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broncokev
10-09-2003, 06:11 PM
I always thought Dave Casper was the best..But Shannon tore that up.. And I'm sick and tired of hearing about Tony Gonzalas(or however ya spell his name..who cares)
Lokk what Shannon did for Denver..Baltimore..(he tore us up!! that year) and for the position!! I also thought Russ Francis was a great one..But Shannon owns them all.Stats don't lie.

My fav receiver!! of course Steady Eddy- Ed McCaffrey.. What a work ethic!!

Elway
10-09-2003, 07:02 PM
Until someone gets more yards & catches, Sharpe is the Best. He's a future hall of Famer and one of the great Bonco leaders.

bronco-7
10-09-2003, 09:40 PM
sharpe is the greatest TE of all time, i dont think there's any question about that. i dont care what ppl say about gonzales or shockey or todd heap, i just wanna wait and see how well they're doing on their 14th year (most likely retired) if not, then slowed atleast.

broncos4ever
10-09-2003, 09:44 PM
All the others are want-a-be's until they put up the numbers. Shannon not only has the numbers, but also has three superbowl wins. That also speaks volumes.

Sharpe is still putting up numbers...

Bronco_In_AUS
10-09-2003, 11:24 PM
shanon is an awesome TE ... i cant beleive he is still going. He still comes up with the big plays ... and constantly is contributing the numbers .... and not to mention his leadership. Dont be suprised if we see shanny go around for the 15th time :D

LakerGirl
11-01-2003, 04:42 PM
Since it doesn't really look good for another Super Bowl this year.......(I'm sad about that), I am really hoping that Shannon plays another year. I love him and I want him to have ONE more ring!

Mer
11-01-2003, 04:54 PM
The last 2 years Tony Gonzalez has had better numbers than Shannon. :) Granted last year Tony played 3 more games than he did.

This year, Tony still has better numbers with the same amount of games.

Denver has to contend with QB problems.
Tony has to contend with KC having Dante, and Priest to hog the ball.

General consensus outside of Broncoland is that Tony is the best TE in football. Or at the very least one of the best.

I'd be happy with either.

broncokev
11-01-2003, 06:13 PM
Check your numbers again!!Sharpe's are pretty close..and he played 2 less games lass year!! Shannon has been around a lot longer than TG..Plus he is NOT the only weapon on the team..Numbers don't lie. I'm not saying he's not bad..but he's no Shannon!!! Two years is nothing ...since there is a big age difference. ..(plus Sharpe was Hurt!!!He should have better numbers.) There are alot of factors ..If I had my choice I know who I want.
I am also a Dave Casper fan..till Shannon. He's almost on the longivity level as a Jerry Rice. He has or had to share the spotlight with guys Like Terrel Davis. John Elway,Rod Smith,Ed McCaffrey,Clinton Portis...just to name a few Who is Tg sharing with?/1 maybe 2 guys and for how long?/ He should have better numbers..
Be awhile before I'm convinced..then remember Sharpe will be in the HOF!!!!! Something that is not kept..is toughness..Sharpe rarely not makes the play..oh well we all have our favorites. twice as long twice the stats...

1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52
1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 8 8 31 351 11.3 26 4 5 0 21
TOTAL 197 162 784 9641 12.3 82 58 130 17 452





1997 Kansas City Chiefs 16 0 33 368 11.2 30 2 5 0 21
1998 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 59 621 10.5 32 2 6 0 33
1999 Kansas City Chiefs 15 15 76 849 11.2 73 11 8 1 47
2000 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 93 1203 12.9 39 9 16 0 66
2001 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 73 917 12.6 36 6 13 0 49
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 63 773 12.3 42 7 10 1 39
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 8 8 26 411 15.8 67 4 10 2 18
TOTAL 103 87 423 5142 12.2 73 41 68 4 273

enjoy..Sharpe rules...

broncos4ever
11-01-2003, 06:47 PM
Since Shannon has already put up the numbers, he has nothing to defend. He can only put up more numbers the longer he plays football.

The same argument could have been made about Terrell Davis and it was made that he could have been or would have been the best running back in football. One injury and that ruined him being the best back and also might keep him out of the Hall of Fame even with the numbers he put up in the short time he played.

The same could be said about Tony G. at this time. He has to stay healthy or he will not be one of the best. He is in the top 4 at this time, that can be said. As for the future he needs not to get injured for long period of time, otherwise the numbers he puts up now will be forgotten.

Shannon is already there... He is the best. Gonzalez, Shockey, Heap still have something to prove.

If it is third down, I want Sharpe in the game...

Return of Lava
11-01-2003, 06:54 PM
Davis' injury came on an turnover too thats what hurts

broncos4ever
11-01-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Return of Lava
Davis' injury came on an turnover too thats what hurts

That's my entire point, a football player had to stay healthy. Even with some injuries to his knees, Shannon has learned to play through the pain, be a leader and that is why he has the numbers and that is why he is the best tight end in football -- bar none.

The others they must stay healthy and then we will see what they can do. They might be able to claim they are the best for the year, but the all time best without a doubt is Shannon Sharpe and they others are reaching for that goal.

Return of Lava
11-01-2003, 07:04 PM
all football/basketball players play through the pain but some injuries are just too severe. shannon has been lucky enough to avoid serious injuries

broncos4ever
11-01-2003, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by Return of Lava
all football/basketball players play through the pain but some injuries are just too severe. shannon has been lucky enough to avoid serious injuries

That's so true and who knows whether Gonzalez, Shockey or Heap will. That is why some of the Chief fans on this thread can only hope and we Bronco fans can know...

broncos4ever
11-01-2003, 08:11 PM
Horseface,

I can agree with you this time on the numbers with Tony G.

We do need to take into consideraton this is Shockey's second year and Heap's third year and this is Tony's seventh...

KC Chiefs
11-01-2003, 08:18 PM
Tony G. is the best TE in the game right now.I do feel that Shannon will probably go down as one of the best ever.However it's Kellen Winslow who is the best to play the TE position.

broncokev
11-01-2003, 08:33 PM
Yea Kellen is a great TE ...I'll never forget the SD / Miami game!!!
That rounds out my top 3 Casper/Sharpe/Winslow!!
His son is looking good also.

broncos4ever
11-01-2003, 08:34 PM
Here are the statistics on Kellen Winslow and Shannon Sharpe...

1979 sdg | 7 | 25 255 10.2 2 |
| 1980 sdg | 16 | 89 1290 14.5 9 |
| 1981 sdg | 16 | 88 1075 12.2 10 |
| 1982 sdg | 9 | 54 721 13.4 6 |
| 1983 sdg | 16 | 88 1172 13.3 8 |
| 1984 sdg | 7 | 55 663 12.1 2 |
| 1985 sdg | 10 | 25 318 12.7 0 |
| 1986 sdg | 16 | 64 728 11.4 5 |
| 1987 sdg | 12 | 53 519 9.8 3 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 109 | 541 6741 12.5 45 |


1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52
1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 8 8 31 351 11.3 26 4 5 0 21
TOTAL 197 162 784 9641 12.3 82 58 130 17 452


If you compare those statistics I do not think there is any question that Sharpe is much better than Winslow.

Javalon
11-01-2003, 08:53 PM
Today's tight ends are more versatile than in the older days of football. When looking at tight ends we shouldn't discount the guys that were fierce blockers as well as decent-good receivers.

As pass-catching tight ends go, the numbers are plainly in favor Sharpe but looking only at receptions is a disservice to the old-timers.

Any Broncos fan should know better than to bash Tony Gonzalez; we've been burned by him too many times to not respect his top-tier skills. Gonzalez got off to a faster start in his career than Sharpe did and Shannon did miss most of one season. It'll be interesting to see how long Tony plays and how healthy he stays.

So far this season, Sharpe has more catches (31 to 26) while Gonzalez has more yards (411 to 351) while they're tied in TD's at 4 apiece. So, I'm not sure you can say that one is playing better than the other right now. But considering Shannon is so old and decrepit you'd think Tony would be leading easily, wouldn't you? Hmm...

Anyway, Gonzalez definitely has the chance of being a Hall of Famer but people sure do jump the gun on players like Heap and Shockey. I'm just glad that Sharpe graced the Broncos with his presence for most of his career and I'm grateful to Shanny for having the sense to correct his mistake (I know, the salary cap) and bring Shannon back to the Broncos to end his career.

Mer
11-01-2003, 09:17 PM
Not by any means saying that Shannon is Denver's only means of attack. I KNOW thats not true.

But Denver needs Shannon far more than KC needs Tony.

Or he would have more.

Elway
11-01-2003, 09:30 PM
3 Super Bowl Rings can't be wrong... that's three more than Gonzales currently has. Shannon is the Jerry Rice of his position, the rest are playing catch up, maybe they will one day, who knows, the same way Moss or Harrison may catch up to Rice one day.

Javalon
11-01-2003, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by Mer
Not by any means saying that Shannon is Denver's only means of attack. I KNOW thats not true.

But Denver needs Shannon far more than KC needs Tony.

Or he would have more.

I don't know. With the 3rd-string QB starting for us, I'd probably agree with you. But until our recent injuries, the Broncos have had good luck with their starting receivers.

The Chiefs have had solid but not dominating receivers as far as I can remember in recent years. For instance, last season was the Holmes and Gonzalez show in KC. Tony had 10 more catches than KC's top wide receiver. In contrast, Shannon was 3rd on the Broncos behind both Rod and Ed (and he was 28 behind Rod).

If you took Shannon out of the Broncos' offense it would suck but they'd survive (at least when the team was healthy). If you took Gonzalez out of the Chiefs' offense, I think they'd be seriously disadvantaged.

I'm not sleighting Sharpe in any way but I think Gonzalez is more crucial to the Chiefs' offensive success.

Any Chiefs fans care to comment on the importance of Tony to your offense?

Mer
11-01-2003, 11:04 PM
Of Tony's 7 TD's last year, can anyone tell me how many came after Priest got hurt?

Javalon
11-01-2003, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Mer
Of Tony's 7 TD's last year, can anyone tell me how many came after Priest got hurt?

According to the NFL's stats, Gonzalez didn't have a TD in the Chiefs' final two games without Holmes. It could be the defenses clamped down on Gonzalez since he became KC's top receiver after Priest was out of the lineup.