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conannilsen
02-26-2016, 03:03 AM
Has the NFL ever kicked tires on a change in the salary cap, as to having something like 25% of a retained players cap space not count against your teams cap if he signs a long term deal there?

It would encourage teams to draft, develop, and retain their players. Players would not have to be convinced to take a hometown discount, but it would be reflected in the cap space.

Example, Miller signs 5 year 100 million, we would get hit 75 mill on our cap, as we drafted him and worked out an extension. If someone stole him for the same contract, they would be hit the full 100 mill. Seems like that would be fair?

Scheyjosh
02-26-2016, 10:39 AM
An interesting idea. It would definitely put a bigger importance on drafting and having a good FO. It could potentially create huge powerhouses though, which could make it unfair for other teams?

conannilsen
02-26-2016, 10:48 AM
Ya, good teams would flourish, but the cap would still fill up. You just wouldn't have to lose all your FA's though. I have hated seeing all the winners get dismantled over the years. It's still up to the newbies to keep you competitive, so the task is the same. A team should be able to lock down the core they drafted and developed. Sub .500 teams waste money on these players anyway. It's what keeps them in the basement.

Sam_Z
03-01-2016, 11:15 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000640441/article/mario-williams-released-by-bills-after-four-seasons

Mario Williams released by Buffalo after only four seasons.

Even though he's not the typical 3-4 Tech defensive end and if we can't resign the Malik Jackson, should we pursue Mario Williams if the price is reasonable?

Could he flourish in Wade Phillips defense being reunited with some of his old coaches even though he's not the typical 3-4 defensive end that Wades system requires.

What do you guys think?

Yakka27
03-01-2016, 11:52 AM
No.

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CanDB
03-01-2016, 01:48 PM
Likely too much money for too much uncertainty.

samparnell
03-02-2016, 10:26 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000640441/article/mario-williams-released-by-bills-after-four-seasons

Mario Williams released by Buffalo after only four seasons.

Even though he's not the typical 3-4 Tech defensive end and if we can't resign the Malik Jackson, should we pursue Mario Williams if the price is reasonable?

Could he flourish in Wade Phillips defense being reunited with some of his old coaches even though he's not the typical 3-4 defensive end that Wades system requires.

What do you guys think?

He's a 31 year old, ten year vet, so he's probably near the end of his career. He played two seasons as a 4/5 tech in an odd front D: 2013 in Mike Pettine's D at Buffalo; and, 2015 in Rex Ryan's D coordinated by Dennis Thurman. He did well in 2013 (13 sacks/38 tackles, Pro Bowl) and not so well last year (5 sacks/19 tackles). For seven years of his career he was 9 tech in a split front D. Maybe he would do well in Wade's D and maybe not. He would need to be cheap, and would play in a rotation.

baphamet
03-02-2016, 10:53 AM
i think its safe to say the broncos fans should pretty much forget about bringing in any big money FA's this off season. maybe if they got him for really cheap but someone with more cap space will likely over pay, like the raiders.

uknflfan
03-02-2016, 12:09 PM
He's a 31 year old, ten year vet, so he's probably near the end of his career. He played two seasons as a 4/5 tech in an odd front D: 2013 in Mike Pettine's D at Buffalo; and, 2015 in Rex Ryan's D coordinated by Dennis Thurman. He did well in 2013 (13 sacks/38 tackles, Pro Bowl) and not so well last year (5 sacks/19 tackles). For seven years of his career he was 9 tech in a split front D. Maybe he would do well in Wade's D and maybe not. He would need to be cheap, and would play in a rotation.

In 2013 under Mike Pettine he played as an OLB, not a 4/5 tech DE. In 2015 he did play some 3-4 DE, but played more snaps as an OLB. He spent 1 year in Wade's D in Houston (and was injured after 5 games), but in those 5 games he played as an OLB. So essentially, the only year he saw snaps as a 4/5 tech was easily his worst year in the league.

Williams is an edge rusher and would not fit into Malik's role at all well. We are stacked at OLB as well as being cap strapped, so I don't think Williams makes any sense for us.

samparnell
03-02-2016, 02:15 PM
In 2013 under Mike Pettine he played as an OLB, not a 4/5 tech DE. In 2015 he did play some 3-4 DE, but played more snaps as an OLB. He spent 1 year in Wade's D in Houston (and was injured after 5 games), but in those 5 games he played as an OLB. So essentially, the only year he saw snaps as a 4/5 tech was easily his worst year in the league.

Williams is an edge rusher and would not fit into Malik's role at all well. We are stacked at OLB as well as being cap strapped, so I don't think Williams makes any sense for us.

I'll take your word for it. Pro-Football-Reference lists him as LB in 2011 and DE in 2013/2015. Since Buffalo was in an odd front in 2013/2015, DE would mean 4/5 tech.

Football Data Base also lists him as DE in 2013. Maybe there is confusion over terminology.

I don't follow the Bills, so IDK exactly where he lined up during those seasons. I guess I'd have had to have seen every snap, like the way I watch the Broncos. Specific information is sometimes hard to find.

broncolee
03-02-2016, 03:40 PM
The one time Wade asks him to drop back in coverage, he'll complain that he's not rushing the passer enough.🙄

He's a 4-3 DE

CDUB1620
03-07-2016, 08:25 PM
I thought this was a cool story, but part of that is because I'm still a huge Marshall fan.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29607621/wr-brandon-marshall-returns-denver-share-his-story

Royal Flush
03-07-2016, 08:33 PM
Great read, it's nice to see him doing well and giving back to the community.

Butler By'Note
03-07-2016, 09:26 PM
Great story, I'm glad that Brandon Marshall 1.0 has been able to get his life back on track, he went from a guy who looked like he was going to quickly find himself out of the NFL because of his antics, to a guy who is a leader and a very good person. Credit to him for that.

I also had no idea about Tyrone Braxton, I kind of remember the arrest story, but didn't know about everything else, I'm glad he got his life back on track as well.

Fantaztic7
03-07-2016, 09:37 PM
Thanks for sharing this story. Great for Tyrone Braxton! Hopefully Manziel can get right.

CDUB1620
03-07-2016, 10:38 PM
Great story, I'm glad that Brandon Marshall 1.0 has been able to get his life back on track, he went from a guy who looked like he was going to quickly find himself out of the NFL because of his antics, to a guy who is a leader and a very good person. Credit to him for that.

I also had no idea about Tyrone Braxton, I kind of remember the arrest story, but didn't know about everything else, I'm glad he got his life back on track as well.

I was also unaware about the details of Braxton as well. That makes the story that much better...players giving back. I love it.

broncoslover115
03-08-2016, 05:06 AM
I am very proud of him and his willingness to confront his mental health issues. I am even more proud of the fact that he has talked about it openly and is doing things to help others as well. Borderline Personality Disorder is a highly stigmatized diagnosis. His doctor at the McClean Institute here in Boston was concerned for him about announcing it because of the great stigma surrounding it.

He decided to talk about it anyway. I am very glad he did. Proud of you Brandon. You've come a long way.

dizzolve
03-10-2016, 04:07 AM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14938272/kansas-city-chiefs-docked-two-draft-picks-fined-tampering-pursuit-jeremy-maclin-2015

tisk tisk tisk

MDN1959
03-10-2016, 11:19 AM
Good for Miami but not Denver cause money and ego.

Taos_Broncomaniac
03-12-2016, 12:04 PM
Report: Martavis Bryant facing one-year suspension

Posted by Mike Florio on March 12, 2016, 1:48 PM EST

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Martavis Bryant apparently hasn’t chosen football over marijuana.

Dejan Kovacevic of dkpittsburghsports.com reports that Bryant is “facing a season-long suspension.”

If this flows from the continuation of issues that Bryant said after serving a four-game suspension in 2015 “are behind me now,” it’s unclear why Bryant has skipped over the 10-game suspension and went straight to what would be, technically, a banishment with the ability to apply for reinstatement after one calendar year passes. It’s possible that, while facing a 10-game suspension for a violation of the policy, Bryant committed a separate violation.

Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, confirming the report, adds that Bryant’s agent says the suspension has been appealed. With final say for these infractions now possessed by an independent panel of arbitrators, negotiations between the NFL and the union can be much more meaningful.

If Bryant misses the full season, it would be a huge blow to one of the best offenses in the NFL, and it would possibly force the Steelers to try to find another mid-to-late-round receiving gem, a skill they have developed and perfected over the last decade with guys like Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown, Markus Wheaton, and Bryant.

Last year’s third-round receiver, Sammie Coates, would have a chance to step up. Or maybe they’d bring back Wallace, who was cut last week by the Vikings.

For now, the chase will begin for confirmation of the report from Kovacevic, who previously worked for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Elaboration also will be needed before the situation can be fully understood.

If Bryant, one of the best receivers in the NFL, misses the season because of marijuana, it will be even more reason for the NFL to take a serious look at the sensibility of telling players that they can’t consume on their own time a substance that is legal to use for all purposes in two of the 22 states in which the NFL does business

LSIGRAD09
03-14-2016, 10:48 AM
Whooooops.

broncoslover115
03-14-2016, 11:34 AM
Not filing an appeal. While I feel bad for people who have drug and alcohol issues, this is quite refreshing - taking responsibility for his actions. Rather sad though.

xX-Bronco-Xx
03-14-2016, 01:32 PM
Getting paid millions should be incentive enough to stop smoking weed....

Taos_Broncomaniac
03-14-2016, 04:29 PM
Getting paid millions should be incentive enough to stop smoking weed....

Ricky Williams all over again, so glad Von got past that bump in the road.

Sadly the Steelers seem to find good receivers anywhere they look...

Justblaze2729
03-16-2016, 03:55 AM
Michael David Smith

In the most surprising trade of the year so far, Chandler Jones is heading from New England to Arizona

Jones has been traded from the Patriots to the Cardinals in exchange for guard Jonathan Cooper and a second-round draft pick, Adam Schefter and Dianna Russini of ESPN report.


https://www.google.com/amp/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/15/patriots-trade-chandler-jones-to-cardinals/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon#

-Rod-
03-16-2016, 06:09 PM
If Elway is targeting Paxton Lynch, this is bad news. The Cardinals won't be so desperate for pass rush in the 1st round and they might want Lynch learning behind Carson Palmer. Lynch's arm is perfect for Arians' vertical passing game and the Cardinals' willingness to roll the dice on Logan Thomas because of his physical traits tell me they should like Lynch a lot. Elway might have to make a deal and move up.

bronx_2003
03-16-2016, 06:39 PM
If Elway is targeting Paxton Lynch, this is bad news. The Cardinals won't be so desperate for pass rush in the 1st round and they might want Lynch learning behind Carson Palmer. Lynch's arm is perfect for Arians' vertical passing game and the Cardinals' willingness to roll the dice on Logan Thomas because of his physical traits tell me they should like Lynch a lot. Elway might have to make a deal and move up.

I can't see him falling out the top 20. I know he's raw but someone with his talent and skillset won't last long.

I have him going to the Saints at 12

Rastic
04-05-2016, 03:00 PM
I heard the news this morning and was a little surprised nothing has been posted here about it.

The short version:


NFL345 (NFL Communications Dept.)
‏@NFL345
National Football League and Twitter Announce Streaming Partnership for Thursday Night Football http://tinyurl.com/hs6vlvn

Twitter beat out bids from Facebook, Yahoo, Amazon and Verizon.

Articles are everywhere but a couple from NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/05/473099436/twitter-wins-nfl-deal-to-stream-2016-thursday-night-football) and Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/twitter-said-to-win-nfl-deal-for-thursday-night-streaming-rights)

No details have been released about the "hows" of it all.

The biggest point that stuck out to me was Twitter will pay roughly $1 million to stream each game. For comparison, Yahoo paid $17 million for last year's game in London (or $20 mill depending on your source :confused:). Obviously the London game was a bigger draw, but still.

Twitter's deal does not affect current deals with mobile streaming from Verizon or broadcasters with rights. So the NFL is essentially re-selling the feed to another outlet.

Can you hear that? (cha-ching)

+7 for Twitter

Of course, nobody has mentioned that all play-by-play will be limited to 150 characters or less... :goofy:

broncoslover115
04-05-2016, 04:01 PM
I heard the news this morning and was a little surprised nothing has been posted here about it.

The short version:



Twitter beat out bids from Facebook, Yahoo, Amazon and Verizon.

Articles are everywhere but a couple from NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/05/473099436/twitter-wins-nfl-deal-to-stream-2016-thursday-night-football) and Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/twitter-said-to-win-nfl-deal-for-thursday-night-streaming-rights)

No details have been released about the "hows" of it all.

The biggest point that stuck out to me was Twitter will pay roughly $1 million to stream each game. For comparison, Yahoo paid $17 million for last year's game in London (or $20 mill depending on your source :confused:). Obviously the London game was a bigger draw, but still.

Twitter's deal does not affect current deals with mobile streaming from Verizon or broadcasters with rights. So the NFL is essentially re-selling the feed to another outlet.

Can you hear that? (cha-ching)

+7 for Twitter

Of course, nobody has mentioned that all play-by-play will be limited to 150 characters or less... :goofy:

The question I heard asked today was whether people using Twitter to watch would be able to tweet at the same time? Apparently they won't be able to so they made a big oops on this one. I don't use Twitter at all but it would seem that most people who do would want to tweet during it and they didn't do something to allow that to happen. Sounds dumb to me.

Rastic
04-05-2016, 04:50 PM
The question I heard asked today was whether people using Twitter to watch would be able to tweet at the same time? Apparently they won't be able to so they made a big oops on this one. I don't use Twitter at all but it would seem that most people who do would want to tweet during it and they didn't do something to allow that to happen. Sounds dumb to me.

Yeah, I've wondered about that question too though I don't use twitter. Considering most people use Twitter on their phones, having a live video stream with real-time tweets from millions of people would make the tweets practically useless - no one could keep up. I suspect there is some kind of integration with stream and tweets but how it will all work out seems a mystery at the moment.

I also wonder how Twitter plans to make revenue on this. Subscription? Ad supported? Of course Twitter still has yet to show a profit so forking over almost $20 million might not be a big deal.