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ERoyal248
07-03-2012, 12:38 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/03/klis-says-manning-is-at-85-to-90-percent/

:salute:

Freyaka
07-03-2012, 12:47 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/03/klis-says-manning-is-at-85-to-90-percent/

:salute:

Manning at 70% is better than most QB's at 100% so if he's truely at 85-90% then heck ya!

MarkB
07-03-2012, 12:55 PM
Nice, hopefully he's right. :salute:

SKULLMAN
07-03-2012, 01:10 PM
Getting to that 85% is one thing but staying there is what worries me. After he takes his first big hit there will be a uneasy moment of silence amongst us BRONCO fans.

EvertonBroncos
07-03-2012, 01:15 PM
Great news, even room for improvement. Like Freyaka said even when he's half fit he's better than most.

THEdraftnik
07-03-2012, 01:31 PM
In 3 days time Klis will be saying Manning is looking better than ever.

Don't click the link for a guy just looking for clicks. I hate that flip flopper.

Cahill
07-03-2012, 01:42 PM
Getting to that 85% is one thing but staying there is what worries me. After he takes his first big hit there will be a uneasy moment of silence amongst us BRONCO fans.

Except that is incorrect. Doctors/Surgeons who have done the same surgery that Manning had have stated that the structural integrity of his neck will be stronger than it ever was. The main issue with Manning was whether or not his nerve would regenerate. If it didn't, he would be incapable of throwing the football with velocity and accuracy. The whole, 'Can Manning take a hit?' is nothing more than a media talking point. They have nothing else to talk about.

Buckin' Bronco
07-03-2012, 03:04 PM
Best news all day! The season is still a good 2 months away. Peyton will be gunnin' by September! :salute: Klis said it was like the Defense wasn't even there! Is that good or bad?:P

EvertonBroncos
07-03-2012, 03:37 PM
Best news all day! The season is still a good 2 months away. Peyton will be gunnin' by September! :salute: Klis said it was like the Defense wasn't even there! Is that good or bad?:P

Yikes! I suppose it doesn't matter how many points we concede as long as we score more than the other guys! :P

berlownacyo7s
07-04-2012, 04:00 PM
I don't care what Klis says about Manning, I care about what Manning says about Manning. Maybe also the coaches and training staff, but not a writer. And no, I'm not worried about Peyton one bit. He was the NFL iron man before that freak neck injury, and I don't think he's especially susceptible to re-injury now.

Freyaka
07-04-2012, 04:13 PM
Getting to that 85% is one thing but staying there is what worries me. After he takes his first big hit there will be a uneasy moment of silence amongst us BRONCO fans.

Maybe among some, most of us have seen plenty of dr's who have said that based off the way his neck is fused it is stronger than it was prior to him getting injured so we likely won't jump to conclusions...

Houshmazode
07-05-2012, 05:53 AM
It's funny how people go about proclaiming doom and gloom when they don't even have a clue about the type of neck surgeries Manning had and the reason he had them. If he takes a hard hit he'll be fine unless someone deliberately goes helmet to helmet, which normally puts any player out of the game for a little bit. The type of nerve problem he was having and his fusion is low-risk compared to other more common neck problems that nfl players have had.

*waits for japfaff's repugnant post*

Chronic_Toker
07-05-2012, 07:43 AM
The season can't get here soon enough!

Freyaka
07-06-2012, 05:56 AM
It's funny how people go about proclaiming doom and gloom when they don't even have a clue about the type of neck surgeries Manning had and the reason he had them. If he takes a hard hit he'll be fine unless someone deliberately goes helmet to helmet, which normally puts any player out of the game for a little bit. The type of nerve problem he was having and his fusion is low-risk compared to other more common neck problems that nfl players have had.

*waits for japfaff's repugnant post*

I've got several friends who are fans of rival teams, they love using the "one hit a way from retirement mantra" then I point out he's no more likely to be injured than any other player and they laugh and tell me to stop drinking the kool-aid and then I post the numerous articles talking about how his neck is stronger based on the surgery....most of them just refuse to talk about it anymore after that...

