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ReleaseTheBeast7
11-17-2004, 09:12 PM
Who deserves a trip to the national championship this year?


I say Auburn, they have been playing consistent, and imo- they are a better team that Oklahoma. It would be nice to see Cardel(Cadillac) Williams graduating with a national championship on his hands too... What do you guys think?

rcsodak
11-17-2004, 09:42 PM
Here ya go, ECB.......something to chew on.
I posted this on the BCS thread also.
But just in case ya'll missed it.
Just thought those of you that don't think OU deserves the #2 spot, that this might interest you.


A Comparison of the BCS Top Three - TALE OF THE TAPE


Oklahoma USC Auburn
Overall Record for 2004 Season

10-0 10-0 10-0
Overall Conference Record for 2004 Season
7-0 Big 12 7-0 Pac 10 7-0 SEC
Opponents' Combined Records
57-43 (.518) 48-50 (.490) 45-49 (.479)* (includes I-AA Citadel)
Schedule Strength
(BCS Formula)
14 36 21
Games vs. Ranked Opponents
^ 3 2 3
^ All of these rankings are from the time the game was played. If moving to the current poll, Oklahoma goes up to four with the addition of Bowling Green and USC goes up to three with the addition of Virginia Tech.


Road/Neutral Games vs. Ranked Opponents
3 0 1
Opponents with Winning Records
5 3 3
Combined Record of Conference Opponents
41-29 (.585) 32-37 (.463) 34-36 (.485)
Conference Opponents Played With Losing Record
2 4 4
Conference Schools Ranked Among Top 25
4 3 4
Conference Schools Ranked Among Top 5
2 2 1

The BCS Computers
Oklahoma USC Auburn
Anderson & Hester No. 1 No. 2 No. 3
Billingsley No. 1 No. 2 No. 3
Colley Matrix No. 1 No. 2 No. 3
Wolfe No. 1 No. 2 No. 3
Massey No. 2 No. 1 No. 3
Sagarin No. 2 No. 1 No. 6

Road Wins
Opponent Opponent Rank Opponent Home Record
Oklahoma vs. Texas (12-0) 5/5 Neutral Site
Kansas State (31-21) NR 3-3
Okla. State (38-35) 20/20 3-2
Texas A&M (42-35) 22/22 4-1

USC
Virginia Tech (24-13) NR Nuetral Site
BYU (42-10) NR 3-3
Stanford (31-28) NR 3-3
Wash. State (38-0) NR 1-3
Oregon State (28-20) NR 2-2

Auburn
Miss. State (43-14) NR 3-3
Tennessee (34-10) 10/8 4-2
Ole Miss (35-14) NR 2-3


Big 12 Top 5 Pac 10 Top 5 SEC Top 5
Oklahoma (10-0) USC (10-0) Auburn (10-0)
Texas (9-1) California (8-1) Georgia (8-2)
Texas A&M (7-3) Arizona State (8-2) LSU (7-2)
Oklahoma State (7-3) UCLA (6-4) Tennessee (7-2)
Texas Tech (6-4) Two at 5-5 Three at (6-4)


Big 12 Bottom 5 Pac 10 Bottom 5 SEC Bottom 5
Nebraska (5-5) Two at (5-5) Arkansas (4-5)
Missouri (4-5) Stanford (4-6) Miss. St. (3-6)
Kansas State (4-6) Washing St. (4-6) Ole Miss (3-6)
Kansas (3-7) Arizona (2-8) Kentucky (2-8)
Baylor (3-7) Vanderbilt (2-8)

So all the nuts and bolts point to NOT whether OU deserves to be #2, but whether they shouldn't be #1.

Jared
11-17-2004, 09:44 PM
Who deserves a trip to the national championship this year?


I say Auburn, they have been playing consistent, and imo- they are a better team that Oklahoma. It would be nice to see Cardel(Cadillac) Williams graduating with a national championship on his hands too... What do you guys think?

Oklahoma is not a bad team. And although their opponents W-L record is better than Auburn's, They have struggles in some, which in the BCS formula, matters.

Auburn might, arguably, be playing the best fotball right now. WE ned a tourney!!!!!

