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rogue719
05-10-2013, 10:29 AM
Who thinks Cutler is Jeff George.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/22212980/nfls-most-overrated-players-dirty-suh-playoffchallenged-romo-on-top

"4. Jay Cutler, QB, Chicago Bears: Cutler is 30 years old and was the 11th overall pick in the 2006 draft. In Denver and Chicago, he has had solid weapons around him and good backs. Yet despite a strong arm he has won a solitary playoff game. One. Cutler is Jeff George.

Chicago's offense has never been ranked higher than 23rd. Blame the previous coaching staff all you want but Cutler's passer rating was pedantic even after adding the explosive Brandon Marshall.

Again, Cutler has a huge arm and some mobility. That's good. But so did George"


He also lists Tebow as among the most overrated.

bronx_2003
05-10-2013, 11:11 AM
I agree with the Cutler comparison. I kinda agree with Tebow but how many truly rate him anyway ?

A few names on that list annoy me.

Suh, Rivers, Bryant and Andre Johnson are not over-rated.

So Suh had a couple of dirty plays, big deal, lineman are dirty sometimes. He has still produced at a pretty good level, although I agree needs to make a further step up next year.

Rivers is a good QB IMO, I just think he gets no help.

Dez Bryant had 1382 yards and 12 TD's last season. Over-rated ? What a joke.

AJ had 1598 yards. Only 4 TD's but they pounded a lot in once in the RZ. He never has anyone opposite him either.

BroncoFanDK
05-10-2013, 02:53 PM
Rogue you are definitely not alone.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1028/pg2_flem1028_576.jpg

This is one of the greatest comparisons I have seen (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/101028&sportCat=nfl). You have to say that Jeff George looks almost good by comparison.

I do not really understand that Tebow is on the list of the most overrated. He is currently an unsigned FA - how exactly can you be overrated in that kind of situation?

I think that Tebow is the anti-Cuddles, and that is not bad!

There is some funny stuff out there;
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJ4yFeQ_6HE3CLO5ep0S5tewV8Eatgv FuyH4eeu96nJqlPHCSN

JakeNbake
05-10-2013, 02:56 PM
Andre Johnson overrated?

And Tebow isn't overrated most people think he sucks.

bears6385
05-10-2013, 04:35 PM
Who thinks Cutler is Jeff George.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/22212980/nfls-most-overrated-players-dirty-suh-playoffchallenged-romo-on-top

"4. Jay Cutler, QB, Chicago Bears: Cutler is 30 years old and was the 11th overall pick in the 2006 draft. In Denver and Chicago, he has had solid weapons around him and good backs. Yet despite a strong arm he has won a solitary playoff game. One. Cutler is Jeff George.

Chicago's offense has never been ranked higher than 23rd. Blame the previous coaching staff all you want but Cutler's passer rating was pedantic even after adding the explosive Brandon Marshall.

Again, Cutler has a huge arm and some mobility. That's good. But so did George"


He also lists Tebow as among the most overrated.We will see this year........For the first time since Cutler has been a Bear you have a GM willing to build his offense around Jay. In the last two years Emery has added WR's Marshall, and Jeffery, a solid RB in Bush, a TE who can actually block and catch the ball in M. Bennett, and three new OLinemen, first round pick OG Kyle Long, veteran OG Matt Slauson, and pro bowl LT Jermon Bushrod to go along with RB Matt Forte.

Cutler is in a contract year with a new HC. If he does not show this year, he will be gone in 2014. With a good OL in front of him, Forte behind him, and huge receivers to throw to, Marshall, Jeffery, and M. Bennett, I would expect Jay Cutler to have a huge year and earn his contract extension.

HUMCALC
05-10-2013, 05:06 PM
I agree with the Cutler comparison. I kinda agree with Tebow but how many truly rate him anyway ?

A few names on that list annoy me.

Suh, Rivers, Bryant and Andre Johnson are not over-rated.

So Suh had a couple of dirty plays, big deal, lineman are dirty sometimes. He has still produced at a pretty good level, although I agree needs to make a further step up next year.

Rivers is a good QB IMO, I just think he gets no help.

Dez Bryant had 1382 yards and 12 TD's last season. Over-rated ? What a joke.

AJ had 1598 yards. Only 4 TD's but they pounded a lot in once in the RZ. He never has anyone opposite him either.

