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broncolassiter
07-31-2013, 01:11 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9525557/nfl-makes-major-pro-bowl-changes

Not sure I like all the changes. No AFC -vs- NFC. So who do you root for?
No kick off, Kick return specialist have no chance of going back to the Pro Bowl
The game will no longer be like a regular Football game. Two minute warnings at end of first and third quarters and the ball will change possession at end of each quarter. What is the point? Different rules for Pro Bowl than regular football games. I can see wanting to eliminate injuries, but what about injuries in regular season? why the double standard?

#01BroncoFan
07-31-2013, 01:28 PM
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Change is not good!!!!!!!!!!!

bronx_2003
07-31-2013, 02:35 PM
Nothings really changed, its still a meaningless game.

The worrying rule is no Kickoffs and they have got rid of the pro bowl returner which I think is poor. Its worrying because I don't want that spilling over to the proper games

Maharishineo
07-31-2013, 03:07 PM
Why are you compelled to root for the AFC to begin with, though? Because it has your players. Manning is your QB. You root for him. But rooting for the AFC also means, inherently, you're rooting for your rivals. Root for Rivers? Forget that. At worst, it's the same thing as it is now. But at least there is the possibility that you can root for your players without having to root for your rival's players. If Champ and Thomas are on opposite sides (for this example)? It would be fun to see them go against each other in a semi-real game, no? One of the fun parts about the Pro Bowl is that you actually get to see Manning pass to Andre Johnson. But that gets old after a while, right? Now one year they might be on the same team and the next they're on opposite teams and now you get to see Manning hand off to Adrian Peterson and pass to Megatron!

I, for one, actually like the changes to the Pro Bowl. It wasn't very fun before but now... it will be fun to watch the captains, with the help of Dion and Jerry Rice, to pick the teams. If you look at and think about the rules in depth, you'll see how they might even create a more exciting game. 2-minute warnings in the 1st and 3rd quarters mean that you'll probably get to see all 6 QBs have a 2-minute drill. They can't simply run clock, either. If they don't gain positive yardage, the clock stops (even on a run or sack!) and the team with the ball risks giving it to the opponent. Then again, that creates a game-within a game to where you can punt it with something like 10 seconds left to get the ball back at the change of the quarter? Seems like it could get interesting.

Perhaps it will get stale after the first time, but am I more likely to tune in this time around? Yeah. Who knows? Maybe they change it up every year just to keep people interested in how whatever rule changes they're going to make this time work out. It's not a bad idea, and gives them an opportunity to try out changes (some radical, others not so much) that could carry over to the real games.

For what it's worth, I think that's exactly what's going on with the kickoff returns. They eliminated it for this event and aren't even going to have somebody be able to make the Pro Bowl as a return specialist. That spot is going towards extra DB.

Awesomo 2000
07-31-2013, 03:46 PM
What a worthless "fix".

"Let's take everything that's wrong with the pro bowl, and leave it just the way it is. Instead, let's stop the clock more often, so that we can squeeze in some more Commercials! Before the game, we can hold a pointless "draft", which nobody will care about. This way, we can televise it, and sell more Commercials! Yay!"

Apparently, the only thing wrong with the pro bowl, before, was that they couldn't squeeze enough commercials into it. It's a good thing they came up with a way to improve this glaring problem.

atwaterandstir
07-31-2013, 04:03 PM
This wont last.......many players have escalators in their contracts one being pro bowl appearances. With the new rules like 6 QBs total regardless of AFC or NFC I bet it gets a little negative Feedback.

Charlie Brown
07-31-2013, 05:15 PM
Didn't like Pro Bowl before. But, that said, it let fans come together to vote for the top players in each conference. Now? I will not only not watch it, I will completely avoid it. Before, I'd be happy about so and so being recognized for his play. Now? Kick returners and kickers will not be recognized for their contributions, heck I think this reflects changes the NFL wants to see implemented to the game as a whole. No kickers, no kickoffs, more commercials. This is disgusting. Football is dying one rule change at a time.

fallforward3y+
08-01-2013, 03:21 AM
I like the idea of a Pro Bowl, because I like strength on strength football. I like to see 2 players who play the same style, just go at it and see who the better man is, I like it better than just constantly trying to exploit the weaknesses of the other team.

If that's what is really happening, I like it, but it's not what really happens. Some players go at it for competitiveness, but a lot of them don't even try, or just sit out. If that's all it is, why even have the game? Why not just give them an award? Sean Taylor's ethics were questioned for lighting up a punter(Moorman) in the pro bowl, pretty pathetic really. Moorman actually preferred he do that, even though he didn't do great running with the ball I at least respected his attitude. Give it your best, every play, as should be done in practices.

The less effort you put in, the more it ruins the point of what you are doing, much like the 'never get hit unless it's in a game' fear driven mentality. Mainly, just avoid the over the middle shots on guys who aren't looking in the pro-bowl, because those aren't real ball carrier versus tackler match ups. That, and taking 100 hits when your running with it is far less dangerous than 1 when you aren't looking.

theMileHighGuy
08-01-2013, 03:41 AM
When I thought it was just going to be Prime Time and Jerry Rice drafting players I was behind it, that sounded like a lot of fun and something different. I thought maybe players would enjoy playing more representing these guys. You know Deion would've picked the best corners and Rice the best receivers first. I don't think it would actually change the probowl rosters that much, you might even see more deserving guys get in over the purely popularity ones. But reading all these extra things just makes me mad. I would've loved to have seen Trindon smoke people in Hawaii.

Give these guys some of the millions of dollars you're going to make off these 10 extra minutes of commercials and give them some incentive. Tell them to lighten up on the hits if you want. They're top-tier professionals they should be able to control themselves. The commercialization of the entire sport makes me sick. The worst part is that Goodell is never going to go away. Not until he decides to retire. No one is going to try and oust him as long as he's making them more money than ever.

Maharishineo
08-01-2013, 08:23 AM
Remember after each kickoff there's normally a commercial. (I expect instead of score, commercial, kickoff, commercial, drive it will just be score, commercial, drive.) They're taking the kickoff away so I see the other opportunities for time stoppage to be a wash. Given the choice between a couple more 2-minute drills and a kickoff... the answer seems clear to me.

Amari24
08-01-2013, 09:46 AM
Two words: Skills Competition. If you really want to see players going full speed, being competitive, and actually trying (albeit in drills) then that's the way to go.

You can even do team-based competitive drills like 7 on 7 through a draft, or AFC VS. NFC if fans still want that draw..

Awesomo 2000
08-01-2013, 11:51 AM
Remember after each kickoff there's normally a commercial. (I expect instead of score, commercial, kickoff, commercial, drive it will just be score, commercial, drive.) They're taking the kickoff away so I see the other opportunities for time stoppage to be a wash. Given the choice between a couple more 2-minute drills and a kickoff... the answer seems clear to me.

The in-game commercials might not be much different. It's the bogus "draft" which is the new draw. How many hours of this worthless "draft" do we need to watch, before we realize that the players still aren't going to care or give any effort during the game? And why would I care about some ego driven draft which is only for one effortless game?

A skill competition would be fun. They could come up with novel events each year. Players wouldn't have to worry about injury. Fans would be more engaged, while cheering directly for their favorite players. I know I'd probably tune in to see Manning and Brady compete head to head, to see who was better that day.

It just boggles the mind, how these nfl marketers could consider this a "fix" for the pro bowl. This "fix" fixes nothing, and only serves to sell more ad time than before. The glaring problem of players who don't care or try is what makes the probowl a joke. This also feels like it's just a test run for seeing how fans respond to drastic rule changes.

xX-Bronco-Xx
08-01-2013, 01:17 PM
Two words: Skills Competition. If you really want to see players going full speed, being competitive, and actually trying (albeit in drills) then that's the way to go.

You can even do team-based competitive drills like 7 on 7 through a draft, or AFC VS. NFC if fans still want that draw..

Yes, yes, and yes!

fallforward3y+
08-01-2013, 03:46 PM
Two words: Skills Competition. If you really want to see players going full speed, being competitive, and actually trying (albeit in drills) then that's the way to go.

You can even do team-based competitive drills like 7 on 7 through a draft, or AFC VS. NFC if fans still want that draw..

There's something I could watch. Particularly, give them some 1 on 1s. You could have ball carrier versus tackler, receiver versus defensive back, o-lineman versus d-lineman. Then maybe a QB accuracy under pressure competition, you could have a rusher coming at him and see how well he can hit a receiver. If your worried about the QB getting creamed when they are just standing there, you could have the rusher run full speed, but just tackle the QB when he gets there instead of going for the kill.

broncos SB2010
08-01-2013, 10:24 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9525557/nfl-makes-major-pro-bowl-changes

Not sure I like all the changes. No AFC -vs- NFC. So who do you root for?
No kick off, Kick return specialist have no chance of going back to the Pro Bowl
The game will no longer be like a regular Football game. Two minute warnings at end of first and third quarters and the ball will change possession at end of each quarter. What is the point? Different rules for Pro Bowl than regular football games. I can see wanting to eliminate injuries, but what about injuries in regular season? why the double standard?

They shouldn't have defensive players either...they don't do anything. 62-35, 59-41, 55-41...what a joke. I still say this is the way to go

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theMileHighGuy
08-01-2013, 10:42 PM
I've been an advocate for the return of the skills competition for some time. They had reruns of some of them on some time ago. I would love to see the quarterbacks duke it out. I want to see who can chuck it the farthest. I think Aaron Brooks won the last one. I'd like to see Cutler vs. Flacco on the long ball. I want to see Trindon smoke everyone in the 40/100 yard dash. I want to see Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers in the accuracy competition.

A tug o war would be super entertaining as well.

JWinn
08-01-2013, 11:06 PM
Every year when they came out, I went down and got several copies of the PB ballot. I used to always mail one in, and keep a few as souvenirs. I miss doing that. Always hoped I'd win the tickets, lol. I could justify the expense if I won at least the tickets.

I still voted online for the players I thought really earned it, and only voted once a year. I was always proud I got to throw in my two cents. Especially as a ticket holder, ad what I consider a pretty loyal fan. Not only to my team, but the league, and the game.

Again, I really voted for the players I felt really earned it. One of the few times I stopped being a Bronco Fan first, and an NFL Fan second. I tried to vote as a player would. Voting only once, and making it count. (Hoping it counted more realistically, lol)

I am going to miss that. A lot. My voice as a fan, were I felt it really counted, (although certainly not as much anymore (that's a whole different thread)) is gone.

Now Deion, Jerry, and Fantasy winners have that voice.

That's not the fans.

I am not really concerned with the changes to the game itself, although they don't sound like any improvement to me, but more in the selection process as to who gets to play.

My now silent voice says they should not have changed that part. As for the game itself, I'll give it chance.

But it sucks. They have taken away a special part of the game that allowed me to feel more connected to it. Seems odd with all the other ways they are trying to get fans connected.

I guess Pro Bowl voting wasn't profitable enough.



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Maharishineo
08-02-2013, 07:22 AM
No, no, no. The Pro Bowlers are still selected the same way. The fan vote counts. In fact, the two captains are the top 2 vote-getters and the teams themselves are selected by the committee of team captains, Rice, Sanders, and contest winners. Now you might even have more reason to vote, to try to make Manning a captain so he'll be able to choose his own team!

JWinn
08-02-2013, 10:58 AM
No, no, no. The Pro Bowlers are still selected the same way. The fan vote counts. In fact, the two captains are the top 2 vote-getters and the teams themselves are selected by the committee of team captains, Rice, Sanders, and contest winners. Now you might even have more reason to vote, to try to make Manning a captain so he'll be able to choose his own team!


Well, I guess I will wait and see what I can really vote for in November. Decide how I feel about it then.

No need to get worked up over this in August...... Plenty of other football to concentrate on.


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