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Peerless
08-16-2005, 10:24 AM
Do you think this guy has a shot now this year since he's healthy? (KNOCKS ON WOOD)

I remember reading reports that he was one of the top DT in college who actually can get to the QB......

Have you seen anything in him? Or is he a sure cut?

DURANGO BRONCO
08-16-2005, 10:32 AM
If performance is the deciding factor I would have to say he will make the team.
He was the most impressive Lineman on Saturday.

Peerless
08-16-2005, 10:37 AM
If performance is the deciding factor I would have to say he will make the team.
He was the most impressive Lineman on Saturday.
I heard that he was putting some pressure on the QB.

Does he have any chance of taking "super mario fatfaehis (sp)" job?

chickennob2
08-16-2005, 01:43 PM
I heard that he was putting some pressure on the QB.

Does he have any chance of taking "super mario fatfaehis (sp)" job?

nope. Fatafehi is a lock. However, if some injuries occur, i could see davis making the team.

defense!!!
08-16-2005, 06:21 PM
Dorsett Davis got injured today.

ttejuco
08-16-2005, 11:57 PM
Dorsett Davis has replaced Mario Fatafehi on second string defence.

Source, denverbroncos.com

bcbronc
08-17-2005, 12:32 AM
ya every report ive read or seen has been very positive. he seems to be getting pressure and making plays in practise. he could be a pleasant surprise. imagine one of shannys drafts on the line coming through?

Dean
08-17-2005, 05:00 AM
I think this could be a big year for Dorsett Davis as I posted in June. However, he has shown these flashes of effort and ability in training camp before and then went into hibernation. He has the ability. Now, does he have the work ethic? The knock on him coming out of college was that he took plays off. :confused:

Dean
08-17-2005, 05:08 AM
ya every report ive read or seen has been very positive. he seems to be getting pressure and making plays in practise. he could be a pleasant surprise. imagine one of shannys drafts on the line coming through?


Shanahan drafted Pryce if I remember correctly- not a bad pick, but I understand your point. Successful drafting at those positions has been way below average. :coffee:

Sam_Z
08-17-2005, 05:37 AM
Shanahan drafted Pryce if I remember correctly- not a bad pick, but I understand your point. Successful drafting at those positions has been way below average. :coffee:
Reggie Hayward and Montae Reagor havent werent to shabby either, I think his average is a lil higher than some like to think, b/c good D-linemen are very hard find.

Dean
08-17-2005, 09:40 AM
Good point Sam. This is especially true when you look at the failure rate on first and second round picks spent upon the D-line by all NFL teams. It and QB seems to be a crap shoot.

JRWIZ
08-17-2005, 10:54 AM
Shanahan drafted Pryce if I remember correctly- not a bad pick, but I understand your point. Successful drafting at those positions has been way below average. :coffee:

BUT, price only had a couple of superb years, then mediocrity and had to be called on the carpet for a couple of years. Once he got his new contract he was nothing special. Just showed up for work did not perform @ a $9,000,000.00 per year level. Or maybe my expectations are a tad high.

Potential was on the moon, has not played like it since getting the really BIG contract.

Had I been Mikey I'd have cut the clown and ate the cap space and sent a message to the squad

no workee, no payee.

DistilledFun
08-17-2005, 09:33 PM
BUT, price only had a couple of superb years, then mediocrity and had to be called on the carpet for a couple of years. Once he got his new contract he was nothing special. Just showed up for work did not perform @ a $9,000,000.00 per year level. Or maybe my expectations are a tad high.

Potential was on the moon, has not played like it since getting the really BIG contract.

Had I been Mikey I'd have cut the clown and ate the cap space and sent a message to the squad

no workee, no payee.
jr your kidding right? pryce is widely considered a pro bowler and he and al wilson were the bright spot on our team before the new D had been a point of emphasis with shanny. ie 99-02 in 03 it was double team pryce all time and in 04 he was hurt. in 05 look for pryce to goto the probowl and in doing so making the browncos look real good.

rcsodak
08-17-2005, 09:37 PM
I think this could be a big year for Dorsett Davis as I posted in June. However, he has shown these flashes of effort and ability in training camp before and then went into hibernation. He has the ability. Now, does he have the work ethic? The knock on him coming out of college was that he took plays off. :confused:
Seems to me that that phrase is becoming WAYYYYY too overused in the scouting reports being given.
How the hell do they know what's going on in a college kid's head? Girlfriend probs. Money probs. Grade probs. Family probs....
Its not like they're making bookoo bucks, riding hummers and hanging with their homies.
College is NOT their livelihoold....but a stepping stone in their lives.

I wasn't exactly a go-getter in college either, but that doesn't mean I work any less than anybody else, now.

Next thing you know, they'll be talking about how they were fat/out of shape back in grade school..... :coffee:

delaranta
08-17-2005, 09:48 PM
If performance is the deciding factor I would have to say he will make the team.
He was the most impressive Lineman on Saturday.

I agree. I thought he did a good job getting penetration, and collapsing the pocket. The biggest problem they had against the run was poor tackling, and overpursuit.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
08-17-2005, 11:06 PM
jr your kidding right? pryce is widely considered a pro bowler and he and al wilson were the bright spot on our team before the new D had been a point of emphasis with shanny. ie 99-02 in 03 it was double team pryce all time and in 04 he was hurt. in 05 look for pryce to goto the probowl and in doing so making the browncos look real good.


Pryce stopped being double-teamed awhile ago. Also, what kind of excuse is that anyway? Micheal Strahan gets doubleteamed, he still puts up 70+ tackles and 15+ sacks a season from Strongside End. Pryce was getting paid more then he was.

Pryce contributes on average 40 tackles, 7 sacks. And he makes a ridiculous amount of money for such marginal production.


JR is absolutely right in his critique of Pryce. And Pryce has not deserved to go to the Pro Bowl since 1999.

JRWIZ
08-17-2005, 11:59 PM
jr your kidding right? pryce is widely considered a pro bowler and he and al wilson were the bright spot on our team before the new D had been a point of emphasis with shanny. ie 99-02 in 03 it was double team pryce all time and in 04 he was hurt. in 05 look for pryce to goto the probowl and in doing so making the browncos look real good.




NOT at all his performance after the big contract renewal sucked. as shown below.


Statistics
Year Team G GS Int DTD STY SACK TACKLE
2004 DEN 2 1 0 0 0 0 1
2003 DEN 16 16 0 0 0 8.5 28
2002 DEN 16 16 0 0 0 9 40
2001 DEN 16 16 0 0 0 7 33
2000 DEN 16 16 0 1 0 12 33
1999 DEN 15 15 1 0 1 13 33
1998 DEN 16 15 1 0 0 8.5 30
1997 DEN 8 3 0 0 0 2 16
9 Season 105 98 2 1 1 60 214

Dramatic drop off in production after the contract and his start up business of being a recording mogul.

Only after being singled out by both Rod and Mikey did he decide to do something about earning his $9,000,000.00 per year contract. He rededicated himself to football going into the 2004 season. Dropped fat and became leaner only to have back surgery.

Did you think he earned his salary the last couple of years?

DistilledFun
08-18-2005, 01:50 AM
good use of stats but i would like to know how often he was facing double teams. also could the move from dt to de have effected his play to show for the drop off. in 9 years (one year injured so basicaly 8years) 60 sacks isnt terrible but you can see that there was a drop off. on a dline who wasnt good at getting pressure from any postition pryce has been the dominate force. lets hope he picks it back up in 05 and gets 15 sacks and 60 tackles. :beer:

JRWIZ
08-18-2005, 07:17 AM
good use of stats but i would like to know how often he was facing double teams. also could the move from dt to de have effected his play to show for the drop off. in 9 years (one year injured so basicaly 8years) 60 sacks isnt terrible but you can see that there was a drop off. on a dline who wasnt good at getting pressure from any postition pryce has been the dominate force. lets hope he picks it back up in 05 and gets 15 sacks and 60 tackles. :beer:

I jnowthat during that frame he was doubled, But to have the team tleader and HC call you out for not produce they are seeing the lack of focus and production.

Simply put he was not producing what his level of compensation demanded. I remember reading several articles about his love for music and his recording company I would think perhaps his focus was not on the field but in the studio.

With the the talent around him no excuses this year. NO more phoning it in on sundays.

rcsodak
08-18-2005, 10:31 PM
I jnowthat during that frame he was doubled, But to have the team tleader and HC call you out for not produce they are seeing the lack of focus and production.

Simply put he was not producing what his level of compensation demanded. I remember reading several articles about his love for music and his recording company I would think perhaps his focus was not on the field but in the studio.

With the the talent around him no excuses this year. NO more phoning it in on sundays.
Not to mention the fact that Pryce HIMSELF elluded to his past play as not being good enough for what he was getting paid!

THAT, in itself, should ring thunderously loud, in broncomania..... ;)

Peerless
08-19-2005, 11:37 AM
Pryce makes other players better, which is just as good.

Cugel
08-19-2005, 02:38 PM
Pryce stopped being double-teamed awhile ago. Also, what kind of excuse is that anyway? Micheal Strahan gets doubleteamed, he still puts up 70+ tackles and 15+ sacks a season from Strongside End. Pryce was getting paid more then he was.

Pryce contributes on average 40 tackles, 7 sacks. And he makes a ridiculous amount of money for such marginal production.


JR is absolutely right in his critique of Pryce. And Pryce has not deserved to go to the Pro Bowl since 1999.
I've quoted this before but it's worth repeating. Here's what Michael Strahan thinks about Trevor Pryce:


He creates havoc among the offensive line because sometimes you need two guys to block him and it frees up other guys on the line twists and things like that," said John Tait, the former Kansas City Chiefs right tackle who signed with the Chicago Bears during the off-season.

"They're the ones who'll sometimes get the sack or the pressure on the quarterback, where Trevor is really the guy who probably caused it in the first place."

"It always starts with their front four, and Trevor's the guy who really shines," Tait said. "They've got some good athletes and good players there. But Trevor was always the guy that, when you went over the team and the scouting report, he was highlighted as the guy that needed to be taken care of and needed to account for, then everything else goes from there."

League officials apparently concur. In a poll of 22 pro personnel directors conducted this spring by USA Today's Sports Weekly, only Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor, Simeon Rice and Jevon Kearse were ranked higher among defensive ends. The publication's scouts rated Pryce third, behind only Strahan and Taylor.

"I don't think he gets the amount of publicity that he should get," Michael Strahan said. "He's one of the hidden-gem linemen in the business. And if there's somebody you'd want somebody to model their game after, it would be a guy like him. He plays the run and the pass and can get it done as a tackle or an end."

Pryce's 58 sacks are fifth-most in the league since he became a full-time player in 1998. He trails only Strahan (82), Rice (75.5), Taylor (66) and Jason Gildon (60) during that period.

But unlike those other four players, Pryce has gotten most of his sacks (40.5) as a defensive tackle. The Broncos played him mainly at the strong-side end last season while often shifting him inside in obvious passing situations to provide a push up the middle.

"He rarely gets a chance to play one-on-one with anybody no matter where they move him on the field," said Strahan, who has studied Pryce on tape but hasn't met him. "And I always tell people it's very easy to be a player out there on the field, one of 11, but whenever you're one of that 11 and everybody's focusing on you every play, every down, and you can still make it happen? Then that's the mark of a great player. And that's what Trevor is in the way he plays."

This is worth mentioning because John Tait is a lineman who has had to go against Pryce on an ongoing basis, and should be able to evaluate his skill level, while Strahan has been the best pass-rushing end in the NFL of the past 10 years. If he says that Pryce is someone to model your technique after that's saying something.

Who knows whether Pryce will be able play at a pro-bowl level after his back injury, the jury is still out on that one.

But I wouldn't rule it out at this point.

Jack Luminous
08-19-2005, 02:53 PM
I've quoted this before but it's worth repeating. Here's what Michael Strahan thinks about Trevor Pryce:


This is worth mentioning because John Tait is a lineman who has had to go against Pryce on an ongoing basis, and should be able to evaluate his skill level, while Strahan has been the best pass-rushing end in the NFL of the past 10 years. If he says that Pryce is someone to model your technique after that's saying something.

Who knows whether Pryce will be able play at a pro-bowl level after his back injury, the jury is still out on that one.

But I wouldn't rule it out at this point.


The idea that T Pryce has a back injury is a mis-nomer (sp?)....he said hinmself, yesterday on this site that his issue was never pain in the back, it was the weakening of the leg brought about by a damaged nerve. He has had to work hard to get that strength back, but says he has done that.

I look for T Pryce to have a very good season this year...

Peerless
08-20-2005, 10:41 AM
Pryce, like many other bronco players is underrated in the leauge. You look at what he did as a DT..... a DT (40.5 sacks). People don't realize that 40.5 sacks as a DT is superb. With TP at the LE, we know he'll get doubled. But that extra man leaves another player open for the strike, and unfortunately the people with more sacks make the pro bowl then the people who create the sacks.

Return of Lava
08-20-2005, 10:59 AM
Dorsett will make the team. He is THE best goalline lineman we have.

BroncoRT
08-20-2005, 11:14 AM
Dorsett will make the team. He is THE best goalline lineman we have.

I am hoping we have Dorsett make the team along with Ellis, Warren and Myers. We will be pretty solid up the middle. :coffee: