browns bad? No, it makes them better than last year.

Let's see who else the Browns got rid of since last year?

Jamal Lewis? He's replaced by Hardesty, a rookie. Lewis was over the hill. So, not something that makes the team "worse".

So, right now, you tell me who the Browns got rid of that makes this team worse than last years?


Sorry there buddy, I understand your frustration, but you don't seem to at least understand why people can (logically) put you in that win range. I suggest accepting people have right and reason to say that, and just be satisfied knowing it's not necessarily what's actually going to happen.

Well, Tim Tebow is a self-righteous ultra-right wing Christian and I hope he makes Ryan Leaf look like Peyton Manning. Furthermore, there is no way your team gets even close to the playoffs. Who is your "big" offensive weapon now? Oh wait, I forgot, your coach doesn't really care for an offense. You can't win games if you can't score.

White Dragon
07-04-2010, 04:31 PM
The starting QB's that the Browns had last year are now backups with other teams.

Jake Delhomme has started in this league before. Jake Delhomme has been the starting QB for playoff teams in Carolina and was also the QB that led them to the Super Bowl.

So, yea, you are quite right, Jake Delhomme is the QB. Tim Couch isn't the QB, Brady Quinn isn't the QB, and Charlie Frye isn't the QB. Delhomme is and he is a better QB than all of them.



So, it is about who the Browns play. Let me ask you this, did you check and see who the Browns play or did you just decide "hey, 3-13 sounds right, even though I have no idea who they play"



Let me ask you this, let's go with the "best" record you guys have so far for the Browns which is 4-12. In the last 6 years, how many times have the Browns had record better than 4-12? Three times.

Now, let's go with the worst record you have for the Browns, 3-13. How many times in the last six years have the Browns gone 3-13 (since you say they do it all the time)? ZERO

Zero times in the last six years. What have the Browns done this year that makes them worse than last year? Hmmm?

They got rid of Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson for one. Both QB's are horrid. So, getting rid of bad players makes the Browns bad? No, it makes them better than last year.

Let's see who else the Browns got rid of since last year?

Jamal Lewis? He's replaced by Hardesty, a rookie. Lewis was over the hill. So, not something that makes the team "worse".

So, right now, you tell me who the Browns got rid of that makes this team worse than last years?



Well, Tim Tebow is a self-righteous ultra-right wing Christian and I hope he makes Ryan Leaf look like Peyton Manning. Furthermore, there is no way your team gets even close to the playoffs. Who is your "big" offensive weapon now? Oh wait, I forgot, your coach doesn't really care for an offense. You can't win games if you can't score.

Dude, you really need to get laid.

Charlie Brown
07-04-2010, 04:45 PM
Dude, you really need to get laid.

So, let me get this straight.

I am angry because people are saying the Browns are going to have their worst season since 1999. Something for which they have no logical explanation on why they claim that.

So, since I called them on that, I need to get laid?

Umm ... no. That has nothing to do with football and last I checked I was on a football board and not a sex site.

White Dragon
07-04-2010, 04:47 PM
So, let me get this straight.

I am angry because people are saying the Browns are going to have their worst season since 1999. Something for which they have no logical explanation on why they claim that.

So, since I called them on that, I need to get laid?

Umm ... no. That has nothing to do with football and last I checked I was on a football board and not a sex site.

No, you just need to relax and not take everything so seriously. This IS the internet. I disagree with what you have to say about Quinn, but other than that, I can agree with you. If Delhomme has an up year instead of a down one, then the Browns could be a 9-10 win team.

Charlie Brown
07-04-2010, 04:49 PM
No, you just need to relax and not take everything so seriously.

That's me and that's how I live.

If I don't like something I state so.

If I just sat here and let everyone say whatever they wanted, then people would say "you need to be more emotional, don't let them walk all over you".

White Dragon
07-04-2010, 04:58 PM
That's me and that's how I live.

If I don't like something I state so.

If I just sat here and let everyone say whatever they wanted, then people would say "you need to be more emotional, don't let them walk all over you".

Fair enough, you just don't have to seem so angry though. You can state your opinion without being so confrontational about it.