Rivers has had a ton of talent over the years. He's had: LT, Sproles, Gates, Vincent Jackson, Floyd, Meachem, etc. The rest I agree with

SoundsOfSuccess
05-10-2013, 05:29 PM
Yeah, if I were a head coach I wouldn't want that hooligan anywhere near my team.

His arm is good~ that's cool~ but his abilities to throw the ball to the right team and win aren't.

BroncoFanDK
05-12-2013, 02:33 PM
We will see this year........For the first time since Cutler has been a Bear you have a GM willing to build his offense around Jay. In the last two years Emery has added WR's Marshall, and Jeffery, a solid RB in Bush, a TE who can actually block and catch the ball in M. Bennett, and three new OLinemen, first round pick OG Kyle Long, veteran OG Matt Slauson, and pro bowl LT Jermon Bushrod to go along with RB Matt Forte.

Cutler is in a contract year with a new HC. If he does not show this year, he will be gone in 2014. With a good OL in front of him, Forte behind him, and huge receivers to throw to, Marshall, Jeffery, and M. Bennett, I would expect Jay Cutler to have a huge year and earn his contract extension.

We will see!

What I would love is for the Bears to draft Tebow as Jay's backup. Cutler to me has had so many excuses given by so many people that have fallen in love with his arm. Tebow is Cutlers polar opposite - careful with the ball, great teammate that makes the team better and a never say never attitude. He is the definition of grit and aside from his odd motion he performs when it matters.

When Cutler goes down with his injuries this year, we would see a total transformation of that team, and I don't think that Cutler could win the job back. That would be really fun to watch the tantrums Cutler would throw.




Cutler is battling Ponder for the worst QB in NFC north

bears6385
05-13-2013, 04:20 PM
We will see!

What I would love is for the Bears to draft Tebow as Jay's backup. Cutler to me has had so many excuses given by so many people that have fallen in love with his arm. Tebow is Cutlers polar opposite - careful with the ball, great teammate that makes the team better and a never say never attitude. He is the definition of grit and aside from his odd motion he performs when it matters.

When Cutler goes down with his injuries this year, we would see a total transformation of that team, and I don't think that Cutler could win the job back. That would be really fun to watch the tantrums Cutler would throw.




Cutler is battling Ponder for the worst QB in NFC northTebow is not accurate enough to fit Trestman's offense. That and the fact no team in the league wants the Tebow circus to come to town.

No excuses at all this year...........He will make or not with Trestman as HC. You put the talent around Cutler and he has the skills to win, simple as that.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
05-13-2013, 04:30 PM
We will see this year........For the first time since Cutler has been a Bear you have a GM willing to build his offense around Jay. In the last two years Emery has added WR's Marshall, and Jeffery, a solid RB in Bush, a TE who can actually block and catch the ball in M. Bennett, and three new OLinemen, first round pick OG Kyle Long, veteran OG Matt Slauson, and pro bowl LT Jermon Bushrod to go along with RB Matt Forte.

Cutler is in a contract year with a new HC. If he does not show this year, he will be gone in 2014. With a good OL in front of him, Forte behind him, and huge receivers to throw to, Marshall, Jeffery, and M. Bennett, I would expect Jay Cutler to have a huge year and earn his contract extension.


I think he'll get paid, but not like a $20 million dollar man.

bears6385
05-13-2013, 04:44 PM
I think he'll get paid, but not like a $20 million dollar man.If Cutler has a big year, the Bears will pay him the going rate and he will get Flacco/Romo kind of money.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
05-13-2013, 04:49 PM
If Cutler has a big year, the Bears will pay him the going rate and he will get Flacco/Romo kind of money.

I suppose it's possible, but Cutler has only had one year that good so far in his career.

bears6385
05-13-2013, 09:52 PM
I suppose it's possible, but Cutler has only had one year that good so far in his career.Yep............The one year he actually had pass protection. Three new OL starters this year, I hope that is enough.

-Rod-
05-13-2013, 10:17 PM
The problem with Cutler is that he did not evolve after losing Mike Shanahan. He's still the same QB he was in 2008. Extremely talented but erratic. He did not improve his mechanics and did not improve his decision-making. Too many coaches, too many systems. He still has to deal with diabetes, and we don't know how much it affects him.

theMileHighGuy
05-13-2013, 10:38 PM
This will be a big year for Cutty. They finally, finally, did something to improve that o-line. If they gel well there will be no more excuses. I still like the guy, when he throws the ball it is either magical or disastrous.

Atwnbroncfan
05-13-2013, 10:48 PM
On paper Cutler finally has a competent line. But he still has the problem of waiting for BMarsh to get open instead of working his progressions. Trying to force feed Marshall was an issue in Denver, and certainly was in Chicago.

Oh and beating GB would be a good start too. They own him.

BroncoFanDK
05-14-2013, 12:16 AM
Tebow is not accurate enough to fit Trestman's offense. That and the fact no team in the league wants the Tebow circus to come to town.

No excuses at all this year...........He will make or not with Trestman as HC. You put the talent around Cutler and he has the skills to win, simple as that.

You are absolutely right that the Tebow circus is a problem. It is one thing to have a QB that feels entitled it is another thing to have millions of religious fanatics that feel he is.

Trestman had high regard for Tebow's abilities three years ago and like Cutler, Tebow needs to work on getting his footwork correct. Both have some bad mistakes in setting up where Tebow tends to throw a funny pass in the ground and Cutler throws a beautiful spiral that is 20 degrees off target and tend to be caught by someone unintended.

Tebow will be picked up by a desperate team at some point and get his chance, but I would love to see Cutler and Tebow on the same team. I am convinced that Tebow's skills/leadership will eventually be more successful than Cutlers ditto. I was skeptical of Cutler as the Broncos QB and I am free to hate after he left in the manner he did and I think it is scary for Bears fans that as a Bronco he directed one victory against Chargers and as a Bear he has one win against the Packers. That is insanely bad for a QB with and elite skill set.

rogue719
05-14-2013, 05:32 AM
We will see!

What I would love is for the Bears to draft Tebow as Jay's backup. Cutler to me has had so many excuses given by so many people that have fallen in love with his arm. Tebow is Cutlers polar opposite - careful with the ball, great teammate that makes the team better and a never say never attitude. He is the definition of grit and aside from his odd motion he performs when it matters.

When Cutler goes down with his injuries this year, we would see a total transformation of that team, and I don't think that Cutler could win the job back. That would be really fun to watch the tantrums Cutler would throw.

Cutler is battling Ponder for the worst QB in NFC north

Never happen. Tebow will not go to any team that has a pocket passing QB, because it would mean having to put together two game plans each week and practice two game plans in preparation in case the QB goes down. The only teams that would even consider taking a Tebow would be one with a running QB, and all the other teams out there that feature them have running QB's that can at least throw the ball well enough to complete over 50% of their passes. Timmy will likely NEVER be good enough to play QB in the NFL.

rogue719
05-14-2013, 05:35 AM
You are absolutely right that the Tebow circus is a problem. It is one thing to have a QB that feels entitled it is another thing to have millions of religious fanatics that feel he is.

Trestman had high regard for Tebow's abilities three years ago and like Cutler, Tebow needs to work on getting his footwork correct. Both have some bad mistakes in setting up where Tebow tends to throw a funny pass in the ground and Cutler throws a beautiful spiral that is 20 degrees off target and tend to be caught by someone unintended.

Three years ago there wasn't film on Tebow's failings in the NFL to dissuade any GM and head coach of signing him.

Now, there is Timmy's failings as a QB along with the circus. He's done in the NFL.


Tebow will be picked up by a desperate team at some point and get his chance, but I would love to see Cutler and Tebow on the same team. I am convinced that Tebow's skills/leadership will eventually be more successful than Cutlers ditto. I was skeptical of Cutler as the Broncos QB and I am free to hate after he left in the manner he did and I think it is scary for Bears fans that as a Bronco he directed one victory against Chargers and as a Bear he has one win against the Packers. That is insanely bad for a QB with and elite skill set.

I disagree on the skills part. I think Timmy has heart and that's pretty much it. He doesn't have brains, he's one of the lowest ever scoring on the Wonderlic and he can't read NFL defenses yet. He can't throw short timing route and is too hesitant to fire the ball into a small window of opportunity, so he runs around in the backfield waiting for someone to get enough separation (and distance) that he can fire the ball deep and let the receiver adjust on the ball.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
05-14-2013, 07:41 AM
Yep............The one year he actually had pass protection. Three new OL starters this year, I hope that is enough.

He also had one of the best offensive minds in the history of the game.

bears6385
05-14-2013, 04:36 PM
He also had one of the best offensive minds in the history of the game.And we in Chicago think Trestman is that same type of HC. Can't wait to get this season started.

bears6385
05-14-2013, 04:45 PM
The problem with Cutler is that he did not evolve after losing Mike Shanahan. He's still the same QB he was in 2008. Extremely talented but erratic. He did not improve his mechanics and did not improve his decision-making. Too many coaches, too many systems. He still has to deal with diabetes, and we don't know how much it affects him.I agree, and I think Trestman is much like Shanahan as an offensive minded HC. Cutler regressed badly last year and needs an HC like Trestman to help him get back on track, get back to that 2008 style of offense.

bears6385
05-14-2013, 04:50 PM
On paper Cutler finally has a competent line. But he still has the problem of waiting for BMarsh to get open instead of working his progressions. Trying to force feed Marshall was an issue in Denver, and certainly was in Chicago.

Oh and beating GB would be a good start too. They own him.Last year the loss of Alshon Jeffery to injury hurt the Bears badly. After that injury Cutler really only had Marshall to throw to. I am still amazed at the season Marshall had.

rogue719
05-15-2013, 11:15 AM
On paper Cutler finally has a competent line. But he still has the problem of waiting for BMarsh to get open instead of working his progressions. Trying to force feed Marshall was an issue in Denver, and certainly was in Chicago.

Oh and beating GB would be a good start too. They own him.

He's never been good with checking down his progressions. One of the biggest knocks on him is that he has so much confidence in his big arm that he is determined to throw to his primary receiver, even into double and triple coverage.

When I saw Martz going to Chicago, I knew it would be a nightmare for Bears fans. Martz's offense is predicated on not putting people in to block so he can get as many potential receivers out as he can and let his QB check down to the open guy. Worked great for Warner, who cut his teeth in Arena Ball where you have to think and react much more quickly, kiss of death for someone who resists checking down.

Cutler is the classic pocket passer, but in today's NFL, he has to learn more flexibility in order to be successful, and he doesn't seem like he's interested in doing that.

BroncoFanDK
05-16-2013, 05:47 AM
He's never been good with checking down his progressions. One of the biggest knocks on him is that he has so much confidence in his big arm that he is determined to throw to his primary receiver, even into double and triple coverage.

When I saw Martz going to Chicago, I knew it would be a nightmare for Bears fans. Martz's offense is predicated on not putting people in to block so he can get as many potential receivers out as he can and let his QB check down to the open guy. Worked great for Warner, who cut his teeth in Arena Ball where you have to think and react much more quickly, kiss of death for someone who resists checking down.

Cutler is the classic pocket passer, but in today's NFL, he has to learn more flexibility in order to be successful, and he doesn't seem like he's interested in doing that.

The only time Cutler has ever taken a team to the playoffs was in the first year under Mike Martz.

Cutler relies on his arm to not have to read defenses - when the sees the receiver he throws it to where the receiver is. Tebow tries to fake the run first and with the speed of defenders it becomes more dual option than triple option. When the first two options do not work you are trapped.

Manning throws to the place where the receiver will be when the ball gets there, and that (and his no huddle) is what makes him so good.

BroncoFanDK
05-17-2013, 10:09 AM
Looks like the NFL analysts are getting there as well
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000200131/article/ranking-the-nfl-quarterbacks

assassin216
05-17-2013, 12:33 PM
Looks like the NFL analysts are getting there as well
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000200131/article/ranking-the-nfl-quarterbacks

I dont understand the hate Josh Freeman gets,he should be higher than Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton....smh

HUMCALC
05-17-2013, 03:32 PM
I dont understand the hate Josh Freeman gets,he should be higher than Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton....smh

I say higher than Palmer, but lower than Dalton

InsaneBlaze23
05-17-2013, 03:41 PM
<<<Owns a Jeff George draft day jersey.

InsaneBlaze23
05-17-2013, 03:46 PM
I dont understand the hate Josh Freeman gets,he should be higher than Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton....smh

I'd put him ahead of Palmer, Dalton, Bradford, and maybe even Schuab. Freeman is a good QB and a talented player. Could be a beast if the Bucs build the team around him correctly. They have their back, they need a better OL. Not too much better, just minor upgrade. They need a legit number 1 star wide out, and a defense they can back him up.

I think Schuab is just average, his back field, his defense, his OL, and Andre make him look above average. But at no point if I was a defense would I be scared of him. Lets not forget TJ Yates didn't do too bad of a job starting.