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Spitfire Riggz
05-18-2012, 12:14 AM
Who should be the starter? Why? Should we even keep both? Discuss!

InElwayWeTrust
05-18-2012, 12:39 AM
1. Who should be the starter? Danilo Gallinari

2. Why? He is the overall better player. They are both young, but IMO Gallo has more potential, and he handles and passes the ball really well for how tall he is. Before his injury he was our best scorer, and I think he will continue that next year as long as he stays healthy.

3. Should we keep both? Yes, I would keep both, it allows us to mix and match our lineup while always keeping a good SF on the floor at all times. I wouldn't trade either UNLESS we were able to package one of them with a couple other players to get a great player. Of course in that case I would trade one and keep the other, but that isn't likely. So I say keep both.

Spitfire Riggz
05-18-2012, 12:46 AM
Interesting.... that gets me thinking. If we were to package one of them up to trade for a great player, what position would it be at?

I feel like we have a rising star at PG in TL and like you said at SF Danillo would be our best scorer. Javale seems like he can become unstoppable at times and we all love our new PF Manimal. I guess that leaves Afflalo but I like him hes such a hard worker.

Sorry de-railing my own thread =P, well not really we are discussing the "keep both?" question!

Cyrend
05-18-2012, 10:28 AM
I like Wilson Chandler more. Gallo makes me crazy when he drives for the rim and contorts his body in all sorts of ways to try and get the foul called, and if not he lobs up some stupid attempt to really sell it..and don't even get me started on his absolutely stupidly horrendous game 4 flop against the Lakers.

If I were the GM going into this season, I would say everyone is tradeable save for Lawson. I like these young pieces, but I feel if we are going to go anywhere in the playoffs, we need at least an established All Star. Thier inconsistency kills us in the playoffs/

Broncoholic3233
05-18-2012, 11:30 AM
I like Wilson Chandler more. Gallo makes me crazy when he drives for the rim and contorts his body in all sorts of ways to try and get the foul called, and if not he lobs up some stupid attempt to really sell it..and don't even get me started on his absolutely stupidly horrendous game 4 flop against the Lakers.

If I were the GM going into this season, I would say everyone is tradeable save for Lawson. I like these young pieces, but I feel if we are going to go anywhere in the playoffs, we need at least an established All Star. Thier inconsistency kills us in the playoffs/

So you are punishing Gallo because of a flop? Uh.....news flash......that is what the NBA is now.....and in part why the NBA sucks.

He scores points. Who cares if he drives in the lane and gets fouled. He gets to the line and he hits a high percentage of his free throws. He can shoot too. He's a good defender too.

Chandler on the other hand is more of an unproven. I love Chandler and think he would've made the difference in the Lakers series no doubt, but I'm not sure he's better than Gallo. He seems like a 6th man to me. He has a great shot and has good on the ball defense. But once again, he is unproven.

I think Chandler will be treated like JR was for us. Play a heavy amount of minutes off of the bench, and definitely be in a lot in the 4th quarter.

They are both gonna have legitimate shots at being all-stars, imo.

Cyrend
05-26-2012, 12:27 AM
So you are punishing Gallo because of a flop? Uh.....news flash......that is what the NBA is now.....and in part why the NBA sucks.

He scores points. Who cares if he drives in the lane and gets fouled. He gets to the line and he hits a high percentage of his free throws. He can shoot too. He's a good defender too.

Chandler on the other hand is more of an unproven. I love Chandler and think he would've made the difference in the Lakers series no doubt, but I'm not sure he's better than Gallo. He seems like a 6th man to me. He has a great shot and has good on the ball defense. But once again, he is unproven.

I think Chandler will be treated like JR was for us. Play a heavy amount of minutes off of the bench, and definitely be in a lot in the 4th quarter.

They are both gonna have legitimate shots at being all-stars, imo.

No, you misunderstand me. My problem with him is that he drives looking to get fouled rather than looking to score( other coaches/analysts have commented about this exact thing so it's not just my sole opinion) But that's what bugs me. If he wasn't such a good foul shooter, he probably wouldn't try it. But he plays to his strengths of being a great shooter at the line, so more power to him.

And I wouldn't say that's "what the NBA is now". Major flopping is still in the minority among players in the league. There are a few players who really, really oversell it (mostly European players), and I personally think Gallo is one of them. But even though it's part of the game, there is a time and place for it. Game 4 with a minute to go in a one score game is not the time to roll around on the floor (when you clearly are going to get no call, I might add), leaving your team to play 4 on 5 in the most critical part of the game. I don't care who it is. If I had seen any other player just give up on the play like that, I'd be pissed at them too.

But that's my beef with Gallo. It's almost like he's trying to rely on the refs to bail him out, but he has no reason to be needing to. He plays good defense. He has a good, if not very inconsistent, outside shot. He drives to the rim well. He can handle and pass the ball almost like a PG. He's got all these skills, and yet he can't put it together. He's got all these individual skills, but he seems to think he needs to help from the refs to complete his game.

Chandler I see as a more dynamic player, but they are very similar. He's got a good reputation for defense, but it's something Nuggets fans have seen on and off. He can be explosive going to the rim. He's got a nice outside shot, but inconsistent like Gallo. I think his main strength is that he is a very good iso player, and one of the few on the team who can really create their own shot. That's what I like about Chandler, and as a team moving forward looking for a guy to be clutch in the crunch time, I can see him in that role.

johnlimburg
05-26-2012, 12:47 AM
I would keep both. However if there was a trade oppurtunity then I would not be angry if we moved one of them. I agree with BH3233. Chandler seems like a 6th man. I hope he is that next year and we can move Al Harrington. Use him in a package to get a player or move up in the draft or something like that.

However I have a feeling we stick with the team we have. I hope not but I think we will. Lawson and Mcgee will be back on bigger money. Then Miller will probably be back also. I think Rudy will leave so that means we have the same team as last season pretty much.

beastlyskronk
05-26-2012, 01:12 AM
Gallo does flop too much, and it isn't even the flopping that necessarily bothers me, it's that he does it so much on offense where generally you won't get it called unless you're a star player or it's an obvious foul. What really annoys me when he does flop though is that I feel like he's missing out on genuine 3 point plays because he wants to sell the foul. Ideally we'll keep both of them and I'd love to see them both play with the game on the line in the 4th quarter with Chandler at the 3 and Gallo at the 4 and probably McGee in at C. This way we'll be able to spread the court and have 2 forwards on the court that can create their own shot and knock down and open shot.

But as for who should start, it should definitely be Gallo. Gallo is a better scorer and he's just as good on defense imo. I actually don't think Gallo is as good of a 3 point shooter as we thought, but I do think he's money a few feet inside the 3 point line, I'd love to see him step in and take more of those, at least until he gets his 3 point shot to be consistent. I'd also love to see Gallo start to develop a post game, he should really study Dirk Nowitzki and start to emulate him because Gallo can do everything he can do.

the0rangecrush
05-26-2012, 01:37 AM
Was talking with a magic fan the other day, and they said they would do a Javale, Miller, Gallo, Koufas trade for Howard and Duhon. I would be all for that trade amd then take Mike Scott in the draft, hes a tough gritty defender with the ability to score.

johnlimburg
05-26-2012, 01:46 AM
Was talking with a magic fan the other day, and they said they would do a Javale, Miller, Gallo, Koufas trade for Howard and Duhon. I would be all for that trade amd then take Mike Scott in the draft, hes a tough gritty defender with the ability to score.

It would take more then that IMO. Not more players but better quality. And if Howard agreed to a long term extension then that would be great and we could make a serious run at him. More like Afflalo, Harrington, Mcgee and a first round pick or something like that.

The Experience
05-26-2012, 11:25 AM
Sorry fellas there is no way we get Howard without giving up Ty Lawson

12and4
05-26-2012, 12:21 PM
imo, afflalo and ty lawson are untradeable... I just dont see it happening.

the0rangecrush
05-26-2012, 12:59 PM
It would take more then that IMO. Not more players but better quality. And if Howard agreed to a long term extension then that would be great and we could make a serious run at him. More like Afflalo, Harrington, Mcgee and a first round pick or something like that.

Although I like AAA, I'd do that trade all day. However, Upon further talks the magic are looking to clear cap space. They have been trying to unload Turkalu's contract for quite sometime. Basically any deal involving howard will involve him as well IMO. Right now they have 3 pieces Anderson, Big Baby, and Nelson. They have very little depth and are an older team.

the0rangecrush
05-26-2012, 01:02 PM
Sorry fellas there is no way we get Howard without giving up Ty Lawson

Disagree he is our team no way we do that, plus he doesnt fit the magics scheme very well. They are a slow tempo team. Plus the magic are very high on Jameer Nelson

The Experience
05-26-2012, 01:57 PM
Disagree he is our team no way we do that, plus he doesnt fit the magics scheme very well. They are a slow tempo team. Plus the magic are very high on Jameer Nelson

I never said we would do it, I'm just saying that there is no way we get Howard and keep Ty.

Plus they have no scheme right now because they have no coach so I would fully expect they would want Ty.

Broncoholic3233
05-26-2012, 02:01 PM
imo, afflalo and ty lawson are untradeable... I just dont see it happening.

Yup. Rightfully so.

I'd be shocked of we traded either of them. Our main leader and potential superstar. Not gonna happen.

the0rangecrush
05-26-2012, 02:38 PM
I never said we would do it, I'm just saying that there is no way we get Howard and keep Ty.

Plus they have no scheme right now because they have no coach so I would fully expect they would want Ty.

They could go tge complete opposite, and build with the team they have which is anti Ty. If they want to keep Howard they have to go that route. That said thanks to Melo he proved you dont trade away all your talent for one guy. IMO Howard is not a guy you build around, hes a guy you add to another star. You can build around Ty

the0rangecrush
05-26-2012, 02:42 PM
Yup. Rightfully so.

I'd be shocked of we traded either of them. Our main leader and potential superstar. Not gonna happen.

Agreed on Ty, but you can give up AAA for a player of Howards quality you do it.

johnlimburg
05-26-2012, 05:21 PM
Although I like AAA, I'd do that trade all day. However, Upon further talks the magic are looking to clear cap space. They have been trying to unload Turkalu's contract for quite sometime. Basically any deal involving howard will involve him as well IMO. Right now they have 3 pieces Anderson, Big Baby, and Nelson. They have very little depth and are an older team.

Well you wouldn't do it then. Just say that Howard said if we traded for him he would sign an extension. Well you would only take him in exchange for a mixture of our current pieces which would be Afflalo, Gallo, Chandler, Harrington, Mcgee, 1st round pick.

On the topic of trading Ty Lawson well you don't do that. He is the player on our team which could potentially be a superstar. He is the only untradable on the team really. And no way you include him in a package deal with other good players as Ty Lawson alone in a trade could net us some real quality players. And if they asked for Lawson you would just say no.

On Afflalo being our main leader what is there to suggest that. It is so clearly Al Harrington. He is the one always speaking in the huddle. He seems to be the leader of the team. However that is no reason not to trade a guy if you can upgrade the talent on the team.

Broncoholic3233
05-26-2012, 05:35 PM
Agreed on Ty, but you can give up AAA for a player of Howards quality you do it.

That's a contradiction though. D Howard is better than Ty so therefore, you can give him up for a player of Howard's quality.

But that's not even the point. We won't trade either of them. It's extremely doubtful. My whole point. Those are the last two players I could see being traded for anyone. George LOVES them both. Can't see. Doubt we will see it.

the0rangecrush
05-26-2012, 05:41 PM
That's a contradiction though. D Howard is better than Ty so therefore, you can give him up for a player of Howard's quality.

But that's not even the point. We won't trade either of them. It's extremely doubtful. My whole point. Those are the last two players I could see being traded for anyone. George LOVES them both. Can't see. Doubt we will see it.

Better Yes, but harder to build around. He is a defensive presence however Magic fans have noted the offense is a lot more potent with him not there, dwight clogs the paint creating a lot of congestion there. Ty makes everyone better on both ends. You dont send an entire team for a guy that you dont build around.

johnlimburg
05-26-2012, 05:42 PM
That's a contradiction though. D Howard is better than Ty so therefore, you can give him up for a player of Howard's quality.

But that's not even the point. We won't trade either of them. It's extremely doubtful. My whole point. Those are the last two players I could see being traded for anyone. George LOVES them both. Can't see. Doubt we will see it.

However you would say Ty Lawson is much more influencial to this teams success then anyone else and it makes little sense to move him even for a high quality player like Howard. However with the rest of the guys that are being discussed as potential trade bait you can't say the same.

And Nene seemed to be loved by the Nuggets. However he was traded when we all said it would not happen despite everyone wanting it. So I think if they feel they can make the team better they will do it.

the0rangecrush
05-26-2012, 05:43 PM
Well you wouldn't do it then. Just say that Howard said if we traded for him he would sign an extension. Well you would only take him in exchange for a mixture of our current pieces which would be Afflalo, Gallo, Chandler, Harrington, Mcgee, 1st round pick.

On the topic of trading Ty Lawson well you don't do that. He is the player on our team which could potentially be a superstar. He is the only untradable on the team really. And no way you include him in a package deal with other good players as Ty Lawson alone in a trade could net us some real quality players. And if they asked for Lawson you would just say no.

On Afflalo being our main leader what is there to suggest that. It is so clearly Al Harrington. He is the one always speaking in the huddle. He seems to be the leader of the team. However that is no reason not to trade a guy if you can upgrade the talent on the team.

Well the thinking would be is that we could amnesty Turks contract. The magic would do it but they just amnestied Gilbert Arenas, and have little depth there.

johnlimburg
05-26-2012, 05:48 PM
Well the thinking would be is that we could amnesty Turks contract. The magic would do it but they just amnestied Gilbert Arenas, and have little depth there.

Well that is a big move by us in itself. Therefor it would be a negative in the deal for us making what we would give up even less. That ammesty clause is a big thing to have and what I was hoping was we could sign a free agent who is a relative big name and then have the clause just in case it doesn't work out. Like Eric Gordan. Plus to do the trade with Turk we would also have to use a trade exception which is also a valuable thing to have.

johnlimburg
05-26-2012, 05:50 PM
Actually I don't think we have a trade exception anyway so that trade would not be able to be done regardless. Turk and Howards contract would not be able to traded for.

the0rangecrush
05-26-2012, 05:52 PM
Well that is a big move by us in itself. Therefor it would be a negative in the deal for us making what we would give up even less. That ammesty clause is a big thing to have and what I was hoping was we could sign a free agent who is a relative big name and then have the clause just in case it doesn't work out. Like Eric Gordan. Plus to do the trade with Turk we would also have to use a trade exception which is also a valuable thing to have.

Well any move for howard will have to be big in itself. I wouldnt mind Gordon, but where do you play him? I also hold hope Hamilton can play into the rotation. If we do make a big move it will be next year, thats when all the stars arw FA.

johnlimburg
05-26-2012, 05:58 PM
Well any move for howard will have to be big in itself. I wouldnt mind Gordon, but where do you play him? I also hold hope Hamilton can play into the rotation. If we do make a big move it will be next year, thats when all the stars arw FA.

Well I would play him at the two and try and use Afflalo with Harrington and a first round pick to try and acquire a player who has a post game. Someone like Al Jefferson. However he would have to agree to an extension also as he is off contract at the end of 2013. That would be two big time scorers in the offense to compliment Ty Lawson.

Lawson---Gordon---Gallanari---Jefferson---Mcgee
Miller----Chandler----Brewer------Faried----Mosgov

Great 10 man rotation with the 3 backups being Stone, Hamilton and Koufas. Then if we could extend Lawson this off season then great.

johnlimburg
05-26-2012, 06:02 PM
Well I would play him at the two and try and use Afflalo with Harrington and a first round pick to try and acquire a player who has a post game. Someone like Al Jefferson. However he would have to agree to an extension also as he is off contract at the end of 2013. That would be two big time scorers in the offense to compliment Ty Lawson.

Lawson---Gordon---Gallanari---Jefferson---Mcgee
Miller----Chandler----Brewer------Faried----Mosgov

Great 10 man rotation with the 3 backups being Stone, Hamilton and Koufas. Then if we could extend Lawson this off season then great.

Actually I wouldn't want Miller re-signed in that situation. Probably Rudy Fernadez to be the backup swing guy behind Gordon to play limited minutes. And then Hamilton could maybe get some minutes.