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Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 12:40 PM
According to Len Pasquarelli of The Sports Xchange, the Panthers will "definitely" listen to trade offers for Jonathan Stewart this offseason.

After signing Mike Tolbert, the Panthers quickly put out word that Stewart wasn't on the trade block, perhaps for fear of losing leverage. Per Pasquarelli, however, the Steelers could be a "sleeper" to make a run at Stewart, and "everyone" has made the Broncos the favorite to acquire the versatile, 25-year-old back. Pasquarelli does concede "there hasn't been anything serious yet."

Normally I'm not one for super splashy off-season moves, but Stewart is a BEAST, and this seems like an off-season for splashy decisions, so I'd be 100% all in for this one.

Thoughts?

Blondie79
03-23-2012, 12:41 PM
would absolutly love this move...

jetdrumz
03-23-2012, 12:41 PM
That would be pretty cool.

DoomTrooper
03-23-2012, 12:42 PM
We could REALLY use him right about now (since I think Knowshon will soon be out of the picture).

KnoMo#27
03-23-2012, 12:42 PM
Please make this happen EFX!!! Stewie is my favorite RB in the NFL. Has good speed and is a powerful runner.

LSIGRAD09
03-23-2012, 12:43 PM
Go for it.
:thumb:

BroncsSB#3
03-23-2012, 12:44 PM
Normally I'm not one for super splashy off-season moves, but Stewart is a BEAST, and this seems like an off-season for splashy decisions, so I'd be 100% all in for this one.

Thoughts?

Since we're going all in with Manning to win right now, I'd say lets bring Stewart in. McGahee still has some life left in him and him and Stewart would make a nice tandem, while mixing Knowshon in here and there.

ERoyal248
03-23-2012, 12:44 PM
As long as he signs an extension, sure, otherwise, no.

captainbronco
03-23-2012, 12:44 PM
would love this move a lot of draft experts were saying we would draft him back in 2008

kingelway7
03-23-2012, 12:44 PM
Matt Forte isnt pleased with the Bears signing Bush and could want out.

Just sayin.....

But ya, Id sure take Stewart.

CTM
03-23-2012, 12:45 PM
Depends on what we would have to give up, but yes he'd be a beast here.

the0rangecrush
03-23-2012, 12:45 PM
Um yes please

famicommander
03-23-2012, 12:45 PM
Definitely a good move. Moreno is a bust and McGahee isn't getting any younger.

A Stewart/McGahee tandem behind Manning sounds prettt deadly. Especially with the big upgrades at TE with Dreesen and Tamme.

tat2matt
03-23-2012, 12:45 PM
I would support this move. Living where I do, I've seen a lot of Stewart. I like how he plays. He would be a great compliment to McGahee and a solid option on screens. Dangerous.

jonathanrivers
03-23-2012, 12:45 PM
Yep. Trade Knowshon for a 4th rounder or 5th rounder, sign Stewart and be done with it.

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 12:46 PM
I personally consider this a stretch, I just can't see us making a move like this, but if we do, I would be absolutely giddy with excitement.

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 12:46 PM
Yep. Trade Knowshon for a 4th rounder or 5th rounder, sign Stewart and be done with it.

Well we'd have to trade for Stewart, and nobody will give us a 4th or 5th for Knowshon.

tat2matt
03-23-2012, 12:46 PM
Matt Forte isnt pleased with the Bears signing Bush and could want out.

Just sayin.....

Meh, Forte will command too much to not be the focus of the offense.

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 12:48 PM
I moved this to News Wire, I figure it belongs here :goofy:

Louich
03-23-2012, 12:50 PM
Matt Forte isnt pleased with the Bears signing Bush and could want out.

Just sayin.....

But ya, Id sure take Stewart.

yeah but no one will pay 1 let alon 2 1st round pick for Forte. He's great dont get me wrong but the price is way too steep for a RB who just came off a knee ligament tear...

Thors Hammer
03-23-2012, 12:50 PM
I'd prefer Stewart over any of the backs in this year's draft.

JerseyAdam
03-23-2012, 12:52 PM
Get it done.

BroncosDivision
03-23-2012, 12:52 PM
Just a great signing. He's tough as nails and young. Leaves more room for us in the draft to get the defensive talent we've been missing for years.

I say...

Make it happen EFX! :goz:

MorenoFan27
03-23-2012, 12:53 PM
And some people are really saying Elway is setting us back???? we now have Manning, Two good Tight ends, Porter, and possibly Stewart. Great off season!

ERoyal248
03-23-2012, 12:54 PM
I'd prefer Stewart over any of the backs in this year's draft.

He has 1 year left on his contract, if we can sign him to an extension, hell yes, otherwise, no.

Louich
03-23-2012, 12:55 PM
if he were to come here I dont know why we would not sign an extension. We'll have a high power offense, the coach that drafted him is here, kind of a win win situation if you ask me :-)

#24 Next Champ
03-23-2012, 12:56 PM
Uhh before everyone goes all crazy, what's the asking price?

CoryWinget81
03-23-2012, 12:57 PM
Yes please yes God in heaven yes

yes yes yes yes yes

KnoMo#27
03-23-2012, 12:58 PM
Uhh before everyone goes all crazy, what's the asking price?

A 2nd rounder would be my guess.

SBboundBRONCOS
03-23-2012, 12:58 PM
Id give our second for him and maybe a the 6th

dude is a beast and ive wanted him since the draft

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 12:59 PM
Uhh before everyone goes all crazy, what's the asking price?

I don't think this is too official of a thing, but I would assume if we were to try and trade for him we'd have a lot of leverage. They're inflated at the position with Williams, Tolbert, Goodson and Stewart. We also know they're not going to extend Stewart next year with all the money tied up in Tolbert and Williams, so we should be able to pry him loose for a reasonable amount.

I'd be willing to send over a 3rd and 5th or something like that, maybe a 2nd, which I don't think would be too unreasonable of an asking price. Panthers can't expect to get much in return considering their situation. Teams know they're going to lose him after this next off-season.

txbroncobackr75
03-23-2012, 12:59 PM
I would def give up a 2nd for Stewart he has been out perfoming Deangelo Williams for the past couple of years. He is a young versitille RB who can catch and run between the tackles. He would make our team dangerous...But a 3rd and 5th would be better either way. EFX go and get him....

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 01:00 PM
Alright alright alriiiiiiight. Yeeeeeeeeeeah.

ERoyal248
03-23-2012, 01:00 PM
Id give our second for him and maybe a the 6th

dude is a beast and ive wanted him since the draft


Yes please yes God in heaven yes

yes yes yes yes yes


if he were to come here I dont know why we would not sign an extension. We'll have a high power offense, the coach that drafted him is here, kind of a win win situation if you ask me :-)

JStew is a monster, the only problem is if we can sign him to an extension, if we can, do this deal in a heartbeat, the kid is a stud.

Only 24 or 25, and doesn't have much miles on him.

FL BRONCO
03-23-2012, 01:01 PM
No doubt I'd love to have him, but it would depend on what we have to give up and whether he signs extenzion

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 01:01 PM
Anyone think a second straight up will do the trick?

BroncoooJohnson
03-23-2012, 01:02 PM
We could REALLY use him right about now (since I think Knowshon will soon be out of the picture).

I must have missed something.

Capt. Jack
03-23-2012, 01:03 PM
Maybe, D.J. ? Or some other good player?

MorenoFan27
03-23-2012, 01:06 PM
Fact is Foxy loved Stewart. I can easily see him begging Elway to make this happen. Stewart/McGahee/Moreno would be insanely good. Our Super Bowl team is shaping up here if we get Stewart, and some DT's along with the draft still coming up I will say we are legitimate contenders.

BroncoooJohnson
03-23-2012, 01:06 PM
Anyone think a second straight up will do the trick?

I think the Panthers would definitely jump on it. Think of it from their perspective, they have Tolbert, Goodson, and Williams, and holes all over the D, with Ron Rivera as their HC. They could go ahead and fill a serious need with that pick.

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 01:07 PM
JStew is a monster, the only problem is if we can sign him to an extension, if we can, do this deal in a heartbeat, the kid is a stud.

Only 24 or 25, and doesn't have much miles on him.

He turned 25 just two days ago so he's still really young, and like you said, doesn't have a lot of carries on his legs.


Maybe, D.J. ? Or some other good player?

We'd have to send DJ and a 3rd or 4th rounder if we were to do that, DJ is good but is getting old and facing a suspension this year.

BroncoooJohnson
03-23-2012, 01:07 PM
Maybe, D.J. ? Or some other good player?

DJ plus a pick maybe, like a 4th. I wouldn't want to lose DJ though.

MorenoFan27
03-23-2012, 01:08 PM
DJ plus a pick maybe, like a 4th. I wouldn't want to lose DJ though.

Agreed DJ is too big of an impact for our team. Would not like our LB core if he was gone. Only person reliable is Miller.

Capt. Jack
03-23-2012, 01:11 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot he may miss some games, It would be a good trade maybe, I also like D.J. But didn't know who else we could trade?

jonathanrivers
03-23-2012, 01:11 PM
DJ plus a pick maybe, like a 4th. I wouldn't want to lose DJ though.

This. I'm not so sure why everyone wants to just ship DJ off. He's been one of the team's most consistent players for years and still has 3-4 good years in him left.

Remedy
03-23-2012, 01:13 PM
Michael Fabiano ‏ @Michael_Fabiano Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Imagine if the Broncos now trade for Jonathan Stewart (John Fox ties)? That offense would be sick!

Capt. Jack
03-23-2012, 01:15 PM
This. I'm not so sure why everyone wants to just ship DJ off. He's been one of the team's most consistent players for years and still has 3-4 good years in him left.

You are right, but can we afford to resign him down the road a little? We would have to give a good player to get this dude . I was thinking?

Atwnbroncfan
03-23-2012, 01:17 PM
Doesn't sound like they will trade him

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 01:17 PM
im not gonna count my chickens before they hatch but if we can pull this off im saying top 5 offense this year.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 01:18 PM
Doesn't sound like they will trade him

unless they plan on running the ball 50 times a game not including cam they are gonna have one unhappy backfield.

Capt. Jack
03-23-2012, 01:19 PM
im not gonna count my chickens before they hatch but if we can pull this off im saying top 5 offense this year.

It would be awesome! Who knows maybe it can happen? :-)

#24 Next Champ
03-23-2012, 01:19 PM
DJ and a 4th would be great...that's what I'd offer em and go from there

Den615
03-23-2012, 01:20 PM
Uhh before everyone goes all crazy, what's the asking price?

I would guess a 2nd round pick.

I love Stewart, but running backs have such short shelf lives, I would hate to give away a premium pick for him.

I wouldn't be upset if we got him, he is an incredible player, but I would rather give our 3rd and a 5th or a 3rd and a conditional pick next year.

It's an interesting development for sure.

InElwayWeTrust
03-23-2012, 01:20 PM
Omg this would be awesome! :eek:

I'm sure he would sign an extension if we got him, especially with Fox here.

BroncosDivision
03-23-2012, 01:22 PM
No way we should let go of DJ!

Capt. Jack
03-23-2012, 01:23 PM
Hey do you think this thread can go half as crazy, like the other one?

KnoMo#27
03-23-2012, 01:25 PM
Hey do you think this thread can go half as crazy, like the other one?

Yeah, It will probably get close to the Mike Wallace thread. :D

#24 Next Champ
03-23-2012, 01:26 PM
No way we should let go of DJ!

I've been saying this for the longest time too but what I saw from DJ last year back at his natural position just didn't impress me ...always getting taken out of run plays and is not good at all in coverage ...also seems to have lost that top-notch athletic ability that use to make him great ...

I think overall he's just a lazy player that doesn't work hard enough at his craft

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 01:27 PM
Doesn't sound like they will trade him

It doesn't make sense not to honestly. They have Williams and Tolbert signed to long term contracts, Goodson is a very good player, and they're probably going to have to let Stewart walk next off-season when his contract is up, so why not get some value for him right now?

Capt. Jack
03-23-2012, 01:30 PM
Yeah, It will probably get close to the Mike Wallace thread. :D

Good stuff, It would be great to get this guy!

jaytea11
03-23-2012, 01:34 PM
Just use our 2nd on Doug Martin... he'll be just as good.

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 01:42 PM
Just use our 2nd on Doug Martin... he'll be just as good.

I don't think so. Martin isn't the athlete of Stewart, his ceiling will be limited when he makes it to the NFL. I also don't think he'll be there for our 2nd round pick.

kingelway7
03-23-2012, 01:43 PM
I asked Incarcerate Bob if he had anything on Stewart and he replied with the following...


Incarcerated Bob ‏ @incarceratedbob

@nyy_db Some updated rumors tonight : Broncos have shown interest

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 01:44 PM
Just use our 2nd on Doug Martin... he'll be just as good.

see here is the thing. we could use our second on a guy we think is gonna be good, or we can use our second on a guy we know is good?

Remedy
03-23-2012, 01:44 PM
Seriously, signing Stewart would be unreal.. seriously.. think about that offence... haha

So wish THIS would happen.

kingelway7
03-23-2012, 01:46 PM
Seriously, signing Stewart would be unreal.. seriously.. think about that offence... haha

So wish THIS would happen.

^^^This^^^

Would need to sign him to an extension though. I wouldnt wanna trade for him and then risk him walking after the season.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 01:47 PM
^^^This^^^

Would need to sign him to an extension though. I wouldnt wanna trade for him and then risk him walking after the season.

i think that would have to be part of the trade. didnt miami do something like that with marshall?

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 01:53 PM
I asked Incarcerate Bob if he had anything on Stewart and he replied with the following...

Oh man... I would flip if we could get him.

Remedy
03-23-2012, 01:55 PM
Oh man... I would flip if we could get him.

ain't that the truth. :goz:

This off-season has been pretty surreal so far.

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 01:56 PM
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Pretty decent highlight clip, love his running style.

KnoMo#27
03-23-2012, 01:57 PM
Whatever happened with the Wallace rumors? Are we still going for him, or did we back out?

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 01:58 PM
Whatever happened with the Wallace rumors? Are we still going for him, or did we back out?

I think after hearing of the contract he wanted (8 years $120 mill) we backed out.

Thors Hammer
03-23-2012, 01:59 PM
Whatever happened with the Wallace rumors? Are we still going for him, or did we back out?

From what I understand, he's looking to be paid among the highest paid recievers.

To pay him Fitzgerald type money and give up our first to do it is too much to ask.

jonathanrivers
03-23-2012, 02:03 PM
ygCFW8DQWIo

Pretty decent highlight clip, love his running style.

Power, speed and moves. What more could we ask for?

Remedy
03-23-2012, 02:04 PM
Power, speed and moves. What more could we ask for?

a cupcake would be nice.

jonathanrivers
03-23-2012, 02:10 PM
a cupcake would be nice.

I don't get it.

Remedy
03-23-2012, 02:12 PM
ygCFW8DQWIo

Pretty decent highlight clip, love his running style.

The stiff arm just a few seconds after the 1:00 mark is SLICK

bronc_fan23
03-23-2012, 02:18 PM
Saw this guy play in high school. Still a beast to this day.

Would love to have him!

MileHighHitMan7
03-23-2012, 02:59 PM
Moreno is a great receiving RB. Great in space. His problem is his lack of burst and vision after a hand off.

As for a trade for another aging RB, the Broncos have enough of that with Willis. Need to get younger and faster.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 03:00 PM
Moreno is a great receiving RB. Great in space. His problem is his lack of burst and vision after a hand off.

As for a trade for another aging RB, the Broncos have enough of that with Willis. Need to get younger and faster.

stewart is 25. he also ran a 4.48 back when he was drafted.

Jay3
03-23-2012, 03:03 PM
He's a stud. Will be the #1 back for the Broncos if they can get him.

InsaneBlaze23
03-23-2012, 03:08 PM
Moreno is a great receiving RB. Great in space. His problem is his lack of burst and vision after a hand off.

As for a trade for another aging RB, the Broncos have enough of that with Willis. Need to get younger and faster.

Know what you are talking about before you post.

He's not a aging back, he just turned 25 on the 21st. That's not aging or old, esp considering the Moreno(the back you're defending) is only a few months younger.

So would that mean Knowshon is also old and aging? Stewart is a great running back, and would make a great 1-2 punch with Willis McGahee.

Orange Pants
03-23-2012, 03:10 PM
I would love to get him, but how much is he going to cost us? I definitely don't want to give anything more then a 4th.

7epicdays
03-23-2012, 03:12 PM
Got Willis, get Stewart then draft a back in the 4th. (Chris Polk, LaMichael James?)

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 03:14 PM
I would love to get him, but how much is he going to cost us? I definitely don't want to give anything more then a 4th.

offering a 4th for stewart is like going to a car dealership and they show you the benzes and bmws and then they ask what your looking to spend and then they point in the direction of the kias. or in this case the door. (no knock on anyone with a kia my car cost less lol)

MHS
03-23-2012, 03:23 PM
Would love to get Stewart, he was number 1 on who I wanted the broncos to get the year he came out of Oregon

BroncoooJohnson
03-23-2012, 03:26 PM
offering a 4th for stewart is like going to a car dealership and they show you the benzes and bmws and then they ask what your looking to spend and then they point in the direction of the kias. or in this case the door. (no knock on anyone with a kia my car cost less lol)

I'll take Goodson :thumb:

Gameshark
03-23-2012, 03:27 PM
Stewart would be a phenomenal pickup. He is very underrated and far better than anything we have. I would be okay with giving up as much as a 2nd rd pick for him, but a 3rd + a 5th would be awesome.

Then we can take Konz in the 1st and a DT like Mike Martin in the 2nd. Maybe pick up another body for depth at DT in FA and we will be set.

Make it happen EFX!

darkone66
03-23-2012, 03:28 PM
Stewart and McGahee tandem would be cool then we need to get a move on to get Curtis Lofton

LarryDean
03-23-2012, 03:30 PM
Depends on what we would have to give up.

Agreed ... No way they're going to trade him for kibbles and bits so I would have to pass as I'm not letting go of the 1st round pick unless to move up or to trade down to acquire more picks as much as I would like to have him on the roster ...

2nd round pick ... Now we're talking ...

Chillez
03-23-2012, 03:30 PM
I would love have Stewart, he is young and plays at high level. If we land him are offense becomes elite teams will have tough time matching up with against us.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 03:30 PM
I'll take Goodson :thumb:

I can't lie I would take him also lol.

OrangeCrush_304
03-23-2012, 04:28 PM
7:22PMest:3/23/12:**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Sources: We have 5 teams that have called about Jonathan Stewart (RB - Panthers) the most interested teams so far are the Broncos (Offering 3rd & another later pick) & now the Browns, who jumped in the past 24hours.. Cleveland also has interest in Forte but the price is still a little high so they are giving themselves multiple options at this point. The other 3 teams are - Giants / Patriots / Steelers (Pittsburgh loves him) but are being held hostage by the Wallace contract talks..

^^ Incarcerated Bob

We offering a 3rd and another pick

Also said (as of now) Broncos are the favorites to land him as well.

captcaveman
03-23-2012, 04:32 PM
Stewart and Mcgahee just sounds like a dope rb tandem. make it happen efx

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 04:36 PM
7:22PMest:3/23/12:**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Sources: We have 5 teams that have called about Jonathan Stewart (RB - Panthers) the most interested teams so far are the Broncos (Offering 3rd & another later pick) & now the Browns, who jumped in the past 24hours.. Cleveland also has interest in Forte but the price is still a little high so they are giving themselves multiple options at this point. The other 3 teams are - Giants / Patriots / Steelers (Pittsburgh loves him) but are being held hostage by the Wallace contract talks..

^^ Incarcerated Bob

We offering a 3rd and another pick

Also said (as of now) Broncos are the favorites to land him as well.

come on make it happen make it happen.

LegionOfVonDoom
03-23-2012, 04:37 PM
FROM INCARCERATED BOB

7:22PMest:3/23/12:**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Sources: We have 5 teams that have called about Jonathan Stewart (RB - Panthers) the most interested teams so far are the Broncos (Offering 3rd & another later pick) & now the Browns, who jumped in the past 24hours.. Cleveland also has interest in Forte but the price is still a little high so they are giving themselves multiple options at this point. The other 3 teams are - Giants / Patriots / Steelers (Pittsburgh loves him) but are being held hostage by the Wallace contract talks..

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 04:37 PM
7:22PMest:3/23/12:**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Sources: We have 5 teams that have called about Jonathan Stewart (RB - Panthers) the most interested teams so far are the Broncos (Offering 3rd & another later pick) & now the Browns, who jumped in the past 24hours.. Cleveland also has interest in Forte but the price is still a little high so they are giving themselves multiple options at this point. The other 3 teams are - Giants / Patriots / Steelers (Pittsburgh loves him) but are being held hostage by the Wallace contract talks..

^^ Incarcerated Bob

We offering a 3rd and another pick

Also said (as of now) Broncos are the favorites to land him as well.

That's all it would take to land him? I'm shocked. Please make this happen. It's a steal for us.

berlownacyo7s
03-23-2012, 04:37 PM
I would do Stewart for a 3rd + 5th in a heart beat. No, half a heart beat. Heck, I'd do it for a 2nd rounder.

broncos SB2010
03-23-2012, 04:38 PM
I've been saying this for the longest time too but what I saw from DJ last year back at his natural position just didn't impress me ...always getting taken out of run plays and is not good at all in coverage ...also seems to have lost that top-notch athletic ability that use to make him great ...

I think overall he's just a lazy player that doesn't work hard enough at his craft

I think you have no idea what you are talking about here..........

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 04:39 PM
Yep. This is in the Broncos news wire section. Pretty extensive discussion going on. Seems everyone would love it including myself.

LegionOfVonDoom
03-23-2012, 04:40 PM
Yep. This is in the Broncos news wire section. Pretty extensive discussion going on. Seems everyone would love it including myself.

my bad mods can u move please

OrangeCrush_304
03-23-2012, 04:40 PM
Especially if we were going to draft a running back in the 2nd or 3rd might as well go for the sure thing Stewart is a beast.

Yakka27
03-23-2012, 04:41 PM
Would absolutely love this!

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 04:41 PM
I think you have no idea what you are talking about here..........

I second this motion. DJ is still one of the best hardest working players remaining on the defense. I saw him making impact plays all last season.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 04:43 PM
I think you have no idea what you are talking about here..........

i think we are eyeing cutting or trading DJ anyways. especially if woodyard plays well during his suspension and irving starts to come into his own. DJ makes 5 mill this year and 6 next. elway values clady's posistion so i think there is no doubt we do all we can to re sign him and if we land stewart then its almost a guarantee. i been against trading DJ but the people might be on to something here.

Yakka27
03-23-2012, 04:47 PM
What's J-Stew's contract like?

We'd most likely redo it right?

fullcollapse
03-23-2012, 04:47 PM
Anyone know what the cap is looking like for next year?

We still have to lock-up Clady and possibly Porter,
could we afford to give Stewart a big contract?

For what it's worth, this is a no-brainer in my book.

The only RBs I would spend a premium pick on in this draft are Richardson or Miller.

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 04:48 PM
i think we are eyeing cutting or trading DJ anyways. especially if woodyard plays well during his suspension and irving starts to come into his own. DJ makes 5 mill this year and 6 next. elway values clady's posistion so i think there is no doubt we do all we can to re sign him and if we land stewart then its almost a guarantee. i been against trading DJ but the people might be on to something here.

If they are serious about winning now they will not trade DJ. I don't think 5-6 mil is too much for him. I like Woodyard but DJ is better. Have to keep the core strengths of the D if we want to be taken seriously.

Matt44
03-23-2012, 04:49 PM
would LOVE this. Stewart is a beast

duhyaj
03-23-2012, 04:49 PM
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Pretty decent highlight clip, love his running style.

man that straight arm at 1:06 is beast lol,

I always thought what he would look like with an Alex Gibbs coached line.

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 04:51 PM
90 tackles, 5 sacks 3 forced fumbles. Just saying.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 04:52 PM
Anyone know what the cap is looking like for next year?

We still have to lock-up Clady and possibly Porter,
could we afford to give Stewart a big contract?

For what it's worth, this is a no-brainer in my book.

The only RBs I would spend a premium pick on in this draft are Richardson or Miller.

lets say we actually do land stewart who will need an extension and i said if. we have some expiring contracts and a few players salaries decrease like dooms drops a couple mill but others increase. but warrens contract expires then there is the obvious cutting or trading of mcgahee after this season if we get stewart since he will make 3 mill. and knowshon also since his salary i think doubles. and goodman would be cut saving a little over 4 mill and the possible trading or cutting of DJ depending on woodyards play saving 6 mill. i have no clue about all the specific numbers but based on what i said we MIGHT have 15-20 mill before we resign anyone. key word might.

eddieroyal
03-23-2012, 04:53 PM
EFX pls make this hppn I wld love jonathan stewart to b a bronco

Safety
03-23-2012, 04:53 PM
FROM INCARCERATED BOB

7:22PMest:3/23/12:**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Sources: We have 5 teams that have called about Jonathan Stewart (RB - Panthers) the most interested teams so far are the Broncos (Offering 3rd & another later pick) & now the Browns, who jumped in the past 24hours.. Cleveland also has interest in Forte but the price is still a little high so they are giving themselves multiple options at this point. The other 3 teams are - Giants / Patriots / Steelers (Pittsburgh loves him) but are being held hostage by the Wallace contract talks..

ok seriously, if you're going to post something up, put a link to the source, to 1.) give them credit for the info 2.) to validate what you're posting.

thanks.

it would be awesome if we got Stewart though.

duhyaj
03-23-2012, 04:54 PM
lets say we actually do land stewart who will need an extension and i said if. we have some expiring contracts and a few players salaries decrease like dooms drops a couple mill but others increase. but warrens contract expires then there is the obvious cutting or trading of mcgahee after this season if we get stewart since he will make 3 mill. and knowshon also since his salary i think doubles. and goodman would be cut saving a little over 4 mill and the possible trading or cutting of DJ depending on woodyards play saving 6 mill. i have no clue about all the specific numbers but based on what i said we MIGHT have 15-20 mill before we resign anyone. key word might.

If I recall they said the Cap will start jumping big next year when the TV contracts kick in too didnt they?

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 04:54 PM
if we dont have to give up a second i would do a back flip.

Cyrend
03-23-2012, 04:54 PM
I would love this move beyond all measure with the obvious stipulation that we sign him to an extension!

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 04:54 PM
lets say we actually do land stewart who will need an extension and i said if. we have some expiring contracts and a few players salaries decrease like dooms drops a couple mill but others increase. but warrens contract expires then there is the obvious cutting or trading of mcgahee after this season if we get stewart since he will make 3 mill. and knowshon also since his salary i think doubles. and goodman would be cut saving a little over 4 mill and the possible trading or cutting of DJ depending on woodyards play saving 6 mill. i have no clue about all the specific numbers but based on what i said we MIGHT have 15-20 mill before we resign anyone. key word might.

I see what you are saying but I vote trade for him and worry about next years cap when we get there.

Sitting Down
03-23-2012, 04:54 PM
What can I say he's a beast. http://i.imgur.com/OMYB6.gif

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 04:54 PM
If I recall they said the Cap will start jumping big next year when the TV contracts kick in too didnt they?

not a single clue. to google i go.

Mr. Panther
03-23-2012, 04:55 PM
The panthers didn't trade Kris Jenkins his first year because the asking price was too high for other teams, they later traded him for a 3rd and a 5th.

They never traded peppers.

Their policy is to not let go of good players no matter what. So I imagine the asking price is very high.

It makes sense for a trade because they have too much money and talent tied up at the Rb position. They want to be more of a vertical passing attack so having the stable of RBs probably isn't a huge priority.

With their history of player trades in the past though they didn't move the player because they really wanted whoever traded for him to pay big.

As for Stewart he's an amazing player. His legs never stop moving and his stiff arm is outstanding. The only criticism I can think of him is that he's a one cut downhill guy who needs some room to build up some momentum. He's never going to dance out of trouble. So if the O-line is having a bad day Stewart will have a VERY bad day.

I don't know if they'll trade him or not, they will probably not trade unless it's a good deal for them. But with Rivera in town maybe they will be a little more impulsive. I'm fine with keeping all 4 backs they have.

I would rather they trade Stewart for a young defensive player who is of comparable talent at his position. A top WLB would be ideal.

SBboundBRONCOS
03-23-2012, 04:58 PM
i will probably cry if thats all it takes!

RazR
03-23-2012, 05:00 PM
I'm all in on this one.

I'm officially done with Moreno. Let's just go ahead and chalk that draft pick as a bust. Dude CANNOT make it in the NFL, gets injured way to easily.

Stewart, on the other hand, he can and will go into beast mode for the Broncos.

RazR
03-23-2012, 05:01 PM
Stewart and Mcgahee just sounds like a dope rb tandem. make it happen efx

Heck yes, I would love it. Scary run game and pass game.

RazR
03-23-2012, 05:03 PM
Moreno is a great receiving RB. Great in space. His problem is his lack of burst and vision after a hand off.

As for a trade for another aging RB, the Broncos have enough of that with Willis. Need to get younger and faster.

Aging? Since when is 25 old? lol

Steelers want this guy bad but Wallace may force them out of it (love it).

Brakshow
03-23-2012, 05:06 PM
Would definitely love having Stewart; that would be a hell of a rushing threat

RazR
03-23-2012, 05:07 PM
Yea already in Broncos New Wire forum.

That would be huge, and he'd be our new #1 RB. Only 25 yrs old.. Wow!

Mr. Panther
03-23-2012, 05:07 PM
stewart had toe and achilles problems but he did well this year with injuries.

Chillez
03-23-2012, 05:07 PM
Get it done EFX. This would be 2nd best FA sign this year if it gets done.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 05:08 PM
best of all its from incarcerated bob. i think he propelled himself past schefter around here when it comes to credible sources lol.

LegionOfVonDoom
03-23-2012, 05:08 PM
ok seriously, if you're going to post something up, put a link to the source, to 1.) give them credit for the info 2.) to validate what you're posting.

thanks.

it would be awesome if we got Stewart though.

I guess you cant read, you even quoted were it says from incarcerated bob

InElwayWeTrust
03-23-2012, 05:08 PM
Wow a 3rd round pick!?! Get him Nooooaaaawww!!!!!! :D

BRINGBAKPLUMMER
03-23-2012, 05:09 PM
How stupid are the Panthers that they gave a washed up Deangelo Williams a huge contract only to let the younger and better Stewart go for pennies on the dollar? Stewart was also a much better fit for their new system. What a terrible franchise- they are going to waste the gift that was Cam Newton.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 05:09 PM
Aging? Since when is 25 old? lol

Steelers want this guy bad but Wallace may force them out of it (love it).

dont they have mendenhall?

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:09 PM
along with everybody i would absolutely love stewart..Now the browns seem to not want to draft trent richardson, for some reason...they seem to be our biggest threat...but really? is this all it would take.. i have a feeling we may have to offer more

RazR
03-23-2012, 05:11 PM
best of all its from incarcerated bob. i think he propelled himself past schefter around here when it comes to credible sources lol.

He breaks news way before Shefty does. In other words, Shefty doesn't really report "rumors" like IB does. This guy keeps nailing them, so why not take his word?

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:12 PM
i laughed when someone in here said incarcerated bob would be their adopt a bronco. LOL LOL

RazR
03-23-2012, 05:13 PM
The Broncos have offered a 3rd and a later pick. Interested to see what the Browns will do, as they also have interest in Forte.

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:15 PM
the clevland browns, where talent goes to die

InElwayWeTrust
03-23-2012, 05:15 PM
i laughed when someone in here said incarcerated bob would be their adopt a bronco. LOL LOL

That was me. :D

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:16 PM
That was me. :D

lol oh..honestly laughed out loud..best idea ever..he's brought us alot of great news

RazR
03-23-2012, 05:17 PM
Does this mean Moreno's days in Denver are done?

InElwayWeTrust
03-23-2012, 05:17 PM
lol oh..honestly laughed out loud..best idea ever..he's brought us alot of great news

Oh trust me I'm still doing it. First the Peyton news, now if we get Stewart!! :eek:

IncarceratedBob 4 President!!! :laugh:

Oats420
03-23-2012, 05:17 PM
Jonathan Stewart would be a welcome addition to our team. :coffee:

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:18 PM
Does this mean Moreno's days in Denver are done?

if we get stewart, i would think so..maybe we keep him and use him as a receiver out of the back field..but ya his days are probably numbered

Atwnbroncfan
03-23-2012, 05:20 PM
Jut because they are making a play doesn't mean the panthers will do it.

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:22 PM
Jut because they are making a play doesn't mean the panthers will do it.

arent the panthers kinda forced to deal him..i mean williams is still in a big contract and they just brought in tolbert..i cant see them keeping three..so i think they kinda have to deal him

Atwnbroncfan
03-23-2012, 05:22 PM
arent the panthers kinda forced to deal him..i mean williams is still in a big contract and they just brought in tolbert..i cant see them keeping three..so i think they kinda have to deal him

They said Tolbert would be a FB

Joshua2585
03-23-2012, 05:23 PM
I wasn't familiar with Stewart. Just watched a highlight reel of his. DANG! He is such a violent runner. Every time he runs, he crushes some fools.

Matt Forte would be AWESOME as well. Forte seems like he would be a little better change of pace.

Which would you guys rather have?

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:24 PM
I wasn't familiar with Stewart. Just watched a highlight reel of his. DANG! He is such a violent runner. Every time he runs, he crushes some fools.

Matt Forte would be AWESOME as well. Forte seems like he would be a little better change of pace.

Which would you guys rather have?

tough call..but it seems like it would take less to get stewart..i would perfer stewart also i think..

InElwayWeTrust
03-23-2012, 05:25 PM
arent the panthers kinda forced to deal him..i mean williams is still in a big contract and they just brought in tolbert..i cant see them keeping three..so i think they kinda have to deal him

They also have Goodson who is a very good RB. I don't see a point in keeping 4 good RBs when you have so many other holes.

Mile_High_Kiwi
03-23-2012, 05:25 PM
Does this mean Moreno's days in Denver are done?

I'm not sure. He's on the last year of his rookie contract and will be fairly cheap. I doubt we could get much for him, maybe a 5th round pick; so we either trade him and get a 5th, or we keep him around as a 3rd down back and let him walk next year.

Tough one. I like Moreno and think he's better than people give him credit for, especially as a receiver.


Re Stewart, I've wanted this guy on our team since he was coming out of Oregon. He's a beast; my style of runner.

All we would really lack is a burner if we had a backfield of Stewart, McGahee, Ball & Fannin/Moreno.

I hope we can get Stewart. Please Elway, make this happen.

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:28 PM
i am sure fox is pushing for this big time. With his familiarity with stewart..i dont know if fox has enough energy to hop around after another possible big deal. lol

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 05:31 PM
Moreno is a great receiving RB. Great in space. His problem is his lack of burst and vision after a hand off.

As for a trade for another aging RB, the Broncos have enough of that with Willis. Need to get younger and faster.

Aging? Stewart just turned 25 two days ago and ran a 4.45 50 at 235 pounds.

InElwayWeTrust
03-23-2012, 05:34 PM
Aging? Stewart just turned 25 two days ago and ran a 4.45 50 at 235 pounds.

Exactly. :laugh: He is young and fast! And I'd rather trade a pick for a proven NFL workhorse RB than take a chance on a college one, which is a crapshoot.

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:35 PM
Exactly. :laugh: He is young and fast! And I'd rather trade a pick for a proven NFL workhorse RB than take a chance on a college one, which is a crapshoot.

i agree..the only college running back i would take a chance on is trent richardson..and he'll go very early..so we'd have to give up a lot, to trade up to get him

#1BRONCSFAN
03-23-2012, 05:36 PM
if we get stewart, i would think so..maybe we keep him and use him as a receiver out of the back field..but ya his days are probably numbered

Yep Morenos days are numbered when Willis is old as dirt for a RB. Sorry but Moreno is not going anywhere

Sitting Down
03-23-2012, 05:37 PM
We better get him or I'll be disappointed.

djmatty
03-23-2012, 05:40 PM
We better get him or I'll be disappointed.

if incarcerated bob has taught us anything, its to believe

broncos SB2010
03-23-2012, 05:44 PM
i think we are eyeing cutting or trading DJ anyways. especially if woodyard plays well during his suspension and irving starts to come into his own. DJ makes 5 mill this year and 6 next. elway values clady's posistion so i think there is no doubt we do all we can to re sign him and if we land stewart then its almost a guarantee. i been against trading DJ but the people might be on to something here.

After this latest issue DJ may be gone but that is different than saying this:

..always getting taken out of run plays and is not good at all in coverage ...also seems to have lost that top-notch athletic ability that use to make him great ...

I think overall he's just a lazy player that doesn't work hard enough at his craft

txbroncobackr75
03-23-2012, 05:45 PM
Trade for Stewart and then draft Bernard Pierce or Robert Turbine in the mid rds as well that way we have a stable of backs. We know Mcgehee had trouble staying on the field and Moreno is coming off knee surgery. Adding at least two solid RB's is just smart. My fav is Doug Martin but he will go to early if we get Stewart.

Mr. Panther
03-23-2012, 05:47 PM
How stupid are the Panthers that they gave a washed up Deangelo Williams a huge contract only to let the younger and better Stewart go for pennies on the dollar? Stewart was also a much better fit for their new system. What a terrible franchise- they are going to waste the gift that was Cam Newton.

they surrounded him with talent well in his first year. They signed Jeremy Shockey, Williams, traded for Greg Olsen. I think they'll continue to give him weapons, but hopefully he can carry the team like the QB you just signed too.

It's not like they have actually traded yet either. I feel like they wont trade unless it's for above market value. They usually don't trade for players unless it benefits them and screws the other team. Like Chris Harris or Greg Olsen who are both from the bears.

The panthers love to keep their drafted talent and spend as little on outside FAs as they can. So they'll spend a lot on drafted players even if it means paying a soon to be 30 RB a lot of money.

duhyaj
03-23-2012, 05:48 PM
Trade for Stewart and then draft Bernard Pierce or Robert Turbine in the mid rds as well that way we have a stable of backs. We know Mcgehee had trouble staying on the field and Moreno is coming off knee surgery. Adding at least two solid RB's is just smart. My fav is Doug Martin but he will go to early if we get Stewart.

Id love to see us draft Wilson form VT, and trade for Stewart. keep Moreno as he is cheap and has very good hands, and try to trade Willis since he is gonna pitch a fit if we get stewart.

SmokeBassett
03-23-2012, 05:49 PM
If Stewart is such a monster, why would the Panthers want to trade him? For a 4th-round pick?? And why would a team that just committed $95 million to a QB, want to spend big $$$ for Stewart?

My impression of the Broncos' running game last year was that a lot of it owed to Willis McGahee. His savvy running got a lot of extra yards that a less-savvy back would not have got.

jbones733
03-23-2012, 05:50 PM
ill take stewart as a 3 , he is not a top back, but could compliment Mcgahee well. tho still need a burner

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 05:53 PM
After this latest issue DJ may be gone but that is different than saying this:

..always getting taken out of run plays and is not good at all in coverage ...also seems to have lost that top-notch athletic ability that use to make him great ...

I think overall he's just a lazy player that doesn't work hard enough at his craft

yeah i agree thats nuts. DJ is definetly worth every penny of his contract and a really underated versatile linebacker in this lueage. not many players i can think of that can play every linebacker posistion and do it well.

duhyaj
03-23-2012, 05:54 PM
If Stewart is such a monster, why would the Panthers want to trade him? For a 4th-round pick?? And why would a team that just committed $95 million to a QB, want to spend big $$$ for Stewart?

My impression of the Broncos' running game last year was that a lot of it owed to Willis McGahee. His savvy running got a lot of extra yards that a less-savvy back would not have got.

Because they just signed who they loved (Williams) last year to a very large contract, and they got essentially the same player in Tolbert for pennies compared to what Stewart will probably ask for if he stays. They used to need Three solid backs just to compete being that Fox ball required it and the QB they had. Now they only really need two to compliment Cam and his play style and ability to throw the ball.

jaytea11
03-23-2012, 05:58 PM
Just so I understand this.... Everyone wants to trade a 3rd round draft pick for a guy that already has 806 touches on his body????

Seriously???

I'll take Doug Martin.

SmokeBassett
03-23-2012, 05:58 PM
Let's not forget that we have two guards who each weigh just slightly over 300 lbs. We led the league in rushing because we led the league in rushing attempts (and because we found a smart old RB who knew how to find extra yards). We had the fewest pass attempts but the 8th-most sacks. No cast of star QBs and RBs will make up for deficiencies on the O-line.

broncos SB2010
03-23-2012, 06:02 PM
Let's not forget that we have two guards who each weigh just slightly over 300 lbs. We led the league in rushing because we led the league in rushing attempts (and because we found a smart old RB who knew how to find extra yards). We had the fewest pass attempts but the 8th-most sacks. No cast of star QBs and RBs will make up for deficiencies on the O-line.

That Oline and rushing attack was also going up against 8 and 9 in the box. That won't happen this year. Many of those sacks were not due to the play of the Oline but due to the QB play. I don't think we can use any Oline or rushing data from last season to project how they do next season, it will be a completely different offense. Maybe not so much in scheme, but in execution.

Yakka27
03-23-2012, 06:03 PM
Let's not forget that we have two guards who each weigh just slightly over 300 lbs. We led the league in rushing because we led the league in rushing attempts (and because we found a smart old RB who knew how to find extra yards). We had the fewest pass attempts but the 8th-most sacks. No cast of star QBs and RBs will make up for deficiencies on the O-line.

The Green Bay Packers might disagree with this.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 06:03 PM
If Stewart is such a monster, why would the Panthers want to trade him? For a 4th-round pick?? And why would a team that just committed $95 million to a QB, want to spend big $$$ for Stewart?

My impression of the Broncos' running game last year was that a lot of it owed to Willis McGahee. His savvy running got a lot of extra yards that a less-savvy back would not have got.

if willis was 25 i would be right there with you but he aint and stewart is. also stewart is more versatile than mcgahee is. he was williams back up last year and had 761 yards and 5.4 a carry and also 47 catches on top of that. he can be a legit weapon on this team that we wont have to worry about rather or not he will make it to the end of the season. most importantly he is an every down back.

as for why would the panthers want to trade him? they just commited a ton of cash to williams courtesy of being in a bidding war with us last season and they signed tolbert to a cheaper deal than they would for stewart. and its contract year. better get something than nothing when he walks and use those picks now to fill other needs.

makes perfect sense for them to trade him and perfect sense for us to trade for him and invest that money into him.

DenBroFan22
03-23-2012, 06:04 PM
What do I think of this?

Bye Knowshon! :coffee:

Then they can stick to defense in the draft.

djmatty
03-23-2012, 06:05 PM
ya if broncos get stewart, i am sure they draft all defence in draft, maybe a qb in the later rounds..

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 06:05 PM
if there are any concerns about our line the only players that needed improvement were in there rookie and sophmore seasons so its no big deal. nowhere to go but up for them.

duhyaj
03-23-2012, 06:06 PM
Let's not forget that we have two guards who each weigh just slightly over 300 lbs. We led the league in rushing because we led the league in rushing attempts (and because we found a smart old RB who knew how to find extra yards). We had the fewest pass attempts but the 8th-most sacks. No cast of star QBs and RBs will make up for deficiencies on the O-line.

lol are you bagging on our guards now? Kuper is one of the best rated Guards in the game, an amazing run blocker, and beadles will continue to grow if he actually gets to stay in one spot on the line finally instead of being a tackle on e year then a Guard the next....

Tebow's indecision was a huge part of sacks (I loved Tebow BTW) compared to Orton(I hated) who was only sacked 8 times in 5 1/2 games.....

Willis yards also came because defenses were too busy watching weather Tebow still had the ball or Willis which gave a lot of help to both the O line and Willis as Defenses were reading slower....

duhyaj
03-23-2012, 06:07 PM
That Oline and rushing attack was also going up against 8 and 9 in the box. That won't happen this year. Many of those sacks were not due to the play of the Oline but due to the QB play. I don't think we can use any Oline or rushing data from last season to project how they do next season, it will be a completely different offense. Maybe not so much in scheme, but in execution.

I just typed out something almost exactly like what you say here, CP since my comp didnt load the page and lost what I typed lol...

I also think dude you quoted is nuts to bag on our guards as Kuper is one of the better in the league and Beadles will get better now that this will be his second year as a Guard(he played Tackle his first year) and he changed last year without an off season. And the entire O line improved greatly as the year went on... some people will find any reason to hate making moves that help improve the team I just don't understand it.

Papa-pwn
03-23-2012, 08:07 PM
I would love this move

ERoyal248
03-23-2012, 08:11 PM
Doesn't sound like they will trade him

Doesn't make sense.

They have DeAngelo, Tolbert, and Goodson.

And Stewart will walk next year, i'd do a 3rd and 6th. A 2nd is tough, that's a possible franchise player.

ERoyal248
03-23-2012, 08:17 PM
What's J-Stew's contract like?

We'd most likely redo it right?

Last year on his rookie deal, if he would agree to an extension, would do it in a heartbeat.

Buckin' Bronco
03-23-2012, 08:20 PM
Just so I understand this.... Everyone wants to trade a 3rd round draft pick for a guy that already has 806 touches on his body????

Seriously???

I'll take Doug Martin.

806 carries isn't that much. Running backs have a short shelflife anyway you go. Most Backs average 250300 carries a season. He doesn't have a lot of mileage on his legs and he is a very powerful runner. He could be that back you been missing since Portis.

darklord
03-23-2012, 08:40 PM
Make it happen EFX would be a huge pickup for us

ERoyal248
03-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Incarcerated Bob ‏ @incarceratedbob

Yes.. Stewart could land in Denver (Fox is familiar and he fits the offense)

AdamSchefter
03-23-2012, 08:54 PM
Incarcerated Bob ‏ @incarceratedbob

Yes.. Stewart could land in Denver (Fox is familiar and he fits the offense)

Offense isn't similar its not foxs offense its mannings offense so you need a back that is athletic strong and decently fast . That would be Doug Martin.

shawinkerpoppin
03-23-2012, 09:02 PM
Offense isn't similar its not foxs offense its mannings offense so you need a back that is athletic strong and decently fast . That would be Doug Martin.

are you aware jonothan stewart was bigger faster and stronger than martin when he came out than martin is now?

Buckin' Bronco
03-23-2012, 09:06 PM
Offense isn't similar its not foxs offense its mannings offense so you need a back that is athletic strong and decently fast . That would be Doug Martin.

That's Stewart too. I don't see the big deal about Martin. Wilson is better in every area.

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 09:20 PM
Offense isn't similar its not foxs offense its mannings offense so you need a back that is athletic strong and decently fast . That would be Doug Martin.

It's a disgrace to schfters name when you post stuff like this.

broncolee
03-23-2012, 09:47 PM
Getting Jonathan Stewart would be great. It would even be worth giving up a 2nd round pick.

Hoserman117
03-23-2012, 09:49 PM
Offense isn't similar its not foxs offense its mannings offense so you need a back that is athletic strong and decently fast . That would be Doug Martin.

Stewart is more athletic, stronger, and faster than Doug Martin :goofy:

one5beast
03-23-2012, 09:54 PM
Offense isn't similar its not foxs offense its mannings offense so you need a back that is athletic strong and decently fast . That would be Doug Martin.

Just out of curiosity why AdamSchefter?

InElwayWeTrust
03-23-2012, 10:03 PM
You know who would actually fit the offense better than both Stewart and Martin?





Matt Forte :D

rst08tierney
03-23-2012, 10:14 PM
Forte or stewert.......do it john

bronco30
03-23-2012, 10:29 PM
well if it took just a 2nd rd pick id do it...we need 1 just as well get a proven 1 like him go get him elway...then use the other picks on deense

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 10:29 PM
I keep checking the new posts on here hoping someone says the trade has officially been made.

bronco30
03-23-2012, 10:35 PM
I keep checking the new posts on here hoping someone says the trade has officially been made.

if it happens i bet it wont be done till mid week just my guess...but if we land him cheap itll have been a great week in FA the offense been transformed...

DenverBlood
03-23-2012, 10:39 PM
if it happens i bet it wont be done till mid week just my guess...but if we land him cheap itll have been a great week in FA the offense been transformed...

Yeah man I loved Tebow but I'm tired of the team averaging so few ppg between the Tebow and Orton era.

bronco30
03-23-2012, 10:55 PM
yep no more conservative play calling crap n our red zone n 3rd down conversions should go way up...itll be great to see hope they gel quickly...

MorenoFan27
03-23-2012, 11:10 PM
ill take stewart as a 3 , he is not a top back, but could compliment Mcgahee well. tho still need a burner

.... Stewart is better than McGahee. McGahee would compliment Stewart.

japfaff
03-23-2012, 11:35 PM
I am going to buck the trend and say that I dont want him. Call me crazy but I think that the O that we are going to run is the O that KM should have been in from the beginning. I think it is perfectly suited for his game and I really think that he is going to shine. I cant say the same about Stewart or McGhee. If he can stay healthy I think that KM would be a weapon for Manning that he never has had before. Addai did really good things in that O and IMO Moreno is a better player in all areas....So I would pass

InElwayWeTrust
03-23-2012, 11:40 PM
I am going to buck the trend and say that I dont want him. Call me crazy but I think that the O that we are going to run is the O that KM should have been in from the beginning. I think it is perfectly suited for his game and I really think that he is going to shine. I cant say the same about Stewart or McGhee. If he can stay healthy I think that KM would be a weapon for Manning that he never has had before. Addai did really good things in that O and IMO Moreno is a better player in all areas....So I would pass

Are you really saying Knowshon is better than Edgerin James? :laugh:

Papa-pwn
03-23-2012, 11:57 PM
I am going to buck the trend and say that I dont want him. Call me crazy but I think that the O that we are going to run is the O that KM should have been in from the beginning. I think it is perfectly suited for his game and I really think that he is going to shine. I cant say the same about Stewart or McGhee. If he can stay healthy I think that KM would be a weapon for Manning that he never has had before. Addai did really good things in that O and IMO Moreno is a better player in all areas....So I would pass

I'd still love Stewart, but I agree with what you're saying. This offense is knowshons best chance for success in the NFL imo

Chillez
03-24-2012, 02:07 AM
Just thinking about having Stewart being a bronco makes me drool. Oh the possibilities with this offense. :goofy:

canadiansbronco
03-24-2012, 04:26 AM
I am going to buck the trend and say that I dont want him. Call me crazy but I think that the O that we are going to run is the O that KM should have been in from the beginning. I think it is perfectly suited for his game and I really think that he is going to shine. I cant say the same about Stewart or McGhee. If he can stay healthy I think that KM would be a weapon for Manning that he never has had before. Addai did really good things in that O and IMO Moreno is a better player in all areas....So I would pass

I agree about KM but i still think getting stewart would kick ass

brutledge79
03-24-2012, 06:28 AM
I think Stewart would run well in Denver, we'll probably draft a little speedster too! Is it time for Summer Camp yet??? This is the absolute most exciting off season of my life as a Bronco's Fan!

Holger_Danske
03-24-2012, 06:35 AM
I am going to buck the trend and say that I dont want him. Call me crazy but I think that the O that we are going to run is the O that KM should have been in from the beginning. I think it is perfectly suited for his game and I really think that he is going to shine. I cant say the same about Stewart or McGhee. If he can stay healthy I think that KM would be a weapon for Manning that he never has had before. Addai did really good things in that O and IMO Moreno is a better player in all areas....So I would pass

I tend to agree with you on this. I do think and have been contemplating this since Peyton signed and I was forced to think of how we would implement the run with Peyton there.
Although, if we had the cap room and weren't crimping our style for future years, and we could throw a fresh breakaway runner at them potentially at every play...that could be something special. You as well as everyone knows you can't have enough backs. They just get injured every year.
So yes, we'd have three previously injured RB's, but just think what 5#!+ fits the defense are going to have EVERY DOWN.

Snarfalicious
03-24-2012, 06:50 AM
I think the question would become what happens with our running back corps after we were to (hypothetically) trade for Jonathan Stewart.

I'd imagine the deal would be based around us agreeing to a contract extension with Stewart beforehand just to protect ourselves from trading away a decent pick for a one-and-done type of thing.

But, after we were to agree to a contract (4-5 years for about 6-8m annually), we might need to trim some of the fat in contracts on the roster. We've got to remember that we have the contract extension for Clady looming for 2013 as well.

If you look around, it's widely speculated what our cap number stands at. Some say it's 12m, others around 6m. That's not much room if it's the latter.

You could easily cut Goodman and not think twice about it (saves 4m), Tebow being traded saved either 500k or 1.2m (depending on of the Jets took over his guaranteed money this year), and then you could get a bit aggressive and try and trade DJ Williams when his appeal process is over (Saves 5m). The last option may not be a favorite of many, but he could get a solid return from a 4-3 LB needy team like the Bills (They desperately need a WLB). It's just a thought, and I haven't really given too much thought to other moves that would save some more room to add pieces that can contribute to a better team.

teetdogs
03-24-2012, 07:13 AM
I think the question would become what happens with our running back corps after we were to (hypothetically) trade for Jonathan Stewart.

I'd imagine the deal would be based around us agreeing to a contract extension with Stewart beforehand just to protect ourselves from trading away a decent pick for a one-and-done type of thing.

But, after we were to agree to a contract (4-5 years for about 6-8m annually), we might need to trim some of the fat in contracts on the roster. We've got to remember that we have the contract extension for Clady looming for 2013 as well.

If you look around, it's widely speculated what our cap number stands at. Some say it's 12m, others around 6m. That's not much room if it's the latter.

You could easily cut Goodman and not think twice about it (saves 4m), Tebow being traded saved either 500k or 1.2m (depending on of the Jets took over his guaranteed money this year), and then you could get a bit aggressive and try and trade DJ Williams when his appeal process is over (Saves 5m). The last option may not be a favorite of many, but he could get a solid return from a 4-3 LB needy team like the Bills (They desperately need a WLB). It's just a thought, and I haven't really given too much thought to other moves that would save some more room to add pieces that can contribute to a better team.

I'm fairly certain that the FO knows how much cap space they have to work with and giving contracts that are within their limitations. I would imagine that alot of players are getting lower pay this year when the cap is still at $120 million and they will get their back end money when the cap increases with the new TV deals.

The reason we brought in a new cap guru is to have him massage the numbers to get the most bang for our buck while still remaining in the clear cap wise.

Snarfalicious
03-24-2012, 07:19 AM
I'm fairly certain that the FO knows how much cap space they have to work with and giving contracts that are within their limitations. I would imagine that alot of players are getting lower pay this year when the cap is still at $120 million and they will get their back end money when the cap increases with the new TV deals.

The reason we brought in a new cap guru is to have him massage the numbers to get the most bang for our buck while still remaining in the clear cap wise.

Oh yeah I totally agree they know what they are doing. But I think it will also require some maneuvering which is why I brought up some potential moves that aren't far from realistic.

From everything I hear, Mike Sullivan (salary cap guru) is an absolute genius.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-24-2012, 07:58 AM
Its pretencious to assume we wouldnt use Stewart. Edge had some monster years in Indi. The Colts just havent had very good backs as of late.

xGIHavoc
03-24-2012, 08:45 AM
Holy crap, I thought somebody revived a similar thread from last year. Then I remembered it was DeAngelo Williams, or was it both? This would be a great signing. :o

kingelway7
03-24-2012, 09:20 AM
Its pretencious to assume we wouldnt use Stewart. Edge had some monster years in Indi. The Colts just havent had very good backs as of late.

I'm pretty sure that Elway expressed to Manning that in this stage of his career, you need a solid run game to go along with the passing game of you wanna win the Super Bowl. You can't rely on the passing game as heavily as what Manning has done throughout his career and expect for that to win you a Super Bowl.

Mr. Panther
03-24-2012, 09:40 AM
I really just don't see the panthers trading Stewart unless the other team gets screwed.

ERoyal248
03-24-2012, 09:41 AM
I really just don't see the panthers trading Stewart unless the other team gets screwed.

So keep him, and let him walk, then get nothing in return for him, that sounds much better. :paper:

ramanboy33
03-24-2012, 10:25 AM
So keep him, and let him walk, then get nothing in return for him, that sounds much better. :paper:

At worst, the Panthers are probably looking at a 3rd round compensatory pick for Stewart leaving in free agency next year.

Atwnbroncfan
03-24-2012, 10:28 AM
I really just don't see the panthers trading Stewart unless the other team gets screwed.

That's what I'm thinking, or if Stewart asks for a trade. But he loves playing with williams so doubtful.

ERoyal248
03-24-2012, 10:46 AM
At worst, the Panthers are probably looking at a 3rd round compensatory pick for Stewart leaving in free agency next year.

That all depends what FA's the Panthers sign next year.

CanDB
03-24-2012, 10:53 AM
I'd love Stewart!!!

I also believe Manning, like he does, can maximize the value of Moreno. Third downs would be extremely hard for opponents to defend with all those weapons on the field (incl. Knowshon)............so dang hard!!!

:logo:

LarryDean
03-24-2012, 11:15 AM
I'd love Stewart!!!

I also believe Manning, like he does, can maximize the value of Moreno. Third downs would be extremely hard for opponents to defend with all those weapons on the field (incl. Knowshon)............so dang hard!!!

:logo:

Man Dave been waiting for you to post seemingly forever it made a bad day a little better ... Happy you're here :salute:

Ohenhen12345
03-24-2012, 11:24 AM
Depends on the price for Stewart. The most i would give up would be Moreno and a 4th round pick.

LightningRodBob
03-24-2012, 11:42 AM
At worst, the Panthers are probably looking at a 3rd round compensatory pick for Stewart leaving in free agency next year.

Well, according to Incarcerated Bob, we have already offered our 3rd + a late round pick. And there are 4 other teams who have expressed interest (including the Pats).

CanDB
03-24-2012, 11:50 AM
Man Dave been waiting for you to post seemingly forever it made a bad day a little better ... Happy you're here :salute:

you are a good pal!

CPs when I have the power.

BF_forever
03-24-2012, 11:51 AM
Why do people still listen to incarceratedbob? All he does is make a bunch of predictions then when ones right he thumps his chest about it. He doesnt have any connections.

Papa-pwn
03-24-2012, 12:06 PM
Why do people still listen to incarceratedbob? All he does is make a bunch of predictions then when ones right he thumps his chest about it. He doesnt have any connections.

Why? Because you're wrong, that why. He is rarely wrong when it comes to the NFL. He does have connections, and you are jealous.

BF_forever
03-24-2012, 12:23 PM
Why? Because you're wrong, that why. He is rarely wrong when it comes to the NFL. He does have connections, and you are jealous.

Last season he was wrong quite a bit. Maybe he gained some actual connections through his self promotion and he is better this year but I doubt it.

http://nfldraftmonsters.com/news/is-incarceratedbob-a-complete-fraud/

Mr. Panther
03-24-2012, 01:08 PM
So keep him, and let him walk, then get nothing in return for him, that sounds much better. :paper:

By signing Tolbert they have a contingency plan. They would also get a compensatory pick if Stewart walked.

I'm not really trusting all the hoopla. They usually don't trade players unless they are disgruntled or they're going to cut them but there is some kind of value for them.

Chris Harris and Ken Lucas are two examples.

Stewart isn't disgruntled and they definately don't want to cut him. So I don't see them trading him. Unless it's for a higher pick or another defensive player.

Papa-pwn
03-24-2012, 01:40 PM
Last season he was wrong quite a bit. Maybe he gained some actual connections through his self promotion and he is better this year but I doubt it.

http://nfldraftmonsters.com/news/is-incarceratedbob-a-complete-fraud/

Is that link supposed to mean anything to me? You support your argument against a random guy on the Internet, using another random guy on the internet's opinion?

IBN got one major signing wrong last year, and that was Asomougha. He was 18 for 20 total. So far this year he has only missed on Lofton and Nelson. He is 13 for 15.

What people rag on him for is he reports the small things. Like teams having interest, or teams in trade talks. No mainstream media will report those things because they are hardly concrete and stand a high likelihood of falling through. Bob reports them all the same though, and I like that. I like to know the little semantics. I like to know we've offered a 3rd for Stewart, I like to know we got Manning the night before all the mainstream media could confirm it. I like to know the Jets wanted Tebow before anyone had reported it.

I've followed Bob for 2 years and his reporting has hardly led me astray, but whatever man, to each their own.

jonathanrivers
03-24-2012, 01:48 PM
I really just don't see the panthers trading Stewart unless the other team gets screwed.

Why? You don't need 4 (and 3 well-paid) running backs in the spread offense.

jbones733
03-24-2012, 03:59 PM
By signing Tolbert they have a contingency plan. They would also get a compensatory pick if Stewart walked.

I'm not really trusting all the hoopla. They usually don't trade players unless they are disgruntled or they're going to cut them but there is some kind of value for them.

Chris Harris and Ken Lucas are two examples.

Stewart isn't disgruntled and they definately don't want to cut him. So I don't see them trading him. Unless it's for a higher pick or another defensive player.


Makes perfect sense, they signed deangelo long term, scooped up Tolbert And are going to lose him as a FA in a year

On top of that they barely use him And its the Cam show, why not shop him and land a 3 which is extremely useful

Holger_Danske
03-24-2012, 04:06 PM
I'm pretty sure that Elway expressed to Manning that in this stage of his career, you need a solid run game to go along with the passing game of you wanna win the Super Bowl. You can't rely on the passing game as heavily as what Manning has done throughout his career and expect for that to win you a Super Bowl.

It is certain that John knows this already and probably told Manning that as he lived it for real before Manning was even drafted.

underrated29
03-24-2012, 04:19 PM
Is that link supposed to mean anything to me? You support your argument against a random guy on the Internet, using another random guy on the internet's opinion?

IBN got one major signing wrong last year, and that was Asomougha. He was 18 for 20 total. So far this year he has only missed on Lofton and Nelson. He is 13 for 15.

What people rag on him for is he reports the small things. Like teams having interest, or teams in trade talks. No mainstream media will report those things because they are hardly concrete and stand a high likelihood of falling through. Bob reports them all the same though, and I like that. I like to know the little semantics. I like to know we've offered a 3rd for Stewart, I like to know we got Manning the night before all the mainstream media could confirm it. I like to know the Jets wanted Tebow before anyone had reported it.

I've followed Bob for 2 years and his reporting has hardly led me astray, but whatever man, to each their own.




Sorry, not correct. He missed on Mario Williams this year! He said Mario was going to us or the raiders or nines I believe.....Mario went to buffalo

yaz96
03-24-2012, 05:16 PM
Sorry, not correct. He missed on Mario Williams this year! He said Mario was going to us or the raiders or nines I believe.....Mario went to buffalo

Nope, he said Buffalo.he's only missed two so far this year.

Papa-pwn
03-24-2012, 05:59 PM
Sorry, not correct. He missed on Mario Williams this year! He said Mario was going to us or the raiders or nines I believe.....Mario went to buffalo

No he said Buffalo like a week in advance..

itswutz4dinna
03-24-2012, 06:10 PM
No he said Buffalo like a week in advance..

I think he also said Denver like a week before FA started though. If it wasn't Williams it was SOMEBODY to Denver that he got wrong, and it wasn't Manning.

But as far as Stewart, I'd do it for a 4th but no more.

Mr. Panther
03-24-2012, 06:54 PM
They'll land a 3 just by losing Stewart as a FA.To trade a RB in his prime they will ask a price that would probably piss off broncos fans if they pulled it off.

Mr. Panther
03-24-2012, 06:54 PM
Also they don't really have 4 great running backs goodson barely exists Rivera doesn't seem to like him.

MHSalute
03-24-2012, 06:57 PM
They'll land a 3 just by losing Stewart as a FA.To trade a RB in his prime they will ask a price that would probably piss off broncos fans if they pulled it off.

They only get the comp pick IF they do not sign a comparable FA. Not an automatic thing, and that pick would be in 2014.

teutonic7777
03-24-2012, 08:05 PM
I think Stewart would be worth a 2nd and and a 3rd. It would be a good trade imo.

rst08tierney
03-24-2012, 08:11 PM
this seems like a pipe dream to get stewert just like manning. Maybe we can get the same results

Sitting Down
03-24-2012, 08:22 PM
If we get Stewart....I won't be able to contain myself....

AHHHHH!!!!!

jonathanrivers
03-24-2012, 08:24 PM
Also they don't really have 4 great running backs goodson barely exists Rivera doesn't seem to like him.

I didn't say you had 4 great RB's. You just have 4 period, 3 of which are paid pretty well.

Hell, I'd take Goodson.

PioneerBroncFan
03-25-2012, 01:21 AM
cant wait for draft day with Stewart and Forte possibly being trade bait!!

Mr. Panther
03-25-2012, 07:52 AM
They only get the comp pick IF they do not sign a comparable FA. Not an automatic thing, and that pick would be in 2014.

They aren't going to sign a comparable RB when they can just pick up the option on Tolbert's contract.

It's dumb to trade away a good player without just compensation. I don't see them trading Stewart for low picks unless they are conditional. I'd rather just have him for another year than get screwed in a trade. Trading players around like shares of stock isn't very kind to them. Stewart would probably appreciate being able to choose where he wants to go.

With the salary cap going up I think they will make a strong push to keep him next year too. They aren't shy about paying drafted talent.

thuglife
03-25-2012, 08:01 AM
I think a 3rd and 6th would be a fair trade

CoryWinget81
03-25-2012, 08:03 AM
I'd give a 3rd and 4th. Offer that to the Panthers and he's ours.

LarryDean
03-25-2012, 08:07 AM
I'd give a 3rd and 4th. Offer that to the Panthers and he's ours.

If its the perceived need that we're all guessing it to be then I would be ok with a 2nd round pick for him but only because the 3 RB's David Wilson,Doug Martin,Lamar Miller I think the Broncos could draft will be off the board by the 2nd pick..Stewart would be the starter and I think the RB's in draft would split carries with McGahee and McGahee as the starter and getting the majority of the rock ...

rst08tierney
03-25-2012, 08:40 AM
cant wait for draft day with Stewart and Forte possibly being trade bait!!

Hopefully these guys get delt before

itswutz4dinna
03-25-2012, 03:00 PM
No more than a 4th. He's a running back not a Pro Bowl safety.

DenverBlood
03-25-2012, 03:03 PM
No more than a 4th. He's a running back not a Pro Bowl safety.

You are kidding yourself if you think he can be had with no higher than a 4th. That's just crazy talk. Bare minimum 3rd plus a later pick or a 2nd.

itswutz4dinna
03-25-2012, 03:43 PM
MAYBE a 3rd. But Broncos fans of all people should realize the value of running backs. Especially after Henry and Moreno. The guy has maybe four good years left. I'd rather just roll with McGahee and Moreno/Super Mario and then get a Chris Rainey in the 4th as a Sproles type. We haven't had a guy like Rainey probably ever.

DenverBlood
03-25-2012, 04:21 PM
MAYBE a 3rd. But Broncos fans of all people should realize the value of running backs. Especially after Henry and Moreno. The guy has maybe four good years left. I'd rather just roll with McGahee and Moreno/Super Mario and then get a Chris Rainey in the 4th as a Sproles type. We haven't had a guy like Rainey probably ever.

You do realize 4 years puts him at 29 right? McGhee just had a 1200 yard season at 31.