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Broncoholic3233
02-05-2013, 04:07 PM
Well, the trade deadline is coming up, and our name is being thrown around a lot.

Mainly Timo....but other players too.

Here are a few trades that ESPN writers have come up with regarding us:

Garnett to the Nuggets for JaVale McGee


Gasol to the Nuggets for Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and Anthony Randolph


J.J. Redick to the Nuggets for Corey Brewer, Timofey Mozgov and New York's 2014 first-round pick

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130204/nba-best-deals-top-trade-targets


1) Eh.

2) LOL. I'd lose all respect for this FO.

3) As much as a love Brewer and Timo....I really, really want JJ....

beastlyskronk
02-05-2013, 04:33 PM
I think all of them would be horrible trades for us. The 3rd one seems to make the most sense, but Brewer is a terrific bench player. He gives us speed with our 2nd unit that we really don't have. With no one to push up the court it'll be harder for Redick to get open looks in transition. And we struggle in our half court offense so I don't see him getting a lot of open looks there either. Also Brewer gives us a lot more length defensively, plus he's a better defender.

I'd love to have Redick though, but not at the cost of Brewer. I could see Mozgov, a pick, and maybe Stone, Randolph, or even Hamilton being thrown in for Redick. Redick is a great free throw shooter and we need more of those. He's a great 3 pt shooter too and there's always a need for that.

Broncoholic3233
02-05-2013, 04:35 PM
I think all of them would be horrible trades for us. The 3rd one seems to make the most sense, but Brewer is a terrific bench player. He gives us speed with our 2nd unit that we really don't have. With no one to push up the court it'll be harder for Redick to get open looks in transition. And we struggle in our half court offense so I don't see him getting a lot of open looks there either. Also Brewer gives us a lot more length defensively, plus he's a better defender.

I'd love to have Redick though, but not at the cost of Brewer. I could see Mozgov, a pick, and maybe Stone, Randolph, or even Hamilton being thrown in for Redick. Redick is a great free throw shooter and we need more of those. He's a great 3 pt shooter too and there's always a need for that.
Yeah. I'm torn.

I definitely hate the first two.

I love Brewer...he's a beast off the bench. I would be upset, but not terribly upset.

If they'd do the first round pick, Timo and Hamilton...that'd be sweet.

58_VONDOOM_92
02-05-2013, 04:46 PM
Wow I hope none of those rumors come true especially the gasol one.

As much as I love Redick I think Brewer would be more important to this team.

Broncoholic3233
02-05-2013, 04:50 PM
Wow I hope none of those rumors come true especially the gasol one.

As much as I love Redick I think Brewer would be more important to this team.

It's hard to say. I love Brew, and it would tough to give him up...but JJ would finally give us that bonafide 3 point shooter for in the clutch.

Brewer is great on defense and can run the court crazy good. But, his shot is not consistent.

I don't want that trade to happen...but I won't be crazy upset or anything.

I hope they'd take a combo of other players though like throw in Hamilton and Stone with Timo and the 1st.


The other two trades are terribly stupid.

58_VONDOOM_92
02-05-2013, 04:55 PM
It's hard to say. I love Brew, and it would tough to give him up...but JJ would finally give us that bonafide 3 point shooter for in the clutch.

Brewer is great on defense and can run the court crazy good. But, his shot is not consistent.

I don't want that trade to happen...but I won't be crazy upset or anything.

I hope they'd take a combo of other players though like throw in Hamilton and Stone with Timo and the 1st.


The other two trades are terribly stupid.

Yeah I would do a Hamilton and a 1st for a shooter like Redick.

Then we could put Gallo on one side and Redick on the other and it would open up the floor a whole lot more for Lawson

The Experience
02-05-2013, 05:21 PM
It's hard to say. I love Brew, and it would tough to give him up...but JJ would finally give us that bonafide 3 point shooter for in the clutch.

Brewer is great on defense and can run the court crazy good. But, his shot is not consistent.

I don't want that trade to happen...but I won't be crazy upset or anything.

I hope they'd take a combo of other players though like throw in Hamilton and Stone with Timo and the 1st.


The other two trades are terribly stupid.


The Gasol trade is for sure, but I get the other one, though I am not in favor of it.

Let's face it, Garnett even at this point in his career is much better than McGee, Koufos or Moz. He would really help this team. Plus McGee has been very underwhelming this year, if you have a chance to unload that contract then it is worth looking into. Still would rather hang on to Javale and see what he's got, but I understand the trade idea.


We need to make the deal that I have been saying we should make all year. Miami needs a center, we need a 3 ball shooter. Trade Moz for James Jones straight up, Reddick is not worth what we would be giving up for him.

Broncoholic3233
02-05-2013, 05:29 PM
They have birdman now, and james jones can do nothing else, or else they'd be playing him.

He has shot 35% from 3 and JJ has shot 40% this year on a lot more attempts. JJ has also shot 45% from the field on a lot more attempts compared to Jones 36%.

I'll take JJ, even though we'd have to give up more.

Broncoholic3233
02-05-2013, 05:33 PM
As for the Garnett trade...it comes down to this...would he make us a legit championship contender. Would we win a championship with him?

I'm not so sure...we're a good team...but even adding him...could we get past the Thunder, Spurs, Heat, Bulls, etc... in 7?

Probably not, so I'll keep the young guy in McGee and his crazy potential.

58_VONDOOM_92
02-05-2013, 05:37 PM
JJ is one of the best shooters out there. Definitely JJ over James Jones.

58_VONDOOM_92
02-05-2013, 05:41 PM
As for the Garnett trade...it comes down to this...would he make us a legit championship contender. Would we win a championship with him?

I'm not so sure...we're a good team...but even adding him...could we get past the Thunder, Spurs, Heat, Bulls, etc... in 7?

Probably not, so I'll keep the young guy in McGee and his crazy potential.

The thing I do like about Garnett is his experience and his scrappiness but we will be trading a very young with high potential center for a player that probably wont be playing much longer

Atwnbroncfan
02-05-2013, 05:50 PM
Well, the trade deadline is coming up, and our name is being thrown around a lot.

Mainly Timo....but other players too.

Here are a few trades that ESPN writers have come up with regarding us:

Garnett to the Nuggets for JaVale McGee


Gasol to the Nuggets for Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and Anthony Randolph


J.J. Redick to the Nuggets for Corey Brewer, Timofey Mozgov and New York's 2014 first-round pick

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130204/nba-best-deals-top-trade-targets


1) Eh.

