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Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 09:17 AM
Pre-season Mock

1. Cleveland Browns (3-13)
2. Tennessee Titans (3-13)
3. San Francisco 49ers (4-12)
4. Chicago Bears (4-12)
5. Miami Dolphins (5-11)
6. New York Giants (6-10)
7. Green Bay Packers (6-10)
8. Houston Texans (7-9)
9. Washington Redskins (7-9) (Denver's pick)
10. Oakland Raiders (7-9)
11. Buffalo Bills (7-9)
12. Arizona Cadinals (8-8)
13. Denver Broncos (8-8)
14. New Orleans Saints (8-8)
15. Detroit Lions (9-7)
16. New York Jets (9-7)
17. Carolina Panthers (9-7)
18. San Diego Chargers (9-7)
19. Cincinatti Bengals (9-7)
20. Seattle Seahawks (10-6)
21. Baltimore Ravens (10-6) - AFC Wildcard
22. Dallas Cowboys (10-6) - NFC Wildcard
23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (10-6) - NFC Wildcard
24. Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) - AFC Wildcard
25. Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5) - AFC North Champs
26. Atlanta Falcons (11-5) - NFC South - Champs
27. Minnesota Vikings (11-5) - NFC North Champs
28. Kansas City Chiefs (12-4) - AFC West Champs
29. St. Louis Rams (12-4) - NFC West Champs
30. New England Patriots (13-3) - AFC East Champs
31. Philidelphia Eagles (13-3) - NFC East Champs, NFC Champs
32. Indianapolis Colts (14-2) - AFC SouthChamps, AFCChamps,SuperbowlChamps

1. Browns - D'Brickashaw Ferguson (OT) - Virginia
2. Titans - Mathias Kiwanuka (DE) - Boston College
3. 49ers - Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
4. Bears - AJ Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
5. Dolphins - Omar Jacobs (QB) - Bowling Green
6. Giants - Rodrique Wright (DT) - Texas
7. Packers - Ahmad Brooks (LB) - Virginia
8. Texans - Johnathon Scott (OT) - Texas
9. Broncos - Mario Williams (DE) - North Carolina State
10. Raiders - Devon Hester (CB) - Miami
11. Bills - Mercedes Lewis (TE) - UCLA
12. Cardinals - Matt Leinart (QB) - USC
13. Broncos - Eric Winston (OT) - Miami
14. Saints - Marcus McNeil (OT) - Auburn
15. Lions - Vince Young (QB) - Texas
16. Jets - Darnell Bing (S) - USC
17. Panthers - Gabe Watson (DT) - Michigan
18. Chargers - Jason Allen (CB/S) - Tennessee
19. Bengals - Orion Harris (DT) - Miami
20. Seahawks - Chad Greenway (LB) - Iowa
21. Ravens - Reggie Bush (RB) - USC
22. Cowboys - Babatunde Oshinowo (NT) - Stanford
23. Buccaneers - Andrew Whitworth (OT) - LSU
24. J aguars - Laurence Maroney (RB) - Minnesota
25. S teelers - Lendale White (RB) - USC
26. Falcons - Derek Hagan (WR) - Arizona State
27. Vikings - Greg Eslinger (OC) - Minnesota
28. Chiefs - Todd Watkins (WR) - BYU
29. Rams - Nate Salley (S) - Ohio State
30. Patriots - William Blackmon (CB) - Boston College
31. Eagles - Martin Nance (WR) - Marshall
32. Colts - Jeremy Trueblood (OT) - Boston College

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 09:17 AM
Quarter Point Mock.

1. San Francisco 49ers (3-13)
2. Cleveland Browns (4-12)
3. NY Jets (4-12)
4. Houston Texans (4-12)
5. Chicago Bears (5-11)
6. Green Bay Packers (5-11)
7. Arizona Cardinals (5-11)
8. Detroit Lions (6-10)
9. Tennessee Titans (6-10)
10. Buffalo Bills (6-10)
11. Miami Dolphins (7-9)
12. Oakland Raiders (7-9)
13. New Orleans Saints (7-9)
14. Baltimore Ravens (8-8)
15. Dallas Cowboys (8-8)
16. Washington Redskins (8-8)
17. Carolina Panthers (9-7)
18. Seattle Seahawks (9-7)
19. Minnesota Vikings (9-7) – NFC North Champs
20. Denver Broncos (9-7)
21. San Diego Chargers (9-7)
22. New York Giants (10-6) – NFC Wildcard
23. New England Patriots (10-6) – AFC East Champs
24. Jacksonville Jaguars (10-6) – AFC Wildcard
25. St. Louis Rams (11-5) – NFC West Champs
26. Tampa Bay Bucs (11-5) – NFC Wildcard
27. Kansas City Chiefs (11-5) – AFC West Champs
28. Atlanta Falcons (12-4) - NFC South - Champs
29. Cincinnati Bengals (12-4) – AFC Wildcard
30. Pittsburgh Steelers (13-3) – AFC North Champs
31. Philadelphia Eagles (14-2) - NFC East Champs, NFC Champs
32. Indianapolis Colts (15-1) - AFC South Champs, AFC Champs, Super bowl Champs

1. Lions – (trade w/49ers) Matt Leinart (QB) - USC
2. Browns – D’Brickashaw Ferguson (OT) - Virginia
3. Jets – Reggie Bush (RB) - USC
4. Texans – Marcus McNeil (OT) - Auburn
5. Bears – Mathias Kiwanuka (DE) – Boston College
6. Packers – Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
7. Cardinals – Omar Jacobs (QB) – Bowling Green
8. 49ers (trade w/Lions) – Jimmy Williams (CB) – Virginia Tech
9. Titans – DeAngelo Williams (RB) - Memphis
10. Bills – Winston Justice (OT) - USC
11. Dolphins – Vince Young (QB) – Texas
12. Raiders – Darnell Bing (S) - USC
13. Saints – AJ Hawk (LB) – Ohio State
14. Ravens – Devin Hester (CB) - Miami
15. Cowboys – Jason Allen (CB/S) – Tennessee
16. Broncos (from Washington) – Mario Williams (DE) - North Carolina State
17. Carolina Panthers – Rodrique Wright (DT) – Texans
18. Seattle Seahawks – Gabe Watson (DT) - Michigan
19. Denver Broncos – Jesse Mahelona (DT) – Tennessee
20. San Diego Chargers – John Scott (OT) – Texas
21. Giants – Chad Greenway (LB) – Iowa
22. Jaguars – Tye Hill (CB) - Clemson
23. Rams – Marcedes Lewis (TE) - UCLA
24. Bengals – Leonard Pope (TE) - Georgia
25. Vikings – Greg Eslinger (OC) - Minnesota
26. Patriots – Charles Gordon (CB) - Kansas
27. Bucs – Brady Quinn (QB) – Notre Dame
28. Chiefs – Chad Jackson (WR) – Florida
29. Falcons – Eric Winston (OT) - Miami
30. Steelers – Lendale White (RB) - USC
31. Eagles – Laurence Maroney (RB) - Minnesota
32. Colts – Martin Nance (WR) - Marshall

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 09:18 AM
Mid-Season Mock

1. San Francisco 49ers (3-13)
2. Cleveland Browns (4-12)
3. NY Jets (4-12)
4. Houston Texans (4-12)
5. New Orleans Saints (4-12)
6. Green Bay Packers (5-11)
7. Arizona Cardinals (5-11)
8. Minnesota Vikings (5-11)
9. Buffalo Bills (6-10)
10. Tennessee Titans (6-10)
11. Detroit Lions (6-10)
12. Miami Dolphins (6-10)
13. Baltimore Ravens (6-10)
14. Oakland Raiders (8-8)
15. St. Louis Rams (8-8)
16. Tampa Bay Bucs (8-8)
17. Chicago Bears (8-8) NFC North Champs
18. Dallas Cowboys (9-7)
19. Washington Redskins (9-7)
20. New England Patriots (10-6) AFC East Champs
21. San Diego Chargers (10-6)
22. Denver Broncos (10-6)
23. Carolina Panthers (10-6) NFC Wildcard
24. NY Giants (10-6) NFC Wildcard
25. Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) AFC Wildcard
26. Cincinnati Bengals (11-5) AFC Wildcard
27. Kansas City Chiefs (11-5) AFC West Champs
28. Atlanta Falcons (11-5) NFC South - Champs
29. Seattle Seahawks (12-4) NFC West Champs
30. Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4) AFC North Champs
31. Philadelphia Eagles (10-6) NFC East Champs, NFC Champs
32. Indianapolis Colts (14-2) AFC South Champs, AFC Champs, Super bowl Champs



1. 49ers – RB Reggie Bush
2. Browns – OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Jets – DT Haloti Ngata
4. Texans – LB AJ Hawk
5. Saints – QB Matt Leinart
6. Packers – RB DeAngelo Williams
7. Cardinals – OT Marcus McNeil
8. Vikings – RB Laurence Maroney
9. Bills – LB DeMeco Ryans
10. Titans – CB Jimmy Williams
11. Lions – QB Vince Young
12. Dolphins – OT Winston Justice
13. Ravens – LB Chad Greenway
14. Raiders – DE Mathias Kiwanuka
15. Rams – DE Mario Williams
16. Bucs – WR Hank Baskett
17. Bears – OG Davin Joseph
18. Cowboys – OT John Scott
19. Broncos – DE Tamba Hali
20. Patriots – LB/DE Elvis Dumervil
21. Chargers – S Darnell Bing
22. Broncos – DT Rodrique Wright
23. Panthers – WR Derek Hagan
24. Giants – CB/S Micheal Huff
25. Jaguars – OG Max-Jean Gilles
26. Bengals – TE Marcedes Lewis
27. Chiefs – CB Tye Hill
28. Falcons – OT Eric Winston
29. Seahawks – S Jason Allen
30. Steelers – RB LenDale White
31. Eagles – DE Ray Edwards
32. Colts – WR Santonio Holmes

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 09:18 AM
3rd Quarter Mock

Third Quarter Mock
1. San Francisco 49ers (2-14)
2. NY Jets (2-14)
3. Houston Texans (3-13)
4. New Orleans Saints (4-12)
5. Cleveland Browns (4-12)
6. Green Bay Packers (4-12)
7. Tennessee Titans (4-12)
8. Detroit Lions (4-12)
9. Buffalo Bills (5-11)
10. Arizona Cardinals (5-11)
11. Baltimore Ravens (5-11)
12. Miami Dolphins (6-10)
13. Oakland Raiders (6-10)
14. Philadelphia Eagles (6-10)
15. St. Louis Rams (7-9)
16. Washington Redskins (8-8)
17. Minnesota Vikings (9-7)
18. Atlanta Falcons (9-7)
19. Dallas Cowboys (9-7) NFC Wildcard
20. Pittsburgh Steelers (10-6)
21. Tampa Bay Bucs (10-6) NFC Wildcard
22. New England Patriots (10-6) AFC East Champs
23. NY Giants (10-6) NFC East Champs
24. Kansas City Chiefs (11-5)
25. San Diego Chargers (11-5) AFC Wildcard
26. Chicago Bears (11-5) NFC North Champs
27. Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) AFC Wildcard
28. Carolina Panthers (12-4) NFC South Champs
29. Cincinnati Bengals (12-4) AFC North Champs
30. Denver Broncos (12-4) AFC West Champs
31. Seattle Seahawks (13-3) NFC West Champs, NFC Champs
32. Indianapolis Colts (14-2) AFC South Champs, AFC Champs, Super bowl Champs

1. 49ers – RB Reggie Bush - USC
2. Jets – QB Matt Leinart - USC
3. Texans – OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson – Virginia
4. Saints – DT Haloti Ngata – Oregon
5. Browns – OLB/DE Elvis Dumervil – Louisville
6. Packers – RB LenDale White - USC
7. Titans – DE Mathias Kiwanuka – Boston College
8. Lions – CB/S Jimmy Williams – Virginia Tech
9. Bills – OT Winston Justice - USC
10. Cardinals – QB Vince Young - Texas
11. Ravens – DE Mario Williams – North Carolina State
12. Raiders – LB AJ Hawk – Ohio State
13. Eagles – DE Tamba Hali – Penn State
14. Dolphins – OT Marcus McNeil - Auburn
15. Rams – DT Claude Wroten - LSU
16. Broncos – DE Gaines Adams - Clemson
17. Vikings – RB Laurence Maroney - Minnesota
18. Falcons – CB/S Michael Huff - Texas
19. Cowboys – LB Chad Greenway – Iowa
20. Steelers – RB DeAngelo Williams – Memphis
21. Bucs – DE Quentin Moses - Georgia
22. Patriots – S Darnell Bing - USC
23. Giants – OT Eric Winston - Maimi
24. Chiefs – WR Santonio Holmes – Ohio State
25. Chargers – CB Tye Hill - Clemson
26. Bears – TE Vernon Davis - Virginia
27. Jaguars – OG Max-Jean Gilles – Georgia
28. Panthers – TE Marcedes Lewis - UCLA
29. Bengals – DT Babatunde Oshinowo – Stanford
30. Broncos – DT Brodrick Bunkley - FSU
31. Seahawks – OG Davin Joseph - Oklahoma
32. Colts – LB Demeco Ryans - Alabama

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 09:19 AM
Post-Season Mock

1. Houston Texans (2-14)
2. New Orleans Saints (3-13)
3. Tennessee Titans (4-12)
4. NY Jets (4-12)
5. Green Bay Packers (4-12)
6. Oakland Raiders (4-12)
7. San Francisco 49ers (4-12)
8. Buffalo Bills (5-11)
9. Detroit Lions (5-11)
10 Arizona Cardinals (5-11)
11 St. Louis Rams (6-10)
12 Cleveland Browns (6-10)
13 Baltimore Ravens (6-10)
14 Philidelphia Eagles (6-10)
15 Atlanta Falcons (8-8)
16 Miami Dolphins (9-7)
17 Minnesota Vikings (9-7)
18 Dallas Cowboys (9-7)
19 San Diego Chargers (9-7)
20 Kansas City Chiefs (10-6)
21 New England Patriots (10-6)
22 Washington Redskins (10-6)
23 Carolina Panthers (11-5)
24 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (11-5)
25 Chicago Bears (11-5)
26 Cincinatti Bengals (11-5)
27 NY Giants (11-5)
28 Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5)
29 Jacksonville Jaguars (12-4)
30 Denver Broncos (13-3)
31 Seattle Seahawks (13-3)
32 Indianapolis Colts (14-2)

1. Texans - Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2. Saints - Matt Leinart, QB, USC
3. Titans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
4. Jets - Mario Williams, DE, NC State
5. Packers - Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
6. Raiders - Vince Young, QB, Texas
7. 49ers - Jimmy Williams, CB/S, Virginia Tech
8. Bills - Winston Justice, OT, USC
9. Lions - Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
10 Cardinals - AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
11 Rams - Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State
12 Browns - Elvis Dumervil, OLB, Louisville
13 Ravens - LenDale White, RB, USC
14 Eagles - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
15 Falcons - Michael Huff, CB/S, Texas
16 Dolphins - Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
17 Vikings - Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
18 Cowboys - Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn
19 Chargers - Eric Winston, OT, Miami
20 Chiefs - Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
21 Patriots - DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
22 Broncos - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
23 Panthers - Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
24 Bucs - Quinton Moses, DE, Georgia
25 Bears - Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
26 Bengals - Babatunde Oshionowo, DT, Stanford
27 Giants - Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
28 Steelers - Micheal Bush, RB, Louisville
29 Jaguars - Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
30 Broncos - Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
31 Seahawks - Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State
32 Colts - DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 09:20 AM
Pre-Combine Mock

1. Texans - Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2. Saints - Matt Leinart, QB, USC
3. Titans - Vince Young, QB, Texas
4. Jets - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, QB, Virginia
5. Packers - Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
6. Raiders - Mario Williams, DE, NC State
7. 49ers - AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State
8. Bills - Winston Justice, OT, USC
9. Lions - Jimmy Williams, CB/S, Virginia Tech
10. Cardinals - Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
11. Rams - Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
12. Browns - Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
13. Ravens - DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
14. Eagles - Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State
15. Falcons - Micheal Huff, CB/S, Texas
16. Dolphins - Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
17. Vikings - LenDale White, RB, USC
18. Cowboys - Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn
19. Chargers - Manny Lawson, DE/LB, NC State
20. Chiefs - Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
21. Patriots - Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
22. Broncos - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, BC
23. Bucs - Brodrick Bunkley, DT, FSU
24. Bengals - Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
25. Giants - Demeco Ryans, LB, Alabama
26. Bears - Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
27. Panthers - Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
28. Jaguars - Max-Jean Gilles, OG, Georgia
29. Broncos - Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
30. Colts - Ernie Sims, LB, FSU
31. Seahawks - Babatunde Oshinowo, DT, Stanford
32. Steelers - Maurice Stovall, WR, Notre Dame


Round 2

33. Texans - Eric Winston, OT, Miami
34. Saints - Nick Mangold, OC, Ohio St.
35. Jets - Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
36. Packers - Deuce Lutui, OG, USC
37. Raiders - Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State
38. 49ers - Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
39. Titans - Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
40. Lions - Kamerion Wimbley, DE, FSU
41. Cardinals - Domonique Byrd, TE, USC
42. Bills - Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
43. Browns - Mark Anderson, LB/DE, Alabama
44. Ravens - Jon Scott, OT, Texas
45. Eagles - Demetrius Williams, WR, Oregon
46. Rams - Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
47. Falcons - Daryl Tapp, DE, Virginia Tech
48. Vikings - Antonio Cromartie, CB, FSU
49. Cowboys - Thomas Howard, LB, UTEP
50. Chargers - D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Maryland
51. Dolphins - Charles Spencer, OG/OC, Pittsburgh
52. Patriots - Jason Allen, S, Tennessee
53. Redskins - Kyle Williams, DT, LSU
54. Chiefs - Davin Joseph, OG, Oklahoma
55. Bengals - Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
56. Giants - Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
57. Bears - Jason Avant, WR, Michigan
58. Panthers - Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
59. Bucs - Ryan O'Callaghan, OT, California
60. Jaguars - Brian Calhoun, RB, Ohio State
61. Broncos - Jesse Mahelona, DT, Tennessee
62. Colts - Jerious Norwood, RB, Mississippi State
63. Seahawks - Hank Baskett, WR, New Mexico State
64. Steelers - Joseph Addai, RB, LSU

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 09:20 AM
Final 2006 Mock Draft

1. Houston Texans
- DE Mario Williams
2. New Orleans Saints
- RB Reggie Bush
3. Tennessee Titans
- QB Vince Young
4. NY Jets
- OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson
5. Green Bay Packers
- DT Haloti Ngata
6. SF 49ers
- TE Vernon Davis
7. Oakland Raiders
- LB AJ Hawk
8. Buffalo Bills
- OT Winston Justice
9. Detroit Lions
- QB Matt Leinart
10. Arizona Cardinals
- QB Jay Cutler
11. St. Louis Rams
- CB/S Micheal Huff
12. Cleveland Browns
- LB Kamerion Wimbley
13. Baltimore Ravens
- DT Brodrick Bunkley
14. Philadelphia Eagles
- LB Ernie Sims
15. Denver Broncos
- WR Santonio Holmes
16. Miami Dolphins
- WR Chad Jackson
17. Minnesota Vikings
- LB Chad Greenway
18. Dallas Cowboys
- S Jimmy Williams
19. San Diego Chargers
- S Jason Allen
20. Kansas City Chiefs
- CB Tye Hill
21. New England Patriots
- RB DeAngelo Williams
22. San Francisco 49ers
- LB Manny Lawson
23. Tampa Bay Bucs
- DE Mathias Kiwanuka
24. Cincinnati Bengals
- OC Nick Mangold
25. NY Giants
- CB Antonio Cromartie
26. Chicago Bears
- S Donte Whitner
27. Carolina Panthers
- RB LenDale White
28. Jacksonville Jaguars
- LB Demeco Ryans
29. New York Jets
- RB Laurence Maroney
30. Indianapolis Colts
- RB Joseph Addai
31. Seattle Seahawks
- CB Johnsathan Joseph
32. Pittsburgh Steelers
- WR Maurice Stovall








33, Houston Texans
- OT Eric Winston
34 .New Orleans Saints
- OT Marcus McNeil
35. NY Jets
- DT Gabe Watson
36. Green Bay Packers
- LB Bobby Carpenter
37. Denver Broncos
- WR Sinorice Moss
38. Oakland Raiders
- TE Leonard Pope
39. Tennessee Titans
- CB Kelly Jennings
40. Detroit Lions
- CB Richard Marshall
41. Arizona Cardinals
- TE Marcedes Lewis
42. Buffalo Bills
- DT John McCargo
43. Cleveland Browns
- WR Greg Jennings
44. Baltimore Ravens
- CB Ashton Youboty
45. Philadelphia Eagles
- WR Demetrius Williams
46. St. Louis Rams
- DE Tamba Hali
47. Atlanta Falcons
- S Ko Simpson
48. Minnesota Vikings
- QB Kellen Clemens
49. Dallas Cowboys
- OG Davin Joseph
50. San Diego Chargers
- LB D’Qwell Jackson
51. Minnesota Vikings
- S Darnell Bing
52. New England Patriots
- OLB Mark Anderson
53. Washington Redskins
- DT Rodrique Wright
54. Kansas City Chiefs
- QB Brodie Croyle
55. Cincinnati Bengals
- TE Joe Klopfenstein
56. New York Giants
- DT Babatunde Oshionowo
57. Chicago Bears
- TE Anthony Fasano
58. Carolina Panthers
- LB Rocky McIntosh
59. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
- OT Andrew Whitworth
60. Jacksonville Jaguars
- OG/OC Chris Chester
61. Denver Broncos
- TE Domonique Byrd
62. Indianapolis Colts
- DT Claude Wroten
63. Seattle Seahawks
- OG Max-Jean Gilles
64. Pittsburgh Steelers
- S Daniel Bullocks

OhNoKoolAid
10-11-2005, 10:23 AM
Quarter Point Mock.