Go ahead and doom and gloom me! I am not uneducated to the situation like most around here who are boo hooing manning still.

BroncoSynapses
07-06-2012, 10:31 AM
Why will there be silence after Manning's first big hit?

Buckin' Bronco
07-06-2012, 12:56 PM
Why will there be silence after Manning's first big hit?

Because people aren't realizing the actual "injury" isn't his neck, it's the nerve being pinched which was giving him a "dead arm" so to speak in his triceps.

Here's a video guys,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XoEmCEK3Q8&feature=related

Peyton isn't in any more danger than anyone else relax and quit worrying his neck is totally fine!!!:salute:

#24 Next Champ
07-06-2012, 02:52 PM
Because people aren't realizing the actual "injury" isn't his neck, it's the nerve being pinched which was giving him a "dead arm" so to speak in his triceps.

Here's a video guys,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XoEmCEK3Q8&feature=related

Peyton isn't in any more danger than anyone else relax and quit worrying his neck is totally fine!!!:salute:

Truly amazing nobody else seems to be able to comprehend this ...including analysts...

I just laugh everytime I hear "n everyone is gna hold their breath after that first big hit" ...I won't, I know he's gonna get right back up...I'm worried about the nerve sustaining full conductivity and maintaining throughout the year and hopefully beyond ...I'm worried about his arm strength diminishing late in the year (however I'd say I'm mildly worried about it)

But a hit? First of all, Peyton doesn't take many and second of all, his neck is stronger now than it was before ...I'm not concerned about a hit anymore than I would be any other 36 yr old qb...cuz honestly that's the only thing about a hit that worries me a lil, he's 36 ...but he never missed a game due to injury before last year and he's played for a longgg time...he should be good

BANJOPICKER1
07-06-2012, 07:11 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/03/klis-says-manning-is-at-85-to-90-percent/

:salute:
Cool, now we have someone starting at QB who is 85 to 90% better than our last few QB's, we win!!!:D

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRONCOS!!!!:goz:

Denver Mike
07-07-2012, 03:34 PM
Yeah, I agree with what most people have already stated

an 85-90% Peyton Manning is still an elite echelon of QB thats better than 90% of the other active ones..

I'll take an 85% Peyton Manning over a 100% Tony Romo any day of the week

Capt. Jack
07-08-2012, 09:42 AM
Getting to that 85% is one thing but staying there is what worries me. After he takes his first big hit there will be a uneasy moment of silence amongst us BRONCO fans.

I hope he has a great season, but I wonder how many games he will actually play, till he gets pummeled. I doubt he plays the whole season.

darklord
07-08-2012, 12:16 PM
I sure hope Klis is accurate on this one cause if he is near 85 to 90% and still has 2 solid months to still rehab and get stronger before the games count that will be amazing news for us!

jonathanrivers
07-10-2012, 06:32 AM
I hope he has a great season, but I wonder how many games he will actually play, till he gets pummeled. I doubt he plays the whole season.

Have you not read anything in this thread? Sheesh.

Freyaka
07-10-2012, 04:22 PM
I hope he has a great season, but I wonder how many games he will actually play, till he gets pummeled. I doubt he plays the whole season.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/11178865-419/doctors-peyton-mannings-neck-may-be-stronger.html


But safety isn’t Manning’s issue, several spine specialists said. Arm strength is.

Manning’s surgically repaired neck will be able to take a hit just fine once the fusion is healed, with the bone actually stronger than others in his neck. Nerves are delicate, however, and only time will tell if they’ll recover enough for the 35-year-old four-time NFL MVP to be the quarterback he once was.

“His risk really is very low,” said Dr. Robert S. Bray Jr., who has worked with NHL star Sidney Crosby and whose DISC Sports & Spine Center provides medical services for the U.S. Olympic team.

“If I was a team, I’d ask, ‘Did (the fusion) heal? Do you have a CAT scan that showed it healed? Is the rest of neck in pretty good shape?’” Bray asked. “If those two answers are yes, then it gets down to, ‘OK, get out on the field and show me you can perform,’ because it will only get better from here with time.”