2) LOL. I'd lose all respect for this FO.

3) As much as a love Brewer and Timo....I really, really want JJ....


1. no

2. HELL NO

3. Maybe but losing Brewer would be a punch in the gut to me. Id much rather lose Iggy. But on the flip side maybe that would force Karl to play Hamilton. I love Hamitlon.

The Experience
02-05-2013, 05:57 PM
They have birdman now, and james jones can do nothing else, or else they'd be playing him.

He has shot 35% from 3 and JJ has shot 40% this year on a lot more attempts. JJ has also shot 45% from the field on a lot more attempts compared to Jones 36%.

I'll take JJ, even though we'd have to give up more.

Of course I'd rather have JJ than Jones. But I don't wanna part with Brew or that draft choice. Jones would be the cheaper option and he is a career 40% from 3.

Birdman freaking sucks.... Moz would be much better for them.

Broncoholic3233
02-05-2013, 06:03 PM
Idk, I heard he's playing decent for them. I haven't watched him though..so i can't say for sure. Just what I've heard.

Houshmazode
02-05-2013, 09:32 PM
The first 2 are ridiculously hilarious. or hilariously ridiculous.

I think I'd do number 3, but we'd definitely miss Brewer. I'm not sure how that would work out. How is Reddick as a defender?

Broncoholic3233
02-05-2013, 09:33 PM
Brew saw this thread and was like "NO!"

I'd be so conflicted trading him. Let's just hope they take Hamilton ;)

58_VONDOOM_92
02-05-2013, 09:55 PM
Brew saw this thread and was like "NO!"

I'd be so conflicted trading him. Let's just hope they take Hamilton ;)

I honestly will be shocked if they trade Brew it seams like this FO and Karl likes him too much

beastlyskronk
02-05-2013, 10:02 PM
Trading for Garnett would ruin our season. Garnett would break down by the time the postseason came around. The only way we trade for Garnett would be to improve our half court offense but we'd still be a running team and Garnett can't keep up for the rest of the season. Garnett has been able to prolong his career in Boston because they're strictly a half court team and even then he's been hurt quite a bit. The only way we'll trade for him is if it's for picks and our players that don't play at all.

beastlyskronk
02-05-2013, 10:04 PM
1. no

2. HELL NO

3. Maybe but losing Brewer would be a punch in the gut to me. Id much rather lose Iggy. But on the flip side maybe that would force Karl to play Hamilton. I love Hamitlon.

If Hamilton could get consistent with his free throws he could find a way on the court.

johnlimburg
02-06-2013, 02:24 AM
Garnett to the Nuggets for JaVale McGee

I would have no problem moving JaVale Mcgee and his monster over priced contract for another young good guy. However not a guy of Garnetts age. He is better then Mcgee however I just don't like the move. JaVale Mcgee does have potential however when will he ever begin to live up to it. It is taking far to long with to little improvment.


Gasol to the Nuggets for Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and Anthony Randolph

If something like this happened I would be so disapointed. It obviously wont happen but it is horrible. Gasol would be a nice addition. I have bung on about the need for a low post game forever now. He could bring that. However no way for Gallanari who is much more of an impact player, much younger and overall just more valuable. And Mosgov and Randolph are good to have on the end of the bench also.


J.J. Redick to the Nuggets for Corey Brewer, Timofey Mozgov and New York's 2014 first-round pick

For Corey Brewer and Timofey Mosgov then I would be neutral on the trade. However he is going to be a free agent and the problem is that Reddick wants to be paid more then he is worth. That is why he is potential trade bait. However the Nuggets front office love to overpay players so it wouldn't suprise me if they trade for him and then overpay him.

MY TRADE IDEA:

I went on about this last off-season. I wanted Al Jefferson. I wanted to give up the players we gave up for Andre Iguodala. Now we should give up something else to go and get Jefferson. He would add to our low post game. He can also step back and hit the jump shot. This threat would bring bigs out of the paint creating more space for the guards to drive. The Nuggets were interested in him a few years ago when he was traded from the Timberwolves to the Jazz. He has been on the trade block a lot in the last 2 seasons and I am sure the Nuggets could get him if they wanted to.

The guy is maybe one of the most underrated players in the league. He is averaging 17.1 points per game at 47% along with 9.5 rebounds. He is only 28 years old but is off contract at the end of the season. If we couldn't trade for him then I would be all for trying to dump Mcgee's contract and offering that money to Jefferson.

58_VONDOOM_92
02-06-2013, 04:26 PM
Gasol out 6-8 weeks cause of a foot injury. Well there goes that trade option thank god!

Cyrend
02-07-2013, 10:22 PM
Trading for JJ would be nice, but I'd be weary about his contact being up at the end of the season and him walking. Still, a bonefide 3pt deadeye would really help this team

Broncoholic3233
02-19-2013, 07:07 PM
3. J.J. Redick to the Denver Nuggets
Denver Nuggets receive: J.J. Redick. Orlando Magic receive: Timofey Mozgov, 2016 Knicks first-round pick. The deal in Trade Machine.

Look around the league, and it's hard to find a team that couldn't use a player like Redick, who is shooting and dishing (five assists per 36 minutes) like a lesser version of Stephen Curry this season. But the Denver Nuggets stand out because they rank sixth-worst in 3-point percentage and have a massive $13 million trade exception from the Nene trade last season.

After a hot start, Corey Brewer has shot a putrid 23 percent from downtown since Jan. 1, which wouldn't be so bad if he didn't think he was Steve Kerr out there. Brewer is probably more suited to be a defensive specialist than a "3-and-D" player, and Redick would give the Nuggets the spacing they desperately need.

The Magic won't give up Redick for nothing, which is why the Nuggets could toss in the 2016 first-rounder from the Knicks along with a serviceable young big in Mozgov, who probably deserves more PT than he's gotten in Denver. Such a deal would -- and let's be honest -- allow the Magic to chase a top-three pick in next season's draft and net another pick down the line. Redick makes much more sense for a contender; otherwise, his talents will be wasted on a basement-dwelling team.


YES PLEASE :D

BroncNuggsRocks
02-19-2013, 07:11 PM
3. J.J. Redick to the Denver Nuggets
Denver Nuggets receive: J.J. Redick. Orlando Magic receive: Timofey Mozgov, 2016 Knicks first-round pick. The deal in Trade Machine.

Look around the league, and it's hard to find a team that couldn't use a player like Redick, who is shooting and dishing (five assists per 36 minutes) like a lesser version of Stephen Curry this season. But the Denver Nuggets stand out because they rank sixth-worst in 3-point percentage and have a massive $13 million trade exception from the Nene trade last season.

After a hot start, Corey Brewer has shot a putrid 23 percent from downtown since Jan. 1, which wouldn't be so bad if he didn't think he was Steve Kerr out there. Brewer is probably more suited to be a defensive specialist than a "3-and-D" player, and Redick would give the Nuggets the spacing they desperately need.

The Magic won't give up Redick for nothing, which is why the Nuggets could toss in the 2016 first-rounder from the Knicks along with a serviceable young big in Mozgov, who probably deserves more PT than he's gotten in Denver. Such a deal would -- and let's be honest -- allow the Magic to chase a top-three pick in next season's draft and net another pick down the line. Redick makes much more sense for a contender; otherwise, his talents will be wasted on a basement-dwelling team.


YES PLEASE :D


http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?220508-Game-55-Celtics-Nuggets&p=4663823#post4663823


:P

Broncoholic3233
02-19-2013, 07:14 PM
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?220508-Game-55-Celtics-Nuggets&p=4663823#post4663823


:P

Is that the trade thread? Is it? Hmmm? IS IT?!?!?!? YOU ANSWER ME!!!!!!!

BroncNuggsRocks
02-19-2013, 07:19 PM
better than bumping an 11 day old thread

Broncoholic3233
02-19-2013, 07:22 PM
better than bumping an 11 day old thread

You are wrong. Trade deadline discussion is relevant until the trade deadline.

Kthnx.

BluenOrnge4Life
02-19-2013, 07:32 PM
Get. Reddick. Please.

That is all.

58_VONDOOM_92
02-19-2013, 09:18 PM
Make it happen Masai! We need Redick in a Denver uniform!

Broncoholic3233
02-20-2013, 05:14 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Charlotte discussed Gerald Henderson for Timofey Mozgov (Denver) and J.J. Hickson (Portland) but talks gained no traction, sources tell Y!

58_VONDOOM_92
02-20-2013, 05:17 PM
Gerald Henderson another former Duke player so wouldn't mind that

Broncoholic3233
02-20-2013, 05:20 PM
he was an idiot and left early should've stayed and developed, i think he would've had a better nba career so far if he did that

beastlyskronk
02-20-2013, 05:25 PM
Hickson can veto any trade so there was no way he'd accept a trade sending him to the Bobcats. If he came here though, I don't think he'd mind as he could really improve our team and make us a strong contender.

58_VONDOOM_92
02-21-2013, 02:20 PM
Darnit Redick traded to bucks

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 03:21 PM
No trades will be made by the Nuggets obviously.

However, I am getting sick of Ujiri saying, "this team isn't a contender". Even if we aren't, why say it? That gives your team no hope at all. C'mon Masai...use your brain...he's just trying to have a fallback if we don't go far...

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 03:24 PM
No trades will be made by the Nuggets obviously.

However, I am getting sick of Ujiri saying, "this team isn't a contender". Even if we aren't, why say it? That gives your team no hope at all. C'mon Masai...use your brain...he's just trying to have a fallback if we don't go far...

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 04:09 PM
I for one am glad that we didn't make any trades. This team has a ton of potential, the talent just needs to develop. I would like to see us keep trying to resign our talent while building through the draft. I'm not sure what is in Iggy's future but I just didn't see us getting proper value for our assets. I understand why people wanted Reddick, however I did not want us to give us guys like Brewer or Mozgov or the 1st rounder acquired from the knicks. Not for Reddick at least.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 04:12 PM
I'm not mad at all. I would've liked Reddick, but oh well.

A late round 1st doesn't get you much typically and we refuse to play Mozzy, so I wouldn't have minded that trade.

However, that was really the only trade I was a bit interested in.

I like Brewer too much to trade him....and trading Gallo or Chandler would be down right moronic.

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 04:18 PM
I understand and agree to an extent but having Moz gives us versatility in the playoffs going big (Yes, even though we have Anthony Randolph, but they are just a different kind of big). I also think the combination of 2 1st round picks could net us a valuable pick up.
Chandler - #23 overall
Koufos - #23 overall
Lawson - #18 overall
McGee - #18 overall
Faried - #22 overall
Hamilton - #26 overall
Evan Fournier - #20 overall

If we hit, which is a toss up, then we would have more assets to give us more flexibility next trade period.

Atwnbroncfan
02-21-2013, 04:25 PM
Standing pat at the deadline this year was probably the right move

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 04:25 PM
I love Mozzy. I want him to start, but they like what they see from KK more I guess.

KK has improved a great deal this year, I don't have much of a problem with him anymore...but Mozzy is just a crazy big, big. I want him in there developing. But...they just don't play him enough.

johnlimburg
02-21-2013, 04:28 PM
I too am happy we didn't make any moves. JJ Reddick would be great to have but he wants to be paid more then he deserves. And I doubt we could afford him when the off-season rolled around. Plus he would probably walk away anyway.

And I think we need Mosgov. He may come in handy in the playoffs. He isn't all that great plus he wouldn't have got us much in return. He can physically compete well against the like of Dwight Howard and Kendrick Perkins better then Mcgee and Koufas so I think it is good we kept him.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 04:42 PM
Mozgov can guard the bigger bigs much better than Kosta and McGee.

Mozgov has the best shot out of the 3.

Mozgov shoots the best from the line (which could be huge come playoff time).

He's just slow, which isn't great for a fast break/pace team. Also, he isn't very quick on his feet when defending.

So some good, some bad. More playing time could probably improve on his game, but his speed will never be good in transition like McGee.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 04:49 PM
Crazy stat:

Ty Lawson is the only player left from 2 years ago.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 04:52 PM
Mozgov can guard the bigger bigs much better than Kosta and McGee.

He fouls them way more than any good he does.

Mozgov has the best shot out of the 3.

But he has no post moves and isn't that effective at rebounding. You want your centers/large power forwards to be better inside than a mid-range shooter.

Mozgov shoots the best from the line (which could be huge come playoff time).

But he's not good enough to draw fouls on a consistent basis.

He's just slow, which isn't great for a fast break/pace team. Also, he isn't very quick on his feet when defending.

He also has a 2 inch vertical

So some good, some bad. More playing time could probably improve on his game, but his speed will never be good in transition like McGee.
I would have loved to see him go.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 04:53 PM
I would have loved to see him go.