1. San Francisco 49ers (3-13)
2. Cleveland Browns (4-12)
3. NY Jets (4-12)
4. Houston Texans (4-12)
5. Chicago Bears (5-11)
6. Green Bay Packers (5-11)
7. Arizona Cardinals (5-11)
8. Detroit Lions (6-10)
9. Tennessee Titans (6-10)
10. Buffalo Bills (6-10)
11. Miami Dolphins (7-9)
12. Oakland Raiders (7-9)
13. New Orleans Saints (7-9)
14. Baltimore Ravens (8-8)
15. Dallas Cowboys (8-8)
16. Washington Redskins (8-8)
17. Carolina Panthers (9-7)
18. Seattle Seahawks (9-7)
19. Minnesota Vikings (9-7) – NFC North Champs
20. Denver Broncos (9-7)
21. San Diego Chargers (9-7)
22. New York Giants (10-6) – NFC Wildcard
23. New England Patriots (10-6) – AFC East Champs
24. Jacksonville Jaguars (10-6) – AFC Wildcard
25. St. Louis Rams (11-5) – NFC West Champs
26. Tampa Bay Bucs (11-5) – NFC Wildcard
27. Kansas City Chiefs (11-5) – AFC West Champs
28. Atlanta Falcons (12-4) - NFC South - Champs
29. Cincinnati Bengals (12-4) – AFC Wildcard
30. Pittsburgh Steelers (13-3) – AFC North Champs
31. Philadelphia Eagles (14-2) - NFC East Champs, NFC Champs
32. Indianapolis Colts (15-1) - AFC South Champs, AFC Champs, Super bowl Champs

1. Lions – (trade w/49ers) Matt Leinart (QB) - USC
2. Browns – D’Brickashaw Ferguson (OT) - Virginia
3. Jets – Reggie Bush (RB) - USC
4. Texans – Marcus McNeil (OT) - Auburn
5. Bears – Mathias Kiwanuka (DE) – Boston College
6. Packers – Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
7. Cardinals – Omar Jacobs (QB) – Bowling Green
8. 49ers (trade w/Lions) – Jimmy Williams (CB) – Virginia Tech
9. Titans – DeAngelo Williams (RB) - Memphis
10. Bills – Winston Justice (OT) - USC
11. Dolphins – Vince Young (QB) – Texas
12. Raiders – Darnell Bing (S) - USC
13. Saints – AJ Hawk (LB) – Ohio State
14. Ravens – Devin Hester (CB) - Miami
15. Cowboys – Jason Allen (CB/S) – Tennessee
16. Broncos (from Washington) – Mario Williams (DE) - North Carolina State
17. Carolina Panthers – Rodrique Wright (DT) – Texans
18. Seattle Seahawks – Gabe Watson (DT) - Michigan
19. Denver Broncos – Jesse Mahelona (DT) – Tennessee
20. San Diego Chargers – John Scott (OT) – Texas
21. Giants – Chad Greenway (LB) – Iowa
22. Jaguars – Tye Hill (CB) - Clemson
23. Rams – Marcedes Lewis (TE) - UCLA
24. Bengals – Leonard Pope (TE) - Georgia
25. Vikings – Greg Eslinger (OC) - Minnesota
26. Patriots – Charles Gordon (CB) - Kansas
27. Bucs – Brady Quinn (QB) – Notre Dame
28. Chiefs – Chad Jackson (WR) – Florida
29. Falcons – Eric Winston (OT) - Miami
30. Steelers – Lendale White (RB) - USC
31. Eagles – Laurence Maroney (RB) - Minnesota
32. Colts – Martin Nance (WR) - Marshall


This is an excellent blend of pre-season expectations and current season performance, a topic we discussed in an earlier thread. I really like the overall placement of players as far as value is concerned, and have just a few questions regarding selctions, bt instead of stating an opinion on them, I'll simply ask you your reasoning behind it, because everything here looks quite plausible:

1. Is Kiwanuka a value pick for the Bears, and do you see changes in personnel coming this off-season on the line, specifically Alex Brown, thus the reason why Kiwanuka goes to Chicago?

2. Does Winston Justice's criminal pass not stand a chance to deflate his lofty status come draft time (he has been stellar thus far this year).

3. Does Jason Allen's injury relevation yesterday change your current opinion of his first round draft status?

4. Would early entry by Miami TE Olsen reflect a change in your current postion heirarchy?

5. Is DeAngelo Williams a value pick, or a testament in your opinion of Chris Brown's ability/injury history?

6. Who just missed your list? More specifically, Did Michael Huff (CB), D'Qwell Jackson (LB), Greg Blue (S), Claude Wroten (DT) or Derek Hagan (WR) receive consideration on late picks?


Overall, this is a very fair assessment of teams and players at the quarter mark, and at this point see little disagreement in value, just some in fit, but not enough to where any pick looks particularly bogus.

I know we've discussed doing comparison mock drafts, and I may have one at the half way point. Until then, I hope to have a Denver specific draft and player target posted some time this week, and hopefully this evening or afternoon, discussing potential picks and player fit.

Good work here, CP for your effort. EDIT When they become available...

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 11:28 AM
This is an excellent blend of pre-season expectations and current season performance, a topic we discussed in an earlier thread. I really like the overall placement of players as far as value is concerned, and have just a few questions regarding selctions, bt instead of stating an opinion on them, I'll simply ask you your reasoning behind it, because everything here looks quite plausible:

1. Is Kiwanuka a value pick for the Bears, and do you see changes in personnel coming this off-season on the line, specifically Alex Brown, thus the reason why Kiwanuka goes to Chicago?

Value pick, though I don't really like this projection. For some reason I thought Alex Brown would be a FA after this season, but he received a 5 year extension last year which I did not know. With Ogunleye under a long term deal, its very unlikely they'd spend big on another DE even though they do only have 3 on the roster. I think they will draft a DE still, but not this high. This pick will be changed by next mock. Probably back to AJ Hawk.


2. Does Winston Justice's criminal pass not stand a chance to deflate his lofty status come draft time (he has been stellar thus far this year).

I think he's in the running to be the 2nd best OT behind Ferguson. His past is nothing major, he pulled a fake gun on a guy. That's not that bad in my book, I don't know why, perhaps the guy was threatening him, who knows. What I do know is that Winston and McNeil have not looked as impressive as they were reputed to be, and that Justice has.


3. Does Jason Allen's injury relevation yesterday change your current opinion of his first round draft status?

Yes. If his hip is dislocated as rumored, that'll put him on the shelf for 6-9 months before he can really start running again. The guy is a great player though and worst case, he probably slips into the late second round. He certainly won't be a top 25 pick unless the injury is not as severe as it seems. I left him in my mock because I did it just after Week 4 of the season, and didn't want to change anything.


4. Would early entry by Miami TE Olsen reflect a change in your current postion heirarchy?

No, I think Olson is a 3rd round talent if he comes out this season. He needs to stay in school.


5. Is DeAngelo Williams a value pick, or a testament in your opinion of Chris Brown's ability/injury history?

Definitely not a value pick, and I really battled with this selection. Travis Henry looks to be on the outs due to his recent drug suspension and whining about playing time. And Chris Brown is just not a touchdown maker, he's not tough by any means. And his injuries are a problem. I think a RB is a need here, but they need a bulldozer type and while I believe Maroney is better then Williams, he's not that type of player. LenDale White is though, and I almost put him here. I will not be surprised at all if White is drafted before Williams. White is the 2nd coming of Jerome Bettis. And this team needs a bruiser to pair with Brown. Again, I'm assuming the team wont want to re-sign Henry long term now after this season.


6. Who just missed your list? More specifically, Did Michael Huff (CB), D'Qwell Jackson (LB), Greg Blue (S), Claude Wroten (DT) or Derek Hagan (WR) receive consideration on late picks?

Derek Hagan and Todd Watkins were in consideration over Martin Nance, but I'm a huge fan of Nance, huge. Micheal Huff is certainly a fringe 1st rounder. Ahmad Brooks, but I'm fairly certain he won't turn pro this year after his injury situation. Blue seems like a 2nd round player to me, Im not big on hard hitting safeties going early in the draft. Traditionally the good ones fall in the late 2nd, early 3rd round area. OTs Trueblood and Whitworth are battling for that number 2 OT slot as well. Either could be going within the top 10 by the draft. The OT depth is just nuts. Ashton Youboty if he comes out is a fringe 1st rounder at CB, as is Blackmon despite being used as a WR this season.

As for DTs, I still think Montgomery will be a possible 1st rounder by draft time. There's a bunch of them that could be interchangable. Oshinowo might replace Watson or join him. Then you have Wroten, Dvoracek (yes), and Orion Harris that all might be factors. Basically, at this point, there's a lot of guys that just missed.

OhNoKoolAid
10-11-2005, 12:12 PM
I would also imagine that Chicago may entertain thoughts of goig with a QB if they were to reach number one overall, or fall to picks 5-10, depending on the patience of Lovie Smith or him wanting to bring in his franchise guy. Orton was brought in for depth, and he likely will return there at season's end. I think the pressure may be on Smith to go after Leinart and give his playmakers on offense a chance. After that, outside linebacker, specifically A.J. Hawk, may be less of a concern, as they appear pleased with the play of Lance Briggs. Briggs does have the size and strength to move over to SLB if need be. Something about this team isn't clicking besides the QB position. If they like Grossman enough, they could also go offensive line, and draft a tackle to mold behind Tait and Miller, perhaps one to start out at guard before moving over. I think Chicago could go any number of directions here.

I think the Titans could go any number of directions at this point. One need is receiver, preferably an explosive one, but the draft is of course thin. A shortage in supply, may increase demand and inflate the value of several players. Santonio Holmes or another speedster could also go to Tennessee, especially if they win enough to push this pick back five spots. The secondary also could be addressed, and a Tye Hill could fit here as well.

No Justice's criminal past isn't too serious, considering how it didn't effect Rolle, but he will be pressed to show commitment by coaches and scouts during interviews. I'd say he's the wildcard tackle, and could vault to second on the board if he says all the right things at the combine/pro day.

Do you like Scott over a more polished player in Youngblood? Certainly Scott's ceiling is very high, and he showed more tenacity this past weekend in run blocking than I've seen in the past, but he is still a big gamble at left tackle. I'm not saying he shouldn't be a first rounder, just playing a little devil's advocate.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-11-2005, 06:23 PM
I would also imagine that Chicago may entertain thoughts of goig with a QB if they were to reach number one overall, or fall to picks 5-10, depending on the patience of Lovie Smith or him wanting to bring in his franchise guy. Orton was brought in for depth, and he likely will return there at season's end. I think the pressure may be on Smith to go after Leinart and give his playmakers on offense a chance. After that, outside linebacker, specifically A.J. Hawk, may be less of a concern, as they appear pleased with the play of Lance Briggs. Briggs does have the size and strength to move over to SLB if need be. Something about this team isn't clicking besides the QB position. If they like Grossman enough, they could also go offensive line, and draft a tackle to mold behind Tait and Miller, perhaps one to start out at guard before moving over. I think Chicago could go any number of directions here.

I think the Titans could go any number of directions at this point. One need is receiver, preferably an explosive one, but the draft is of course thin. A shortage in supply, may increase demand and inflate the value of several players. Santonio Holmes or another speedster could also go to Tennessee, especially if they win enough to push this pick back five spots. The secondary also could be addressed, and a Tye Hill could fit here as well.

No Justice's criminal past isn't too serious, considering how it didn't effect Rolle, but he will be pressed to show commitment by coaches and scouts during interviews. I'd say he's the wildcard tackle, and could vault to second on the board if he says all the right things at the combine/pro day.

Do you like Scott over a more polished player in Youngblood? Certainly Scott's ceiling is very high, and he showed more tenacity this past weekend in run blocking than I've seen in the past, but he is still a big gamble at left tackle. I'm not saying he shouldn't be a first rounder, just playing a little devil's advocate.

Agree with the analysis on the Bears multitude of possible needs. An OT is a definite possibility, Im not so sure about QB though. I think the team is fine with Orton and Grossman, whom they will not release. My thinking is the team will move Briggs to the strongside and draft Hawk to play weakside. Drafting early, the Bears could likely still get a top OT in the top of the 2nd round to groom. I think value here will be at LB for this team. The team needs more talent there.


