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100%Broncoholic
07-18-2015, 07:57 AM
Here's how it is done. You put together a team of the best at each position who have never won a Super Bowl .

For example:

QB- Jim Kelly- Buffalo Bills

RB- Barry Sanders-Detroit Lions

Make a full complement of Offense, Defense, and ST (K, P, Returner, LS).

You can do just starters or make the full 53 man roster.

Have some fun and make your teams.

samparnell
07-18-2015, 10:28 AM
QB Dan Marino

RBs Floyd Little and Earl Campbell

TEs Kellen Winslow and Ozzie Newsome

WRs Raymond Berry, Bobby Mitchell and Cris Carter

C Dwight Stephenson

Gs John Hannah and Joe DeLamielleure

Ts Ron Yary and Anthony Munoz

DTs Merlin Olsen and Alan Page

DEs Deacon Jones and Rich Jackson

Backers Randy Gradishar, Tom Jackson and Bob Swenson

Corners Lem Barney and Louis Wright

Safeties Paul Krause and Austin "Goose" Gonsoulin

PK Nate Kaeding

P Bob Scarpitto

KR Mel Gray

PR Rick Upchurch

LS Mike Leach

Rancid
07-18-2015, 04:20 PM
Offense:

QB: John Elway

RB's: Bo Jackson and John Riggins or Larry Csonka

TE's: Mike Ditka and Shannon Sharpe

O-Line: T- Anthony Munoz, G- Gene Upshaw, C- Mike Webster, G- Larry Little, T-Forrest Gregg

WR's: Randy Moss and Jerry RIce

Defense:

Line: Reggie White, Joe Green, Alan Page, Dan Hampton

LB's: Lawrence Taylor, Dick Butkus, Derrick Thomoas

CB's: Mel Blount and Deion Sanders

Safeties: Ronnie Lott and Paul Krause

ST's: Returns: Billy 'White Shoes' Johnson, K: Kevin Bulter, P:Ray Guy

HUMCALC
07-18-2015, 06:30 PM
QB: Dan Marino
RB: Barry Sanders
FB: Joe Perry
WRs: Tim Brown and Cris Carter
TE: Jason Witten
OL: Albert Edwards, Dan Fortmann, Ed Healey, George Trafton, Walt Kiesling
CBs: Champ Bailey, Jack Butler
S: Dick Lane, Ken Houston
LBs: Tom Jackson, Karl Mecklenburg, Randy Grandishar
DL: Merlin Olsen, Doug Atkins, Deacon Jones, Art Donovan
K: Lou Groza
KR: Devin Hester

samparnell
07-18-2015, 08:42 PM
Here's how it is done. You put together a team of the best at each position who have never won a Super Bowl .

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HUMCALC
07-18-2015, 08:44 PM
QB Dan Marino

RBs Floyd Little and Earl Campbell

TEs Kellen Winslow and Ozzie Newsome

WRs Raymond Berry, Bobby Mitchell and Cris Carter

C Dwight Stephenson

Gs John Hannah and Joe DeLamielleure

Ts Ron Yary and Anthony Munoz

DTs Merlin Olsen and Alan Page

DEs Deacon Jones and Rich Jackson

Backers Randy Gradishar, Tom Jackson and Bob Swenson

Corners Lem Barney and Louis Wright

Safeties Paul Krause and Austin "Goose" Gonsoulin

PK Nate Kaeding

P Bob Scarpitto

KR Mel Gray

PR Rick Upchurch

LS Mike Leach

How did Champ not make your list?

samparnell
07-18-2015, 10:02 PM
How did Champ not make your list?

I guess I was in a Louis Wright mood at the time.

100%Broncoholic
07-19-2015, 03:29 AM
Offense:

QB: John Elway

RB's: Bo Jackson and John Riggins or Larry Csonka

TE's: Mike Ditka and Shannon Sharpe

O-Line: T- Anthony Munoz, G- Gene Upshaw, C- Mike Webster, G- Larry Little, T-Forrest Gregg

WR's: Randy Moss and Jerry RIce

Defense:

Line: Reggie White, Joe Green, Alan Page, Dan Hampton

LB's: Lawrence Taylor, Dick Butkus, Derrick Thomoas

CB's: Mel Blount and Deion Sanders

Safeties: Ronnie Lott and Paul Krause

ST's: Returns: Billy 'White Shoes' Johnson, K: Kevin Bulter, P:Ray Guy


QB: Dan Marino
RB: Barry Sanders
FB: Larry Csonka
WRs: Tim Brown and Cris Carter
TE: Jason Witten
OL: Albert Edwards, Dan Fortmann, Ed Healey, George Trafton, Walt Kiesling
CBs: Champ Bailey, Jack Butler
S: Dick Lane, Ken Houston
LBs: Tom Jackson, Karl Mecklenburg, Randy Grandishar
DL: Merlin Olsen, Doug Atkins, Deacon Jones, Art Donovan
K: Lou Groza
KR: Devin Hester

Elway won 2, Csonka won it with Dolphins in 72' as part of the perfect season, and Riggins won it 83' when Redskins beat the Phins

Rancid
07-19-2015, 07:49 AM
Yea, I missed that 'who have never won a Superbowl' thing. Scratch my list.

FL BRONCO
07-19-2015, 10:02 AM
QB: Fran Tarkenton
RB: Barry Sanders
FB: Lorenzo Neal
WRs: Steve Largent/Chris Carter
TE: Kellen Winslow
CBs: Champ Bailey/Louis Wright
S: Paul Krause/Brian Dawkins
LBs: Junior Seau/ Brian Urlacher/ Randy Grandishar
DL: Merlin Olsen/ Jack Youngblood/Ndamukong Suh/ Carl Eller
K: Jason Hanson
KR: Devin Hester

samparnell
07-19-2015, 11:18 AM
QB: Dan Marino
RB: Barry Sanders
FB: Larry Csonka
WRs: Tim Brown and Cris Carter
TE: Jason Witten
OL: Albert Edwards, Dan Fortmann, Ed Healey, George Trafton, Walt Kiesling
CBs: Champ Bailey, Jack Butler
S: Dick Lane, Ken Houston
LBs: Tom Jackson, Karl Mecklenburg, Randy Grandishar
DL: Merlin Olsen, Doug Atkins, Deacon Jones, Art Donovan
K: Lou Groza
KR: Devin Hester

Super Bowl I was played January 1967 after the 1966 AFL/NFL season. Those who played prior to that were pre-Super Bowl guys.

The NFL careers of Albert "Turk" Edwards, Ed Healey, George Trafton and Walt Kiesling ended before the US entered WWII. Dan Fortmann's last NFL season was 1943.

The NFL careers of Jack Butler, Dick "Night Train" Lane and Art Donovan all ended before Super Bowl I.

HUMCALC
07-19-2015, 01:27 PM
Super Bowl I was played January 1967 after the 1966 AFL/NFL season. Those who played prior to that were pre-Super Bowl guys.

The NFL careers of Albert "Turk" Edwards, Ed Healey, George Trafton and Walt Kiesling ended before the US entered WWII. Dan Fortmann's last NFL season was 1943.

The NFL careers of Jack Butler, Dick "Night Train" Lane and Art Donovan all ended before Super Bowl I.

I fixed mine, and I'm using the technicality that these guys never won a SB. The title says nothing about players pre-Super Bowl

brianfrommissou
07-19-2015, 02:02 PM
Just off the top of my head, Marino at QB, and Tony Gonzalez at TE are locks.
Gonna have to think a bit everywhere else.

EddieMac
07-19-2015, 03:22 PM
OK let me have a kick at this: ( only retired players here)


QB - Warren Moon (Just to be a little different)
RB - Barry Sanders, LadAnian Tomlinson, OJ simpson
WR - Steve Largent, Randy Moss, Chris Carter
TE - Tony Gonzalez, kellen Winslow Sr.
G - Brian Waters, Randall McDaniel
T - Anthony Munoz, Dan Dierdorf
C -Bruce Matthews - because he played every position on the line.


CB - Champ ( have to ) Aeneas Williams
Safety - Paul Krause, Larry Wilson
LB - Brian Urlacher, Dick Butkus, Juniour Seau, Derek Thomas
DE - jack Youngblood, Carl Eller, Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones ( so many )
DT Merlin Olsen, Alan Page

samparnell
07-20-2015, 07:07 AM
I fixed mine, and I'm using the technicality that these guys never won a SB. The title says nothing about players pre-Super Bowl

OK, the OP said best players " ... who have never won a Super Bowl." What's the Super Bowl? Since the merger, it's the NFL Championship Game. Prior to that, it was League Championships.

You have five guys on your list who were NFL Champions:

Albert "Turk" Edwards played from 1932-1940, and was on the 1937 NFL Champion Washington Redskins;

Dan Fortmann played from 1936-1943, and was NFL Champion three times with the Chicago Bears, 1940, 1941 and 1943;

George Trafton played from 1920-1932, and was APFA Champion with the Chicago Staleys in 1921 and NFL Champion with the Chicago Bears in 1932;

Walt Kiesling played from 1926-1938, and was NFL Champion in 1936 with the Green Bay Packers;

Art Donovan played from 1953-1961, and was NFL Champion twice with the Baltimore Colts, 1958 and 1959.

brianfrommissou
07-26-2015, 06:56 AM
Probably gonna be hated for this, but, was there ever a better tandem of cornerbacks than Minnefield/Dixon? I know the question is greatest and I dont think either one fits that bill individualy, but as a pair, wow!

As a Chiefs homer, lets throw D. Cherry at safety and Willie Roaf at left tackle in the mix!

At running back, I am a firm believer that Jim Brown was the greatest to ever play the game! His Browns did win championships, but not the "Super Bowl" If he doesnt count, put me in the Barry Sanders camp.

I love this thread!! Its making me think of off the beatin path guys:thumb:

Colorado1876
07-26-2015, 09:05 AM
QB - Warren Moon (Just to be a little different) Warren Moon won 5 Grey Cups. Not relavent, just a fun fact.

Colorado1876
07-26-2015, 09:09 AM
At running back, I am a firm believer that Jim Brown was the greatest to ever play the game! His Browns did win championships, but not the "Super Bowl" If he doesnt count, put me in the Barry Sanders camp.

I love this thread!! Its making me think of off the beatin path guys:thumb:It's too bad that Jim Brown didn't play before free substitution. If he did, he'd not only be the all time leader in rushing, but also kicking, punting, tackling, interceptions, etc. he was a phenomenal athlete. He's also probably the greatest lacrosse player ever.

samparnell
07-26-2015, 10:22 AM
Sammy Baugh passed, punted and played defense. Leo Nomellini and Chuck Bednarik played both ways, too, well into the Sixties. Marion Motley and Jim Brown were both over 5 ypa.

Colorado1876
07-26-2015, 10:49 AM
Sammy Baugh passed, punted and played defense. Leo Nomellini and Chuck Bednarik played both ways, too, well into the Sixties. Marion Motley and Jim Brown were both over 5 ypa.Bednarik was the last 60 minute player in the Pros. He retired in 1962. Sammy Baugh played before free substitution.

General Neyland called free substitution "chicken **** football". Dan Devine pointed out that half of the players don't know how to tackle and the other half don't know how to block. Players today are pale imitations of what they could be if free substitution went away.

Jim Brown would have kicked ass as an outside linebacker.

samparnell
07-26-2015, 12:56 PM
General Neyland, Red Sanders and Bill Barnes were some of the last major college coaches to run the Single Wing. Sanders may be the last coach to win a national championship using the Single Wing.

Colorado1876
07-26-2015, 01:42 PM
General Neyland, Red Sanders and Bill Barnes were some of the last major college coaches to run the Single Wing. Sanders may be the last coach to win a national championship using the Single Wing.The Single Wing is actually quite common today in the high levels of College and increasingly in the NFL. The Double Wing, however, is virtually extinct at highest levels. Urban Meyer's spread option is a variety of the Single Wing.

samparnell
07-26-2015, 06:00 PM
The Single Wing is actually quite common today in the high levels of College and increasingly in the NFL. The Double Wing, however, is virtually extinct at highest levels. Urban Meyer's spread option is a variety of the Single Wing.

The rushing attacks of the Single Wing and Spread Option are very different.

The Single Wing uses down blocks and pullers to get double team blocks at POA. In its full-fledged form, the TB receives the direct snap and does a full spin with two other Backs taking courses towards the meshpoint from different directions showing misdirection.

The Spread Option uses zone blocking which doesn't touch the read man. After taking the direct snap, the QB rides the ball into the RB's belly while reading the unblocked defender. Triple Option can be achieved with a motion man on pitch course, or closer to LOS via shovel pass.

The last NFL team to run the Single Wing was the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1952. Steve Owen ran a variation of the Single Wing called the A Formation (Backs to the short side of an unbalanced line) with the NY Giants. The last season for that was 1953.

The last time the Single Wing was run in major college football was in the 1960s. One of the last major college teams to use it was UCLA under Bill Barnes. Billy Kilmer was a Heisman Trophy candidate Single Wing TB at UCLA in 1960 under Bill Barnes. Knute Rockne used a balanced line Single Wing called the Notre Dame Box.

Some High Schools and small colleges still use the Single Wing. Some HS coaches simplify the TB/QB action to half-spin.

Glenn Warner invented the Single Wing in 1907. His playbook has two formations using an unbalanced line: Single Wing (10 run plays/6 pass plays); Double Wing (11 run plays/5 pass plays); and, Punt Formation (1 Punt/7 run plays/4 pass plays)

Many Single Wing coaches use the Double Wing formation, too. The reason you think it's virtually extinct is because Spread Option is not Single Wing. There are similarities, but it isn't the same offense.

Vince Lombardi was one of "The Seven Blocks of Granite" on the Single Wing line of the great Fordham teams in the 1930s. He was once asked what would happen if the Single Wing returned to pro football. He said, "It would embarrass the hell out of us."

In the 30s and 40s at TCU, Dutch Meyer spread the Single Wing in what some have called the Southwestern Spread. In 1952, he wrote a book Spread Formation Football in which he said that spread formation offenses weren't new.

Sammy Baugh described his passing attack which has similarities to the WCO. Meyer cultivated a short/intermediate passing attack that he told Baugh should have the three Ss: short, sure, safe.

CanDB
07-26-2015, 09:04 PM
Yea, I missed that 'who have never won a Superbowl' thing. Scratch my list.

Technicality......;)

CanDB
07-26-2015, 09:06 PM
Warren Moon won 5 Grey Cups. Not relavent, just a fun fact.

Not so fun given he and his Edmonton team prevented my Winnipeg Blue Bombers of winning those years.

:sad:

(Of course, not even Moon is standing in the way of my team for what seems like forever since we won the Cup!!!!)

fallforward3y+
07-26-2015, 10:11 PM
QB-Marino
RB-Sanders,Tomlinson,Dunn,Taylor
FB-Campbell(we'll make him the FB, even though he was a RB he had a 'FB' running style, and I believe in those days FBs ran the ball more)
WR-Tim Brown,Terell Owens
WR-Randy Moss,Calvin Johnson
TE-Gonzalez,Gates,Sanders,Winslow
OT-Anthony Munoz(honorable mention Willie Roaf)
OG-Will Shields
C-Kevin Mawae
OG-Steve Hutchinson
OT-Walter Jones
DE-Bruce Smith
DT-Merlin Olsen
DT-Pat Williams
DE-Deacon Jones
LB-Jessie Tuggle
LB-Brian Urlacher
LB-Patrick Willis
CB-Champ Bailey
CB-Aeanas Wlliams
S-Paul Krause
S-Ken Houston

I admit, I don't know much about the DBs I listed other than Bailey, more about Krause than the other 2. I've only been a fan that watches NFL Football since 2005, I mainly threw names in there(off of a list that suggested 'best DBs to never win a SB, lol)...I wanted to finish the list.

I didn't divide between OLB and MLB, or LT/RT and LG/RG.

I didn't include players who played before the Super Bowl era, because that seems to defeat the purpose of the thread. It seems it's meant to be about the best players who never were on a Championship team, perhaps to show how great of a roster of players you can have without one that has been a part of a Championship. If a player won a Championship in the league they played in, it doesn't fit into that imo.

fallforward3y+
07-26-2015, 10:36 PM
Bednarik was the last 60 minute player in the Pros. He retired in 1962. Sammy Baugh played before free substitution.

General Neyland called free substitution "chicken **** football". Dan Devine pointed out that half of the players don't know how to tackle and the other half don't know how to block. Players today are pale imitations of what they could be if free substitution went away.

Jim Brown would have kicked ass as an outside linebacker.

I don't think 2 way players could work in these days, it is simply too difficult for teams to keep up with how the league is nowadays. Teams play 'situational football' better than they did in the days of 2 way players imo, using great specialist players in very effective ways. It's difficult to play against a team like that without playing to that game somewhat.

There's also conditioning issues. Can you imagine being a defender playing against a team like the Eagles and also having to start on offense? Players rotate in and out, often not even playing every snap on one side of the ball. If your playing twice(or more than twice)the amount of snaps as the players your facing, it's very difficult to not run out of steam.

In the olden days, some players like Benderik pulled it off, but that was in a different era. The speed of the game has elevated, and many more quick guys to chase around, with teams also spreading defenses out.

baphamet
07-27-2015, 06:00 PM
QB-Marino
RB-Sanders,Tomlinson,Dunn,Taylor
FB-Campbell(we'll make him the FB, even though he was a RB he had a 'FB' running style, and I believe in those days FBs ran the ball more)
WR-Tim Brown,Terell Owens
WR-Randy Moss,Calvin Johnson
TE-Gonzalez,Gates,Sanders,Winslow
OT-Anthony Munoz(honorable mention Willie Roaf)
OG-Will Shields
C-Kevin Mawae
OG-Steve Hutchinson
OT-Walter Jones
DE-Bruce Smith
DT-Merlin Olsen
DT-Pat Williams
DE-Deacon Jones
LB-Jessie Tuggle
LB-Brian Urlacher
LB-Patrick Willis
CB-Champ Bailey
CB-Aeanas Wlliams
S-Paul Krause
S-Ken Houston

I admit, I don't know much about the DBs I listed other than Bailey, more about Krause than the other 2. I've only been a fan that watches NFL Football since 2005, I mainly threw names in there(off of a list that suggested 'best DBs to never win a SB, lol)...I wanted to finish the list.

I didn't divide between OLB and MLB, or LT/RT and LG/RG.

I didn't include players who played before the Super Bowl era, because that seems to defeat the purpose of the thread. It seems it's meant to be about the best players who never were on a Championship team, perhaps to show how great of a roster of players you can have without one that has been a part of a Championship. If a player won a Championship in the league they played in, it doesn't fit into that imo.

thats a pretty decent list but not to sound like a homer but.....no junior seau?

baphamet
07-27-2015, 06:03 PM
OK let me have a kick at this: ( only retired players here)


QB - Warren Moon (Just to be a little different)
RB - Barry Sanders, LadAnian Tomlinson, OJ simpson
WR - Steve Largent, Randy Moss, Chris Carter
TE - Tony Gonzalez, kellen Winslow Sr.
G - Brian Waters, Randall McDaniel
T - Anthony Munoz, Dan Dierdorf
C -Bruce Matthews - because he played every position on the line.


CB - Champ ( have to ) Aeneas Williams
Safety - Paul Krause, Larry Wilson
LB - Brian Urlacher, Dick Butkus, Juniour Seau, Derek Thomas
DE - jack Youngblood, Carl Eller, Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones ( so many )
DT Merlin Olsen, Alan Page

another pretty good one other than QB lol

fallforward3y+
07-27-2015, 08:11 PM
thats a pretty decent list but not to sound like a homer but.....no junior seau?

Actually, your right, take Urlacher off, wasn't thinking about Seau.