Manning missed the entire 2011 season with a damaged nerve that caused weakness in his right arm and required multiple neck surgeries, including a single-level fusion in September. He has brushed off questions about retirement, insisting that — after parting ways with the Indianapolis Colts on Wednesday — he still wants to play.
And there’s no risk to him doing so, say several doctors in the field who have not examined Manning. Dr. Robert Watkins, Manning’s surgeon, is not commenting on the quarterback, his office said Thursday.

Manning had at least two procedures between February 2010 and September 2011 to relieve pressure on a pinched nerve, the cause of the weakness in his throwing arm. When those didn’t work, Watkins did the fusion, removing the troublesome soft disk tissue between two vertebrae and fusing the bones together.

The fusion normally takes four to six months to heal and, much like any other broken bone, it becomes even stronger afterward. But just as someone who tries playing with a still-broken arm risks additional injury, so did Manning if he’d returned before the fusion was solid.

But Manning was “working with the best,” Bray said, and there’s no way Watkins would have allowed the quarterback to play without being certain the fusion had healed. Watkins announced Feb. 2 that he had cleared Manning to play football again.

“In the field of spine surgery and professional athletes, we have a fairly strong consensus that if you have a one-level cervical fusion, you can recover and go back and safely play,” said Dr. William Tobler, a neurosurgeon at the Mayfield Clinic in Cincinnati who has done four fusions on NFL players, including four-time Pro Bowl linebacker Chris Spielman, all of whom returned to the field.

“If the fusion heals, the neck is stable so, presumably, you can take all the hitting and impact.”

Then it’s a matter of the nerve regenerating.

“Nerves are just wires and the muscle is where the wire plugs into,” said Dr. Charles Bush-Joseph of Midwest Orthopaedics at Rush University, team doctors for the Chicago Bulls and Chicago White Sox. “Obviously he’s got all the intelligence and the skill set. It’s a matter of strength. Can he get his arm to do what his mind and eyes want him to do?”

And that takes time.

Unlike a sponge, which springs right back after someone stops pressing down on it, a nerve is more like a piece of cooked spaghetti, Tobler said. Press on it, and the indentation remains after the finger is lifted.

“It isn’t like a light switch,” Bray said. “But if you get the pressure off, then the nerve kicks in progressively over time.”

While there’s no guarantee Manning will ever fully recover, Bray said nerves tend to heal more and for a longer period of time when patients are young and healthy.

Manning said Wednesday he is not completely recovered, but insisted he’s closer than ever.

“I’m throwing it pretty well. I still have some progress to make, but I’ve come a long way,” Manning said. “That’s been the most fun part is being back out there on the field. I’m doing better, I continue to work hard and hope to continue making progress.”


This article was prior to him signing with us, this Dr and many others have repeated the same things....

I wish people would get their facts straight and quit regurgitating the Media speak machines talking points....His neck is fine, the question wasn't "can he take a hit" because he can, the question has always been will the nerves regenerate enough so he'll have enough arm strength to throw...The real question has already been answered yes they have regenerated and Manning will be fine.

Capt. Jack
07-11-2012, 06:01 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/11178865-419/doctors-peyton-mannings-neck-may-be-stronger.html



This article was prior to him signing with us, this Dr and many others have repeated the same things....

I wish people would get their facts straight and quit regurgitating the Media speak machines talking points....His neck is fine, the question wasn't "can he take a hit" because he can, the question has always been will the nerves regenerate enough so he'll have enough arm strength to throw...The real question has already been answered yes they have regenerated and Manning will be fine.
I hope so, we shall see? Better get "Hermann Munster" ready!

Capt. Jack
07-11-2012, 11:29 AM
[QUOTE=jonathanrivers;4463865]Have you not read anything in this thread? Sheesh. Sheesh what?

BroncoSexyDaddy
07-12-2012, 02:06 PM
Is Manning 100 percent video coverage




http://video.nbcsports.msnbc.com/nbc-sports/48061832

TennesseeVol
07-15-2012, 02:59 PM
I hope he has a great season, but I wonder how many games he will actually play, till he gets pummeled. I doubt he plays the whole season.