I'm very comfortable saying the Titans will not even consider a WR. They drafted 3-4 last draft, and they are really high on Brandon Jones and Roydell Williams. Mix in Drew Bennett and Tyrone Calico and they are set. They shipped a 3rd round pick to Buffalo for Henry this offseason, that's a steep price and I doubt he's resigned now. There's a definite huge need at RB, I still think they go that route. Secondary is certainly an option, but they won't take Hill. They drafted one midget CB last season in Jones, that division is becomming pass happy and they need a big cover CB. If Jimmy Williams is around....


I really like Jonathon Scott. Of course, I really like Jeremy Trueblood as well. As of now, its really hard to distinguish between that entire group behind Ferguson. I think Marcus McNeil has the most raw talent, but I'm not sure he'll be a LT in the NFL, which may drop him post combine. I think Scott is very solid all around. And Trueblood may actually lose some stock because of his height. It all depends on who is the QB and the degree of athleticism required in the scheme.

At this early point, the guys haven't really distinguished themselves so much. All the season really does is weed out some players due to injuries and poor performances (Eric Winston). Post season bowl and All-Star games is where it begins and the Combine is Gi-Normous for distinguishing players. Right now its all educated guess work. Im actually having more fun picking the draft order then the projected picks.

Elway=Goat
10-12-2005, 09:00 AM
Hey, pretty good mock...But please dont tell me your buying into the colts hype...

BroncoStampede
10-12-2005, 10:08 AM
since you have the Broncos picking 2 defensive lineman in the first round, are you assuming that we will cut loose both Warren and Brown?

Momentum
10-12-2005, 11:42 AM
Your current draft is a nightmare, IMO.

Jared
10-12-2005, 01:54 PM
Hey, pretty good mock...But please dont tell me your buying into the colts hype...


I assumed he is posting based on current records, needs, and injuries to draft eligible players.

I am sure this will change throught the season. I see that he left spaces to paste in different mocks throughout the season so, I assume that what is currently posted is just an assessment as of the date posted.

OrangeShadow
10-12-2005, 02:26 PM
Very well done in depth mock.

OhNoKoolAid
10-12-2005, 04:36 PM
I assumed he is posting based on current records, needs, and injuries to draft eligible players.

I am sure this will change throught the season. I see that he left spaces to paste in different mocks throughout the season so, I assume that what is currently posted is just an assessment as of the date posted.

It does appear to be on needs and draft eligible players, but the records are done based on his opinion of their finishes, not current records, although, obviously, they play a part regardless.

To the post you quoted; why would you not buy into the Colts? Until proven otherwise, the pieces they have assembled on defense, bringing in Simon and moving Brackett into the starting lineup have picked this group up tremedously. Brackett is making plays sideline to sideline, and has been the smaller version of Trotter for the Colts run defense. Freeney is the defensive MVP and is a true freak of nature, and Mathis is leading the league in sacks, and cannot be blocked one on one when rushing the passer. The scary part of it all is that the offense is still skipping and sputtering, and I can assure you, it too will get back on track. This is a damn good football team with real talent on both sides of the ball. At this point, hating on the Colts is like hating on USC, they are so loaded in playmakers that you feel a bit of envy towards them.

And while I'm at it, to Mo, who never has more than one liners, if you want to be taken seriously, please explain why you dissaprove of things other than simple opinion. People don't come to boards for shear opinion, they come for discussion. So state your basis behind you r opinions or fade back into poster obscurity where everyone skips over your one line posts anyways...

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-12-2005, 05:49 PM
since you have the Broncos picking 2 defensive lineman in the first round, are you assuming that we will cut loose both Warren and Brown?

I believe we won't be able to afford Warren or Brown. Pryce may have played his way back into the future plans, but he might be cut as well. Cutting Ekuban would save 2 million as well.

Remember, we are 27 million over the cap. That's alot, and while we will manage to get by, its going to limit our Free Agent spending, which means Brown, Warren, Lepsis, and Walls will all be tough to re-sign, even if we want to.

I think if nothing else, the team has finally figured out how much difference a decent D-line makes, and they will want to develop that area for the future.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-12-2005, 05:52 PM
Your current draft is a nightmare, IMO.

By nightmare, you mean realistic?

Ngata is my favorite player in this draft, but he likely won't be available. If we can net an amazing Power DE such as Mario Williams, then I'd hardly declare the draft a nightmare.

But to each their own.

Jared
10-12-2005, 09:29 PM
To the post you quoted; why would you not buy into the Colts?

Are you asking me or Elway=GOAT?

I think the Colts look for real. If they get homefield, it would be a HUGE chokejob to not get to the Super Bowl.

rcsodak
10-12-2005, 10:29 PM
Remember, we are 27 million over the cap. That's alot,

Just curious, mug, as to where you came up with this number?
I've seen "opinions" ranging from $90-100Million......

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-13-2005, 07:55 AM
Just curious, mug, as to where you came up with this number?
I've seen "opinions" ranging from $90-100Million......



The Denver Broncos have 46 players under contract with $117.809 million against the cap. That's $27.8 million over the cap. However, while Denver's number seems high on the surface but isn't as treacherous as the others in their division.

They'll need to add a few players to get up to 53 but they aren't in the grave shape of the Raiders. What can Denver do? DT Trevor Pryce is counting $10.296 against the 2006 cap. They will surely ask him to help them but after Pryce was already asked to take a pay cut, he should insist against it somehow get released to hit the open market. Pryce has shown he's back to Pro Bowl form and could likely get paid on the open market. They could also restructure and give him another lucrative contract that will help their cap situation. They could save about $7 million by re-doing him but he won't take another cut.

The can re-do Champ Bailey ($9.798 million cap hit) and pick up about $4 million. They can pick up about $7.6 million if they waive good-bye to Gerard Warren. Between offensive linemen Matt Lepsis and Tom Nalen they are costing $10.4 million but both have contracts that void. Releasing Ebenezer Ekuban would free up about $3 million.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4966370

BroncoStampede
10-13-2005, 09:46 AM
I think the team will try to hold on to Warren at all costs, just because Al Wilson likes him and Shanahan has bragged about him through the media..

I think Brown is definentely gone along with Walls, and likely either Nalen, Lepsis or both unfortunately.

We may make a few minor trades and signings, however the front office is going to gear up for the draft because thats the only real talent we will get this offseason. (Hopefully)

I guarantee you that one of our first round picks will be an offensive lineman. Quote that and save it 'til draft day.

OhNoKoolAid
10-13-2005, 10:54 AM
Are you asking me or Elway=GOAT?

I think the Colts look for real. If they get homefield, it would be a HUGE chokejob to not get to the Super Bowl.

No, to Elway=GOAT, like you, I'm in firm agreement that they would be near unstoppable should they receive homefield advantage, and getting to play Houston and Tennessee twice will certainly help their cause. People are reading too much into their current schedulde, instead, people should note that outside the Jacksonville game, who always give them fits, Indianapolis has dominated games. I think right now, it is Indianapolis and then everybody else.

This reminds me Jared, do you remember a conversation we had a while back regarding the Ravens and the 46 defense, and how we discussed why it may not work for them? Thus far, we seem to have hit that one on the head. Kiper even said on ESPN radio this morning that their defense is the most overrated in football and that style really doesn't suit them well. This may be the end of the road for Brian Billick, this team needs the 3-4 back next season.

Jared
10-13-2005, 11:00 AM
This reminds me Jared, do you remember a conversation we had a while back regarding the Ravens and the 46 defense, and how we discussed why it may not work for them? Thus far, we seem to have hit that one on the head. Kiper even said on ESPN radio this morning that their defense is the most overrated in football and that style really doesn't suit them well. This may be the end of the road for Brian Billick, this team needs the 3-4 back next season.


I have memories of that conversation, although no specifics.

I think I basically said that I didn't think the Ravens have enough talent at every position to pull off the 46, especially along their d-line. And I think that sai dthere was a reason no one was using it anymore, namely the salary cap. The Bears were a special team.

We could bring that thread back up and discuss it further, given how their d is seemingly rather ordinary so far.

But I can't recall exactly what I said.

OhNoKoolAid
10-13-2005, 11:08 AM
I have memories of that conversation, although no specifics.

I think I basically said that I didn't think the Ravens have enough talent at every position to pull off the 46, especially along their d-line. And I think that sai dthere was a reason no one was using it anymore, namely the salary cap. The Bears were a special team.

We could bring that thread back up and discuss it further, given how their d is seemingly rather ordinary so far.

But I can't recall exactly what I said.

I think we discussed it thouroughly enough as to not have much more to say regarding the fact other than "told you so's" to people who couldn't give the slightest what anyone thought of the Ravens' D on a Broncos' messageboard.

Basically, what it comes down to is that too many teams receive a free pass by not only media members, but knowledgeable analysts as well. Looking at the personnel fit into the system, if you had no prior ties to either Billick or the organization, you may think, hey, "these guys don't have the beef up front to pull this off." I think it stands to reason that teams should be analyzed on a year to year basis, and what was done last season under different coach or personnel may not hold true the following season. Patterns can be found when tenured coaches make different adjustments, ala Vermeil and their repeatedly poor-average defense, yet in other circumstances, personnel decisions without coaching changes can have a significant effect from year to yar, as seen in Indianapolis. So in essence, no one deserves a free pass without looking into the "fit" of changes made from year to year.

Momentum
10-13-2005, 03:20 PM
By nightmare, you mean realistic?

Something like that ;)

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-04-2005, 12:12 PM
<Bump> Midseason mock is up.

MileHighSpirit
11-05-2005, 09:59 AM
Mid-Season Mock

1. San Francisco 49ers (3-13)
2. Cleveland Browns (4-12)
3. NY Jets (4-12)
4. Houston Texans (4-12)
5. New Orleans Saints (4-12)
6. Green Bay Packers (5-11)
7. Arizona Cardinals (5-11)
8. Minnesota Vikings (5-11)
9. Buffalo Bills (6-10)
10. Tennessee Titans (6-10)
11. Detroit Lions (6-10)
12. Miami Dolphins (6-10)
13. Baltimore Ravens (6-10)
14. Oakland Raiders (8-8)
15. St. Louis Rams (8-8)
16. Tampa Bay Bucs (8-8)
17. Chicago Bears (8-8) NFC North Champs
18. Dallas Cowboys (9-7)
19. Washington Redskins (9-7)
20. New England Patriots (10-6) AFC East Champs
21. San Diego Chargers (10-6)
22. Denver Broncos (10-6)
23. Carolina Panthers (10-6) NFC Wildcard
24. NY Giants (10-6) NFC Wildcard
25. Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) AFC Wildcard
26. Cincinnati Bengals (11-5) AFC Wildcard
27. Kansas City Chiefs (11-5) AFC West Champs
28. Atlanta Falcons (11-5) NFC South - Champs
29. Seattle Seahawks (12-4) NFC West Champs
30. Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4) AFC North Champs
31. Philadelphia Eagles (10-6) NFC East Champs, NFC Champs
32. Indianapolis Colts (14-2) AFC South Champs, AFC Champs, Super bowl Champs



1. 49ers – RB Reggie Bush
2. Browns – OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Jets – DT Haloti Ngata
4. Texans – LB AJ Hawk
5. Saints – QB Matt Leinart
6. Packers – RB DeAngelo Williams
7. Cardinals – OT Marcus McNeil
8. Vikings – RB Laurence Maroney
9. Bills – LB DeMeco Ryans
10. Titans – CB Jimmy Williams
11. Lions – QB Vince Young
12. Dolphins – OT Winston Justice
13. Ravens – LB Chad Greenway
14. Raiders – DE Mathias Kiwanuka
15. Rams – DE Mario Williams
16. Bucs – WR Hank Baskett
17. Bears – OG Davin Joseph
18. Cowboys – OT John Scott
19. Broncos – DE Tamba Hali
20. Patriots – LB/DE Elvis Dumervil
21. Chargers – S Darnell Bing
22. Broncos – DT Rodrique Wright
23. Panthers – WR Derek Hagan
24. Giants – CB/S Micheal Huff
25. Jaguars – OG Max-Jean Gilles
26. Bengals – TE Marcedes Lewis
27. Chiefs – CB Tye Hill
28. Falcons – OT Eric Winston
29. Seahawks – S Jason Allen
30. Steelers – RB LenDale White
31. Eagles – DE Ray Edwards
32. Colts – WR Santonio Holmes

I love your assessment of team needs and (from past practice) how they deal with them. You definitely have good understanding of how each team likes to operate. Overall this is a interesting and well done mock draft. I am definitely looking forward to your end of the year and pre draft mocks. Keep up the good work.