You appear to be alone on that one.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 04:56 PM
You appear to be alone on that one.
Out of 3 other people that replied, lol.

He's as useful as Fournier on this team.

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 04:57 PM
Crazy stat:

Ty Lawson is the only player left from 2 years ago.

Yet with the departures of guys like Kenyon Martin, Chauncey Billups, Carmelo Anthony, JR Smith, and Nene we are still a consistent playoff team. Pretty awesome if you ask me especially considering the age of our roster with an average of 3.67 years of experience. Take away Iggy and Miller and it's an average of 2.62 years of experience between 13 guys or 34 years.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 04:58 PM
Out of 3 other people that replied, lol.

He's as useful as Fournier on this team.

Everyone raves about Fournier, so you're alone on that one too I'd guess.

Kid is 20 years old and they already talk about how mature he is, his basketball IQ and how good of a player he can be.

If you expected him to come in here and play huge minutes at age 20 on a team this deep, you had unrealistic expectations. Especially with GK as coach who RARELY gives rookies minutes, Faried was the rare exception.

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 04:59 PM
Faried practically forced Karls hand into playing him more minutes last year. There was no way Karl wouldn't have had to answer for it had he not with the kind of energy and hustle faried brought to the team

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 04:59 PM
Everyone raves about Fournier, so you're alone on that one too I'd guess.

That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.

I want some of what you're smoking.

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 05:00 PM
Fournier has indeed looked solid when given minutes. He still has a ton of developing to do but he is a promising future role player. Maybe more we shall see.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 05:08 PM
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.

I want some of what you're smoking.


PORTLAND, Ore. — Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier hasn't been given much playing time this season, but the 20-year-old Frenchman has a big supporter in friend and countryman Nicolas Batum of the Trail Blazers.
Before this June's draft, Batum spoke highly of Fournier to several media outlets, complementing his game and comparing his swagger to that of a young Tony Parker.


Read more: Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier has a friend in Portland's Nicolas Batum - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_22236302/nuggets-rookie-evan-fournier-has-friend-portlands-nicolas#ixzz2La7prR38



George Karl has been mad at him for not being able to be mad at him.
"He doesn't make a lot of mistakes," the Nuggets coach said of rookie Evan Fournier, "so I can't yell at him that much."
Alas, Karl hasn't been able to blow steam by yelling at the dumb rookie because, it seems, the rookie isn't dumb. Instead, the coach has gushed about the 20-year-old's "basketball IQ," explaining that, "For a young player, I think he has a brain. He feels the game, sees the game, thinks the game."


Read more: Denver Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier off to strong start - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_21909963/nba-rookie-evan-fournier-off-strong-start-denver#ixzz2La87QHr8



Fournier gave the Nuggets an immediate spark. A spirit, as Karl called it. The coach wanted to match the 76ers' small, skilled lineup in the fourth quarter, so he put in the rookie. Fournier made his first two shots and Denver cut a double-digit deficit to one. But he's still a rookie, and he showed it. Karl kept him in and Fournier proceeded to make four mistakes down the stretch. Philadelphia fed off the home crowd to separate itself in the 84-75 victory.
When Denver drafted Fournier, there was some uproar because most fans had never heard of him. He wasn't seen on Big Monday or during March Madness; he was playing in France. But he was playing with pros. And while his numbers weren't sparkling, the Denver scouts saw what Karl now sees — an intelligent, confident, backcourt talent. A blossoming talent.
Fournier likes to work. He credits Nuggets strength and conditioning coach Steve Hess for helping him improve his body strength. And he credits assistant coach John Welch for working on his jumper, making sure that elbow doesn't stick out as he releases a 3-pointer.
"Every day, he does everything he has to do to get better," Karl said. "He's a great pro already. He's a probably above-average shooter now. I think he'll be a good shooter by the end of the year, and he might be a really good shooter someday."


Read more: Denver Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier off to strong start - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_21909963/nba-rookie-evan-fournier-off-strong-start-denver#ixzz2La8HV3Q2



"Mentally he has a (high) basketball IQ — when he learns something, he doesn't make mistakes," Nuggets coach George Karl said last week about the guard. "When he learns something once, he doesn't need to be told it again. He has a mental focus. He wants to be good, and he's committed. I think he's a very interesting basketball player for us. He'll get some opportunity to play in the next couple games for us.
"He's an off guard who can probably play 1, 2, 3 in a year or so. His handle is good, but he probably looks to score first. He's creative and has the versatility to be a good playmaker."
The Nuggets are looking for outside shooting — they were 24th in the NBA in 3-pointers last season — and are looking for solid backups in the backcourt. Karl said he wouldn't be too afraid to use Fournier in regular-season games. Still, Fournier is battling with the likes of Wilson Chandler, Corey Brewer and Jordan Hamilton for playing time.


Read more: Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier plays well enough to catch attention - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_21767801/nuggets-rookie-evan-fournier-plays-well-enough-catch#ixzz2La8hd4mt


Just a couple examples. They talk about it on the broadcast too.

So...

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 05:11 PM
Read more: Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier has a friend in Portland's Nicolas Batum - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_22236302/nuggets-rookie-evan-fournier-has-friend-portlands-nicolas#ixzz2La7prR38




Read more: Denver Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier off to strong start - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_21909963/nba-rookie-evan-fournier-off-strong-start-denver#ixzz2La87QHr8





Read more: Denver Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier off to strong start - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_21909963/nba-rookie-evan-fournier-off-strong-start-denver#ixzz2La8HV3Q2




Read more: Nuggets rookie Evan Fournier plays well enough to catch attention - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_21767801/nuggets-rookie-evan-fournier-plays-well-enough-catch#ixzz2La8hd4mt


Just a couple examples. They talk about it on the broadcast too.

So...
So.... I guess you were right about Mozgov being better than Fournier. Fournier has the worst PER on the team compared to anyone else who has played more than 3 games. Never mind the fact he only plays in crap time, too. And let's just ignore all the bad passed he's made, in crap time.

Time will tell on Fournier, but what he does in crap time hasn't impressed me at all.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 05:15 PM
And Mozgov's PER is only slight better than Randolph's. Him, Randolph and Fournier are the 3 least effective players on the team unless you want to include Quincy Miller and Stone, who have played a combined 24 minutes.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 05:20 PM
So.... I guess you were right about Mozgov being better than Fournier. Fournier has the worst PER on the team compared to anyone else who has played more than 3 games. Never mind the fact he only plays in crap time, too. And let's just ignore all the bad passed he's made, in crap time.