Anyway, I think Auburn, by a hair, because they are playing well at the right time, and they haven't really had a close one yet.


In a somewhat related question(s), lets say either Auburn or OU loses (or both) in their conference championship games.

I assume Cal would then move up to 2, but do you move Utah up to 3 or 4? Where do you put Texas? They lost to OU. They always say its better to lose earlier than later. That would mean a Cal-USC re-match, which would be kind of anti-climactic. Cal is capable of beating USC. So if the other 3 winners of the BCS Bowls are all now at one loss, , then who is number 1? What if Utah ends up the only undefeated team?

Booher
11-17-2004, 10:46 PM
Auburn.........

rcsodak
11-17-2004, 10:47 PM
Oklahoma is not a bad team. And although their opponents W-L record is better than Auburn's, They have struggles in some, which in the BCS formula, matters.

Auburn might, arguably, be playing the best fotball right now. WE ned a tourney!!!!!

Anyway, I think Auburn, by a hair, because they are playing well at the right time, and they haven't really had a close one yet.


In a somewhat related question(s), lets say either Auburn or OU loses (or both) in their conference championship games.

I assume Cal would then move up to 2, but do you move Utah up to 3 or 4? Where do you put Texas? They lost to OU. They always say its better to lose earlier than later. That would mean a Cal-USC re-match, which would be kind of anti-climactic. Cal is capable of beating USC. So if the other 3 winners of the BCS Bowls are all now at one loss, , then who is number 1? What if Utah ends up the only undefeated team?

I honestly don't see OU losing, Jared.
Last year, I was concerned, and rightly so. But this year, they have a two pronged attack on offense. Not too many teams can stop both.
I think OU and Auburn are the two best teams. The only reason USC is #1 is because of last year's co-championship. Not saying that's a bad thing, but I've seen them a couple of times this year, and ALL of the OU games, and quite frankly, they're NOT deserving of #1. But I guess until they lose......

It'll be interesting if there ends up being two undefeated teams AGAIN. I think the days of the BCS getting 'bailed out' is fast approaching an end.
They need to come up with a differnt plan.
It'd be easy to say for the last two teams standing to play each other, (as I suggested last year - on SB weekend), but what if there happens to be three left?

NJBRONCOSFAN
11-18-2004, 06:33 AM
I honestly don't see OU losing, Jared.
Last year, I was concerned, and rightly so. But this year, they have a two pronged attack on offense. Not too many teams can stop both.
I think OU and Auburn are the two best teams. The only reason USC is #1 is because of last year's co-championship. Not saying that's a bad thing, but I've seen them a couple of times this year, and ALL of the OU games, and quite frankly, they're NOT deserving of #1. But I guess until they lose......

True, i've seen USC play a few times, and they've played much closer games than Okla. or Auburn.
Personally, I think Auburn is the best team, playing the best football, I believe they've only lost one game by less than 18, and that was to a top 10 team (at least at the time of the match-up.

They arguably have one of the best set of running backs in a long time.
I know you point out that USC is ranked one because they won it last year, etc. but I think more people should be questioning not who USC should play...auburn or oklahoma....rather, should USC even play in this game

Seto
11-18-2004, 03:21 PM
Who deserves a trip to the national championship this year?


I say Auburn, they have been playing consistent, and imo- they are a better team that Oklahoma. It would be nice to see Cardel(Cadillac) Williams graduating with a national championship on his hands too... What do you guys think?

I say all of the above, with the lowly Southern Cal Trojens neing left out.

But then they would get the AP to feel sorry for them agian, and get half the NC

Auburn still hasnt gone undefeated yet, so how can you right now say thet diserve it. Same with USC. Oklahoma is the only team with onny Baylor left on there scedual.

let the season play out and see who is left undefeated (look, Wis. just lost last week)

Indy_Rules27
12-01-2004, 11:13 AM
Last time we played the Eagles we beat the crap out of them.....

Seto
12-01-2004, 02:20 PM
Last time we played the Eagles we beat the crap out of them.....

are you by any chance drunk, high, or mentaly retarded?