That being said, I have a few questions, comments, and philosophies...



14. Oakland Raiders (8-8)
15. St. Louis Rams (8-8)
16. Tampa Bay Bucs (8-8)
17. Chicago Bears (8-8) NFC North Champs
18. Dallas Cowboys (9-7)
19. Washington Redskins (9-7)
20. New England Patriots (10-6) AFC East Champs
21. San Diego Chargers (10-6)
22. Denver Broncos (10-6)
23. Carolina Panthers (10-6) NFC Wildcard
24. NY Giants (10-6) NFC Wildcard
25. Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) AFC Wildcard
26. Cincinnati Bengals (11-5) AFC Wildcard
27. Kansas City Chiefs (11-5) AFC West Champs


I can understand where you may think that Denver may not win the division, but I can't see where you think the Chiefs will. Their showing against San Diego should be some indication of the problems they are having. I understand that they won against Miami and Washington, but we both know that neither team is that good. The Chiefs still have to play @Dallas and @NY(n). Both of those games I'd have to say the Chiefs will lose at this point. Those games alone give them five losses, and with NE, Cincy, San Diego, Denver, and a possibly tough @Buffalo still on the schedule I can't see the Chiefs finishing better than 10-6; and that is being VERY generous.

If anybody is going to challenge Denver for the AFC west crown at this point it will be San Diego. Their record puts them in a big hole, but they have the type of team that get on a roll and never stop.

I also think that Denver will finish at least 11-5 this year. I know it has happened in the past, but I can't see us dropping four games in the back stretch of the season. Three losses is definitely possible with five road games coming up. If we do lose four of the next eight, however, I will say that San Diego has won the division. It won't be the Chiefs.

This has very little to do with your mock though, so I will move on...


8. Vikings – RB Laurence Maroney

Maroney seems a little overhyped and I can't see him going this high. The idea of the Vikings staying in-state for their pick is nice, but with so many serviceable backs on their roster they won't go for another; especially a reach like Maroney.



14. Raiders – DE Mathias Kiwanuka
15. Rams – DE Mario Williams
16. Bucs – WR Hank Baskett
17. Bears – OG Davin Joseph
18. Cowboys – OT John Scott
19. Broncos – DE Tamba Hali
20. Patriots – LB/DE Elvis Dumervil
21. Chargers – S Darnell Bing
22. Broncos – DT Rodrique Wright

While I love the idea of Denver taking two D-lineman, if both Kiwanuka and Williams make it to pick 12 and we don't trade up, but still go for a DE I would be very angry. :mad: Williams alone would make the draft a success. There is nothing you can do but simply agree that he will be dominant at the next level.

Also, I am disliking Wright more and more. His work ethic turns me off. I want players with gusto in Denver, not Cheetos. Trade up for Williams, and then take Marcedes Lewis with the 2nd pick and I'll be happy. It's not like we both don't know Shanahan will go after a guy like Lewis anyway. Besides, Babatunde Oshinowo, Claude Wroten, and Orien Harris will likely all turn out better than Wright.


29. Seahawks – S Jason Allen

You still think someone will chance it on Allen in the first round?... even when Greg Blue is still on the board? Greg Blue could likely go before Darnell Bing and Michael Huff. He is the type of monster player everyone wants.


Again, great draft, keep up the good work. :cheers:

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-05-2005, 10:39 AM
I love your assessment of team needs and (from past practice) how they deal with them. You definitely have good understanding of how each team likes to operate. Overall this is a interesting and well done mock draft. I am definitely looking forward to your end of the year and pre draft mocks. Keep up the good work.

Much Thanks.



That being said, I have a few questions, comments, and philosophies...



I can understand where you may think that Denver may not win the division, but I can't see where you think the Chiefs will. Their showing against San Diego should be some indication of the problems they are having. I understand that they won against Miami and Washington, but we both know that neither team is that good. The Chiefs still have to play @Dallas and @NY(n). Both of those games I'd have to say the Chiefs will lose at this point. Those games alone give them five losses, and with NE, Cincy, San Diego, Denver, and a possibly tough @Buffalo still on the schedule I can't see the Chiefs finishing better than 10-6; and that is being VERY generous.

You might laugh at this, but I think the Chiefs will win out, maybe losing to the Giants in NY. They always win divisional games at home, and that's all that's left. They should have absolutely crushed the Eagles, but like Denver, allowed them to come back, and unlike Denver, did not make a play to win the game. They should have won that game in a laugher though.

They lost to San Diego and Denver on the road. That's normal and expected.

The Chiefs have a great run defense, they really do, and they would actually have a decent pass defense is Warfield and Surtain can stay healthy. Those guys have missed the vast majority of all the games. Surtain is the equivalent of Champ, if they get him healthy, they can do a lot of things differently in terms of packages. That being said, he'll probably again miss this week.

I'm also assuming Trent Green stays healthy and the offense starts clicking like it did the 2nd half of last season. I expect both, and I think the defense is much improved and if the key guys would get healthy, it would really show.

I think KC is the best team in the AFC West.



If anybody is going to challenge Denver for the AFC west crown at this point it will be San Diego. Their record puts them in a big hole, but they have the type of team that get on a roll and never stop.

I also think that Denver will finish at least 11-5 this year. I know it has happened in the past, but I can't see us dropping four games in the back stretch of the season. Three losses is definitely possible with five road games coming up. If we do lose four of the next eight, however, I will say that San Diego has won the division. It won't be the Chiefs.

This has very little to do with your mock though, so I will move on...

San Diego will lose in KC, Indy, and Washington. They are a great team that got crushed by a killer schedule playing so many good teams on the road. It think they will lose 2-3 more games, and I think KC wont.


The deal with Denver is that historically, we are the absolute best team in the NFL in winning home games, and historically, we have the absolute largest differential in winning % between home games and road games.

Why does this matter?

Because we are the only team in the NFL this season to already play 5 homes games, and we won them all, as usual. We've only played 3 games on the road, and we are 1-2.

The second half of the schedule is basically ALL road games AND they are against division rivals on the road where we always lose. Going by history, we are in a world of trouble due to a super hard remaining schedule and our tendency to collapse late in the season.

Its going to be tough for Denver to win the AFC West.



Maroney seems a little overhyped and I can't see him going this high. The idea of the Vikings staying in-state for their pick is nice, but with so many serviceable backs on their roster they won't go for another; especially a reach like Maroney.

The Vikings are averaging 50 yards a game on the ground. Tice said his number one target in the first round of last draft was a RB, preferably Cadillac Williams. Moe Williams, the goal line specialist, is injured and on his last legs. Mewelde Moore is a decent 3rd down back and return specialist, but has not proven to be an effective starting RB. Ciatrick Fason has been a bust so far and is said to be very raw. The best RB, the Whizzinator, is going to be cut in the massive offseason house cleaning.

They'll take a RB, unless they can get Leinart or Ferguson. It depends where they pick. Maroney is definitely a top 15 guy, some scouts have him ranked above DeAngelo Williams due to his speed. He's definitely not a reach unless he's a top 5 pick. From 5-15 makes sense to me, the combine will really solidify his status as he's expected to do really well there while DeAngelo Williams is expected to struggle with the speed and agility drills.

And don't underestimate the strong need for PR work after this debaucle of a season. Drafting a home state hero to instantly start would generate revenue and renew interest.




While I love the idea of Denver taking two D-lineman, if both Kiwanuka and Williams make it to pick 12 and we don't trade up, but still go for a DE I would be very angry. :mad: Williams alone would make the draft a success. There is nothing you can do but simply agree that he will be dominant at the next level.

Also, I am disliking Wright more and more. His work ethic turns me off. I want players with gusto in Denver, not Cheetos. Trade up for Williams, and then take Marcedes Lewis with the 2nd pick and I'll be happy. It's not like we both don't know Shanahan will go after a guy like Lewis anyway. Besides, Babatunde Oshinowo, Claude Wroten, and Orien Harris will likely all turn out better than Wright.

I agree, I think the best option depending on where we pick is to trade up for Williams or Kiwanuka. However, it would require both 1st round picks to do so, thus there would be no second pick in the 1st round. I think Putzier is the answer at TE anyway.

Oshinowo is a fringe 1st rounder as it is now. He's a very good prospect and would be a great NT investment, but Rod Wright is a much better talent. I don't buy the "work ethic" argument at all, they said that about Marcus Stroud as well, they had vastly similar collegiate careers and both have all the talent in the world. Give Wright the money, put him on a team with a good coach, and he'll get it done. A really lazy guy is Gabe Watson and he still may go in the first as well, teams invest on talent and the opinion THEY can coach the guy up to that talent and remove laziness. That approach is successful more often then not.

Harris has played himself almost out of the 1st day this season. Wroten is a fringe 1st rounder and probably the closest competition for Wright along with Mohlena. Wright has the most skills and talent, the other guys will have to really shine at the senior bowls and combine to leap him.



You still think someone will chance it on Allen in the first round?... even when Greg Blue is still on the board? Greg Blue could likely go before Darnell Bing and Michael Huff. He is the type of monster player everyone wants.


Again, great draft, keep up the good work. :cheers:

Jason Allen at SAFETY, if he'll agree to play it, is the absolute best all-around safety to come out since Sean Taylor. If he hadn't been injured, he would have been a top 10 pick by draft time. His injury is supposed to be healed by the combine or before the draft (priviate workouts), so there's a chance he can restablish himself towards the top of the draft. However, hip injuries are risky, so I think he show well at his workouts but wont be taken until late 1st when his talent makes him a great risk v. reward.

Greg Blue is going to be hurt by the perceived system at Georgia and Thomas Davis' failures in the NFL at safety. He'll still get drafted in the late 2nd or early 3rd, but strong safeties tend to slip on draft day.

Rockwilder24
11-05-2005, 02:50 PM
How does Jason Allen compare to Sean Taylor, If he is like him id want the broncos to grab him.

OhNoKoolAid
11-05-2005, 03:00 PM
How does Jason Allen compare to Sean Taylor, If he is like him id want the broncos to grab him.

He doesn't compare too favorably to Sean Taylor. He isn't in Taylor's class as a hitter or run stuffer. Allen, if he were to play safety, would be more of the two deep or cover two type safety, or to put it better, a centerfield type. I would say he is a better player and better athlete than Dexter Jackson, the Tampa Bay Super Bowl MVP, and could be a solid fit as a true free safety. First round then becomes a stretch. Allen is a good player, but he's no Sean Taylor.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-05-2005, 03:36 PM
He doesn't compare too favorably to Sean Taylor. He isn't in Taylor's class as a hitter or run stuffer. Allen, if he were to play safety, would be more of the two deep or cover two type safety, or to put it better, a centerfield type. I would say he is a better player and better athlete than Dexter Jackson, the Tampa Bay Super Bowl MVP, and could be a solid fit as a true free safety. First round then becomes a stretch. Allen is a good player, but he's no Sean Taylor.