I didn't compare Mozgov to Fournier. So, not sure where you are going with that one.

He's 20 years old, you expect him to be starting? Of course he only plays in garbage time...that's what most rookies do...especially under Karl.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 05:25 PM
And Mozgov's PER is only slight better than Randolph's. Him, Randolph and Fournier are the 3 least effective players on the team unless you want to include Quincy Miller and Stone, who have played a combined 24 minutes.

If Mozgov is so bad, why were multiple teams inquiring about him? Why would we keep him if he was worthless? You just expect him to develop without getting any playing time at all....practice and game play are very different things, FYI.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 05:26 PM
I didn't compare Mozgov to Fournier. So, not sure where you are going with that one.

He's 20 years old, you expect him to be starting? Of course he only plays in garbage time...that's what most rookies do...especially under Karl.
Faried didn't have any problem with that.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I base my opinion of players on production, not hype and whether or not they made a couple flashy plays.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 05:29 PM
Faried didn't have any problem with that.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I base my opinion of players on production, not hype and whether or not they made a couple flashy plays.

Yes, we will. I am not going to write off Fournier in his first season just because he doesn't play.

Faried was older than 20, and also had years of college ball. Also, once again, Faried was a rare exception, first rookie Karl's played in a long time.

Once again, agree to disagree.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 05:29 PM
If Mozgov is so bad, why were multiple teams inquiring about him? Why would we keep him if he was worthless? You just expect him to develop without getting any playing time at all....practice and game play are very different things, FYI.
Why would we keep him if he was worthless? Because none of the teams that were interested offered the nuggets anything worth trading for. I mean, they would have traded a seldom used player for something that they were interested in, right?

Not much value there, and there's plenty of teams in the league who are too small inside that would be inquiring about a backup center.

FYI, teaching little kids the very basic of basketball doesn't make you an expert on professional basketball.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 05:34 PM
Yes, we will. I am not going to write off Fournier in his first season just because he doesn't play.

Faried was older than 20, and also had years of college ball. Also, once again, Faried was a rare exception, first rookie Karl's played in a long time.

Once again, agree to disagree.
Fournier played professional basketball for 2 years before getting drafted by the nuggets.

Karl played Jameer Nelson and Melo also, so I guess if they were good enough to play in their rookie seasons then they would play.

JakeNbake
02-21-2013, 05:34 PM
Fournier played professional basketball for 2 years before getting drafted by the nuggets.

Karl played Jameer Nelson and Melo also, so I guess if they were good enough to play in their rookie seasons then they would play.

Fournier is cool and rocks are stinky so take that!

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 05:36 PM
Why would we keep him if he was worthless? Because none of the teams that were interested offered the nuggets anything worth trading for. I mean, they would have traded a seldom used player for something that they were interested in, right?

Not much value there, and there's plenty of teams in the league who are too small inside that would be inquiring about a backup center.

FYI, teaching little kids the very basic of basketball doesn't make you an expert on professional basketball.

Whatever you say ;)

Mozgov was inquired about by multiple teams. People don't want bad players. Ujiri likes him, Karl likes him, I'll take their word over yours.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 05:39 PM
Fournier played professional basketball for 2 years before getting drafted by the nuggets.

Karl played Jameer Nelson and Melo also, so I guess if they were good enough to play in their rookie seasons then they would play.
Yes, he did, but he is still just 20 years old.

No he did not play them as rookies.

Melo was a rookie under Jeff Bzdelik.

Jameer Nelson was a rookie for the Magic, we traded him, and he didn't play under Karl.

Nice try though.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 05:48 PM
Whatever you say ;)

Mozgov was inquired about by multiple teams. People don't want bad players. Ujiri likes him, Karl likes him, I'll take their word over yours.
Most teams don't have 3 7 footers on their team let alone 5 at 6-10 or taller.

And if Ujiri or Karl liked him so much he'd obviously play more, right? Maybe he's just a nice guy.

The T-wolves offered Brandon Roy with his terrible knees, a $5 million non-guaranteed deal and Memphis' late first round pick, which will be a lot later than Minnesota's.

That's a great offer for a really good center with an expiring contract, right?

:laugh:

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 05:52 PM
Most teams don't have 3 7 footers on their team let alone 5 at 6-10 or taller.

And if Ujiri or Karl liked him so much he'd obviously play more, right? Maybe he's just a nice guy.

The T-wolves offered Brandon Roy with his terrible knees, a $5 million non-guaranteed deal and Memphis' late first round pick, which will be a lot later than Minnesota's.

That's a great offer for a really good center with an expiring contract, right?

:laugh:

Who said he was really good? Not me.

I'll take a 1st round pick for Mozgov in a heart beat, are you kidding me? He doesn't get time here, that'd be a hell of a deal for a player we don't want. But you see...we obviously want him or we would've taken a 1st round pick for him (late round or not).

But I have not seen that trade proposition, so I don't even know if that is real or not.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 05:55 PM
Who said he was really good? Not me.

I'll take a 1st round pick for Mozgov in a heart beat, are you kidding me? He doesn't get time here, that'd be a hell of a deal for a player we don't want. But you see...we obviously want him or we would've taken a 1st round pick for him (late round or not).

But I have not seen that trade proposition, so I don't even know if that is real or not.
I'm sure you could google it, your skills there are pretty good. :P

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 05:56 PM
I'm sure you could google it, your skills there are pretty good. :P

Yes, I know how to google. Not sure where you are going with that?

Why did you ignore my post about Melo and Jameer? Because you had no idea what you were talking about, perhaps?

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 06:00 PM
Yes, I know how to google. Not sure where you are going with that?
You found it pretty easy digging up info that helped your argument.


Why did you ignore my post about Melo and Jameer? Because you had no idea what you were talking about, perhaps?

Why did you not acknowledge anything from this post?

Quote Originally Posted by Houshmazode View Post
Why would we keep him if he was worthless? Because none of the teams that were interested offered the nuggets anything worth trading for. I mean, they would have traded a seldom used player for something that they were interested in, right?

Not much value there, and there's plenty of teams in the league who are too small inside that would be inquiring about a backup center.

FYI, teaching little kids the very basic of basketball doesn't make you an expert on professional basketball.
Because you had no idea how to respond to it?