The Browns do have a history of coming in last in their division, and that's purely what I based my prediction on. I have to even it out so the totals are 256-256, but the exactly wins and losses I only physically calculated were for the Broncos and Chargers, the reason I just glanced over their schedule and picked a number that seemed like it would work.

To be honest, the Browns are the only team I really even like from the AFC North.

ChargersDivison
07-04-2010, 05:08 PM
Fair enough, you just don't have to seem so angry though. You can state your opinion without being so confrontational about it.

The Browns do have a history of coming in last in their division, and that's purely what I based my prediction on. I have to even it out so the totals are 256-256, but the exactly wins and losses I only physically calculated were for the Broncos and Chargers, the reason I just glanced over their schedule and picked a number that seemed like it would work.

To be honest, the Browns are the only team I really even like from the AFC North.

10-6 for SD is not very realistic, nor is it for Den though.

Stop being a homer.

DancingHorsey
07-04-2010, 05:19 PM
Stop being a homer.

Coming from ROD...

Oh the irony. :laugh:

Maharishineo
07-04-2010, 05:44 PM
So, it is about who the Browns play. Let me ask you this, did you check and see who the Browns play or did you just decide "hey, 3-13 sounds right, even though I have no idea who they play"

I went with what sounds right. And I chose four, not three. By the way... my friend picked the Steelers to win it all a couple years ago. I told him no way, not with that schedule. After the season I gave him props. The schedule's the schedule. It may make a minor difference, but if you're good you're good, if not, then that's that.


Let me ask you this, let's go with the "best" record you guys have so far for the Browns which is 4-12. In the last 6 years, how many times have the Browns had record better than 4-12? Three times.

Now, let's go with the worst record you have for the Browns, 3-13. How many times in the last six years have the Browns gone 3-13 (since you say they do it all the time)? ZERO

Zero times in the last six years. What have the Browns done this year that makes them worse than last year? Hmmm?

They got rid of Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson for one. Both QB's are horrid. So, getting rid of bad players makes the Browns bad? No, it makes them better than last year.

Let's see who else the Browns got rid of since last year?

Jamal Lewis? He's replaced by Hardesty, a rookie. Lewis was over the hill. So, not something that makes the team "worse".

So, right now, you tell me who the Browns got rid of that makes this team worse than last years?

Almost every team improves every year, the wins have to go to somebody, and I'm not picking the Browns.


Well, Tim Tebow is a self-righteous ultra-right wing Christian and I hope he makes Ryan Leaf look like Peyton Manning. Furthermore, there is no way your team gets even close to the playoffs. Who is your "big" offensive weapon now? Oh wait, I forgot, your coach doesn't really care for an offense. You can't win games if you can't score.

Did you do your research? All it took was reading this thread. I predicted the Broncos to go 6-10. I'm not expecting much, even though we "improved". Reread my points for a third time if you want to have an actual discussion instead of this insult slinging. But obviously you don't. Like I said, you're bitter.

More so than I thought. Just plain bitter. Man, you really do need to get laid or something. :laugh:

Charlie Brown
07-04-2010, 05:58 PM
I went with what sounds right. And I chose four, not three. By the way... my friend picked the Steelers to win it all a couple years ago. I told him no way, not with that schedule. After the season I gave him props. The schedule's the schedule. It may make a minor difference, but if you're good you're good, if not, then that's that.

Did you do your research? All it took was reading this thread. I predicted the Broncos to go 6-10. I'm not expecting much, even though we "improved". Reread my points for a third time if you want to have an actual discussion instead of this insult slinging. But obviously you don't. Like I said, you're bitter.

Browns Schedule

1 @Tampa Bay
2 Kansas City
3 @ Baltimore
4 Cincinnati
5 Atlanta
6 @ Pittsburgh
7 @ New Orleans
8 BYE
9 New England
10 Jets
11 @ Jacksonville
12 Carolina
13 @ Miami
14 @ Buffalo
15 @ Cincinnati
16 Baltimore
17 Pittsburgh

Yet, with that schedule you see only 4 wins and the other sees only 3. There are at least five games the Browns can win before the Bye week itself. Tampa, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh (no Roethlisberger).

White Dragon
07-04-2010, 06:02 PM
Browns Schedule

1 @ Tampa Bay
2 Kansas City
3 @ Baltimore
4 Cincinnati
5 Atlanta
6 @ Pittsburgh
7 @ New Orleans
8 BYE
9 New England
10 Jets
11 @ Jacksonville
12 Carolina
13 @ Miami
14 @ Buffalo
15 @ Cincinnati
16 Baltimore
17 Pittsburgh

Yet, with that schedule you see only 4 wins and the other sees only 3. There are at least five games the Browns can win before the Bye week itself. Tampa, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh (no Roethlisberger).

Here, looking at their schedule, here's what I see... right now, I'm going to go with 8-8

Maharishineo
07-04-2010, 06:16 PM
Browns Schedule

1 @Tampa Bay
2 Kansas City
3 @ Baltimore
4 Cincinnati
5 Atlanta
6 @ Pittsburgh
7 @ New Orleans
8 BYE
9 New England
10 Jets
11 @ Jacksonville
12 Carolina
13 @ Miami
14 @ Buffalo
15 @ Cincinnati
16 Baltimore
17 Pittsburgh

Yet, with that schedule you see only 4 wins and the other sees only 3. There are at least five games the Browns can win before the Bye week itself. Tampa, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh (no Roethlisberger).

Thing is... what you see as potential wins, those teams see the Browns and see as potential wins. Sorry, Charlie. It doesn't work that way. But I'll give it a shot anyway:

You should win one versus Tampa and KC. Bengals and Falcons, while at home, are still tough. You're going down for sure versus the Saints, Patriots and Jets. I'll give you two division games over the course of the season, early Steelers game included as that's no guarantee. That leaves the Jags, Panthers, Dolphins, Bills and back the the Falcons. I'd expect no more than two. That gives you two, four, six. Plus Jake'll maybe win an extra game for you... or more likely even lose a couple.

Although it definitely looks more favorable than three or four wins, in my estimate I see still see a double digit loss season,

Kyousukeneko
07-04-2010, 10:25 PM
cleveland will improve i like holmgren coming in that alone should get you a couple more wins, but next year when colts the starter is going to be the first time for a winning season in a while, but i do not see mangini or holmgren losing there jobs after this season, manginis a good D mind and Holmgrens a good O mind, they will be fine, either way east coast, with a patriots style d is what will happen with your team

RaiderFanSD
07-04-2010, 11:04 PM
Here, looking at their schedule, here's what I see... right now, I'm going to go with 8-8

Now you're just trying to be nice dude... How will Delhomme do any better in Cleveland when in Carolina he had a great pass blocking line, slightly better WR's, the BEST running game in the NFL & a top 10 defense to fall back on? Cleveland has a worse O-line, running game, & was ranked 30th or 31st in defense. I don't see how they've gotten that much better for this year. Haden will struggle as pretty much every rookie corner does, Ward was even surprised he was drafted this high & although I do like what they did this draft I don't see it making them any better than 6-10 simply because of who they've got at QB.

I don't see how they're going to sweep the Bengals either, IMO they had one of the best drafts this year and have proven they are the better team than the Browns for now.

White Dragon
07-04-2010, 11:16 PM
Now you're just trying to be nice dude... How will Delhomme do any better in Cleveland when in Carolina he had a great pass blocking line, slightly better WR's, the BEST running game in the NFL & a top 10 defense to fall back on? Cleveland has a worse O-line, running game, & was ranked 30th or 31st in defense. I don't see how they've gotten that much better for this year. Haden will struggle as pretty much every rookie corner does, Ward was even surprised he was drafted this high & although I do like what they did this draft I don't see it making them any better than 6-10 simply because of who they've got at QB.

I don't see how they're going to sweep the Bengals either, IMO they had one of the best drafts this year and have proven they are the better team than the Browns for now.

My 8-8 prediction was a best case scenario for the Browns this season, not my official prediction, which I'm still working on for all teams not the Broncos or Chargers.

Kyousukeneko
07-04-2010, 11:54 PM
honestly Dellhomme wont start if they go out of the gun 0-4 and if wallace is not better colt will be starting by the end of the season, due to the fact he is obviously there future

BRONCOS_OWN_U16
07-05-2010, 05:41 AM
im sorry to say charlie brown but the browns suck ass and you know it.

the browns will be lucky to win a preseason game this year.

0-16 is highly likely for the browns this season.

Charlie Brown
07-05-2010, 10:07 AM
Now you're just trying to be nice dude... How will Delhomme do any better in Cleveland when in Carolina he had a great pass blocking line,

Cleveland has that. Joe Thomas protecting his blind side.


slightly better WR's

Young WR's and speaking of WR, Robiskie is looking very impressive in camp and is expected to start over MoMass.


the BEST running game in the NFL

The Browns were in the top 10 in rushing yards last season. So, no reason to expect the Browns to do worse running the ball and as has been stated, will rely on the run.


a top 10 defense to fall back on

Defense is improving and as you can see they drafted several players to help the defense.


Cleveland has a worse O-line

Offensive Line stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

Cleveland Browns are ranked 10th in the NFL in offensive line. The amazing Carolina Panthers O-Line is ranked 13th.

Hmm ... looks like the Browns O-Line is actually an improvement.


worse o-line andrunning game

Rushing Stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

The Browns were ranked 8th in the NFL in rushing.


was ranked 30th or 31st in defense

Defense Link (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=TOTAL_YARDS&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

Wow, finally something you are correct on. Let's see 1 correct out of 3. That is 33% and that is a failing grade. As far as being correct on things, you have an F-. Next time, I suggest you actually look up things and learn that the Browns are not this "horrible" team as you make them out to be. This isn't 1999.


I don't see how they've gotten that much better for this year. Haden will struggle as pretty much every rookie corner does, Ward was even surprised he was drafted this high & although I do like what they did this draft I don't see it making them any better than 6-10 simply because of who they've got at QB.

Still though, you say you can see the Browns going 6-10. That is twice the # of wins as these fools are claiming. Or, as the recent poster put, 0 wins. I wonder if he likes to go on Madden and set all the Browns ratings to the lowest he can out of spite.


I don't see how they're going to sweep the Bengals either, IMO they had one of the best drafts this year and have proven they are the better team than the Browns for now.

Anything can happen. Just like everyone claims that there is no way that the Broncos can possibly lose to the Raiders. They had JaMarcus Russell at QB! LOL, oh wait. What happened? JaMarcus Russell has a 2-0 record as a starting QB against the Broncos in Denver?

RaiderFanSD
07-05-2010, 02:03 PM
Cleveland has that. Joe Thomas protecting his blind side.


You're right, I was referring to the rest of the O-line when I said that though. They obviously have a better O-line than the Panthers.



Young WR's and speaking of WR, Robiskie is looking very impressive in camp and is expected to start over MoMass.

It's still camp.. You guys don't have anything that resembles someone that's even close to Smith's level right now to bail Delhomme out(inb4armjoke).

Delhomme throwing to inexperienced WR's is not good news..


The Browns were in the top 10 in rushing yards last season. So, no reason to expect the Browns to do worse running the ball and as has been stated, will rely on the run.

Delhomme was able to rely on the best run game in the league and still stunk it up.


Defense is improving and as you can see they drafted several players to help the defense.

As did every team in the draft...


The Browns were ranked 8th in the NFL in rushing.


Defense Link (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=TOTAL_YARDS&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

Wow, finally something you are correct on. Let's see 1 correct out of 3. That is 33% and that is a failing grade. As far as being correct on things, you have an F-. Next time, I suggest you actually look up things and learn that the Browns are not this "horrible" team as you make them out to be. This isn't 1999.

Nice try on being an ass but you're the one who failed. I was wrong about the O-line but you guys don't have as good as a running game as the Panthers & were ranked near dead last in defense. So that's 2/3, not 1/3 unless you're trying to say you do have a better running game than them.

I don't see the Browns as an awful team altogether, but the one thing that will hold them back if anything is Delhomme. The Panthers were better in every major aspect besides O-line(and the difference between yours and theirs is very slim) yet you expect Delhomme to all of a sudden turn into a good QB while throwing to inexperienced WR's that he's had one offseason to work with. Your season all boils down to that guy and I'm not very confident in him considering once the Panthers benched him for an unknown they started winning some games.

Kyousukeneko
07-05-2010, 02:42 PM
lors and browns are probably ub the simular place, it can be very different de[ending on how some parts of team play

Charlie Brown
07-05-2010, 09:51 PM
Nice try on being an ass but you're the one who failed. I was wrong about the O-line but you guys don't have as good as a running game as the Panthers & were ranked near dead last in defense. So that's 2/3, not 1/3 unless you're trying to say you do have a better running game than them.

I don't see the Browns as an awful team altogether, but the one thing that will hold them back if anything is Delhomme. The Panthers were better in every major aspect besides O-line(and the difference between yours and theirs is very slim) yet you expect Delhomme to all of a sudden turn into a good QB while throwing to inexperienced WR's that he's had one offseason to work with. Your season all boils down to that guy and I'm not very confident in him considering once the Panthers benched him for an unknown they started winning some games.

Panthers had 2500 rushing yards. The Browns had 2100 rushing yards. Hardesty can squeeze out at least enough to put the Browns in the same area that the Panthers were this past year. 2nd in the NFL last year compared to 8th in the NFL last year. Both still really good running teams. You claiming that the difference between 2500 and 2100 yards is so vast that it is impossible to reach. This coming from the fan of a team whose team only managed 1700 rushing yards, good enough for 28th in the NFL.

The Browns are much better than you are giving them credit for and it is still 1/3. Just because one team is ranked 2nd in the NFL doesn't mean there is a big falling out if a player goes to the team that is ranked 8th.

Kyousukeneko
07-05-2010, 10:02 PM
your line has a top young c in makc a OG in steinbac and a good OT in thomas, also your other side seems like extremely weak, i am also not really sure what to think of most other things

Charlie Brown
07-05-2010, 10:19 PM
your line has a top young c in makc a OG in steinbac and a good OT in thomas, also your other side seems like extremely weak, i am also not really sure what to think of most other things

Browns upgraded the right side of the line.

Kyousukeneko
07-05-2010, 10:31 PM
with those are the only three starters i see on your o-line

BroncoFanBoy
07-06-2010, 12:16 AM
AFC
AFC West
1. Chargers 11-5
2. Broncos 10-6
3. Raiders 7-9
4. Chiefs 6-10

AFC South
1. Colts 13-3
2. Titans 12-4
3. Texans 9-7 (they are a great team, but they have a really tough schedule this season)
4. Jaguars 5-11

AFC North
1. Ravens 13-3
2. Steelers 8-8
3. Bengals 7-9
4. Browns 6-10

AFC East
1. Jets 12-4 (they were just in the AFC Championship game last year and have made some additions)
2. Dolphins 11-5 (i wouldn't be suprised if they win the AFC East either)
3. Patriots 9-7
4. Bills 4-12

NFC
NFC West
1. 49ers 9-7
2. Cardinals 6-10
3. Seahawks 5-11
4. Rams 3-13

NFC South
1. Saints 12-4
2. Panthers 11-5 (they played really well when moore was playing instead of delhomme.)
3. Falcons 9-7
4. Buccaneers 6-10

NFC North
1. Vikings 12-4
2. Packers 11-5
3. Bears 8-8
4. Lions 6-10

NFC East
1. Cowboys 11-5
2. Giants 9-7
3. Eagles 7-9
4. Redskins 6-10

RaiderFanSD
07-06-2010, 12:23 AM
Panthers had 2500 rushing yards. The Browns had 2100 rushing yards. Hardesty can squeeze out at least enough to put the Browns in the same area that the Panthers were this past year. 2nd in the NFL last year compared to 8th in the NFL last year. Both still really good running teams. You claiming that the difference between 2500 and 2100 yards is so vast that it is impossible to reach. This coming from the fan of a team whose team only managed 1700 rushing yards, good enough for 28th in the NFL.

The Browns are much better than you are giving them credit for and it is still 1/3. Just because one team is ranked 2nd in the NFL doesn't mean there is a big falling out if a player goes to the team that is ranked 8th.

Your QB is still Delhomme, your team will only go as far as he takes you. Now give me reasons why he'll do better in Cleveland than in Carolina when he had a better supporting cast there and is going to a team with a different playbook and WR's he's only had 1 offseason to throw to. A change of scenery isn't an acceptable answer either.


This coming from the fan of a team whose team only managed 1700 rushing yards, good enough for 28th in the NFL.

That's completely irrelevant, we're talking about the Browns here not the Raiders but nice try. :incomplete:

Oh and it's still 2/3, Carolina had a better D and running game ANYWAY you look at it. You had a better O-line, that's it. 2/3 I was right on.

WhoDeyBengals
07-06-2010, 12:24 AM
The Browns are absolute garbage. They're going to lose 12 games this year, including two to the Bengals. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Charlie. Your team sucks. Stop threadjacking.

WhoDeyBengals
07-06-2010, 12:30 AM
http://www.christinaquick.com/blog/wp-content/uploads//2009/04/1107charlie_brown_lucy_football-300x258.jpg

RaiderFanSD
07-06-2010, 12:36 AM
The Browns are absolute garbage. They're going to lose 12 games this year, including two to the Bengals. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Charlie. Your team sucks. Stop threadjacking.

http://www.funnyforumpics.com//forums/owned/1/animated141.gif

BroncoFanBoy
07-06-2010, 01:18 AM
Your QB is still Delhomme, your team will only go as far as he takes you. Now give me reasons why he'll do better in Cleveland than in Carolina when he had a better supporting cast there and is going to a team with a different playbook and WR's he's only had 1 offseason to throw to. A change of scenery isn't an acceptable answer either.



That's completely irrelevant, we're talking about the Browns here not the Raiders but nice try. :incomplete:

Oh and it's still 2/3, Carolina had a better D and running game ANYWAY you look at it. You had a better O-line, that's it. 2/3 I was right on.

gotta agree. besides, the panthers did look really good when moore was playing instead of delhomme

Brakshow
07-06-2010, 07:20 AM
The Browns are absolute garbage. They're going to lose 12 games this year, including two to the Bengals. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Charlie. Your team sucks. Stop threadjacking.

Gotta agree with whodey; love seeing the Browns do good since Im not especially fond of most Bengal fans (I live in Cincinnati) however I have to be realistic. The Browns had a recent run game last year and that was pretty much it in the way of offense. Honestly I dont think "Upgrading" to a person who threw the same amount of INT's as Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn combined (who also had more offensive weapons) is really going to change much.

Wish you the best of luck but I still think Cleveland has some serious rebuilding to do m8.

PS. Whodey = one of the few Bengal fans I like. Cincinnati fans = 400 homers for every intelligent fan :P

Charlie Brown
07-06-2010, 09:10 AM
The Browns are absolute garbage. They're going to lose 12 games this year, including two to the Bengals. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Charlie. Your team sucks. Stop threadjacking.

How does it feel to have a team full of criminals, yet again?

At least I have my pride while you have the police blotter to look forward too.

Your team is nothing but a wannabe Browns castoff. Paul Brown even had your team use the same uniforms as the Browns (with the exception of the big Bengals on the helmet). So, you are really one to talk.

I Eat Staples
07-06-2010, 09:30 AM
PS. Whodey = one of the few Bengal fans I like. Cincinnati fans = 400 homers for every intelligent fan :P

That's basically a good estimate for fans of any team.

Beagle
07-06-2010, 09:47 AM
How does it feel to have a team full of criminals, yet again?

At least I have my pride while you have the police blotter to look forward too.

Your team is nothing but a wannabe Browns castoff. Paul Brown even had your team use the same uniforms as the Browns (with the exception of the big Bengals on the helmet). So, you are really one to talk.

He was the founder of both teams so I think he can do as he pleases. I bet you Browns fans wish he was never jetisoned by Modell. Then Modell wouldn't have taken your team away and left you with an expantion team that never has recovered while the team you had went on to win the superbowl and have success year after year at the browns and Clevelands expense.

WhoDeyBengals
07-06-2010, 11:19 AM
How does it feel to have a team full of criminals, yet again?

At least I have my pride while you have the police blotter to look forward too.