The reason someone said "Sheesh" to your post is there is no reason to suggest that he won't be able to play the whole season. None, nadda, zip, zero. Repaired neck is stronger than every other quarterback out there, nerve is improving daily. We're talking about a man that played 13 seasons and only missed only one snap, when his jaw got broken on a helmet to helmet hit. One snap, not a series, not a game. He played the rest of the season with a broken jaw. And you don't think he'll last this season?
Come on man, get real. The facts are against you.

Capt. Jack
07-15-2012, 03:05 PM
The reason someone said "Sheesh" to your post is there is no reason to suggest that he won't be able to play the whole season. None, nadda, zip, zero. Repaired neck is stronger than every other quarterback out there, nerve is improving daily. We're talking about a man that played 13 seasons and only missed only one snap, when his jaw got broken on a helmet to helmet hit. One snap, not a series, not a game. He played the rest of the season with a broken jaw. And you don't think he'll last this season?
Come on man, get real. The facts are against you.

Uh. Okay! I'm sorry, you are totally right! Thank you so much, it was just my opinion,which I think I am entitled to? I doubt he will make it through the season.

Remedy
07-15-2012, 03:11 PM
Uh. Okay! I'm sorry, you are totally right! Thank you so much, it was just my opinion,which I think I am entitled to? I doubt he will make it through the season.

On what factual basis do you feel he wont make it through the season? From everything i've read he is 100% healthy in regards to his neck and has the go ahead. He is no more at risk then any other player in the league.

Capt. Jack
07-15-2012, 03:18 PM
On what factual basis do you feel he wont make it through the season? From everything i've read he is 100% healthy in regards to his neck and has the go ahead. He is no more at risk then any other player in the league.

Excellent! I hope he wins multiple MVP awards here! It was just my opinion, and I apologized. Again very,very, sorry!

Remedy
07-15-2012, 03:22 PM
Excellent! I hope he wins multiple MVP awards here! It was just my opinion, and I apologized. Again very,very, sorry!

Not asking for an apology.. not saying you are wrong.. just asking for the sake of conversation... as that is the purpose of the forums.

Capt. Jack
07-15-2012, 03:28 PM
Not asking for an apology.. not saying you are wrong.. just asking for the sake of conversation... as that is the purpose of the forums.

I hope we can protect him, Because I think teams like the Raiders, Chargers,etc., Are going to come after him. I think they would love to take him out! All within the rules of the game of course. :)

JakeNbake
07-15-2012, 03:29 PM
I hope we can protect him, Because I think teams like the Raiders, Chargers,etc., Are going to come after him. I think they would love to take him out! All within the rules of the game of course. :)

I hope not.. because that'll be like BOUNTY GATE!

Capt. Jack
07-15-2012, 03:32 PM
I think thats Football?

JakeNbake
07-15-2012, 03:34 PM
I think thats Football?
Bounty Gate is football?

Capt. Jack
07-15-2012, 03:37 PM
Bounty Gate is football?. No, pummeling the other guy?

JakeNbake
07-15-2012, 03:38 PM
. No, pummeling the other guy?

Indeed I think all players try to tackle the opposing QB's.

But IDK...

TennesseeVol
07-15-2012, 06:22 PM
I hope we can protect him, Because I think teams like the Raiders, Chargers,etc., Are going to come after him. I think they would love to take him out! All within the rules of the game of course. :)

Wanting to take Peyton out of the game is not something that some genius just figured out. They've been trying to do that his whole career. It's not something that just occurred to them now that he's a Bronco. And like I said in another post, Peyton went to the Colts, a team with worst OL and the league leading sacks allowed (65 or so) the previous year and with the same OL (with one personnel change) in his rookie year went to 40 less sacks than the year before. Not so much because of OL improvement, but because even as a rookie, Peyton knew how to avoid getting sacked. I suspect that other teams will be no more successful at getting to Peyton now than they ever were before. Blitzing him is almost always a big mistake, for the defense, that is. He knows where the hole in the defense is and that's where the ball is going to go. If you can't get to him in about 3 seconds with or without blitzing, then forget it; the ball is gone anyway.