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 06:05 PM
You found it pretty easy digging up info that helped your argument.



Why did you not acknowledge anything from this post?

Because you had no idea how to respond to it?

Yes, typically you look up information...do you not? You did look up the PER, right?

I just did acknowledge that post when you posted the trade we were offered. That is a good trade for a player you claim sucks and we have no interest in at all. Seeing as though we declined that trade, we obviously like Mozgov and see value in him, or else we would've taken a 1st round pick.

Yes, I coach kids basketball. That's typically where you start coaching, right, and move your way up, even though I have no interest in becoming a full time coach, I have other career aspirations.

And yeah, you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about in terms of Karl and his rookies, or Nuggets history. You really thought Jameer played here as a Nugget?

Also, I see you realize you got burned now, thanks for the CP. ;)

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 06:21 PM
Housh, I understand you disagree and see things differently but there is no reason to be insulting, which you have been from the get go towards Broncoholic. Maybe you could better articulate your point without being so condescending? It has really set a negative tone for the rest of this thread. It's rather disappointing

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 06:25 PM
Yes, typically you look up information...do you not? You did look up the PER, right?

I just did acknowledge that post when you posted the trade we were offered. That is a good trade for a player you claim sucks and we have no interest in at all. Seeing as though we declined that trade, we obviously like Mozgov and see value in him, or else we would've taken a 1st round pick.

Yes, I coach kids basketball. That's typically where you start coaching, right, and move your way up, even though I have no interest in becoming a full time coach, I have other career aspirations.

And yeah, you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about in terms of Karl and his rookies, or Nuggets history. You really thought Jameer played here as a Nugget?

Also, I see you realize you got burned now, thanks for the CP. ;)
Yea, on that one post. At least I'm not living in denial. :)

If you didn't know about that trade, wouldn't you look it up if you heard about it and wanted to argue about it?

How many rookies has Karl had that he didn't play in their first year have turned out to be good players??

Jordan Hamilton and Julyan Stone. Hamilton plays seldomly, if he was good enough he'd be playing in a lot more games. Stone does nothing. Hamilton and Stone were hyped too.

Gary Forbes and Mozgov the year before that. Mozgov had a whole 28 pts in 24 games in the 2nd half of the season. Pretty good for the best big-man shooter on our team.

Ty Lawson played plenty in his rookie season. 65 games and 542 points. Why did you say Faried was the exception? I thought you knew so much about Nuggets history.

Sonny Weems the year before that. He plays in Russia now.

Taurean Green the year before. He was not good. Still played in a few games.

Yakhouba Diawara played in 64 games and over 1,100 minutes his rookie season and he plays in France now. France! There's another player that Karl played a lot in his rookie season and he's not even good enough to play in the league any more. Fournier's only 20 and has no chance of getting that many minutes. A guy who is hyped up and so good plays way less than a rookie Karl played way more who wasn't good enough to stay in the NBA. imagine that.

Julius Hodge was here the year before Diawara and played in a few games, and he's out of the league now.

I thought you said Faried was the only exception, what about Lawson and Diawara?? If they're good enough, Karl plays them plenty, and not in just crap time.

I didn't realize you were only a part time coach. You must be some sort of basketball genius.

I'll take production over hype any day.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 06:29 PM
Housh, I understand you disagree and see things differently but there is no reason to be insulting, which you have been from the get go towards Broncoholic. Maybe you could better articulate your point without being so condescending? It has really set a negative tone for the rest of this thread. It's rather disappointing
Broncoholic was condescending way before I was.


Everyone raves about Fournier, so you're alone on that one too I'd guess.


You just expect him to develop without getting any playing time at all....practice and game play are very different things, FYI.


And yeah, you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about in terms of Karl and his rookies, or Nuggets history.
Maybe you can read the whole discussion before accusing someone of being condescending. It's rather disappointing.

Broncoholic is pretty condescending in just about every argument he gets in.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 06:31 PM
I said we'll have to agree to disagree before I said anything remotely condescending to Broncoholic.

Please don't accuse just one person of being rude when that is not the case. We're having a pretty good argument here and I'm sure we can both handle it.

And if Broncoholic doesn't like it, he can tell me to stop and I will.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 06:41 PM
Yea, on that one post. At least I'm not living in denial. :)

If you didn't know about that trade, wouldn't you look it up if you heard about it and wanted to argue about it?

How many rookies has Karl had that he didn't play in their first year have turned out to be good players??

Jordan Hamilton and Julyan Stone. Hamilton plays seldomly, if he was good enough he'd be playing in a lot more games. Stone does nothing. Hamilton and Stone were hyped too.

Gary Forbes and Mozgov the year before that. Mozgov had a whole 28 pts in 24 games in the 2nd half of the season. Pretty good for the best big-man shooter on our team.

Ty Lawson played plenty in his rookie season. 65 games and 542 points. Why did you say Faried was the exception? I thought you knew so much about Nuggets history.

Sonny Weems the year before that. He plays in Russia now.

Taurean Green the year before. He was not good. Still played in a few games.

Yakhouba Diawara played in 64 games and over 1,100 minutes his rookie season and he plays in France now. France! There's another player that Karl played a lot in his rookie season and he's not even good enough to play in the league any more. Fournier's only 20 and has no chance of getting that many minutes. A guy who is hyped up and so good plays way less than a rookie Karl played way more who wasn't good enough to stay in the NBA. imagine that.

Julius Hodge was here the year before Diawara and played in a few games, and he's out of the league now.

I thought you said Faried was the only exception, what about Lawson and Diawara?? If they're good enough, Karl plays them plenty, and not in just crap time.

I didn't realize you were only a part time coach. You must be some sort of basketball genius.

I'll take production over hype any day.

What am I living in denial about? I know my Nuggets, and knowing Melo was not a rookie under Karl and that Jameer was never on the court for the Nuggets, is pretty basic stuff. No need for google there.

I google plenty of things, articles and stats mainly, what's wrong with that? Also, if there is something bad with it, you are being very hypocritical in the above post, majority of that came from google.

Hamilton and Stone played very seldom as rookies. Yes. Karl doesn't play rookies all that often like I've said.

Mozgov is our best shooter, once again, that's pretty common knowledge. He has the best outside shot.

Ty Lawson played an average of 8 minutes in the games he played. That is not a lot. Faried averaged 22.5 minutes in the games he played. A hell of a lot more than Lawson. So yes, I do know what I am talking about.

Sonny Weems played a total of 55 minutes his rookie year. Once again, very few minutes.

Taureen Green played 30 minutes his rookie year under Karl. Once again, very few minutes.

Yes, Diawara did play a lot his rookie season for a Karl player. He averaged 18 minutes a game, in the games he played. So, that was 2006 and Faried was 2012, so that is a 6 year gap between rookies who played "a lot".

Julius Hodge played 33 minutes his rookie year, once again, not a lot.


So, Faried played in a lockout year, with only 66 games. He averaged more minutes than any of Karls rookies, and would've played more if it was an actual 82 game season. So, Faried is the exception seeing as though he played the most per game. Diawara also an exception, played the most total, in an 82 game season though. But, Faried averaged more minutes in the games he played.

Lawson only averaged 8 minutes a game, that is not a lot.

So Faried and Diawara. 2 players, in 7 years played decent/good minutes under Karl as a rookie.

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 06:43 PM
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.

I want some of what you're smoking.

He said you appeared to be alone on not wanting moz or fournier and you are. You are the only poster I have seen vocally hate on both of those guys. Then you started making condescending remarks. So yea, you came in with a negative attitude, he disagreed and you began to make condescending remarks.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 06:44 PM
Housh, I understand you disagree and see things differently but there is no reason to be insulting, which you have been from the get go towards Broncoholic. Maybe you could better articulate your point without being so condescending? It has really set a negative tone for the rest of this thread. It's rather disappointing

I appreciate it. It's fine though, John and I get into a lot worse than this. But we aren't allowed to anymore :P

If he wants to make fun of me coaching kids, let him, doesn't bug me. I enjoy it.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 06:54 PM
I google plenty of things, articles and stats mainly, what's wrong with that? Also, if there is something bad with it, you are being very hypocritical in the above post, majority of that came from google.
The whole point was that you wouldn't use google. That went over your head. I use google plenty and never denied it. No need to call anyone a hypocrite.


Lawson only averaged 8 minutes a game, that is not a lot.
Lawon played 1318 minutes in 65 games his rookie season. That's about 20.3 minutes a game per season. I think you looked at the games started stat.

Faried played 22.5/game. Not that much of a difference.

Diawara played in 10 minutes/game. Fournier plays in 8.7.

The point is that Karl will play rookies if they deserve it and even if he does that does not mean that they will be good. Faried and Lawson are good, Diawara is not and Fournier still has to prove himself.

So Faried and Diawara. 2 players, in 7 years played decent/good minutes under Karl as a rookie.
Lawson played plenty and he deserved it. Faried did as well, Diawara was not that good.

Those are 3 rookies out of the 9 he's had. before this year. 1/3 isn't very rare. Those other 6 didn't play much are either not in the league or not getting many minutes at all.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 06:56 PM
He said you appeared to be alone on not wanting moz or fournier and you are. You are the only poster I have seen vocally hate on both of those guys. Then you started making condescending remarks. So yea, you came in with a negative attitude, he disagreed and you began to make condescending remarks.
You're saying it's wrong to voice my opinions on other players?? I didn't start out with condescending remarks towards broncoholic, I voiced my opinion on a player. Is it 'condescending' and 'negative' to have an opinion that doesn't match yours?

And it's not like my comment on Mozgov was inappropriate or out of line in any way.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 06:58 PM
The whole point was that you wouldn't use google. That went over your head. I use google plenty and never denied it. No need to call anyone a hypocrite.


Lawon played 1318 minutes in 65 games his rookie season. That's about 20.3 minutes a game per season. I think you looked at the games started stat.

Faried played 22.5/game. Not that much of a difference.

Diawara played in 10 minutes/game. Fournier plays in 8.7.

The point is that Karl will play rookies if they deserve it and even if he does that does not mean that they will be good. Faried and Lawson are good, Diawara is not and Fournier still has to prove himself.

Lawson played plenty and he deserved it. Faried did as well, Diawara was not that good.

Those are 3 rookies out of the 9 he's had. before this year. 1/3 isn't very rare. Those other 6 didn't play much are either not in the league or not getting many minutes at all.

When did I see I wouldn't use google? I never said that...

That's my mistake on Lawson. I didn't even look him up. I read your post wrong, I thought you said 542 MINUTES, not points, so I went off that, even though I felt 8 minutes a game was low. My mistake.

Still that's only 3 players. He is known around the league for not playing rookies. Beat writers talk about it, Scott and Chris talk about it (hence the reason it was such a big deal Faried play so much last year). If anyone else enters this thread they can back me up on that -- Karl is known for not playing rookies. Just like that article a linked earlier, he is used to yelling at rookies and getting mad at them for stupidity, he isn't a big fan of them.

We aren't just talking about Nuggets career either. Throughout his whole coaching career. It sticks with him -- he doesn't like playing rookies.

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 07:01 PM
You're saying it's wrong to voice my opinions on other players?? I didn't start out with condescending remarks towards broncoholic, I voiced my opinion on a player. Is it 'condescending' and 'negative' to have an opinion that doesn't match yours?

And it's not like my comment on Mozgov was inappropriate or out of line in any way.

No not at all. However it is condescending when someone correctly points out that they guess you are one of the few to feel that way and then you respond by saying it was hilarious that people were high on Fournier and that he was smoking something. Then he responded with several links to articles echoing those sentiments. I'm not friends with broncoholic, I have no bias here. I just saw the thread start to take a negative turn in terms of condescending remarks and I am voicing that I believe you put that into motion. Obviously broncoholic is also at fault for feeding into it. I just rather keep things civil on this board regardless of disagreements. Last I checked, people get reported for less.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 07:02 PM
When did I see I wouldn't use google? I never said that...

That's my mistake on Lawson. I didn't even look him up. I read your post wrong, I thought you said 542 MINUTES, not points, so I went off that, even though I felt 8 minutes a game was low. My mistake.

Still that's only 3 players. He is known around the league for not playing rookies. Beat writers talk about it, Scott and Chris talk about it (hence the reason it was such a big deal Faried play so much last year). If anyone else enters this thread they can back me up on that -- Karl is known for not playing rookies. Just like that article a linked earlier, he is used to yelling at rookies and getting mad at them for stupidity, he isn't a big fan of them.

We aren't just talking about Nuggets career either. Throughout his whole coaching career. It sticks with him -- he doesn't like playing rookies.
Triple Post, wth.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 07:05 PM
When did I see I wouldn't use google? I never said that...

That's my mistake on Lawson. I didn't even look him up. I read your post wrong, I thought you said 542 MINUTES, not points, so I went off that, even though I felt 8 minutes a game was low. My mistake.

Still that's only 3 players. He is known around the league for not playing rookies. Beat writers talk about it, Scott and Chris talk about it (hence the reason it was such a big deal Faried play so much last year). If anyone else enters this thread they can back me up on that -- Karl is known for not playing rookies. Just like that article a linked earlier, he is used to yelling at rookies and getting mad at them for stupidity, he isn't a big fan of them.

We aren't just talking about Nuggets career either. Throughout his whole coaching career. It sticks with him -- he doesn't like playing rookies.
Double Post.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 07:06 PM
When did I see I wouldn't use google? I never said that...

That's my mistake on Lawson. I didn't even look him up. I read your post wrong, I thought you said 542 MINUTES, not points, so I went off that, even though I felt 8 minutes a game was low. My mistake.

Still that's only 3 players. He is known around the league for not playing rookies. Beat writers talk about it, Scott and Chris talk about it (hence the reason it was such a big deal Faried play so much last year). If anyone else enters this thread they can back me up on that -- Karl is known for not playing rookies. Just like that article a linked earlier, he is used to yelling at rookies and getting mad at them for stupidity, he isn't a big fan of them.

We aren't just talking about Nuggets career either. Throughout his whole coaching career. It sticks with him -- he doesn't like playing rookies.
He's played the rookies who have at least turned out to be good. The other 6 rookies are nothing in the league. If they don't deserve to play a lot then Karl won't play them. That's been the whole point I've been trying to make.

Even Diawara, who has not played much since his first couple years got the same minutes like Fournier did. Hype proves nothing. Sonny Weems got talked up a lot too when he was here.

That's my point. You don't have to agree with it.

I'm not impressed with Fournier. I've watched most of the games. It's my opinion.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 07:09 PM
He's played the rookies who have at least turned out to be good. The other 6 rookies are nothing in the league. If they don't deserve to play a lot then Karl won't play them.

Lawson had no competition that year for backup PG. He was a backup, not a starter, he won the job by playing well and Billups being old. He's turned out great.

Faried didn't really have too much stiff competition last year. He had an old Harrington who isn't really a PF because he is an outside shooter, not a great rebounder for a PF averaging less than 6 rebounds per game. Once he got time, he took advantage and won it and now is a rising star.

Diawara I really don't remember why he got so much time, I can't recall that teams full roster.

Where is Fournier supposed to go? He's a SG, at SG we have 15 million dollar Iggy. He can't play there. We have Gallo at SF...can't play there. We have Brewer and Chandler off the bnech, going to be hard to beat them out. Miller gets a ton of minutes, not going to beat him out.

We are loaded. The kid is 20 years old. Expecting him to play lots or do lots this year was unrealistic if that's what you expected.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 07:12 PM
I have no problem with you not being impressed with Fournier. I just said you stand alone on that one 'probably'.

The FO, Karl and others have raved about him for his age. I linked my stuff. That was going to be the end of that. You took it further.

If you don't think he's good, that's fine. I'm just saying he hasn't gotten to play a lot and others think he's going to be really good.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 07:13 PM
No not at all. However it is condescending when someone correctly points out that they guess you are one of the few to feel that way and then you respond by saying it was hilarious that people were high on Fournier and that he was smoking something. Then he responded with several links to articles echoing those sentiments. I'm not friends with broncoholic, I have no bias here. I just saw the thread start to take a negative turn in terms of condescending remarks and I am voicing that I believe you put that into motion. Obviously broncoholic is also at fault for feeding into it. I just rather keep things civil on this board regardless of disagreements. Last I checked, people get reported for less.
I'll keep it clean. I didn't appreciate you laying the blame on me 100%.

Matymaddog
02-21-2013, 07:16 PM
I'll keep it clean. I didn't appreciate you laying the blame on me 100%.
I apologize. It's always a two way street.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 07:16 PM
I have no problem with you not being impressed with Fournier. I just said you stand alone on that one 'probably'.

The FO, Karl and others have raved about him for his age. I linked my stuff. That was going to be the end of that. You took it further.

If you don't think he's good, that's fine. I'm just saying he hasn't gotten to play a lot and others think he's going to be really good.
We both kept going. I'm saying that other players have been hyped before and turned out to be nothing. I think we've both established our point.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 07:16 PM
About Sonny, I don't recall the FO, Karl or the beat writers talking about his IQ or how bright his future was, or other players talking about how good he would be.

But if you can provide me a link to something like that, I'll definitely take a look. Just don't remember it off the top of my head.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 07:18 PM
I apologize. It's always a two way street.
No harm. I'm sure I'll be getting into a lot more arguments in this forum and I'll do my best to keep things impersonal.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 07:26 PM
About Sonny, I don't recall the FO, Karl or the beat writers talking about his IQ or how bright his future was, or other players talking about how good he would be.

But if you can provide me a link to something like that, I'll definitely take a look. Just don't remember it off the top of my head.

I remember Marlowe, Hastings and Hanzlik hyping him up plenty because he was doing really good for the 14e'rs.

Broncoholic3233
02-21-2013, 07:28 PM
I remember Marlowe, Hastings and Hanzlik hyping him up plenty because he was doing really good for the 14e'rs.

I don't recall, but definitely possible. I liked Sonny.

However, to be fair, that isn't the same as high praise from GK and Masai.

Also, it isn't like GK and Masai are praising Miller, like they are Fournier.

Houshmazode
02-21-2013, 07:30 PM
I don't recall, but definitely possible. I liked Sonny.

However, to be fair, that isn't the same as high praise from GK and Masai.

Also, it isn't like GK and Masai are praising Miller, like they are Fournier.
I haven't really heard anyone praise Miller. I think the Nuggets drafted him because Lawson said he wanted them to.

The Experience
02-22-2013, 07:48 AM
Yakhouba Diawara played because at the time, he was the Nuggets best on ball defender. You cannot have your best defender on the bench all the time, regardless of his age. We didn't have the young talent and the deep bench we have now.

Who are you gonna take minutes away from to give to Fournier? Exactly. If Evan played for the same on that same team he would have gotten more PT. There is no reason to rush the guy

Evan has a lot of great traits in a young player. Smart, can shoot the ball, get to the rim and can distribute. He is further along defensively than I had expected. He is gonna be a good player for us, just no need to rush him.