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bears6385
08-30-2013, 05:05 PM
Pre-season is over now the real fun begins.

1) Packers..........Gotta give them their due. they have dominated the NFCN for the past three years.

2) Bears............Still the best defense in the division. They do have the talent on offense, so the key for them is how quickly that O will come together.

3) Vikings..........Peterson may well be the best player in the league, but can he carry that team for an entire season again. Ponder looks like he may have regressed since last year.

4) Lions...........In Stafford, Johnson, Best and Suh they have some top talent, just not enough overall talent to be a factor in this tough division.

InsaneBlaze23
08-31-2013, 06:37 AM
1) Packers, everyone will make them number simply because of Rodgers. This preseason we've seen that Mike McCarthy really wants to add balance to the team with a running game. During the preseason Eddie Lacy looked pretty good, so GB if all is healthy will have a respectable run game. The defense will be way better than the last 2 seasons, maybe close to the 2010 defense if they can get turn overs.

2)Bears, attempted to improve their OL. Kyle Long is pretty good, if Matt Forte can stay healthy they'll have their run game, which would likely be 3rd best in the division.

3)Lions, I got them going ahead of the Vikes. I think having Reggie Bush will push them into 3rd place. Not only will he be a decent back for them, he'll also be a weapon in the passing game and a good return option.

4) AP is on the team so they're gonna get wins. But Ponder has seemingly gotten worst, getting Greg Jennings won't help them.

Records:
Packers 11-5
Bears 10-6
Lions 7-9 maybe 8-8 of the defense can pick up.
Vikes 6-10

ERoyal248
08-31-2013, 08:08 AM
As long as Rodgers is healthy, GB wins it but they have a brutal road schedule.

Packers
Bears
Lions
Vikings

Not gonna try and guess records.

BroncoFanBoy
08-31-2013, 10:35 AM
Packers: 12-4
Bears: 10-6
Vikings: 9-7
Lions: 5-11

bears6385
08-31-2013, 12:01 PM
As long as Rodgers is healthy, GB wins it but they have a brutal road schedule.

Packers
Bears
Lions
Vikings

Not gonna try and guess records.Division was close last year, and I suspect that it will be again this season.

bears6385
08-31-2013, 12:05 PM
1) Packers, everyone will make them number simply because of Rodgers. This preseason we've seen that Mike McCarthy really wants to add balance to the team with a running game. During the preseason Eddie Lacy looked pretty good, so GB if all is healthy will have a respectable run game. The defense will be way better than the last 2 seasons, maybe close to the 2010 defense if they can get turn overs.

2)Bears, attempted to improve their OL. Kyle Long is pretty good, if Matt Forte can stay healthy they'll have their run game, which would likely be 3rd best in the division.

3)Lions, I got them going ahead of the Vikes. I think having Reggie Bush will push them into 3rd place. Not only will he be a decent back for them, he'll also be a weapon in the passing game and a good return option.

4) AP is on the team so they're gonna get wins. But Ponder has seemingly gotten worst, getting Greg Jennings won't help them.

Records:
Packers 11-5
Bears 10-6
Lions 7-9 maybe 8-8 of the defense can pick up.
Vikes 6-10Bears run game would be the third best in the division, bhind the Vikings and who else? Can't see the Lions or Packers having a better run game.

bears6385
09-02-2013, 10:22 AM
Week #1

49'ers > Packers

Bears > Bengals

Vikings > Lions

ERoyal248
09-02-2013, 11:32 AM
Week #1

49'ers > Packers

Bears > Bengals

Vikings > Lions

Not sure on Chi over Cincy.

The Bengals line vs Chi outta be a very interesting matchup, that DL is scary good.

JohnShaft
09-02-2013, 11:51 AM
The Bears are who... knows?

Really. Way too much turnover to have any clue at this point.

We have 4 new starters on the OL who are all new to the team (only the C is the same). A new TE. A new playcaller and Head coach.

I have a LOT of optimism.
But, is the OL noticeably better? Was Cutler what he was the last few years not because of bad OC's, but because he'd reached his ceiling? Has the Defense run out of time or luck?

That's what we're all going to find out. I do think the Pack should be more worried. simply because with Lovie the Bears would, year-in year-out, stay a good 9/10 win team that they could always beat.

Lovie's teams had high floors, but medium ceilings.
Trestman's ceiling is probably through the roof (Raiders in '02). But then his floor could easily be "Lions bad" (4-12 with loads of talent) too.