I'd put him in Taylor's class as a run stuffer for certain, no doubt.

As for hitting, probably not, but Taylor has been more of a playmaker then hitter in the pro's, so in that regard, they match up favorably.

I really don't see a lot of difference between Sean Taylor, Jason Allen, OR Jimmy Williams. All 3 of those guys look the same to me, except Williams can probably be a really good CB as well. The other two, likely not.

As draft time approaches, these three guys are going to be compared alot I think. And if Jimmy Williams gets pegged as a safety, and he's fine with it, then he's going to get incredible press and he'll be a top 5 selection.

One thing is for sure, this is a very poor top heavy CB draft.

Charlie Brown
11-05-2005, 03:42 PM
There is no way in heck the Browns pass up on AJ Hawk.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-08-2005, 04:31 PM
Newest mock is in based on all the latest whispers and performances. As well as a personal bias on the players mixed in.

** Orion Harris is excluded because I dont think he's very good. Even though he will likely be a 1st round pick.

** Elvis Dumervil is boosted about 10 spots with the expectation he shines in his all star games and is viewed as the top 3-4 OLB. This is also assuming Kiwanuka is not viewed in that light.

** LBs slip in value, happens every year.

** I am officially adopting Babatunde Oshinowo since Haloti Ngata has sky rocketed to superstardom on me, and predicting him to be great no longer is much of a boast. (I would like to still point out I adopted him when he was still a relative unknown prior to this college season).

** The WRs this year are just bad. It wouldn't shock me if none went in the 1st round.

** I am assuming Vernon Davis, Leonard Pope, Brady Quinn, and Stanley McClover do not come out.

Retire #30!!!
12-08-2005, 05:30 PM
CP to MUG for all the excellent work on the mock draft, I definetly agree on two defensive linemen with the first two picks. Hopefully Washington can lose 3 out of their next four games and get into the top 12. Looking forward to your next mocks.

MowrMowr
12-08-2005, 06:14 PM
** I am assuming Vernon Davis, Leonard Pope, Brady Quinn, and Stanley McClover do not come out.

Vernon Davis has already said he's coming out.

WABronco
12-08-2005, 06:16 PM
3rd Quarter Mock
1. 49ers – RB Reggie Bush - USC
2. Jets – QB Matt Leinart - USC
3. Texans – OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson – Virginia
4. Saints – DT Haloti Ngata – Oregon
5. Browns – OLB/DE Elvis Dumervil – Louisville
6. Packers – RB LenDale White - USC
7. Titans – DE Mathias Kiwanuka – Boston College
8. Lions – CB/S Jimmy Williams – Virginia Tech
9. Bills – OT Winston Justice - USC
10. Cardinals – QB Vince Young - Texas
11. Ravens – DE Mario Williams – North Carolina State
12. Raiders – LB AJ Hawk – Ohio State
13. Eagles – DE Tamba Hali – Penn State
14. Dolphins – OT Marcus McNeil - Auburn
15. Rams – DT Claude Wroten - LSU
16. Broncos – DE Gaines Adams - Clemson
17. Vikings – RB Laurence Maroney - Minnesota
18. Falcons – CB/S Michael Huff - Texas
19. Cowboys – LB Chad Greenway – Iowa
20. Steelers – RB DeAngelo Williams – Memphis
21. Bucs – DE Quentin Moses - Georgia
22. Patriots – S Darnell Bing - USC
23. Giants – OT Eric Winston - Maimi
24. Chiefs – WR Santonio Holmes – Ohio State
25. Chargers – CB Tye Hill - Clemson
26. Bears – TE Marcedes Lewis – UCLA
27. Jaguars – OG Max-Jean Gilles – Georgia
28. Panthers – LB DeMeco Ryans - Alabama
29. Bengals – DT Babatunde Oshinowo – Stanford
30. Broncos – DT Brodrick Bunkley - FSU
31. Seahawks – OG Davin Joseph - Oklahoma
32. Colts – WR Derek Hagan – Arizona State

Good mock dude...

Dumervil at #5? Wow, I'm not disagreeing, it's just interesting that he'd jump up that high. Of course, he's kinda in the same boat as Ware...

How bout this Bunkley guy? I've watched a few FSU games, but none close enough to notice him.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-08-2005, 06:39 PM
Vernon Davis has already said he's coming out.

Hmm, Ill have to update accordingly.

Ok, Vernon Davis 26th to the Bears.
** Fits in better with the blocking requirements.

Marcedes Lewis 28th to the Panthers.
**Steve Smith needs receiving help.

Demeco Ryans 32nd to the Colts.
** Both June and Brackett are RFA and if somebody doesn't steal one or both this year, they will lose one or both due to financial restraints next year.


Dropped: Derek Hagan
** Meh, he'll go early 2nd.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-08-2005, 06:45 PM
Good mock dude...

Dumervil at #5? Wow, I'm not disagreeing, it's just interesting that he'd jump up that high. Of course, he's kinda in the same boat as Ware...

How bout this Bunkley guy? I've watched a few FSU games, but none close enough to notice him.


Dumervil is winning just about every defensive award there is. He's actually had a solid and consistent collegiate career. And he seems primed to be a 3-4 OLB with pass rush speciality written all over him. Which the Browns need in spades.

Of course with all that being said, I'm making a pretty big leap of faith there. If he doesn't really turn some heads at the senior bowls and combine, he'll fall back to the late teens early 20s. I am expecting a DeMarcus Ware type rise. But Ive probably overshot him a bit. We'll see. But I think he'll go higher then anyone might think.

As for Bunkley, I hate FSU defensive lineman. I don't trust them, I think they are a product of the talent surrounding them. However, some are good. The DTs tend to be solid while the DEs tend to be busts. Bunkley looks flat out superb as a 'Nole, I'd be fine with drafting him at the end of the 1st. Personally, I'd prefer Rodrique Wright if we are going with a 3-technique type, which is probably wishful thinking on my part. Bunkley is a great pass rusher.

WABronco
12-08-2005, 06:53 PM
Dumervil is winning just about every defensive award there is. He's actually had a solid and consistent collegiate career. And he seems primed to be a 3-4 OLB with pass rush speciality written all over him. Which the Browns need in spades.

Of course with all that being said, I'm making a pretty big leap of faith there. If he doesn't really turn some heads at the senior bowls and combine, he'll fall back to the late teens early 20s. I am expecting a DeMarcus Ware type rise. But Ive probably overshot him a bit. We'll see. But I think he'll go higher then anyone might think.

As for Bunkley, I hate FSU defensive lineman. I don't trust them, I think they are a product of the talent surrounding them. However, some are good. The DTs tend to be solid while the DEs tend to be busts. Bunkley looks flat out superb as a 'Nole, I'd be fine with drafting him at the end of the 1st. Personally, I'd prefer Rodrique Wright if we are going with a 3-technique type, which is probably wishful thinking on my part. Bunkley is a great pass rusher.

Cool, thanks man...

OhNoKoolAid
12-08-2005, 07:42 PM
Dumervil is winning just about every defensive award there is. He's actually had a solid and consistent collegiate career. And he seems primed to be a 3-4 OLB with pass rush speciality written all over him. Which the Browns need in spades.

Of course with all that being said, I'm making a pretty big leap of faith there. If he doesn't really turn some heads at the senior bowls and combine, he'll fall back to the late teens early 20s. I am expecting a DeMarcus Ware type rise. But Ive probably overshot him a bit. We'll see. But I think he'll go higher then anyone might think.

As for Bunkley, I hate FSU defensive lineman. I don't trust them, I think they are a product of the talent surrounding them. However, some are good. The DTs tend to be solid while the DEs tend to be busts. Bunkley looks flat out superb as a 'Nole, I'd be fine with drafting him at the end of the 1st. Personally, I'd prefer Rodrique Wright if we are going with a 3-technique type, which is probably wishful thinking on my part. Bunkley is a great pass rusher.

Brunkley's selection by the Broncos in your draft is quite ironic, since he essentially pulled a Travis Johnson, a player you staunchly opposed. Bunkley was considered a decent NT prospect with decent athleticism, but a motor complimented with the term "inconsistent." He has looked outstanding this season though, and Vick is still picking parts of Brunkley's jersey out of his midsection.

Dumervil is probably too high. I'm not sold on him being every 3-4's OLB, since some place a significant emphasis on height, being able to disrupt passing lanes and consistently take on blockers. Dallas' 3-4 is one good example of this fact, and I know Belicheck puts a premium on size. Others, like the Texans and ex-Ravens scheme did not emphasize player height to the extent of the rest, since their system was predicated on athleticism and slipping blocks. Pittsburgh is another in this category. Dumervil must also prove his mettle in All Star games and the combine, against a quality NFL lineman in Charles Spencer of Pitt, Dumervil looked quite average. I'm not doubting him, just recognizing he still has work to do.

Anyone who drafts Gaines Adams gets my approval though. I'm not sure it is a boast, but I've seen all but three Clemson games this season, call it an odd fascination of Charlie Whitehurst if you will, and Gaines Adams looks like a game changer. He's hard to compare with other players, and right now, I'd lean towards KGB, but his skill set and body type aren't terribly common, and his build is somewhat lean despite a good base for end. I don't know how to explain it exaclty, but I know he can play. He's more upide than production, but we may have the luxury of bringing him around in sub-packages before everything clicks. While were at it, why don't we bring Whitehurst into the fold in later rounds, and draft WR Stuckey next season too, and in two years, when we need a running back, James Davis...

I'm not even a Clemson fan but man I love to watch this team!

squints
12-09-2005, 03:08 AM
I would like to see the Broncos go for M Huff. He is going to be a great S in the NFL. That is a postion that the Broncos are going to be hurting. Lynch is going to retire soon, and S Brandon and Nick Ferguson are not going to be anything like this Big play maker in Huff.

I see a need for a big pass rusher on the line, but there will be good DL left late in the first. If Huff is not left in the draft with our first pick, then I would like a DL.

Tradition of Great Bronco Safeties
Dennis Smith------Steve Atwater-------Michael Huff

BroncoDefense
12-09-2005, 03:08 PM
3rd Quarter Mock

Third Quarter Mock
1. San Francisco 49ers (2-14)
2. NY Jets (2-14)
3. Houston Texans (3-13)
4. New Orleans Saints (4-12)
5. Cleveland Browns (4-12)
6. Green Bay Packers (4-12)
7. Tennessee Titans (4-12)
8. Detroit Lions (4-12)
9. Buffalo Bills (5-11)
10. Arizona Cardinals (5-11)
11. Baltimore Ravens (5-11)
12. Miami Dolphins (6-10)
13. Oakland Raiders (6-10)
14. Philadelphia Eagles (6-10)
15. St. Louis Rams (7-9)
16. Washington Redskins (8-8)
17. Minnesota Vikings (9-7)
18. Atlanta Falcons (9-7)
19. Dallas Cowboys (9-7) NFC Wildcard
20. Pittsburgh Steelers (10-6)
21. Tampa Bay Bucs (10-6) NFC Wildcard
22. New England Patriots (10-6) AFC East Champs
23. NY Giants (10-6) NFC East Champs
24. Kansas City Chiefs (11-5)
25. San Diego Chargers (11-5) AFC Wildcard
26. Chicago Bears (11-5) NFC North Champs
27. Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) AFC Wildcard
28. Carolina Panthers (12-4) NFC South Champs
29. Cincinnati Bengals (12-4) AFC North Champs
30. Denver Broncos (12-4) AFC West Champs
31. Seattle Seahawks (13-3) NFC West Champs, NFC Champs
32. Indianapolis Colts (14-2) AFC South Champs, AFC Champs, Super bowl Champs

1. 49ers – RB Reggie Bush - USC
2. Jets – QB Matt Leinart - USC
3. Texans – OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson – Virginia
4. Saints – DT Haloti Ngata – Oregon
5. Browns – OLB/DE Elvis Dumervil – Louisville
6. Packers – RB LenDale White - USC
7. Titans – DE Mathias Kiwanuka – Boston College
8. Lions – CB/S Jimmy Williams – Virginia Tech
9. Bills – OT Winston Justice - USC
10. Cardinals – QB Vince Young - Texas
11. Ravens – DE Mario Williams – North Carolina State
12. Raiders – LB AJ Hawk – Ohio State
13. Eagles – DE Tamba Hali – Penn State
14. Dolphins – OT Marcus McNeil - Auburn
15. Rams – DT Claude Wroten - LSU
16. Broncos – DE Gaines Adams - Clemson
17. Vikings – RB Laurence Maroney - Minnesota
18. Falcons – CB/S Michael Huff - Texas
19. Cowboys – LB Chad Greenway – Iowa
20. Steelers – RB DeAngelo Williams – Memphis
21. Bucs – DE Quentin Moses - Georgia
22. Patriots – S Darnell Bing - USC
23. Giants – OT Eric Winston - Maimi
24. Chiefs – WR Santonio Holmes – Ohio State
25. Chargers – CB Tye Hill - Clemson
26. Bears – TE Vernon Davis - Virginia
27. Jaguars – OG Max-Jean Gilles – Georgia
28. Panthers – TE Marcedes Lewis - UCLA
29. Bengals – DT Babatunde Oshinowo – Stanford
30. Broncos – DT Brodrick Bunkley - FSU
31. Seahawks – OG Davin Joseph - Oklahoma
32. Colts – LB Demeco Ryans - Alabama


Great Mock, brought out a name I haven't been hearing as much (Oshinowo).

Some questions:

Do the Saints, Browns, and Lions all pass on Vince Young? I'm not a big VY fan, but these teams have to be desperate for a quarterback. I could not see the Lions passing on him at #8, for example.

You have Winston Justice going ahead of Eric Winston and Marcus McNiel. Is this present value as of now, or do you think Justice will earn this. Also, if Lepsis leaves Denver, do you picture them taking one of the preceding 3, perhaps Eric Winston or Winston Justice (since they're smaller) with the first pick?
It seems most of the stuff I've read has Eric Winston ahead of the other two, but I'm not terribly impressed with him. I saw two UM games, and he did not show me anything special. I was looking for him and didn't think he fired off the ball well, and couldn't get downfield to make blocks on linebackers on running plays. I personally hope a team takes Eric Winston, and leaves Winston Justice for us...that is if Lepsis leaves.

If Houston ends up with the first pick, I think they may trade down. Any possible trading partners willing to ante up for Reggie Bush? I don't think SF or NYJ will trade the pick, but Houston, with its needs on the both the OL and DL would.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-09-2005, 04:01 PM
Great Mock, brought out a name I haven't been hearing as much (Oshinowo).

Some questions:

Do the Saints, Browns, and Lions all pass on Vince Young? I'm not a big VY fan, but these teams have to be desperate for a quarterback. I could not see the Lions passing on him at #8, for example.

You have Winston Justice going ahead of Eric Winston and Marcus McNiel. Is this present value as of now, or do you think Justice will earn this. Also, if Lepsis leaves Denver, do you picture them taking one of the preceding 3, perhaps Eric Winston or Winston Justice (since they're smaller) with the first pick?
It seems most of the stuff I've read has Eric Winston ahead of the other two, but I'm not terribly impressed with him. I saw two UM games, and he did not show me anything special. I was looking for him and didn't think he fired off the ball well, and couldn't get downfield to make blocks on linebackers on running plays. I personally hope a team takes Eric Winston, and leaves Winston Justice for us...that is if Lepsis leaves.

If Houston ends up with the first pick, I think they may trade down. Any possible trading partners willing to ante up for Reggie Bush? I don't think SF or NYJ will trade the pick, but Houston, with its needs on the both the OL and DL would.


1) I don't think the Saints would be willing to take a chance on Young in the top 5 of the draft, especially since he is vastly similar to Aaron Brooks. Charlie Frye looks like the answer in Cleveland. As for the Lions, if they don't pull a trade for Leinart, I think they'll trade for Phillip Rivers or Patrick Ramsey or just sign Kerry Collins. Lions need a QB, just not sure after the Harrington debaucle that they will want to go with a rookie that has some passing questions still. Now, Jay Cutler in the 2nd round? yes.

2) Winston Justice is the 2nd best OT in this draft already. He's probably a RT at least at first, but he's a plug-in starter. That's his present value as the 2nd best OT. Behind he and Ferguson, it gets fuzzy. McNeil is 3rd in my mind, though some folks are down on him for God knows why. He had a good year. Winston played ok, alot depends on how he tests and how his knee looks at the combine. As of now, he's a late first rounder.

As for Denver, Jonathon Scott or Eric Winston would be the guys I'd think they would go after if it was going to happen. Scott's value is all over the place, from a top 15 pick to a 2nd rounder, so until the allstar games, it's tough to project him. Another guy Denver may look at is Davin Joseph. He could play OT or OG in our scheme. Justice won't be available when we pick.

3) Houston. They won't trade down. D'brickashaw Ferguson is being underplayed right now due to the Reggie Bush hoopla. He's the best LT to come out of college since Orlando Pace. If they pick first, they draft him, unless they trade down to #2 or #3 (if they are feeling really ballsy). I dont think there is a team that needs a guy more. No FA OTs are remotely close to Ferguson's ability.
I would not blink if SF took Ferguson 1st overall either if they get the pick. Barlow was good when he had a good line to run behind and Frank Gore has been impressive. If I'm Houston, and I pick 1 slot before SF, I dont trade the pick. Too risky.

Perry1977
12-10-2005, 09:25 AM
Yikes, don't you think these new picks by Denver are both pretty nasty reaches? Maybe not, but sounds like a couple "who dey"s. I also don't want anyone from Clemson. Pryce is good, but another Clemson DE? Hmmm.

Also, why don't you think Denver will target Daryn Colledge? He seems like the perfect fit for Denver. I have a feeling his stock will rise after the combine too. He and DonTrell Moore are the two players I want the most out of this draft. (Not in the first round, mind you, except maybe Colledge with pick 1b) :D

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-10-2005, 11:22 AM
Yikes, don't you think these new picks by Denver are both pretty nasty reaches? Maybe not, but sounds like a couple "who dey"s. I also don't want anyone from Clemson. Pryce is good, but another Clemson DE? Hmmm.

Also, why don't you think Denver will target Daryn Colledge? He seems like the perfect fit for Denver. I have a feeling his stock will rise after the combine too. He and DonTrell Moore are the two players I want the most out of this draft. (Not in the first round, mind you, except maybe Colledge with pick 1b) :D


Adams nor Bunkley are "nasty reaches", though I understand your sentiment.

I don't trust FSU D-linemen in general, but Bunkley seems to be a pretty safe bet. He's very similar to Claude Wroten. The names aren't exactly sexy in terms of fanfaire, but they are solid, dependable players. Plus, while Wroten is going to go in the top 15 or so, Bunkley at the end of the first round is solid value. I wouldn't term him even a reach at that point.

Adams is pretty impressive. I may or may not have overshot him, but he'll be a first round pick. He's similar in size to Kiwanuka (6'5, 260ish) and should be almost as quick. It is still speculation if he'll come out or not at this time though. If he stays in school another year, he'll be a top 10 pick barring injury. In my mind, he'll be drafted in the top 25 this year if he comes out.

One guy not on my draft, that I think should be is Rodrique Wright. I really like him and think he's an outstanding player. And he's had a good senior year, when as a junior, he was supposed to be a top 20 pick if he came out. This mock is weighted extremely heavily by what the draft experts are reporting and Kiper, McShay, Scout.com, and Boylhart are all panning Wright for some reason. I think that will change come combine time.



As for OTs, Colledge would be a great fit. I would rank him behind Jonathon Scott though, and possibly behind Eric Winston as well. One thing is for sure, if Denver wants or needs an OT in this draft, they'll easily be able to get one with either first round pick.

jletourneau
12-10-2005, 03:28 PM
I agree with you on Bunkley.

He's pretty under the radar right now, but starting to emerge because of his VA Tech game.

I'd have no problem with us taking him late 1st, would be a solid addition that only has room to go up IMO. I'm so, so, on Gaines Adams that early. I wouldn't be disappointed, but I'm not sold quite yet, lot of time left though for opinions to change.

Despite his propensity to do so, I'm really hoping that Shanny avoids a WR in the 1st, the value just isn't there. I'd take one by round 3, but not first round. You've mentioned Stovall before, that could be interesting depending on where he falls. I still really like Baskett for the Broncos, but I think we should only take him if he slips to late round 2. Another guy not brought up yet that I want to look at further is Demetrius Williams. Decent size, good production, really has a nose to make the necessary plays and Oregon has REALLY flown under the radar this year. Can really help himself in the all-star games, though I'd love it if we could grab him say 3rd round.

Rockwilder24
12-10-2005, 06:57 PM
I bet you could get Bunkley in the 3d round, and there will bet better DE availible instead of dude from Clemson.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-10-2005, 08:12 PM
I bet you could get Bunkley in the 3d round, and there will bet better DE availible instead of dude from Clemson.


You would lose.

OhNoKoolAid
12-11-2005, 12:05 PM
I bet you could get Bunkley in the 3d round, and there will bet better DE availible instead of dude from Clemson.

Bagging players because of their school is highly overrated, especially a non-skill player. I've never seen a "system" defensive end, where an average player is made good by a particular coaches philosophy. Sure there are one gap and two gap players, but the league uses both schemes. As long as a player's competition is high, downgrading a non-skill player for his school shows a lack of insight. Besides, if Clemson is so bad, Trevor Pryce must suck too...

Bunkley is a second round tackle that will fit in the bottom part of the first based on team needs. He won't fall to the third after the year he's having. Another player you should include when talking about up-and-coming DTs is Jolly from A&M, whose had a monster year in TFLs and has been A&M's best overall player. He's a second round lck at this point. (This is to MUG or other draft gurus)

As for those bagging Adams, how many have actually seen him play. I'd put the over/under at two, and I'm one of them.

Rockwilder24
12-11-2005, 11:06 PM
I wasnt saying people from Clemson are bad I fergot his name and remembered he went to Clemson so I said dude from Clemson calm down.

ttejuco
12-12-2005, 04:46 PM
Thorpe Award Winner, Michael Huff for the Broncos' first round pick.

PsychoChicken
12-12-2005, 04:50 PM
I wasnt saying people from Clemson are bad I fergot his name and remembered he went to Clemson so I said dude from Clemson calm down.
If you don't even know that his name is Gaines Adams, your opinion of him really means nothing.

Rockwilder24
12-12-2005, 05:59 PM
He hasnt done anything to make his name recognised and I said there will be better DE availible while he is still on the board. Just cuz I didnt remember the guys name while making the post my opinions mean nothing? I doubt you know every frickin prospect.

ttejuco
12-13-2005, 02:53 PM
You would lose.

