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RainyTX
08-06-2016, 09:33 AM
I had 7 VIP passes to Texans camp this morning so I figured I'd go check it out. I know all players have bad days but Brock looked terrible. Every ball had the same downward trajectory, lots of check downs and inaccurate passes. Savage looked the best out of the 3 qb's.

Sam_Z
08-06-2016, 09:37 AM
I had 7 VIP passes to Texans camp this morning so I figured I'd go check it out. I know all players have bad days but Brock looked terrible. Every ball had the same downward trajectory, lots of check downs and inaccurate passes. Savage looked the best out of the 3 qb's.
Sounds like BO but he got paid, can't fault him for that but he is going to receive some harsh abuse now.
Especially from the Houston media if he don't play up to that ridiculous contract.

Thanks for the update. :thumb:

East Coast Fan
08-06-2016, 09:37 AM
Maybe reality is sinking in and he's thinking "what was I thinking, WHY did I leave Denver????" :P

RainyTX
08-06-2016, 09:43 AM
He's probably thinking the heat index is 110 degrees down here, this I ridiculous. I'll try and post some pics when I get home.

Broncodoodle
08-07-2016, 11:34 AM
I remember that downward trajectory... Drove me nuts.

TheAsianPA
08-07-2016, 12:48 PM
He's probably thinking the heat index is 110 degrees down here, this I ridiculous. I'll try and post some pics when I get home.

Yeah Houston regularly hits 90% humidity saturation with 100 degree weather. Some of my friends have commented after mission trips in africa that the weather was better there than in houston summertime. I don't envy Brock at all right now

Houshmazode
08-07-2016, 01:06 PM
We'll never forget you, Brent!

-Rod-
08-07-2016, 01:49 PM
The Houston Chronicle posted an article yesterday praising Tom Savage's performance in training camp.

I remember the Denver media reporting multiple times that Osweiler did not look good in practice, even beyond his rookie season.

This newborn rivalry with the Texans will be quite interesting. We have their former coaches (Kubiak, Phillips, Kollar, Herring, Pariani, Knapp, etc) and they have our former QB.

Lynch will probably be constantly compared to Osweiler, like a race to see who comes out on top. The same goes to the offensive systems ran by Kubiak and O'Brien.

DrunkPanda
08-07-2016, 02:16 PM
I'm actually grateful that he decided to run away and cry like a baby. I was adamantly against us giving him a large contract during the offseason (Elway was willing to give too much for him, no idea why). Luckily we didn't have to pay for the mistake Elway tried to make.

I really don't understand why the media hyped him up so much last year, it really didn't make sense. He didn't even play that well, but he got all the credit for his wins when they were mainly due to the defense. You would think he had been putting up prime Peyton Manning numbers in his starts, the way the media talked about him

DrunkPanda
08-07-2016, 02:19 PM
I remember that downward trajectory... Drove me nuts.

Not only the downward trajectory, but the fact that his release point was down near his shoulder most of the time. The ball would go whizzing by defensive linemen's helmets half the time. He's lucky he didn't have even more balls deflected than he did

Bterres105
08-07-2016, 03:02 PM
The Houston Chronicle posted an article yesterday praising Tom Savage's performance in training camp.

I remember the Denver media reporting multiple times that Osweiler did not look good in practice, even beyond his rookie season.

This newborn rivalry with the Texans will be quite interesting. We have their former coaches (Kubiak, Phillips, Kollar, Herring, Pariani, Knapp, etc) and they have our former QB.

Lynch will probably be constantly compared to Osweiler, like a race to see who comes out on top. The same goes to the offensive systems ran by Kubiak and O'Brien.

Well technically, Kubes, Dennison, Pariani, and Phillips were ours to begin with!

sendacash
08-07-2016, 03:38 PM
You know what, I think this is one of those win-win situations in that Brock is better of in Houston and we are better off going in another direction. Brock was probably a good fit for a Peyton Manning type of offense, but from what I could tell he was not an ideal match for Kubiak's system. Although more mobile than Manning, he just did not look that comfortable in this offense in my opinion. Although this leaves us a bit high and dry with some uncertainty going into this season, I think it will work out for the better in the long run.

-Rod-
08-07-2016, 03:44 PM
Well technically, Kubes, Dennison, Pariani, and Phillips were ours to begin with!

Yes, but the fact that they formed a crew that was fired/not retained by the Texans adds some fuel to the fire. These coaches were deemed "not good enough" by Bob McNair and now Brock Osweiler thinks the Texans are a better fit for him than the Broncos. To add even more fuel to the fire, the Texans just had to watch Kubiak and his staff win a Super Bowl with another franchise. I think it's gonna be an interesting game with something extra at stake, some sort of bragging rights, "I told you so". I expect out defense to be very motivated for that game.

Bterres105
08-07-2016, 04:39 PM
Yes, but the fact that they formed a crew that was fired/not retained by the Texans adds some fuel to the fire. These coaches were deemed "not good enough" by Bob McNair and now Brock Osweiler thinks the Texans are a better fit for him than the Broncos. To add even more fuel to the fire, the Texans just had to watch Kubiak and his staff win a Super Bowl with another franchise. I think it's gonna be an interesting game with something extra at stake, some sort of bragging rights, "I told you so". I expect out defense to be very motivated for that game.

Yeah I know, but I've always considered them the Houston Broncos seeing as they poached our coaching staff, along with Myers, Nick Ferguson, and Joel dreesen

Jim Mora
08-07-2016, 04:40 PM
Maybe reality is sinking in and he's thinking "what was I thinking, WHY did I leave Denver????" :P
He obviously had a bad experience in Denver and didn't want to come back regardless of money.

But I think you guys were gonna overpay him anyway, so I think it worked out well for you.

-Rod-
08-07-2016, 08:30 PM
He obviously had a bad experience in Denver and didn't want to come back regardless of money.

Yeah, learning from Peyton Manning, winning a championship and getting paid. A terrible, terrible experience.

Jim Mora
08-08-2016, 06:25 AM
Yeah, learning from Peyton Manning, winning a championship and getting paid. A terrible, terrible experience.

You may think it was great looking from the outside, but obviously Brock didn't want to come back here.

Bronco51
08-08-2016, 06:33 AM
You may think it was great looking from the outside, but obviously Brock didn't want to come back here.

Yeah, money has that effect on people.

Jim Mora
08-08-2016, 09:26 AM
Yeah, money has that effect on people.

I get the feeling that more money than the Houston contract offer would not have brought Brock back to Denver. To me it seemed like he wanted out.

Bronco51
08-08-2016, 11:07 AM
I get the feeling that more money than the Houston contract offer would not have brought Brock back to Denver. To me it seemed like he wanted out.

Ummm, no. The most money, the best defense, the clear starter. No player or agent turns that down, no matter what the feelings are. But, I'm happy Denver didn't feel the need to unload that kind of cash on him.

Jim Mora
08-08-2016, 11:13 AM
Ummm, no. The most money, the best defense, the clear starter. No player or agent turns that down, no matter what the feelings are. But, I'm happy Denver didn't feel the need to unload that kind of cash on him.
Broncos source: "This is not a surprise. It was clear to John (Elway) last week that (Osweiler) didn’t want to be here."

http://milehighsports.com/report-it-was-clear-to-john-elway-that-brock-osweiler-wanted-to-leave/

EddieMac
08-08-2016, 11:25 AM
Ok lets go with who cares why he left. he is gone. we have a newly drafted QB to watch.

Good bad or ugly for the Texans, it will be fun to watch.

Strip Sacked
08-08-2016, 11:28 PM
Elway still seems kinda sore about it. And I can see why. His plan to have a fully developed QB after Peyton didn't pan out.

On the bright side we used our money to lock down one of the best pass rushers of this generation and have built a stable top 5 defense for the next 4-5 years.

dizzolve
08-09-2016, 03:09 AM
post some pix :)

Peerless
08-10-2016, 08:53 AM
Osweiler just wasn't worth that type of money that he was asking for, or that he got.

Simple as that..

samparnell
08-10-2016, 09:34 AM
Osweiler just wasn't worth that type of money that he was asking for, or that he got.

Simple as that..

Bill O'Brien has been through eight QBs in the past two years. If Osweiler doesn't come through for Houston this year, he may find himself learning a new offense in 2017.

DrunkPanda
08-11-2016, 05:58 PM
Bill O'Brien has been through eight QBs in the past two years. If Osweiler doesn't come through for Houston this year, he may find himself learning a new offense in 2017.

Something tells me he won't care if that happens. He still got his guaranteed $34 million for playing 7 games. I bet there's a lot of players in the league that wish they could get $5M for every game they played...

-Rod-
08-12-2016, 11:14 PM
I'm watching this film study of Osweiler:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBs3zEwnmJM&ab_channel=BrettKollmann

Dang, look at the wide open receivers he missed.

He basically lost that Raiders game, even with Schofield's fiasco.

First of all, Kubiak's offense does a great job getting these receivers open. Ironically, Osweiler wants an even more complex and pass-happy offense to command.

Atwnbroncfan
08-13-2016, 12:07 AM
I'm watching this film study of Osweiler:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBs3zEwnmJM&ab_channel=BrettKollmann

Dang, look at the wide open receivers he missed.

He basically lost that Raiders game, even with Schofield's fiasco.

First of all, Kubiak's offense does a great job getting these receivers open. Ironically, Osweiler wants an even more complex and pass-happy offense to command.

That miss throw to Green in the end zone at the 3:50 mark is egregious.

My favorite quote: "Brock Osweiler is loaded with intangibles" LOL

The guy then derailed himself with. "Brock took the better supporting cast, took the guy better at developing QBs".

The first point? Maybe, but debatable. O'Brien is better at developing QBs? What the heck is this guy talking about. That guy has developed 0 QBs. Not one.

-Rod-
08-13-2016, 12:43 AM
That miss throw to Green in the end zone at the 3:50 mark is egregious.

My favorite quote: "Brock Osweiler is loaded with intangibles" LOL

The guy then derailed himself with. "Brock took the better supporting cast, took the guy better at developing QBs".

The first point? Maybe, but debatable. O'Brien is better at developing QBs? What the heck is this guy talking about. That guy has developed 0 QBs. Not one.

Both Green and Daniels were in positions to score, but I could not believe when Osweiler missed Sanders all alone on the other play.

The film study was nice, but the Texan homerism eventually kicked in.

DrunkPanda
08-14-2016, 09:49 AM
I'm watching this film study of Osweiler:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBs3zEwnmJM&ab_channel=BrettKollmann

Dang, look at the wide open receivers he missed.

He basically lost that Raiders game, even with Schofield's fiasco.

First of all, Kubiak's offense does a great job getting these receivers open. Ironically, Osweiler wants an even more complex and pass-happy offense to command.

What cracks me up the most about this is that he's vocalizing the fact that he's angry about being benched WHEN WE WON THE SUPER BOWL! How dumb is that? I mean, if we had lost with Peyton then I could understand him talking to the media about being angry since then it could be argued that the decision cost us a super bowl.

But we won.... he really has no justification for being angry. Kubiak turned out to be objectively correct in his decision... I honestly don't think we would have won, or even made it to the Super Bowl with Osweiler.

In each playoff game, Peyton had some clutch drives to give us the lead and then didn't make any big mistakes that cost us the game afterwards. Do you have total confidence that Osweiler would have done the same? I don't

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Osweiler basically "Tebow-ed" his way through those 7 games. He played pretty bad but we won due to dominating defense, a good running back, and a good bit of luck. And the media blew him up to be amazing and acted like he was THE reason we won those games for some inexplicable reason


Also, I just started watching the video and it's hilarious how biased this guy is. "Osweiler may have missed two touchdown passes in the first half of the Raiders game, but make no mistake, the offensive line and receivers are the reason they lost". We lost by 3 points.... how does this guy justify that patently absurd remark?

dizzolve
08-14-2016, 11:23 AM
What cracks me up the most about this is that he's vocalizing the fact that he's angry about being benched WHEN WE WON THE SUPER BOWL! How dumb is that? I mean, if we had lost with Peyton then I could understand him talking to the media about being angry since then it could be argued that the decision cost us a super bowl.

But we won.... he really has no justification for being angry. Kubiak turned out to be objectively correct in his decision... I honestly don't think we would have won, or even made it to the Super Bowl with Osweiler.

In each playoff game, Peyton had some clutch drives to give us the lead and then didn't make any big mistakes that cost us the game afterwards. Do you have total confidence that Osweiler would have done the same? I don't

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Osweiler basically "Tebow-ed" his way through those 7 games. He played pretty bad but we won due to dominating defense, a good running back, and a good bit of luck. And the media blew him up to be amazing and acted like he was THE reason we won those games for some inexplicable reason


Also, I just started watching the video and it's hilarious how biased this guy is. "Osweiler may have missed two touchdown passes in the first half of the Raiders game, but make no mistake, the offensive line and receivers are the reason they lost". We lost by 3 points.... how does this guy justify that patently absurd remark?

Yeah - he can't say 'I told you so' or anything, but he's got a right to be upset he was benched imho. Doesn't mean he's right.

And this video was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff. But not everything. He claimed Denver was a 'loser' in the Brock to Houston deal and maybe that was the case when that deal went down. But the Broncos figured out a solution asap and we're now witnessing just what that plan was. I think we have a lot to be excited about.

And not once did the video creator mention the fact that the Broncos had to leave cap room for Von's deal. Think about that. If Denver kept Osweiller but couldn't afford Von, then where would we be? I'm not sure we were in that situation exactly - but maybe Denver just didn't think that was worth the risk. Turns out they have what looks to me to be a physically better Brock in Paxton, who appears to have a lot of the same attributes - only better. Now Brock DID make a lot of clutch plays for us last season. I'm more than happy to acknowledge that. And I'm so happy he did. And so maybe he can be a really solid if not top 10 QB for the rest of his career. Doesn't matter to me anymore. But that was a very interesting video to watch so thanks for posting.

One other thing I did disagree with him about is how he compared Bill Obrien to Kubiak and claimed Obrien is the better QB coach. Now I don't know OBrien that well, but Kubiak doesn't take a back seat to anyone in that department I think.

Lots of those Brock decisions were made last season with one thing in mind. Win the SuperBowl and worry about consequences later. So if one of the costs of those Superbowl Rings was to lose Brock, where do I sign - --deal

nmfiredawg
08-14-2016, 04:52 PM
Anybody watching the game. Oz doesn't seem to have that pocket presence. Throws look bad too.

Butler By'Note
08-14-2016, 04:53 PM
Just watching Osweiler now, he's doing a great job of throwing for 4 on 3rd and long, and now just on 4th down he stared down his receiver and it was knocked away. On what was probably his final drive, he finishes 4/7 for 27 yards, 1 carry for 3 yards and was sacked once.

First preseason game, but he's going to need to get better for the $18 million pay day.

Butler By'Note
08-14-2016, 04:53 PM
Anybody watching the game. Oz doesn't seem to have that pocket presence. Throws look bad too.


Right at the receivers shoe tops a lot of times.

-Rod-
08-14-2016, 04:53 PM
I will be forever thankful to Brock for allowing Paxton Lynch to become a Bronco.

DrunkPanda
08-14-2016, 05:06 PM
I just tuned in and they pulled Osweiler out of the game, so I didn't see but I hope he played as bad as it sounds like he did. Savage looks decent though, I'm going to root for him to win the starting job :D

Jim Mora
08-15-2016, 06:52 AM
You guys should be glad Elway didn't pay him what he was gonna pay him. But you guys would not have won home field advantage and hence the Superbowl without Oz last year. So he was good for you guys last year.

samparnell
08-15-2016, 07:50 AM
I will be forever thankful to Brock for allowing Paxton Lynch to become a Bronco.

Plus, Denver will probably get a third round compensatory pick for him.