Most interesting team in the league this year I think (close run with Phi and KC).

bronx_2003
09-02-2013, 11:57 AM
Best division IMO

bronx_2003
09-02-2013, 12:06 PM
The Bears are who... knows?

Really. Way too much turnover to have any clue at this point.

We have 4 new starters on the OL who are all new to the team (only the C is the same). A new TE. A new playcaller and Head coach.

I have a LOT of optimism.
But, is the OL noticeably better? Was Cutler what he was the last few years not because of bad OC's, but because he'd reached his ceiling? Has the Defense run out of time or luck?

That's what we're all going to find out. I do think the Pack should be more worried. simply because with Lovie the Bears would, year-in year-out, stay a good 9/10 win team that they could always beat.

Lovie's teams had high floors, but medium ceilings.
Trestman's ceiling is probably through the roof (Raiders in '02). But then his floor could easily be "Lions bad" (4-12 with loads of talent) too.

Most interesting team in the league this year I think (close run with Phi and KC).

You picked 2 of my favorite LB's in the draft.

I was convinced Bostic was a high-mid round 2 player, even though most of the media labelled him a 3-4, and I rated Khaseem Greene my 3rd best OLB, ahead of Arthur Brown.

How have they looked so far ? (obviously its just been TC and pre-season)

bears6385
09-04-2013, 08:17 PM
You picked 2 of my favorite LB's in the draft.

I was convinced Bostic was a high-mid round 2 player, even though most of the media labelled him a 3-4, and I rated Khaseem Greene my 3rd best OLB, ahead of Arthur Brown.

How have they looked so far ? (obviously its just been TC and pre-season)Bostic has started every pre-season game due to a Williams injury. He has shown big play ability, instincts, and sideline to sideline speed. Needs to work on his pass coverage though. It is going to take some time with Greene, he has flashed ability but still looks like a raw rookie. Special teams will be his thing this year while learning behind Briggs.

bears6385
09-04-2013, 08:25 PM
Not sure on Chi over Cincy.

The Bengals line vs Chi outta be a very interesting matchup, that DL is scary good.This game is as close as the 3 point spread. That Cincy DL does scare me, it will be a huge test for our revamped OL. Now on the other hand the Bengals OL against Peppers, Melton, Paea, Wootton should worry any Cincy fan. They are going to be without their best OLineman (Whitworth) and it is the same line that last year gave up more sacks than the Bears horrible 2012 line.

bears6385
09-08-2013, 06:49 PM
1) Bears......1-0 Against a quality opponet.

2) Lions.....1-0 Bush off to a great start.

3) Vikings....0-1 Ponder sucks.

4) Packers...0-1 Still can't beat Kaepernick & the 9ers.

InsaneBlaze23
09-08-2013, 09:09 PM
Eh, played as good of a game they could. The Niners are beatable by Green Bay, just gotta not make stupid mistakes that get the refs against us. A lot of penalties wasn't called on the Niners. Davis should've been called for a chop block and holding. One of their TD's shouldn't have counted, but like Skip Baseless said on twitter. Doesn't mean they wouldn't got another later.

I saw things that need work and things that looked promising. Eddie Lacy looked promising, just gotta get a better OL to help him out and to keep pressure off Rodgers. Lacy was still able to produce which surprised me considering he played against a top 3 front 7.

Rodgers did his thing but didn't get any help really. Finley caused a pick that really cost them. Dude needs to learn how to not drop the ball or he'll be playing for someone else next season.

The front 7 played well, Matthews was beating on Colin throughout the game. Didn't get help from the secondary.

Really the Packers defense will always be where it is until they get rid of Don Capers. He's holding them back.

bears6385
09-15-2013, 05:11 PM
1) Bears......2-0 Last two times the Bears have started 2-0 have won the division.

2) Lions.....--1-1 Cards better than people give them credit for?

3) Packers....1-1 Win in a rout.

4) Vikings.....0-2 Could not close the deal today.

344051
09-16-2013, 05:50 PM
1) Bears......2-0 Last two times the Bears have started 2-0 have won the division.

2) Lions.....--1-1 Cards better than people give them credit for?

3) Packers....1-1 Win in a rout.

4) Vikings.....0-2 Could not close the deal today.


We were real lucky to come back in that one as the rain was really picking up near the end. What a sloppy game. Cutler had a couple more boneheaded plays. Luckily, the one where he bounced it off the ref's head did not result in an interception. And WHY oh WHY did we pass near the goal line and throw the pic when we were running right through them??? I think we stole one here.

His first interception came at the 1-yard line on a tipped pass intended for tight end Steve Maneri.

A) Why throw on the 1?
B) Who is Steve Maneri?

JohnShaft
09-17-2013, 12:23 AM
We gave away a game. Then stole it back, because it seems the Vikings didn't want to take what they were given.

It was a bad call to throw 1st and Goal at the 1. But Cutler's execution of the play was ten times worse. If he can't get plays like this out of his system then he probably isn't the best option for Trestman's system. What made Cutler's force SO BAD was that it was First Down...

I think Trestman will not give him the benefit of the doubt in such situations in the future. Next time he calls a run...

TH3JUICEMAN
09-17-2013, 02:55 PM
We gave away a game. Then stole it back, because it seems the Vikings didn't want to take what they were given.

It was a bad call to throw 1st and Goal at the 1. But Cutler's execution of the play was ten times worse. If he can't get plays like this out of his system then he probably isn't the best option for Trestman's system. What made Cutler's force SO BAD was that it was First Down...

I think Trestman will not give him the benefit of the doubt in such situations in the future. Next time he calls a run...

Come on John, he's been forcing for how long now? That's Cutlers mantra.

JohnShaft
09-17-2013, 04:18 PM
I know, I know. :/
I hated typing the sentence, but I needed to. I mean, sorry Jay, but QB's like Rodgers, Brady and Manning, like never make plays like that in that situation.

This really is my last hope for him. It's not that he hasn't and can't play well. It's that if you can't remove the bad from your game then when you play the top teams your team is likely toast. Why did the Ravens come from a mediocre season to win the Superbowl last year? Because Flacco was like 12 TD's and 0 picks in the Playoffs. I really, really wonder if Jay has that in him come crunch time.

bears6385
09-17-2013, 05:28 PM
We were real lucky to come back in that one as the rain was really picking up near the end. What a sloppy game. Cutler had a couple more boneheaded plays. Luckily, the one where he bounced it off the ref's head did not result in an interception. And WHY oh WHY did we pass near the goal line and throw the pic when we were running right through them??? I think we stole one here.

His first interception came at the 1-yard line on a tipped pass intended for tight end Steve Maneri.

A) Why throw on the 1?
B) Who is Steve Maneri?In my opinion Cutler's lost fumble was his worst play of the day. That single play kept Minny in the game and cost he Bears points. Maneri was the third read and actually was open, but Jay threw a flat pass that was tipped, where had he thrown it high it would have been either a catch or a throw away.

bears6385
09-17-2013, 05:35 PM
I know, I know. :/
I hated typing the sentence, but I needed to. I mean, sorry Jay, but QB's like Rodgers, Brady and Manning, like never make plays like that in that situation.

This really is my last hope for him. It's not that he hasn't and can't play well. It's that if you can't remove the bad from your game then when you play the top teams your team is likely toast. Why did the Ravens come from a mediocre season to win the Superbowl last year? Because Flacco was like 12 TD's and 0 picks in the Playoffs. I really, really wonder if Jay has that in him come crunch time.But on the flip side Jay has just led two 4th quarter drives for td's that have resulted in wins over two of last years playoff teams. If you look at those games there is a hell of a lot more good than bad in Jay's first two games in a Trestman offense.

JohnShaft
09-17-2013, 08:14 PM
I agree on the fourth quarter heroics. In fact, last year he had the highest 4th quarter QBR in the league.

And to quote todays article from Football Outsiders

So how about Cutler? This start to the season gives him 13 game-winning touchdown passes in his career. That's one more than Drew Brees, as many as Eli Manning and two fewer than Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

However, I still maintain, at least in the last game, his heroics only dug him out of the hole he'd dug the team into. How often does Rodgers dig himself into such holes? Instead he just destroys teams early and puts his feet up. Much more chance of a W that way.

The fumble-6 and goal-line force were both bad, bad plays. And plays he has to leave behind. If he can't then the Packers are still going to own us. And so will Playoff teams, if we get that far.

JohnShaft
09-22-2013, 12:39 PM
However, I still maintain, at least in the last game, his (Cutler's) heroics only dug him out of the hole he'd dug the team into. How often does Rodgers dig himself into such holes?
Rodgers just threw his second pick against the Bengals. And then we hear it's 42 games since he threw more than one pick. That's pretty unreal.

And also why Jay can't turn the ball over often if he wants to lead the Bears to a division win...

InsaneBlaze23
09-22-2013, 04:35 PM
The offense gave it away today. How often does the Packers defense outshine it's offense? How often does the defense constantly put them in winning positions but the offense doesn't take advantage?
That's what happen today, the defense played well with Matthews getting hurt. Rodgers took blame for it during the post game conference as all good leaders do. In which he deserves that blame, those picks wasn't "Well the WR ran the route wrong" type picks. Both was all on Rodgers.

Honestly I think Green Bay will be trying out Michael Turner, Beanie Wells, or Cedric Benson...if not try to trade for a back. Every RB got hurt...besides Kuhn whom is the full back.

Good game though, Bengals took advantage of the offenses failures. Bye week coming up, relax, reset, learn and move onto the next game.

Thors Hammer
09-22-2013, 06:58 PM
Green Bay's problems aren't in the backfield, it's on the offensive line. Both starting Tackles are backups forced into starting roles due to injury and coming into this week, Josh Sitton was leading the league in holding penalties. They've got the bye week to work on a lot of things.

InsaneBlaze23
09-22-2013, 07:22 PM
Green Bay's problems aren't in the backfield, it's on the offensive line. Both starting Tackles are backups forced into starting roles due to injury and coming into this week, Josh Sitton was leading the league in holding penalties. They've got the bye week to work on a lot of things.

You misread my attentions. I wasn't saying they should sign those guys because the backfield is an issue. I said they should get a tryout because Lacy, Starks, and Franklin are injured. Lacy could be back next week or the week after. It's hard to say with concussions. Starks and Franklin we do have to wait till Monday to find out how serious their injures are. I've been saying it since 08 that the Packers have the worst OL in the NFL. Rodgers has been on his back more times than porn stars and it's only week 3. We need a line that can some what protect Rodgers and be aggressive because that's what kind of line Lacy needs to be a success.

bears6385
09-23-2013, 04:58 PM
1) Bears...... 3-0 D caused 5 more turnovers, O has been efficient nothing more early in this season.

2) Lions.....2-1 Decent start to the season, though have not been overpowering in any game on either side of the ball.

3) Packers...1-2 Against a very good defense Rodgers looked human.

4) Vikings....0-3 To early to say their season is already done?

bears6385
10-02-2013, 03:51 PM
1) Lions.....3-1 Odd to see them in first, but they have earned that spot.

2) Bears....3-1 Got whipped on offense, defense, and special teams.

3) Packers...1-2 Bye week.

4) Vikings...1-3 Question in Minny is will Cassel remain the starter?

Thors Hammer
10-02-2013, 04:04 PM
A lot of the Packer fans that I work with are nervous about their chances of making the playoffs. This week's game against the Lions will be a tough match up for them.

fallforward3y+
10-02-2013, 08:14 PM
Green Bay's problems aren't in the backfield, it's on the offensive line. Both starting Tackles are backups forced into starting roles due to injury and coming into this week, Josh Sitton was leading the league in holding penalties. They've got the bye week to work on a lot of things.

Indeed, it seems the offensive line plays a major role in the running game after all lol. That's a major reason why I didn't expect Green Bay to have a great running game this year just due to getting Lacy. Many thought it to just be me claiming Lacy sucked, but the fact is without a good line your only chance of a legit running game is using short passes as one. Unless of course, your scheme is brilliantly designed.

InsaneBlaze23
10-03-2013, 08:58 AM
Indeed, it seems the offensive line plays a major role in the running game after all lol. That's a major reason why I didn't expect Green Bay to have a great running game this year just due to getting Lacy. Many thought it to just be me claiming Lacy sucked, but the fact is without a good line your only chance of a legit running game is using short passes as one. Unless of course, your scheme is brilliantly designed.

Everytime I see you make a post about the Packers it seems you don't watch their games. Eddie Lacy was looking pretty good and so was the run game until he got hurt. The run game was still alive when Franklin and Starks went in...but they both ended up getting hurt too. The Packers run game isn't flashy and is mostly made of 5-7 yard run and big play screens. It could be flashy like the top running teams, but that falls on the OL inabilities. But by no means is the run game absent nor is it struggling, it just isn't where it needs to be and the runners need to be healthy.

As for the Lions, it's gonna be a shootout neither team or fans should expect much defense.

bears6385
10-09-2013, 05:43 PM
1) Lions......3-2 Even with a division loss will hold down first place for another week.

2) Bears.....3-2 Slow start against the Saints killed any hope of winning.

3) Packers...2-2 Division win over the Lions, but the loss of Matthews hurts.

4) Vikings....1-3 Is this the start of the Josh Freeman era?