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BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 11:01 AM
I would have to give the MVP award to Jamal Lewis at this point. He is on pace to rush for over 2,000 yards and has done it with teams stacking the lines to try and stop him and a rookie quarterback which no-one fears. I know people will say he got a large portion against the Browns, but every rusher that has run for over 2,000 yards has had a game like that during the season. Peyton Manning would be a close second.

TD30
10-30-2003, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by BroncoPhoenix
I would have to give the MVP award to Jamal Lewis at this point. He is on pace to rush for over 2,000 yards and has done it with teams stacking the lines to try and stop him and a rookie quarterback which no-one fears. I know people will say he got a large portion against the Browns, but every rusher that has run for over 2,000 yards has had a game like that during the season. Peyton Manning would be a close second.
Two good choices. I would say Manning though.

Javalon
10-30-2003, 11:19 AM
Most analysts seem to pick McNair since Dante Hall hasn't returned for a TD in a few games. ;)

I know it isn't a single player but I'd pick the KC Chefs offensive line as my MVP. As a unit, they're tops in the league and nobody ever seems to give the big guys up front their due.

I'd also consider Jake Plummer (don't attack yet Chefs fans) simply because the Broncos have looked like an entirely different team without him. BTW, I am only partially joking here.

BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 11:25 AM
How original!

Granted Jamal Lewis is in a week division, but let's face the facts. Any rusher that reaches 2,000 yards in a season deserves the MVP Award. His team is in first place in their division right now.

McNairs team isn't even in first place. I'd give it to Manning before I'd give it to McNair. Anyway, due to injuries to his receivers his stats will start to go down.

The only way a QB can win the award over a running back that rushes for over 2,000 yards in a season is to throw for over 5,000 yards in a season.

GSRelyea
10-30-2003, 11:30 AM
I'd give it to Bill Parcells, because there is no way that scrub team should be leading the NFC Least. If your going to make me give it to a player then; Steve McNair no doubt.

pikman
10-30-2003, 11:32 AM
Ever heard of a fella known as Randy Moss. I know its the NFC but he is leading that team. (actually being a leader not a whiner). Lets also not forget about the crazy little KC Chef Priest Holmes. Very dominant in a marshall faulk sort of way.

TD30
10-30-2003, 11:40 AM
If it's not a Bronco then who cares? No one! HA.

BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 11:43 AM
Get real, Priest Holmes...........lol

I'd give it to Manning before I'd give it to Holmes. Hell, I'd give it to Steven Davis before I'd give it to Priest. That like saying that I'd give it to Plummer because our team was really really good before he got hurt.

And by the way someone wake GSRelyea up. This is a discussion about MVP not coach of the year. Coaches are not MVP canidates.

A-rod syndrome is BS. If your team doesn't win, your not an MVP. All canidates should have atleast a winning record to be considered.

BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 12:09 PM
Dante Hall is the only reason the Squaws beat the Broncos. Priest didn't even rush for 100 yards.

You might be right, if you add up the combined votes Priest and Dante receive they just might be more than Jamal.

The Ravens came very dam close to beating the Squaws, so how good are the Squaws? There just as good as a block behind the back will take them.

Last I saw, Jamal Lewis is on a first place team with a winning record. A-Rod has never had a winning record in Texas. So get off the A-Rod comparison. Let me guess, Rangers fan too? A-Rod deserves what he gets, nothing. Enough baseball, baseball sucks anyways.

If you can honestly say Priest is having a better year than Lewis, Manning, McNair, and Stephen Davis then there is no hope for you and you don't pay attention to the whole league like you stated on a previous thread.

TD30
10-30-2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by horseface
The ravens did "come close" to beating the Chiefs. They should have. It was played in Baltimore. Winning on the road is a tough thing to do in the NFL, which is a fact most Bronco fans should realize thus far into the season.
I'm not a Rangers fan...I'm a Royals fan...Am I a frontrunner for that too???
Priest is most definitely having a better year than Lewis, Manning, and Davis. Davis is a great story in Carolina, but Priest leads the league in Touchdowns and total yards...so yes, he's having a better year. Obviously you hate the Chiefs and all of their players. Your statements support that. You are a biased idiot. End of conversation.
Attention everyone- no one else can post on this board because s-face has deemed it the "end of conversation". Go clean your trailer or something TT.

bklynbronco
10-30-2003, 12:41 PM
Mcnair

TD30
10-30-2003, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by horseface
actually that was a reply to one particular person. It indicated the end of the conversation between him and I. but since you two obviously share the same thoughts about everything, it mine as well have been directed to you as well. That TT stuff is so funny. Do you not want to post "trailer trash" because others may find that offensive. I don't know how many trailer parks there are in Cherry Creek, but that is where I live if you must know. And no, I, unlike you, do not still live with mommy and daddy.
Still living w/ mommy and daddy- there you go again, reducing me to nothing. How will I go on?

BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 01:16 PM
I see, if a Squaws player isn't the answer then the question is incorrect and the same with all the other answers submitted on this board. I didn't pick Priest Holmes not because of being bias, but for the simple fact he is not the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league. If the Squaws lost him they would struggle but still might win....lol

If Jamal Lewis goes down, the Ravens fall quickly.
If Manning goes out, the colts are going nowhere.
If Davis wasn't in Carolina, welcome back to the cellar for the Panthers.

Good guess though, I am on the Bronco board, for Bronco fans and I don't like the Squaws......imagine that, boy your a smart Monkey and Darwin's theory might be right after all about evolution. Could you imagine any Bronco fan being on the Broncos board and not being bias. **** that would be a first......

If I was truely bias I would have mentioned Jake Plummer for MVP.

pikman
10-30-2003, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by tahuya man
Dante Hall, no question about it

Please he's a good special teams player & Vermin is slowly working him into the offense but he is in no way close to being the MVP.

Mer
10-30-2003, 01:40 PM
I dunno horseface, although I agree that if the voting happened at week 5, Dante would have been hands down the choice.

I love our X factor. But the more the Chiefs dominate in other areas of offense, the less people are going to keep insisting that Dante Hall is the only reason we're at 8-0. Ya know?

Priest.. definitly. 3rd in rushing, but first in all purpose yardage, and touchdowns.

BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 01:41 PM
Biased suits you better than me. Every sentence contains a a line of worship to a squaws player or the team.

There is no-way that an everyday player should lose the MVP award to a special teams player. The majority of Dante Hall's big plays have come during the returns. He is not deserving of the MVP award, unless he return three or four more returns for touchdowns. Dante's not even in the top four now.

We are on week 9 and a lot has changed in four weeks since that week 5 poll. Randy Moss is in better position to win the MVP award than Dante Hall.

McNair has heart and guts, but I am not sold that the system he runs and the injuries that the team will have to deal with won't cost him in the second half of the season. Plus, Eddie George wants some TV time.

Any team with two players in the running for the same award hurts those players chances of winning it. That's a fact.

BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 02:04 PM
There you go telling people how to vote or lending your opinion on everyone again. Are you a politician?

Priest Holmes is a solid back, but I think Jamal has lifted his team to a higher level and they are over-achieving because of him. There is no way if Jamal wasn't having this type of season that team would be leading their division. He alone is carrying that team and he appears to be getting stronger as the season goes on.

He ran for 134 yds. against the second ranked defense in the NFL.

pikman
10-30-2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by BroncoPhoenix
There you go telling people how to vote or lending your opinion on everyone again. Are you a politician?

Priest Holmes is a solid back, but I think Jamal has lifted his team to a higher level and they are over-achieving because of him. There is no way if Jamal wasn't having this type of season that team would be leading their division. He alone is carrying that team and he appears to be getting stronger as the season goes on.

He ran for 134 yds. against the second ranked defense in the NFL.

Don't suppose its because they're in the weakest division in football. Oh ya and their defense is still pretty damn dominant. Jamal lifted this team? Look at who they have beat. The best team they beat was a very wounded Bronco squad. SD,Cleveland, Arizona. Big wins

LawDog
10-30-2003, 02:11 PM
Some random thoughts...

The MVP should be a player who has consistantly played at a high level, makes big plays, instills confidence in his teammates, etc.

If Plummer had remained healthy he might have been that type of player, however we have so many great players on both sides of the ball, it would be hard to pinpoint Jake as the key to success. As far as Priest and Dante, they have both had big plays, but no real consistancy. If Holmes continues to play like last Sunday through the balance of the season, I might consider him. Dante simply cannot be MVP, since his claim to fame is runbacks which are very hard to come by week in and week out even with a little help (wink, wink).

Jamal is having a great year, but even in a weak div. the crows are still unimpressive. In other words he is not making enough of an impact.

McNair is a playmaker, no question. However, I don't know if he can really lead his team to the dance.

Basically, even though the question was who's MVP through wk 8, I don't see anyone being the hands down winner. A lot of contenders, but no convincing evidence.

bklynbronco
10-30-2003, 02:56 PM
I thought that the most valuable player goes to the player who if that player wasn't on that team that team would not succeed. That's why it won't be a chief because priest and dante cancel each other out. It hurts to have too many good players on your team. If jamal lewis wasn't on the ravens would the ravens still be succesful. Maybe not. So yes he is a MVP candidate. Would Tennesse be 6-2 without Mcnair ? Definitely not. Eddie george is not the same so Steve is the whole offense and is leading his team to wins. So he is also a canadidate. My opinion is that steve does and can do more than jamal lewis to help his team win. That's why I pick him as my MVP. PB that's my opinion and that's how i base it on. Peyton has marvin and James it's hard to say who does more. They cancel each other out. That's why I don't pick peyton.

BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 03:06 PM
I LOVE PULLING THE CHAIN OF A TOUGH MONKEY LIKE YOU.

I can tell that I am already under your skin. A few messages ago you stated that was it you were done with responding to me. A man that can't keep his word. Nice job Monkey.

If either Portis or Plummer had a season like Manning or Jamal Lewis is having, then yes. Jamal not only ran for 100(+) yards against the Broncos an NFL record of 295 sure looks nice too. And Manning throwing for 6 touchdowns on the road is pretty dam good too.

I did not say you were wrong on your original post. I said how original. I was looking for answer with a little more thought behind it, not just McNair. Have some stats, sell me on your point, don't just repeat what I hear on the TV every weekend.

At least put a reason. McNair's team isn't even in first place. At least Jamal Lewis has put his team out front in his "weak" division. Has he or has he not elevated his team with his play?

McNair is tough, but I don't think he has posted better numbers than Peyton Manning. So, for his position, I don't even rank him the top MVP canidate at the Quarterback spot.

Someone did remind me about someone I forgot. Randy Moss! The guy has elevated his game this season and matured to the best receiver in the game. He has developed a team attitude and eventhough doubled/tripled team still makes plays. The man keeps playing like he is, there could very well be the MVP.

BroncoPhoenix
10-30-2003, 03:29 PM
You forgot one big stat and a bonus fact.

Manning versus McNair, Colts 33 Titans 7!

Plus an amazing comeback on Monday night football against the Bucs has to be considered with Manning as well.

BlueBomberDude
10-30-2003, 03:32 PM
But stats aren't everything. McNair brings a little toughness and (arguably) better leadership than Manning.

Either QB would make a good MVP choice, but I personally would lean towards Mcnair at this point.

bklynbronco
10-31-2003, 05:39 AM
People,people,people. Why is this getting personal?. I believe it's all opinion who gets the MVP isn't it? What happens when more than one player is nominated from a team they cancel each other I'm not making that up it happens in all sports. second who the all pro reciever that McNair throws to? No one. Where is eddie George? No where. So he is doing more with less. It's nice to have Marvin harrison and reggie wayne and edgerin james to throw and handoff to. The people who vote see that.