Capt. Jack
07-16-2012, 06:16 AM
Wanting to take Peyton out of the game is not something that some genius just figured out. They've been trying to do that his whole career. It's not something that just occurred to them now that he's a Bronco. And like I said in another post, Peyton went to the Colts, a team with worst OL and the league leading sacks allowed (65 or so) the previous year and with the same OL (with one personnel change) in his rookie year went to 40 less sacks than the year before. Not so much because of OL improvement, but because even as a rookie, Peyton knew how to avoid getting sacked. I suspect that other teams will be no more successful at getting to Peyton now than they ever were before. Blitzing him is almost always a big mistake, for the defense, that is. He knows where the hole in the defense is and that's where the ball is going to go. If you can't get to him in about 3 seconds with or without blitzing, then forget it; the ball is gone anyway.

I am not really interested in your opinion, it seems a bit long winded. JMHO!

jonathanrivers
07-16-2012, 08:52 AM
I am not really interested in your opinion, it seems a bit long winded. JMHO!

It's bascially the same thing that has been said but people have continually ignored.

1) Peyton's never had a good O-line
2) Peyton's never been sacked much
3) There's no reason to expect Peyton to be hit more this year than he has in the past. If anything, he'll be hit less.

I'm sure it won't be but a few hours before someone will come along and express their concern with Peyton's "neck injury."

Freyaka
07-17-2012, 05:59 AM
It's bascially the same thing that has been said but people have continually ignored.

1) Peyton's never had a good O-line
2) Peyton's never been sacked much
3) There's no reason to expect Peyton to be hit more this year than he has in the past. If anything, he'll be hit less.

I'm sure it won't be but a few hours before someone will come along and express their concern with Peyton's "neck injury."

People would rather listen to ESPN talking about it non-stop that do some research and realize that his "neck injury" and possibility of reinjury is not even a factor...The only issue was the nerves and would they regenerate and the answer is yes, they have. He's throwing good and everything looks great. He'll be ready to go game one and we're in for an exciting season.

-Rod-
07-24-2012, 02:34 PM
This recent article is related to Peyton Manning and his performance so far:

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/broncos-new-safety-mike-adams-manning-almost-isnt-human/


The Broncos start Training Camp in two days, and veteran safety Mike Adams, a new member of the team and the guest on the show, can’t wait. Adams was only able to pick off new quarterback Peyton Manning one time during minicamp. He hopes to ramp that number up significantly during Training Camp.

“As long as he keeps throwing them to me, I’ve got no problem with it,” Adams joked.

Adams, 31, is in his ninth year in the league and has been impressed with the Broncos organization since he signed here in the offseason. The league veteran has played with the Cleveland Browns and San Francisco 49ers, and now he gets to play in Denver’s defensive backfield with someone he used to idolize — Champ Bailey.

“I told Champ I had his poster in college,” Adams said. “When he was with the Redskins I was a huge fan.”

Adams said he and Bailey were impressed on many occasions during minicamp as they lined up to defend against passes by Manning, a four-time NFL MVP. At one point Adams and Bailey were both covering Eric Decker and they came off the field shaking their heads about how perfectly Manning’s pass came in to the receiver.

“I’m looking at Champ and I’m like ‘What happened?’ ” Adams said.

Manning’s work ethic and intensity level at practice definitely has had an effect on everyone, Adams said.

“Everyone has to step their game up. It boosts everybody’s confidence and playing level because his mindset — the way he thinks and the way he sees the game — it’s different. He’s not human … I don’t think he’s human,” Adams said.

Remedy
07-24-2012, 02:39 PM
Adams said he and Bailey were impressed on many occasions during minicamp as they lined up to defend against passes by Manning, a four-time NFL MVP. At one point Adams and Bailey were both covering Eric Decker and they came off the field shaking their heads about how perfectly Manning’s pass came in to the receiver.

“I’m looking at Champ and I’m like ‘What happened?’ ” Adams said.


The mental image of that in my head is hilarious. hahaha

OrangeCrush_304
07-24-2012, 02:57 PM
That's probably for the best... Because if Peyton was at a full 100% then it just wouldn't be fair for the rest of the league. Have to keep it a level playing field. :goz: