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flosstein
10-30-2016, 04:16 PM
We need a big fumble and recovery right here.

kev5ifty6
10-30-2016, 04:16 PM
I haven't been this frustrated with the SD ground game since LT was in his prime.

I remember those days. He used to torch us

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:16 PM
lol everyone knew where the ball was going there.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:16 PM
Defense is the ONLY reason we MIGHT win this game. Despite their softness this drive.

Exactly, lets not suddenly turn on the defense as if they are what is wrong here...

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:16 PM
Run defense sucks this year.

kapzk
10-30-2016, 04:16 PM
3 more stops

kingelway7
10-30-2016, 04:17 PM
A Booker fumble and settling for 3 on the last drive has cost them 11 points.

ebsoria
10-30-2016, 04:17 PM
:incomplete:.....

LASERLIPS
10-30-2016, 04:17 PM
Offense will need to step up big time here in a few minutes.

kapzk
10-30-2016, 04:17 PM
2 more stops

BHPizza
10-30-2016, 04:17 PM
I guess this is what happens when your offense is so inept they can't even take advantage of your defense handing them the game on a silver platter.

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:17 PM
And of Course Ware is getting held yet no call.

ebsoria
10-30-2016, 04:18 PM
Another... :incomplete:

outofstatefan
10-30-2016, 04:18 PM
Cross your fingers guys! Broncos have never won the AFC WEST while losing both games to Chargers.

dizzolve
10-30-2016, 04:18 PM
D Ware is an amazing athlete

as old as he is

He so fresh right now

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:18 PM
I'm so glad Ware is back though.

WyoSoldier
10-30-2016, 04:18 PM
Your key word is MIGHT. the Defense is in the position to either win or lose the game

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:18 PM
Need one more Stop D.

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:18 PM
Man, Gates was open. That was close

ebsoria
10-30-2016, 04:18 PM
Three straight :incomplete:

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:19 PM
Ware you beautiful old beast!

LASERLIPS
10-30-2016, 04:19 PM
What a stand!!!! Nice job there, D.

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:19 PM
Nice job D.

ebsoria
10-30-2016, 04:19 PM
And a fourth :incomplete:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:19 PM
Doss!!!!!!

Broncoyearound
10-30-2016, 04:19 PM
All right a defensive stop! One first down should do it

Venom
10-30-2016, 04:19 PM
Huge stand

ABQBronco25
10-30-2016, 04:19 PM
And of Course Ware is getting held yet no call.

I'm definitely glad to see him out there on the field though. His leadership has been sorely missed. Not to mention his on the field IQ.

Nuts4koi
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
Great play by Doss. If he intercepted that, he'd still be running.

VADER72
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
Ok offense, nothing stupid now

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
Now no safety or turnover offense. Just hold onto it.

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
this defense kinda got bailed out by really bad playcalling down there.

CDUB1620
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
...and nothing

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
Doss looks so freaking good! Man we're set for the future.

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
Good game Doss!

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
Whooo defense! Don't screw this up, offense

Bootleg
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
Big play Doss!

LASERLIPS
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
OK, offense. We need a couple of big first downs here.

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
NICE!!! Our offense owes our defense another win! Our O should be bowing before our D game after game. And Norwood can do the dishes!

kingelway7
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
We can't stop the run and the Chargers decide to throw it 4 straight times inside the 5.

Wow

LSIGRAD09
10-30-2016, 04:20 PM
Man, this is tense.

WyoSoldier
10-30-2016, 04:21 PM
Way to throw up The Wall at the goal line, Defense.

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:21 PM
Doss looks so freaking good! Man we're set for the future.

Agreed, he's really been playing well.

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:21 PM
this defense kinda got bailed out by really bad playcalling down there.

San Diego really should have ran it at least two times, they were gashing us with the run that whole drive

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:21 PM
Now lets not go 3 and out and Punt lets just end it run out the clock do something productive.

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:21 PM
We can't stop the run and the Chargers decide to throw it 4 straight times inside the 5.

Wow

yea we got lucky. But good stand, now close this game!

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:21 PM
Now no safety or turnover offense. Just hold onto it.

I agree. Don't know why they didn't run the ball. They would have scored from that close by running.

broncoslover115
10-30-2016, 04:21 PM
Please take care of the ball

Bates
10-30-2016, 04:22 PM
A few first downs and this game is done.

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:22 PM
Dennison called those last few plays for SD.

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:22 PM
Either our O goes three and out, or Trev throws a pick.

LASERLIPS
10-30-2016, 04:22 PM
Find Virgil.

rkymntskier
10-30-2016, 04:22 PM
Let's pretend we are 5 and 2 and get a first down

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:22 PM
I'm so tense right now...

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:22 PM
Broncos should run a qb sneak right here to get a little room

LASERLIPS
10-30-2016, 04:23 PM
Dennison called those last few plays for SD.

LOL. Yep.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:23 PM
Can we just punt on second down?

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
No..............

broncoslover115
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
This Oline is making me crazy.

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
There was no hold there.

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
Okung, what are you doing?!

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
More great play from Okung. So glad we picked him up from Seattle.

Fantaztic7
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
Seriously that was not holding...

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
Wow SD Wasted a TIme out there?

ABQBronco25
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
Our line is so bad w holding penalties, we now have an entire new reason to fear being backed up on the 1. May as well just do 3 QB sneaks.

VADER72
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
We can't get out of our own way

Fantaztic7
10-30-2016, 04:24 PM
More great play from Okung. So glad we picked him up from Seattle.

That was not holding...

Nuts4koi
10-30-2016, 04:25 PM
Great clock management Dolts.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:25 PM
Good thing we can just outright cut NOkung....

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:25 PM
I think what bothers me about Siemian is that he has no emotion. The QB is the leader. Not asking for him to be over the top but show some.

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:25 PM
God this Offense can't do anything.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:25 PM
LOL "the penalty stopped the clock so they didn't call a time out"

Or maybe they did....idiots....

-Rod-
10-30-2016, 04:25 PM
That wasn't holding at all.

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
How about that Dixon....

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
Dixon with a clutch kick...

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
That was a Nice Punt by Dixon

flosstein
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
I swear we need to make the trade for JT and stop tooling around with this hack at LT. Should've just paid Clady

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
Wow! Where did the punt come from? That's like twice as far as Dixon is physically capable of kicking

WyoSoldier
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
I totally don't get the play calling this game.

kingelway7
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
Riley Dixon finally with a great punt!

ebsoria
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
GREAT kick!! Needed that bad!

broncoslover115
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
This offense can't even get a 1st down to put the game away. Pitiful

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
Great job Dixon!!!

Was there ANY doubt about us not getting the first down???

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
His best kick ever. Wow.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
I think what bothers me about Siemian is that he has no emotion. The QB is the leader. Not asking for him to be over the top but show some.

What doesn't bother you about him?

Fantaztic7
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
Great punt Dixon.....

Bates
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
That was almost another holding safety. This is getting unreal.

Nuts4koi
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
Dixon got off a Huuuuuge punt.

LASERLIPS
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
Wow, Dixon comes through with a nice punt. I've criticized him a lot, but give the kid his props when he earns it.

EddieMac
10-30-2016, 04:26 PM
just when you sit here and go great here is our kick punter now..... then he does one for 68 yards.....

BHPizza
10-30-2016, 04:27 PM
God this Offense can't do anything.

They're really good at wasting opportunities. Does that count for something?

CDUB1620
10-30-2016, 04:27 PM
When we needed a great punt...Dixon delivered.

Bootleg
10-30-2016, 04:27 PM
That was an awesome punt

Njbroncofan1
10-30-2016, 04:27 PM
Holy crap what a kick

LSIGRAD09
10-30-2016, 04:27 PM
Nice Punt!

flosstein
10-30-2016, 04:28 PM
The look on DT's face, and what he said pretty much expressed all our frustrations about this offense.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:28 PM
And now the crowd is back into it.

ABQBronco25
10-30-2016, 04:28 PM
I don't think people have been fair to Dixon so far. How many times is he asked to punt from deep in Denver territory every game. His average is a little lower than Colquitt's was, but his salary justifies it IMO.

In any case, great timing for the best punt of his career.

CDUB1620
10-30-2016, 04:28 PM
Dixon shows flashes of being great, and has improved since the off-season imo

Bates
10-30-2016, 04:28 PM
Nice punt but this game is far from over. Also I was all for the throw on 3rd down there.

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:28 PM
I think what bothers me about Siemian is that he has no emotion. The QB is the leader. Not asking for him to be over the top but show some.

Maybe he went to the Jay Cutler School of Passionate Leadership???

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:28 PM
What doesn't bother you about him?

I honestly can't find anything good about him. I don't see him having much growth. You can prove me wrong though.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:29 PM
Dixon shows flashes of being great, and has improved since the off-season imo

And he doesn't cost us 3.5 million that we don't have. That's the part people so quickly forget.

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:29 PM
I don't think people have been fair to Dixon so far. How many times is he asked to punt from deep in Denver territory every game. His average is a little lower than Colquitt's was, but his salary justifies it IMO.

In any case, great timing for the best punt of his career.

Well, if it was another of his 35 yards punts, you might be thinking a little different.

arapaho
10-30-2016, 04:29 PM
Miller time...you got the money...now finish it

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:29 PM
The look on DT's face, and what he said pretty much expressed all our frustrations about this offense.

I missed what he said.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:29 PM
I honestly can't find anything good about him. I don't see him having much growth. You can prove me wrong though.

I have no desire to do that...I'll let him do it for me as the season goes on. seems like a waste of time to debate back and forth with you.

kev5ifty6
10-30-2016, 04:29 PM
I swear we need to make the trade for JT and stop tooling around with this hack at LT. Should've just paid Clady

What would you give up for him? I say Thomas for Thomas. They need a WR and we need a LT. No point in having DT when you don't have time to let a play develop down field to get him the ball.

Bootleg
10-30-2016, 04:29 PM
The look on DT's face, and what he said pretty much expressed all our frustrations about this offense.

They've been inept today, to put it nicely.

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:29 PM
Maybe he went to the Jay Cutler School of Passionate Leadership???

You see where that hasn't gotten Cutler

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 04:30 PM
It's Miller time!

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:30 PM
our whole d line was held on that play

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:30 PM
Lets go defense!!!

ebsoria
10-30-2016, 04:30 PM
:incomplete:

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:30 PM
:incomplete:

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:31 PM
Jared Crick is like JJ Watt jr. So many passes batted down

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 04:31 PM
Up the Crick without a paddle!

ebsoria
10-30-2016, 04:31 PM
Second :incomplete:

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:31 PM
Between the yards he's put on us and what he did to wade...Man I hate Melvin Gordon...punk....

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:31 PM
2 more stops D.

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:31 PM
Yeah, Crick!!!

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:31 PM
they have a lot of blockers on Von

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:31 PM
You see where that hasn't gotten Cutler

Yup... hence my point.

KWHIT97
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
Just once I wish we could put a divisional opponent away when we need too.

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
One More Stop D.

LASERLIPS
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
D-Ware is causing all kinds of havoc today.

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
I missed DWare so much

ABQBronco25
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
Well, if it was another of his 35 yards punts, you might be thinking a little different.

On the list of issues that this team has, punting is of lower priority than this O line.

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
4th and long, let's go!

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
Ware almost got to Rivers. So close.

Elway
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
one play for the win boys!

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:32 PM
Yup... hence my point.

I didn't realize screaming and yelling won football games. Why doesn't the ever so emotional phillip rivers have a superbowl ring?

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
haha! I like it when Phillip Rivers is sad

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
Just once I wish we could put a divisional opponent away when we need too.

We just did.

Peanut
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
Second :incomplete:

That little guy has been busy today.

ebsoria
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
:incomplete: for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ABQBronco25
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
IN-COM-PLETE!! Looks like Wolfe gave Rivers a nice parting gift.

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
Yes. Our ball. Love it, love it!

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
We just did.

Yep...win by 1 or a 100 a win is a win is a win.

The rest of the whining and complaining around here doesn't matter we won...

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
Whew... another "escape" for a win courtesy ENTIRELY of our defense. Our offense should be washing their jockstraps.

kev5ifty6
10-30-2016, 04:33 PM
I didn't realize screaming and yelling won football games. Why doesn't the ever so emotional phillip rivers have a superbowl ring?

Lol, cry me a Phillip River

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:34 PM
Ohh, that was close to a late hit by Wolfe. Surprised it wasn't called.

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 04:34 PM
Just once I wish we could put a divisional opponent away when we need too.

Dude the AFC West is going to be tough this year it's probably the best Division in the AFC. SD is a very High Powered offense they actually could be right where we are it if they didn't blow 4 of those games because they were on top of their opponents.

VADER72
10-30-2016, 04:34 PM
Whew!!!!!!

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:34 PM
Good game, offensive line and playcalling still a lot of work to do. I like Siemian.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:34 PM
Our non-emotional QB just beat the emotional one.

I'll take a Broncos QB any day of the week, game over...Enjoy it!

DrunkPanda
10-30-2016, 04:34 PM
Our defense pretty much outscored our offense in this game. If you count those interception returns inside the Chargers 10 yard line as scores

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:34 PM
That little guy has been busy today.

Is "little guy" our nickname for ebsoria?

LASERLIPS
10-30-2016, 04:35 PM
I need a drink. Good win!

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:35 PM
I'll take the win, but that was ugly. Run defense is terrible, terrible, terrible. Our OL isn't far behind.

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:35 PM
I didn't realize screaming and yelling won football games. Why doesn't the ever so emotional phillip rivers have a superbowl ring?

PASSION (and talent) wins football games. Brady, Favre, Manning, Elway, need I go on???

Njbroncofan1
10-30-2016, 04:35 PM
This defense will be exhausted by week 11

worldsoutro
10-30-2016, 04:35 PM
Offense played lights out

Bates
10-30-2016, 04:35 PM
My sphincter can now relax. Time for a shower. That was a sweaty one for me!

kingelway7
10-30-2016, 04:36 PM
With the Raiders next week, this was a big win.

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 04:36 PM
I don't know why people need an emotional QB. I like an unemotional one.

AZ Snake Fan
10-30-2016, 04:36 PM
.





Great Stop Defense !
Thank you Broncos !!
carr, you're next !!!

Brakshow
10-30-2016, 04:36 PM
Our non-emotional QB just beat the emotional one.

I'll take a Broncos QB any day of the week, game over...Enjoy it!

Amen Brotha!!!

Trevor had a bad night. That's ok. Rivers had a worse night, and our defense rocked. Soon I bet this offense starts clicking but the ones complaining about it need to get over it because we're not going to get a better QB than TS this year. So lets hope he improves instead of slamming him for what you feel is not improving fast enough.

Red_Label
10-30-2016, 04:36 PM
Our non-emotional QB just beat the emotional one.

I'll take a Broncos QB any day of the week, game over...Enjoy it!

Way to give Trev credit for our defense's win. Good stuff.

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:37 PM
I didn't realize screaming and yelling won football games. Why doesn't the ever so emotional phillip rivers have a superbowl ring?

I didn't asked for him to scream and yell. I asked for him to act like he's the leader of the offense

Dotst
10-30-2016, 04:37 PM
How did SD have so many rushing yards on us? I feel like they did nothing the whole game

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 04:37 PM
PASSION (and talent) wins football games. Brady, Favre, Manning, Elway, need I go on???

Montana, Unitas, Starr...need I go on? There's plenty of ways to win.

Bootleg
10-30-2016, 04:37 PM
Way closer than it should have been, should have won by at least 3 scores, but a win is a win, a divisional won all that more important :salute:

Reggie Herring did a good job calling plays for the D, glad the reports on Wade's leg are false.

Fantaztic7
10-30-2016, 04:38 PM
Crick played great...

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:39 PM
Montana, Unitas, Starr...need I go on? There's plenty of ways to win.

You can win with your play on the field but I don't think he can do that.

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:39 PM
My sphincter can now relax. Time for a shower. That was a sweaty one for me!

Careful, don't relax to quickly. :laugh:

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 04:41 PM
You can win with your play on the field but I don't think he can do that.

We're 6-1 with Siemian as the starting QB.

Rastic
10-30-2016, 04:42 PM
Way closer than it should have been, should have won by at least 3 scores, but a win is a win, a divisional won all that more important :salute:

Reggie Herring did a good job calling plays for the D, glad the reports on Wade's leg are false.

Agreed, if Booker scores, or at least doesn't kill the drive with the fumble, we're up 24 - 7. That would have been huge.

I missed the hit on Coach Phillips. I too am glad to hear that everything we are now hearing is positive.

Fantaztic7
10-30-2016, 04:42 PM
My sphincter can now relax. Time for a shower. That was a sweaty one for me!

Too much information lol.....

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:42 PM
We're 6-1 with Siemian as the starting QB.

We're 6-1 because of the defense.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 04:42 PM
San Diego always puts up a fight, it wasn't going to be easy, good win.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 04:44 PM
We're 6-1 because of the defense.

Broncos have a good defense, is this news to some people??

Weird day around here....

Seattle_Cat
10-30-2016, 04:44 PM
How did SD have so many rushing yards on us? I feel like they did nothing the whole game

Gordon was superman today.

Nuts4koi
10-30-2016, 04:44 PM
I know the Victory Formation means you're going to win the game, but I really hate it. I truly believe a team should have to try to make a positive play every time they are on offense. I think it would make the game far more interesting.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:45 PM
PASSION (and talent) wins football games. Brady, Favre, Manning, Elway, need I go on???

It's the kids 7th game....7. If people like you were in charge Manning who you named never would have made it outside of his first season throwing all of those interceptions. Passion and talent are great, but he's only played a handful of games. He's still learning.

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:46 PM
I know the Victory Formation means you're going to win the game, but I really hate it. I truly believe a team should have to try to make a positive play every time they are on offense. I think it would make the game far more interesting.

I agree but you would hate to see someone get injured.

Emancipator
10-30-2016, 04:46 PM
Good game Broncos

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:46 PM
We're 6-1 because of the defense.

Last I checked Trevor has 8 TD's...The defense didn't score those. We're 6-1 as a team.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:47 PM
Broncos have a good defense, is this news to some people??

Weird day around here....

He's been trying to put trevor on the bench the entire day....

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:49 PM
Last I checked Trevor has 8 TD's...The defense didn't score those. We're 6-1 as a team.

Don't forget the 4 INTS.

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 04:49 PM
We're 6-1 because of the defense.

While the defense is a big part of our winning, I stated a fact. We are 6-1 with Siemian as our starting QB. Another fact: We are 0-1 with the same defense without Siemian. Until they change, the numbers tell us we can win with Siemian.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 04:50 PM
He's been trying to put trevor on the bench the entire day....

Ah I see.

Yeah, cause that move would make sense lol...

People can't be serious.

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 04:51 PM
Don't forget the 4 INTS.

I'll take a 2:1 ratio for a QB in his second year and first year of experience. Instead of comparing Siemian to the careers of all time greats, how does he stack up with the good QBs at the same point in their careers?

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 04:53 PM
Don't forget the 4 INTS.

4 in 7 starts is actually really good. That puts him on pace for just 9 on the year.

broncoslover115
10-30-2016, 04:54 PM
I have to say I've never been this mad over a win. We are putrid on offense. There is zero creativity down in the Red Zone. I mean, come on. We do nothing different. I am steaming right now. That game should have been a freaking blowout, not biting my fingernails down to the core.

The constant penalties by the Oline. OMG, I want to vomit. Norwood....are you kidding me. Get him off the team right now.
So, why don't we try and do something like that great play where we pretend to run, and move the TE out....use Virgil more in the RZ. Nope it's the stupid run, run, pass for no gain. FG.

If we can't get the ball into the EZ on the original play...catch by DT, pick by Ward, etc. We just can't score 7. It's really ridiculous how awful the play calling and the execution is right now.

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:54 PM
Let's see how Siemian will play the next two weeks against the Raiders and Saints.

TheAsianPA
10-30-2016, 04:55 PM
Ugly win...but we've all seen way uglier wins.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 04:55 PM
Don't forget the 4 INTS.

Would you rather have Manning's INT's from last year??? seriously....

dizzolve
10-30-2016, 04:55 PM
Dixon probably gets the MVP for special teams today. He hit a couple nice punts today. That last one really made a difference for us

TheAsianPA
10-30-2016, 04:55 PM
What I want to know is why haven't we started Sunshine over nor wood yet?

Emancipator
10-30-2016, 04:57 PM
Good game. We will need to click on all parts of offense next week. Defense was pretty good.

dizzolve
10-30-2016, 04:57 PM
4 in 7 starts is actually really good. That puts him on pace for just 9 on the year.

That stupid announcer jinxed Trev on that INT. Just before the play he was harping on how Trev hasn't thrown any INTS........ then - of course.... boom INT

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 04:59 PM
That stupid announcer jinxed Trev on that INT. Just before the play he was harping on how Trev hasn't thrown any INTS........ then - of course.... boom INT

Jinx? Really?

Dotst
10-30-2016, 05:00 PM
Jinx? Really?

I've seen a lot of announcers say " so and so hasn't thrown an INT in X games" almost the next play, INT. Happened last year with Aron Rogers

Nuts4koi
10-30-2016, 05:01 PM
I agree but you would hate to see someone get injured.

You're right I would. But how bad is it if someone gets hurt in the victory formation? I know it's happened, just can't give a good example.

RainyTX
10-30-2016, 05:01 PM
I'm in the minority but watching Siemian makes me sick to my stomach. There's no confidence from the playcalling to the QB play. Take away the cincy game which was a fluke and he's 4tds and 4ints in 5 games. Hard to believe Lynch could do any worse.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 05:03 PM
I have to say I've never been this mad over a win. We are putrid on offense. There is zero creativity down in the Red Zone. I mean, come on. We do nothing different. I am steaming right now. That game should have been a freaking blowout, not biting my fingernails down to the core.

The constant penalties by the Oline. OMG, I want to vomit. Norwood....are you kidding me. Get him off the team right now.
So, why don't we try and do something like that great play where we pretend to run, and move the TE out....use Virgil more in the RZ. Nope it's the stupid run, run, pass for no gain. FG.

If we can't get the ball into the EZ on the original play...catch by DT, pick by Ward, etc. We just can't score 7. It's really ridiculous how awful the play calling and the execution is right now.

This isn't an offensive team, been that way for 2 years now.

We will win and lose on the defense

nickmeyer
10-30-2016, 05:04 PM
We won but our Oline needs addressing Elway better make a play before Tuesday.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 05:04 PM
I'm in the minority but watching Siemian makes me sick to my stomach. There's no confidence from the playcalling to the QB play. Take away the cincy game which was a fluke and he's 4tds and 4ints in 5 games. Hard to believe Lynch could do any worse.

Atlanta..........

MarkB
10-30-2016, 05:05 PM
Good win :goz::thumb:

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 05:05 PM
I'm in the minority but watching Siemian makes me sick to my stomach. There's no confidence from the playcalling to the QB play. Take away the cincy game which was a fluke and he's 4tds and 4ints in 5 games. Hard to believe Lynch could do any worse.
And take away his first game where he had 2 INTs, and Siemian would have 8 TDs and 2 INTs.

BTW, if there was no confidence in Siemian, why did we throw to Sanders and deep to DT on that late drive?

RainyTX
10-30-2016, 05:07 PM
I'm just going with what I see. Can you honestly say you're confident when he drops back to pass?

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 05:08 PM
I'm in the minority but watching Siemian makes me sick to my stomach. There's no confidence from the playcalling to the QB play. Take away the cincy game which was a fluke and he's 4tds and 4ints in 5 games. Hard to believe Lynch could do any worse.

Llynch proved he can do worse just look at the Atlanta game. Kept overthrowing his Recievers. I don't get why people want him to be a starter maybe in a year or so yeah but the guy is not ready.

BR0NCOFANATIC
10-30-2016, 05:09 PM
I'm in the minority but watching Siemian makes me sick to my stomach. There's no confidence from the playcalling to the QB play. Take away the cincy game which was a fluke and he's 4tds and 4ints in 5 games. Hard to believe Lynch could do any worse.

I'm with you. I don't know what people see in him

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 05:09 PM
I'm just going with what I see. Can you honestly say you're confident when he drops back to pass?
I'm just going by what I see. I feel very good about Siemian, especially considering how young and inexperienced he is.

Nutdotnet
10-30-2016, 05:11 PM
We won against a good team (just beat us and Atlanta) and people are complaining?

Trevor is getting better each week. He's no Brady but he can get the job done. You guys have to remember....2nd year 7th round draft pick.

Good lord....some fans you are.

RainyTX
10-30-2016, 05:12 PM
I'm with you. I don't know what people see in him

Same here, he's completely emotionless on the field. I'm convinced it boils down to the fact he's far ahead of Lynch when it comes to knowing the system.

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 05:12 PM
I'm with you. I don't know what people see in him

I see a QB that doesn't get rattled, is smart, well liked by his team mates, has a quick release with zip on his throws, is accurate, will likely improve with more experience, all while playing behind a bad Oline and is 6-1 as a starter.

RainyTX
10-30-2016, 05:13 PM
I see a QB that doesn't get rattled, is smart, well liked by his team mates, has a quick release with zip on his throws, is accurate, will likely improve with more experience, all while playing behind a bad Oline and is 6-1 as a starter.
8 Td's in 7 games is below average buddy

BigOBroncoFan
10-30-2016, 05:15 PM
And u think Paxton can do better? With this O line its hard to do anything especially with the Predictable Playcalling. Our Opponents know when we are going to run or pass. at times. The QB isn't the problem

nickmeyer
10-30-2016, 05:17 PM
Siemian is not the problem the Oline is. He does need to find his 2nd and 3rd option at times but cant do that when you have a crappy Oline that can not pass block. TE are open and he doesnt see them so he needs to work on that but overall he is a cool calm kid who if put behind a better line would excel. Elway make whatever trade you need to, and do it tonight to get this Oline fixed its a mess.

armedequation
10-30-2016, 05:22 PM
8 Td's in 7 games is below average buddy

Thats the argument? Hes below average in tds? I will take below average in td throws but is 6-1 every day of the week...

RainyTX
10-30-2016, 05:26 PM
Thats the argument? Hes below average in tds? I will take below average in td throws but is 6-1 every day of the week...

Because of the defense. The offense gave the chargers every opportunity to win the game today.

RainyTX
10-30-2016, 05:27 PM
Thats the argument? Hes below average in tds? I will take below average in td throws but is 6-1 every day of the week...
He's average in general. If he played for any other team y'all would be talking about how terrible he is. I'm a homer but to a certain extent.

listopencil
10-30-2016, 05:27 PM
Siemian is not the problem the Oline is. He does need to find his 2nd and 3rd option at times but cant do that when you have a crappy Oline that can not pass block. TE are open and he doesnt see them so he needs to work on that but overall he is a cool calm kid who if put behind a better line would excel. Elway make whatever trade you need to, tonight to get this Oline fixed its a mess.

I agree. We are not getting it done in pass pro and it is hurting our Offense. I'm not sure if I want to look at the replay this time. I don't want to be frustrated with a win.

lvbronx
10-30-2016, 05:27 PM
8 Td's in 7 games is below average buddy

Irrelevant as you're changing the point. I responded to your question about what people see in Siemian, not if his TD total was above or below average, buddy.

But yes, his 8 TDs is below average at this point in time, as are his INTs too. But his 6-1 record is well above average.

Don't ask questions if you don't want answers. I get it, you don't like him. I do and so does Kubiak and Kube's opinion is the only one that matters.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 05:27 PM
Siemian is not the problem the Oline is. He does need to find his 2nd and 3rd option at times but cant do that when you have a crappy Oline that can not pass block. TE are open and he doesnt see them so he needs to work on that but overall he is a cool calm kid who if put behind a better line would excel. Elway make whatever trade you need to, and do it tonight to get this Oline fixed its a mess.

Maybe he will finally pull off the Joe Thomas trade

listopencil
10-30-2016, 05:29 PM
Maybe he will finally pull off the Joe Thomas trade


Kick Okung inside to LG if that happens?

Rastic
10-30-2016, 05:32 PM
Maybe he will finally pull off the Joe Thomas trade

LT is part of the equation but the interior isn't getting the job done either on running plays. If the line can establish the run it will only help a young QB, especially in an offense that uses PAP.

nickmeyer
10-30-2016, 05:35 PM
Kick Okung inside to LG if that happens?

No Okung to RT

listopencil
10-30-2016, 05:35 PM
No Okung to RT

Stephens to LG?

nickmeyer
10-30-2016, 05:36 PM
No Okung to RT

Yes, this will help the run game.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 05:42 PM
LT is part of the equation but the interior isn't getting the job done either on running plays. If the line can establish the run it will only help a young QB, especially in an offense that uses PAP.

Less than 90 yards rushing 5 out of 8 games isn't good, especially in an offense predicated on the run game.

listopencil
10-30-2016, 05:44 PM
LT is part of the equation but the interior isn't getting the job done either on running plays. If the line can establish the run it will only help a young QB, especially in an offense that uses PAP.

It's not really getting the job done on pass plays either. So even though we can't run block at least we can't pass pro either...oh, wait. That's not a good thing is it?

broncoslover115
10-30-2016, 05:45 PM
What I want to know is why haven't we started Sunshine over nor wood yet?

That's a good question.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 05:45 PM
8 Td's in 7 games is below average buddy

Exact same number as Carson Wentz, and more than Dak Prescott, 2 guys everybody has been praising. Go figure.....

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 05:47 PM
That's a good question.

Whoever started the term "Norwooded" during the game deserves a prize.

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 05:50 PM
Trevor Siemian's stats are irrelevant. He's playing extremely well within a system that is not well suited to get big passer stats. The play calling and overall offensive philosophy is atrocious to be generous, which is in fact a bigger issue than the oline.

TheAsianPA
10-30-2016, 06:07 PM
Why is Trevor getting this much hate? For the most part his role is to be a ball manager, not throwing 5 TD's a game. He's not Brady, Rogers, Matt Ryan, or Cam Newton. As long as he gets it to the redzone and lets the run game take over that's really all this team needs, as well as points from the defense. It won't happen every game, but Trevor does enough that we should recognize the upgrade from last year

nickmeyer
10-30-2016, 06:08 PM
Trevor Siemian's stats are irrelevant. He's playing extremely well within a system that is not well suited to get big passer stats. The play calling and overall offensive philosophy is atrocious to be generous, which is in fact a bigger issue than the oline.

No it really is the Oline it pains me to watch this game again but I am and they are terrible.

cmc0605
10-30-2016, 06:10 PM
Why is Trevor getting this much hate? For the most part his role is to be a ball manager, not throwing 5 TD's a game. He's not Brady, Rogers, Matt Ryan, or Cam Newton. As long as he gets it to the redzone and lets the run game take over that's really all this team needs, as well as points from the defense. It won't happen every game, but Trevor does enough that we should recognize the upgrade from last year

It is an easy target for people who do not really get football. "The next QB" is always a fan favorite until they play a couple games and see the lows.

dizzolve
10-30-2016, 06:10 PM
I don't see how anyone could have more confidence in Pax than Trevor after seeing his start. Granted the OL was quite porous but it's the same line Trevor's playing behind.

With our elite receivers, accuracy is a major factor. It's more important than the raw ability to extend plays or run for a 1st down a couple times a game. Paxton wasn't just inaccurate for his start, it shook my confidence in Paxton to be honest. I figure it's just rookie stuff and resign myself to patience.

I do wish Pax was ready too. But that start of his was scary.

RainyTX
10-30-2016, 06:14 PM
It is an easy target for people who do not really get football. "The next QB" is always a fan favorite until they play a couple games and see the lows.

Is this directed toward me?

KWHIT97
10-30-2016, 06:14 PM
Every game Siemien has 3-4 throws that hit the defenders right in the chest and they drop it. He seems to rush his throws and can't be counted on in the clutch. That being said, he is still probably our best option right now. If the run game isn't going, our offense is in trouble.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 06:15 PM
Why is Trevor getting this much hate? For the most part his role is to be a ball manager, not throwing 5 TD's a game. He's not Brady, Rogers, Matt Ryan, or Cam Newton. As long as he gets it to the redzone and lets the run game take over that's really all this team needs, as well as points from the defense. It won't happen every game, but Trevor does enough that we should recognize the upgrade from last year

He's playing as well as the other first year starters, which is actually somewhat impressive considering the poor o-line and lack of a running game.

listopencil
10-30-2016, 06:15 PM
No it really is the Oline it pains me to watch this game again but I am and they are terrible.

Oh, man. You're already watching it again? You poor guy. I probably will during the week but I'm giving it some time. I know I'm going to be pissed at the line.

TheAsianPA
10-30-2016, 06:16 PM
It is an easy target for people who do not really get football. "The next QB" is always a fan favorite until they play a couple games and see the lows.

Aka That Atlanta Game. Yikes...

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 06:18 PM
Every game Siemien has 3-4 throws that hit the defenders right in the chest and they drop it. He seems to rush his throws and can't be counted on in the clutch. That being said, he is still probably our best option right now. If the run game isn't going, our offense is in trouble.

If only almost interceptions counted.....

listopencil
10-30-2016, 06:19 PM
Every game Siemien has 3-4 throws that hit the defenders right in the chest and they drop it. He seems to rush his throws and can't be counted on in the clutch. That being said, he is still probably our best option right now. If the run game isn't going, our offense is in trouble.

He had some inaccurate throws today. Ball placement was an issue and quite a few times it looked like he was throwing to a route that wasn't being run. I don't think it's true that he can't be counted on in the clutch though. He's made clutch throws several times this year.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 06:31 PM
8 Td's in 7 games is below average buddy

No one player on this offense is performing well...The problem is you feel you need a scapegoat. One magic bullet that will fix it all. The problem is we've already seen that so called "Magic Bullet" and he ain't that...He's not going to just magically make this team better. The only thing that will magically fix this is if the o-line suddenly remembers how to block in the run and pass game. Until that happens you could put Tom Brady back there and look like crap.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 06:32 PM
Because of the defense. The offense gave the chargers every opportunity to win the game today.

Who cares who wins it...You don't get bonus points depending on which side of the ball gets it. What if you put Paxton in there and he's worse? Suddenly we're out of the playoffs. Barring injury, you aren't going to see TS. If that bothers you, oh well, but it's a fact.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 06:33 PM
Kick Okung inside to LG if that happens?

Can we kick him to the curb instead?

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 06:41 PM
He had some inaccurate throws today. Ball placement was an issue and quite a few times it looked like he was throwing to a route that wasn't being run. I don't think it's true that he can't be counted on in the clutch though. He's made clutch throws several times this year.

The clutch comment was strange. He's been great in the 4th quarter in most games. Siemian's problem has been he starts so slow, it seems to take him a long time to get into a rhythm.

Broncos-R-Great
10-30-2016, 06:43 PM
Can we kick him to the curb instead?

His holding calls have been killers. I remember Seattle fans warning us about that when we signed him.

-Rod-
10-30-2016, 06:50 PM
Today Kubiak delivered what most people have been asking for. More runs to the outside, Virgil Green getting his targets, offense taking deep shots to make the defense back away. Janovich is playing with a cast on the right hand, so that's why he was limited today and did not get the carry at the goal line when Kubiak called the FB dive with Juwan Thompson.

That deep pass to DT is exactly what needs to happen more often if we're going to pay elite money for a WR. The guy is 6'3, he's stronger than CBs, so let it fly and give him a shot even if the CB is all over him. The deep shots worked wonders today. DT, Sanders and Green had big gains.

The issues on offense are the poor OL and turnovers. The defense did a great job getting 3 interceptions against Rivers, but our offense gave it right back with 3 very costly turnovers: 1 fumble in the redzone, 1 fumble near the goal line and a pick-six. I thought the holding call against Okung was a bogus call and it was almost a safety.

I doubt there will be any more trades in the next two days. Get used to this OL because that's what we have for this season.

Cnon
10-30-2016, 06:57 PM
Great win today! :salute::salute::logo::logo:

TheAsianPA
10-30-2016, 07:05 PM
Today Kubiak delivered what most people have been asking for. More runs to the outside, Virgil Green getting his targets, offense taking deep shots to make the defense back away. Janovich is playing with a cast on the right hand, so that's why he was limited today and did not get the carry at the goal line when Kubiak called the FB dive with Juwan Thompson.

That deep pass to DT is exactly what needs to happen more often if we're going to pay elite money for a WR. The guy is 6'3, he's stronger than CBs, so let it fly and give him a shot even if the CB is all over him. The deep shots worked wonders today. DT, Sanders and Green had big gains.

The issues on offense are the poor OL and turnovers. The defense did a great job getting 3 interceptions against Rivers, but our offense gave it right back with 3 very costly turnovers: 1 fumble in the redzone, 1 fumble near the goal line and a pick-six. I thought the holding call against Okung was a bogus call and it was almost a safety.

I doubt there will be any more trades in the next two days. Get used to this OL because that's what we have for this season.

yes, this is the hand we are dealt. I think it is safe to say at this point as well that the OL is not going to improve, but at best maintain it's current form. The WR's talent is there, and as far as I can see, they are both getting separation, just not fast enough for the OL. The fact of the matter is is that this OL does not give Trevor any time to make throws even to the TE's, let alone WR's. We should honestly be grateful that this defense is finding ways for this offense to win. Because looking at the drives, only one touchdown was earned by the offense, the rest were generated by the defense. Which in this case, is fine, because there is always more than one way to win a game, but depending on your defense to bail you out like that every game is like playing russian roulette. One of these day's you're not going to get that lucky.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 07:27 PM
His holding calls have been killers. I remember Seattle fans warning us about that when we signed him.

I want him to be good, but dang it man...stop holding PLEASE!!!

listopencil
10-30-2016, 07:29 PM
Today Kubiak delivered what most people have been asking for. More runs to the outside, Virgil Green getting his targets, offense taking deep shots to make the defense back away. Janovich is playing with a cast on the right hand, so that's why he was limited today and did not get the carry at the goal line when Kubiak called the FB dive with Juwan Thompson.

That deep pass to DT is exactly what needs to happen more often if we're going to pay elite money for a WR. The guy is 6'3, he's stronger than CBs, so let it fly and give him a shot even if the CB is all over him. The deep shots worked wonders today. DT, Sanders and Green had big gains.

The issues on offense are the poor OL and turnovers. The defense did a great job getting 3 interceptions against Rivers, but our offense gave it right back with 3 very costly turnovers: 1 fumble in the redzone, 1 fumble near the goal line and a pick-six. I thought the holding call against Okung was a bogus call and it was almost a safety.

I doubt there will be any more trades in the next two days. Get used to this OL because that's what we have for this season.

I'm kind of torn on what to do about the O-Line. If they pull off a trade for some studly star Tackle then they have to shuffle everything around mid-season which is usually a bad thing. I've seen specific guys have some really bad plays (or even games) and it's tempting to just say 'OK. Replace that guy and it will get better'-but just like last season with Schofield a lot of the problems seem to come when TE's go out in routes so I'm holding out hope that playcalling can fix some of that. But we also can't afford to just eliminate TE routes from our playbook. At this point can they be expected to get better? Is there time for them to develop better cohesiveness since there have been missed games here and there? As of right now I'm really wary of trading for O-Line Jesus to fix everything because I'm not so sure it would work.

Freyaka
10-30-2016, 07:32 PM
I'm kind of torn on what to do about the O-Line. If they pull off a trade for some studly star Tackle then they have to shuffle everything around mid-season which is usually a bad thing. I've seen specific guys have some really bad plays (or even games) and it's tempting to just say 'OK. Replace that guy and it will get better'-but just like last season with Schofield a lot of the problems seem to come when TE's go out in routes so I'm holding out hope that playcalling can fix some of that. But we also can't afford to just eliminate TE routes from our playbook. At this point can they be expected to get better? Is there time for them to develop better cohesiveness since there have been missed games here and there? As of right now I'm really wary of trading for O-Line Jesus to fix everything because I'm not so sure it would work.

Honestly...I think trading at this point is a bad idea...You need to leave what little chemistry we have intact and hope we can grow. If you shuffle the line, you are essentially starting at square one. Any trades that happen now, should have happened before the season.