Your team is nothing but a wannabe Browns castoff. Paul Brown even had your team use the same uniforms as the Browns (with the exception of the big Bengals on the helmet). So, you are really one to talk.
How many arrests have the Bengals had this offseason, compared to any other team in the division? The Steelers have Rapelisberger, your players keep trying to pack heat on airplanes and the only team that's managed to stay completely out of trouble thus far is the Ravens, sadly. Benson put himself in a bad situation, to be sure, but it's not like we don't have some other quality running backs on the team, and his suspension (if he even gets one) won't be more than two games, in all likelihood.

And as far as us being the Brown's "wannabe" castoffs... well, we get to count Paul Brown as our team's father, while you get the distinction of being the team that fired the father of modern football. Way to go, stains.




PS. Whodey = one of the few Bengal fans I like. Cincinnati fans = 400 homers for every intelligent fan :P
I don't disagree. ;) How you been, Brakshow?


He was the founder of both teams so I think he can do as he pleases. I bet you Browns fans wish he was never jetisoned by Modell. Then Modell wouldn't have taken your team away and left you with an expantion team that never has recovered while the team you had went on to win the superbowl and have success year after year at the browns and Clevelands expense.
THIS.

Kyousukeneko
07-06-2010, 11:36 AM
sp wjats gpomg pm wotj cedric benson?

Brakshow
07-06-2010, 11:46 AM
I don't disagree. ;) How you been, Brakshow? .

Great man; just praying for a way Denver can play Cinci in the playoffs this year so I can see me another game :P. I refuse to go to Lucas Oil in colt land

WhoDeyBengals
07-06-2010, 12:24 PM
Great man; just praying for a way Denver can play Cinci in the playoffs this year so I can see me another game :P. I refuse to go to Lucas Oil in colt land

That would be great, and while I'd be willing to do Lucas Oil once, I've heard the horror stories. While I doubt Denver will visit Cincy this season, we can always hope, right?

Brakshow
07-06-2010, 12:45 PM
That would be great, and while I'd be willing to do Lucas Oil once, I've heard the horror stories. While I doubt Denver will visit Cincy this season, we can always hope, right?

I went to a Colts game at the Hoosier dome before LO stadium and it was a good time (colts sucked then). After the Colts started winning the bandwagon fans came out in force. I had the door of my car kicked in because it said "go bears" in paint marker on my window that some girl wrote on it 05' ofc. In 2007 my best friend (chargers fan) went to a game with his family who are also from San Diego and they got spit on/Food thrown at them/Everyone tried to fight them.

Fact of the matter is I hate Colts fans more than ANY fans in the league because of my personal experiences; I mean I grew up in Indiana and never even saw Colts fans until Manning joined the team lol its kinda sad.

If you decide to give LO a chance, make sure you take a nice entourage with you!

MindField
07-09-2010, 10:35 AM
I am not going to go into the entire season, so I will simply say Baltimore over Minnesota in an all-purple Super Bowl....and the Broncos at 8-8...again.

Bubby Brister
07-09-2010, 12:22 PM
Browns Schedule

1 @Tampa Bay
2 Kansas City
3 @ Baltimore
4 Cincinnati
5 Atlanta
6 @ Pittsburgh
7 @ New Orleans
8 BYE
9 New England
10 Jets
11 @ Jacksonville
12 Carolina
13 @ Miami
14 @ Buffalo
15 @ Cincinnati
16 Baltimore
17 Pittsburgh

Yet, with that schedule you see only 4 wins and the other sees only 3. There are at least five games the Browns can win before the Bye week itself. Tampa, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh (no Roethlisberger).
5-11 why dont you root for a real team and not a door mat

Houdini
07-09-2010, 04:37 PM
Pshhh, you guys putting Jets ahead of 'Phins? :laugh:

I see Dolphins going 12-4 this year edging the division by beatings the ets twice (beat them twice last year) and running all over the Pats. Last year an exhausted offensive line and a gaping defense really hurt us closing out some big wins versus top teams such a Colts and Saints.

This year we went and got two studs, Dansby and of course, Marshall (ya, hate the guy but he is a player). Add in the best two back tandum with Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown who hammer defenses. Henne will finally have his team if he can avoid turnovers. The offense is all about clock control and wearing out defenses.

We added some more solid players in the trenches on both sides of the ball in this years draft. Only weakness I see on defense is going to be safety :ugh:

I will take some bets on "Phins making it to the AFC Championship but losing there. :thumb: