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Broncoholic3233
05-16-2012, 12:45 PM
Let me start off by saying, I can't stand Mark Kiszla. However, this article is spot on.


On a 10-point scale, with 1 being lower than the Rockies' lowly standing in the National League, what's your confidence level in general manager Dan O'Dowd ever getting Colorado back to the World Series?

This team is a joke.

O'Dowd built it.

Any talk among frustrated Rockies fans of trading center fielder Dexter Fowler or dumping pitching coach Bob Apodaca or firing manager Jim Tracy avoids the real issue.

Although frustrated, O'Dowd insists his directionless team doesn't need to make changes, because that's not the way the Rockies do business.

What else did you expect O'Dowd to say?

Because if the Rockies significantly want to change the way they do business, the one change that would make sense is the removal of O'Dowd.

His ballclub is on its way to missing the playoffs for the 11th time in 13 seasons since O'Dowd became the general manager. Heading into a game against San Francisco on Tuesday night, the Rockies' record since Sept. 15, 2010, was 90-123, worse than even the bungling Chicago Cubs during the same time span.
O'Dowd has turned the Rockies into lovable losers. LoDo is Wrigleyville West. Good party. Bad baseball.
So maybe that's the real way baseball business is done in Colorado. The Rockies know they can draw 2 million fans to Coors Field simply by turning on the sunshine. O'Dowd has fooled most of the people most of the time since he landed this gig late in the 1999 season.

Carmelo Anthony was declared a bum for averaging 25 points per game for the Nuggets, and Josh McDaniels was quickly run out of town for driving the Broncos into the ditch. But, summer after summer, O'Dowd gets a free pass. Do unlimited rides at Elitch Gardens come with that?

We'll gladly give full credit to O'Dowd for Rocktober and the surprise appearance at the 2007 World Series, so long as he acknowledges squandering the magic.

What's the next trick up his sleeve? O'Dowd has tried blaming Clint Hurdle, dumped as manager. O'Dowd constructed a pitching staff around Ubaldo Jimenez, only to suffer through an ugly divorce. More times than not, Generation R proved to be rejects. While Jamie Moyer has been an inspirational story, a scuffling ballclub with a 49-year-old pitcher in the starting rotation speaks loudly to the lack of talent developed by the farm system.

The first weeks of this season have been exactly as franchise owner **** Monfort recently described it: Holding on, waiting for reinforcements.

While Colorado is in deep soup, it's too early to flush all hope. Maybe Christian Friedrich, a first-round draft pick by O'Dowd, can re-energize the starting rotation. The statistics of Carlos Gonzalez project to an MVP-caliber season of a .301 batting average with 33 home runs, 133 RBIs and 29 stolen bases. While trying to hold on until injured Jorge De La Rosa can return as staff ace and prospect Nolan Arenado is ready to take over at third base, what's the real worth of a resilient clubhouse culture the franchise worked so hard to establish?

It's not all the fault of O'Dowd. I scream, you scream, we all scream for Troy Tulowitzki every time he steps to the plate, but no matter how you analyze the metrics or how much you love the shortstop, Tulo has stunk. Michael Cuddyer has been solid, but not $10 million per year spectacular. Who could have anticipated Jeremy Guthrie would hop on his bike and turn his debut season with the Rockies into a remake of "Pee-wee's Big Adventure"?

O'Dowd can't hit or pitch for the Rockies. But the guys failing at the ballpark? They are his guys.

This is not a call for O'Dowd's immediate dismissal, which would be met with deaf ears from the Monfort brothers, even if the denizens of the Rockpile chanted it.

But rather than scapegoating Fowler or pink-slipping the pitching coach, the rest of this Rockies season needs to be a referendum on O'Dowd.

If Colorado can't be among the teams contending for a spot in the expanded baseball playoffs come September, then it will be time for the Rockies to say goodbye to O'Dowd and try fresh ideas in the front office.

Let's ban the talk about patience and the process at Coors Field. Enough already. Todd Helton isn't getting any younger. We aren't either. If O'Dowd can't find a way to win with CarGo and Tulo, find us a general manager who can.

http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_20632368/kiszla-its-time-rockies-dan-odowd-produce-winner


It really is spot on, and quite depressing.

Only thing I don't really agree with in that article is, saying Cuddyer hasn't been worth his contract. He's put up pretty damn good numbers. He's been in somewhat of a slump recently, and he's made me made constantly striking out looking, but I'm sure he'll come out of it. Hell, last night he had some nice AB's.

Bronco51
05-16-2012, 12:56 PM
O'Dowd produced a winner......in 2007. For some odd reason that has bought him a ton of good faith from the Monforts. It's like "Hey I did it once with a miraculous run to the WS with homegrown talent, who's to say I can't do it again?" And they fall for it every season. This is a AAA team right now. No discipline, a manager that feels he is untouchable so he doesn't feel the need to spark the underachievers. And since we have all of these "good for the locker room culture" guys, none of them are going to have a closed door meeting and yell at people to get their heads out of their rears. It's sad. ANd what makes me angrier is that at the Winter Warmup O'Dowd basically said we will not be good unless our guys have career years. He knows he fielded a dud this year but again feels secure enough in his position that he won't make drastic moves or spend any money. As long as the stadium is being filled, why would they change? I predicted a 79-83 season, but it is still hard to watch and support by going to games. They seriously need to lose an epic amount of games in a row for a change. And I hate that I wouldn't mind that.

Atwnbroncfan
05-16-2012, 07:26 PM
O'Dowd hasn't produced a winner. He produced teo streaky teams. He has created one of the worst scouting departments in baseball.

DenverBlood
05-17-2012, 10:39 AM
Let me start off by saying, I can't stand Mark Kiszla. However, this article is spot on.



It really is spot on, and quite depressing.

Only thing I don't really agree with in that article is, saying Cuddyer hasn't been worth his contract. He's put up pretty damn good numbers. He's been in somewhat of a slump recently, and he's made me made constantly striking out looking, but I'm sure he'll come out of it. Hell, last night he had some nice AB's.


I don't really understand how you can sit there and say the article is spot on with the bashing of Tulo and then turn around and disagree with the criticism of Cuddyer.

Tulo is only more disappointing because he is a bigger name. But we are paying 2,250,000 more to Cuddyer for virtually the same exact stat line at the plate.

I'm not saying you have to lay off Tulo because he really has been struggling at the plate this year. (Which is usual for him till June anyway). I just don't see how you can say Cuddyer is putting up numbers worth his contract when he is doing no more than Tulo who you act like is getting way over paid.

Honestly though I would like to see Cuddyer come up to the 5 spot in the lineup. I feel like we don't do a very good job of protecting our 4 slot with Helton having a very very below average year in the 5 spot. With Tulo struggling and teams having no reason to fear the next guy they can afford to pitch around Tulo and take their chances on a walk.

Better yet if you feel Cargo has earned the clean up spot I can't argue with that. Move Tulo to the 3, Cargo to 4 and protect both with Cuddy at 5. Tulo should see better pitches while Cargo would still see just as good of pitches as he sees now and is hitting much better anyway.

Anyways sorry for the rant. I agree with pretty much all the rest of the article. Like I said I never had a big love affair with Moyer. But the fact that he has earned the 2 slot and is having a better year than most of the rotation just indicates how poor our pitching is. Not how great Moyer is doing.

The Experience
05-17-2012, 10:43 AM
O'Dowd should have been gone 8 years ago....

BroncoFanBoy
05-17-2012, 10:54 AM
We will never win a world series with O'Dowd. I agree that "you can build through the farm system", but that only works if you draft well enough. We've had many top 10 picks, and only one player has played well in the MLB. (Tulowitzki)

We need to draft better. That's O'Dowd's biggest problem.

Broncoholic3233
05-17-2012, 12:03 PM
I don't really understand how you can sit there and say the article is spot on with the bashing of Tulo and then turn around and disagree with the criticism of Cuddyer.

Tulo is only more disappointing because he is a bigger name. But we are paying 2,250,000 more to Cuddyer for virtually the same exact stat line at the plate.

I'm not saying you have to lay off Tulo because he really has been struggling at the plate this year. (Which is usual for him till June anyway). I just don't see how you can say Cuddyer is putting up numbers worth his contract when he is doing no more than Tulo who you act like is getting way over paid.

Honestly though I would like to see Cuddyer come up to the 5 spot in the lineup. I feel like we don't do a very good job of protecting our 4 slot with Helton having a very very below average year in the 5 spot. With Tulo struggling and teams having no reason to fear the next guy they can afford to pitch around Tulo and take their chances on a walk.

Better yet if you feel Cargo has earned the clean up spot I can't argue with that. Move Tulo to the 3, Cargo to 4 and protect both with Cuddy at 5. Tulo should see better pitches while Cargo would still see just as good of pitches as he sees now and is hitting much better anyway.

Anyways sorry for the rant. I agree with pretty much all the rest of the article. Like I said I never had a big love affair with Moyer. But the fact that he has earned the 2 slot and is having a better year than most of the rotation just indicates how poor our pitching is. Not how great Moyer is doing.

This is a joke right?

Tulo has 8 errors. Cuddyer has what? 1?

Tulo has what like 14 RBIs (on my phone at the game idk exact numbers)? Cuddyer has what 23 or more RBIs?

As of a day or two ago he was also batting .20 higher than Tulo. Still might be idk.

Without Cuddyer early on being scorching. We have like 8 wins right now.

I'm not starstruck when I hear Tulo's name. He never gets criticism from more than 4/5 of the fans he's been God awful. He should be benched a lot more than he is for how bad he's been.

Cuddyer has earned it this year, and I didnt originally like what we paid him, but he's earned it so far this year. Batting 6th and has 10 more RBIs than Mr Tulo.

DenverBlood
05-17-2012, 12:17 PM
This is a joke right?

Tulo has 8 errors. Cuddyer has what? 1?

Tulo has what like 14 RBIs (on my phone at the game idk exact numbers)? Cuddyer has what 23 or more RBIs?

As of a day or two ago he was also batting .20 higher than Tulo. Still might be idk.

Without Cuddyer early on being scorching. We have like 8 wins right now.

I'm not starstruck when I hear Tulo's name. He never gets criticism from more than 4/5 of the fans he's been God awful. He should be benched a lot more than he is for how bad he's been.

Cuddyer has earned it this year, and I didnt originally like what we paid him, but he's earned it so far this year. Batting 6th and has 10 more RBIs than Mr Tulo.


No sir it is not a joke. The only joke is you using stats from days ago. They have the exact same batting average and Tulo has a higher OBP. But whatever. It's pointless discussing it with you when your mind is made up.

Tulo is tied with the second highest batting average on the team. If you want him benched then pretty much everyone else but Cargo should be benched.

Broncoholic3233
05-17-2012, 12:29 PM
No sir it is not a joke. The only joke is you using stats from days ago. They have the exact same batting average and Tulo has a higher OBP. But whatever. It's pointless discussing it with you when your mind is made up.

Tulo is tied with the second highest batting average on the team. If you want him benched then pretty much everyone else but Cargo should be benched.

You don't even watch the games so there is no point in arguing with you.

Way to ignore everything in my post besides BA. LOL

Typically fan letting Tulo off of the hook. He's supposed to be our best player and best SS in the league. Has he ever heard of consistency?

DenverBlood
05-17-2012, 12:32 PM
You don't even watch the games so there is no point in arguing with you.

Way to ignore everything in my post besides BA. LOL

Typically fan letting Tulo off of the hook. He's supposed to be our best player and best SS in the league. Has he ever heard of consistency?


Lol two ignorant things by you. One you act like you can't know anything about a team based on stats and seeing a few games. You don't have to watch every single game to get a good feel for how things are going.

2. You talk about me ignoring what you posted. I didn't ignore anything you posted. All I stated was that you were wrong about the batting average. But you completely ignored my original post about acknowledging that Tulo has struggled this year. But when Cuddy is making 2 million more with largely the same stats you can't argue that he is worth the money.

Broncoholic3233
05-17-2012, 01:12 PM
I'm not gonna keep arguing it.

But when Dexter a player who was benched and is notoriously ripped by fans has more RBIs out of the 8 spot than Tulo does hitting cleanup and Tulo has 8 errors he shouldn't be invincible to Tracy and the fans.

He is. There is no arguing that.

Atwnbroncfan
05-17-2012, 01:52 PM
In regards to Tulo we all know he plays like crap until about mid to late June. Always been a late bloomer.

Interesting stat is we lead the league in RISP. This team sucks right now. Our pitching is starting to stablize, and we get DLR back in a month or so. Im starting to get the feeling we are going to go on a pretty substantial run this summer. I don't think we make the playoffs, but I think we will only be a few games back.