MUG whats your opinion on the Broncos' needs in the draft. The obvious ones are DL and WR, but i think the secondary still needs help, at safety especially. John Lynch and Nick Ferguson are getting up there in age. Chris Young and Brandon Browner havent developed into starters yet. Sam Brandon is the only former starter there however he dosent look like a stud either.

Jimmy Williams and Michael Huff could possibly fall into our hands if the Redskins falter during the next few weeks.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-13-2005, 08:20 PM
MUG whats your opinion on the Broncos' needs in the draft. The obvious ones are DL and WR, but i think the secondary still needs help, at safety especially. John Lynch and Nick Ferguson are getting up there in age. Chris Young and Brandon Browner havent developed into starters yet. Sam Brandon is the only former starter there however he dosent look like a stud either.

Jimmy Williams and Michael Huff could possibly fall into our hands if the Redskins falter during the next few weeks.


1) Well, I'm not convinced WR is a need. IMO, Lelie is a prototype #2, Jake has just missed him this year on alot of passes, and we aren't throwing as often as last season. Rod Smith is not slowing down and is under contract for 3 more years. We have David Terrell and Darius Watts developing still. Terrell has already proven he's a decent WR, he's just dumb as a rock and can't grasp our playbook yet. Watts has loads of skill, just needs to find confidence. Then we have Devoe and Adams who are very good special teams players which makes them good 4 and 5 WRs. We just need Watts or Terrell to get the #3 job next season and we are set. So I dont believe WR is a need unless we give up on those guys.

2) I think the biggest need is going to be at RDE, followed by DT (especially if Warren leaves), and then likely at LDE. I really like our team. We could use a first rounder on a RB (Williams, Maroney) or on a TE (Davis, Lewis) as well. This is a hard draft to predict because the late first round pick will be prime real estate to pick up a WR or OT.

3) As for safety, the team is high on Young and Ferguson/Lynch aren't going anywhere quite yet. I dont think its a glaring need, especially if the young guys can improve.

Jimmy Williams and Mike Huff are likely going to both be top 15 picks, possibly both going in the top 10 with all the hoopla Huff is getting lately, Williams is a lock as a top 10 pick. The Redskins won't falter that bad.


My opinion remains that we will need D-line starters immediately and that the 1st round is the only place to get them. I expect the 1st pick to be a DE, and the 2nd pick to be a DT, WR, or OT.

Its all conjecture though, the offseason will determine what we do. One thing is for sure, this is an incredibly well rounded draft at almost every position.

BroncoFanCam
12-14-2005, 04:42 AM
Thorpe Award Winner, Michael Huff for the Broncos' first round pick.
It will come to pass... and Rod Wright with Round 1 pick 2, a Texas twosome.

Michael Huff:
- Huff is a tremendous athlete. Has great instincts. Makes a lot of interceptions and might have the best play making ability of any safety in the Nation. Is dangerous anytime he has the ball in his hands. Has good size and has added muscle without losing his speed. Is speedy and quick. Reads well and reacts well. Great in coverage and an all around talented safety. Also a good special teams player, good at blocking both kicks and punts. Has been a starter since his Freshman season. Is a hard worker who continues to improve. Doesn't get beat very often. Solid tackler. Always around the ball. Plays the ball well. Has the ability to jump a route. Has good closing and recovery speed. Runs all over the field. Gets from point A to point B in a hurry. Smart player who plays with a passion and understands his assignments. Does not make many mistakes. Competed with the track team at Texas. Has played cornerback and safety and did a nice job at both.

Rodrique Wright:
- Wright might be one of the most athletic big men in all of college football. He moves very well on his feet for a man of his size. Rod has been a starter and an anchor for the Longhorn defense since his freshman season. He has the rare combination of speed and strength that make him equally effective against both the pass and the run. Wright is willing and able to take on double teams to allow his teammates to make plays. He has good recognition instincts and is a very able wrap up tackler. Durability may be a slight question with him, but he has shown a willingness to play through pain. Wright has also developed into a team leader during his time in Texas.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-14-2005, 06:10 AM
It will come to pass... and Rod Wright with Round 1 pick 2, a Texas twosome.

Michael Huff:
- Huff is a tremendous athlete. Has great instincts. Makes a lot of interceptions and might have the best play making ability of any safety in the Nation. Is dangerous anytime he has the ball in his hands. Has good size and has added muscle without losing his speed. Is speedy and quick. Reads well and reacts well. Great in coverage and an all around talented safety. Also a good special teams player, good at blocking both kicks and punts. Has been a starter since his Freshman season. Is a hard worker who continues to improve. Doesn't get beat very often. Solid tackler. Always around the ball. Plays the ball well. Has the ability to jump a route. Has good closing and recovery speed. Runs all over the field. Gets from point A to point B in a hurry. Smart player who plays with a passion and understands his assignments. Does not make many mistakes. Competed with the track team at Texas. Has played cornerback and safety and did a nice job at both.

Rodrique Wright:
- Wright might be one of the most athletic big men in all of college football. He moves very well on his feet for a man of his size. Rod has been a starter and an anchor for the Longhorn defense since his freshman season. He has the rare combination of speed and strength that make him equally effective against both the pass and the run. Wright is willing and able to take on double teams to allow his teammates to make plays. He has good recognition instincts and is a very able wrap up tackler. Durability may be a slight question with him, but he has shown a willingness to play through pain. Wright has also developed into a team leader during his time in Texas.


Mike Huff is not going to last until the 15th pick. That's a guarantee.

However, Rod Wright probably will, but I don't think he'll last past 25ish. He was a top 15 pick last season, he's had a good year, and the experts are strangely predicting him to be a late first, early second. That will change in a hurry come draft time.

If we took Rod Wright with the 1st pick, that would please me.

ttejuco
12-14-2005, 07:34 PM
Mike Huff is not going to last until the 15th pick. That's a guarantee.

However, Rod Wright probably will, but I don't think he'll last past 25ish. He was a top 15 pick last season, he's had a good year, and the experts are strangely predicting him to be a late first, early second. That will change in a hurry come draft time.

If we took Rod Wright with the 1st pick, that would please me.

Rod Wright would be great. I hope all that injury hoopla is in the past. What about Claude Wroten? What's your opinion of him?

Also if the Redskins lose the rest of their games (god willing), and if the pick fell in the top 10, and some how, just some how, we picked up Mario Williams, how happy would we all be??? Even Kiwi would be a great pickup.

If we lose Nalen or even Lepsis, do we draft another linemen? Or do we rely on the ones we have developed on the practice squad and backups?

Your thoughts MUG?


It will come to pass... and Rod Wright with Round 1 pick 2, a Texas twosome.

If we picked up Michael Huff AND Rod Wright, that would be one of the Broncos' best draft picks in recent history. Texas has a history of developing good defenders.

BroncoFanCam
12-14-2005, 08:01 PM
If we picked up Michael Huff AND Rod Wright, that would be one of the Broncos' best draft picks in recent history. Texas has a history of developing good defenders.

Keep your fingers (and toes for that matter) crossed my friend (although it kinda makes walking a bit awkward) :D

It would/will be glorious!

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-14-2005, 09:33 PM
Rod Wright would be great. I hope all that injury hoopla is in the past. What about Claude Wroten? What's your opinion of him?

Also if the Redskins lose the rest of their games (god willing), and if the pick fell in the top 10, and some how, just some how, we picked up Mario Williams, how happy would we all be??? Even Kiwi would be a great pickup.

If we lose Nalen or even Lepsis, do we draft another linemen? Or do we rely on the ones we have developed on the practice squad and backups?

Your thoughts MUG?



If we picked up Michael Huff AND Rod Wright, that would be one of the Broncos' best draft picks in recent history. Texas has a history of developing good defenders.


I really need to see more of Claude Wroten. From the highlights I've caught of him, he looks pretty good. He's one of the main guys I'll be watching in the bowl/all-star games and his combine stats will be very interesting to track. As of now, he's a 15ish-35ish pick. That will be narrowed in the next few months. From what I can tell, he's vastly similar to Wright, in play style and size. Meaning, 75% 3-technique, 25% nose.

If Mario Williams, Mathias Kiwanuka, or Haloti Ngata slip to us, we would be fools not to take that person immediately. However, on draft day, it seems we are fools more often then not. I think the most realistic, best case scenario for us might be if Tamba Hali slips to our first pick, he'd be great value. I'd be very happy with him.

As far as O-linemen. We are set at OG with Alexander returning, Carlisle playing well, and Myers developing. Hamilton at OC with Myers backing up gives us depth there. So, OT is the question. Historically, we don't take OTs in the 1st round outside of Foster, who *Shanahan* felt was a top 10 pick who slipped due to injury. So, that probably means we have a good shot at drafting Eric Winston in the first, if anyone. The problem is that in our scheme, we don't plug and play people. Thus, if we lose Lepsis, the only option we have is to move Foster over and start Green at RT. Which would probably work ok.

I think OT depth will be addressed if Lepsis leaves, but not until Day 2.

WABronco
12-14-2005, 10:13 PM
I think the most realistic, best case scenario for us might be if Tamba Hali slips to our first pick, he'd be great value. I'd be very happy with him.

Slips to our first pick? Really?

I haven't seen Hali once this year. Is he a good enough pass rusher (along the lines of Mario and Kiwi, if we traded up) to justify taking him with our first pick?

Anyways, from what I've read, he's an "intangibles" type of player. I would love to add a player who's got top-intangibles. Just look at Lofa Tatupu or Leroy Hill (both are going to be studs for the Hawks) this year...

Actually, now that I read up some more, Scott Wright calls him one of the nation's premier sack artists. Sweet...

Mat'hir Uth Gan
12-15-2005, 01:19 AM
Slips to our first pick? Really?

I haven't seen Hali once this year. Is he a good enough pass rusher (along the lines of Mario and Kiwi, if we traded up) to justify taking him with our first pick?

Anyways, from what I've read, he's an "intangibles" type of player. I would love to add a player who's got top-intangibles. Just look at Lofa Tatupu or Leroy Hill (both are going to be studs for the Hawks) this year...

Actually, now that I read up some more, Scott Wright calls him one of the nation's premier sack artists. Sweet...


I'm not a fan of Scott Wright so much, mainly because he doesn't study NFL teams at all. He has pretty good knowledge concerning prospects and where they should rank. Which is the reason people follow his site, but he's a complete idiot matching up players with team needs because he doesn't follow every team's roster.


Anyway, back to the question, my opinion is that if we realistically believe we have a shot at Hali (and possibly Dumervil as well), then I would rather not trade up and just keep the 2nd first round pick which looks to be prime territory for a WR, OT, TE, or DT.

This looks to be one of the better drafts in awhile. I think the more picks, the better.

MindField
12-15-2005, 09:59 AM
Slips to our first pick? Really?

I haven't seen Hali once this year. Is he a good enough pass rusher (along the lines of Mario and Kiwi, if we traded up) to justify taking him with our first pick?

Anyways, from what I've read, he's an "intangibles" type of player. I would love to add a player who's got top-intangibles. Just look at Lofa Tatupu or Leroy Hill (both are going to be studs for the Hawks) this year...

Actually, now that I read up some more, Scott Wright calls him one of the nation's premier sack artists. Sweet...


If you crave a DE as a first round pick for the Broncos, keep an eye on Georgia DE Quinton Moses.....to me, he is easily a better player than Tamba Hali or Clemson's Gaines, and only BC's Kiwanuka and Mario Williams are better DE prospects in this Draft.....the problem is, like DeMarcus Ware from a year ago, if he comes out, he is likely to move up higher than our first First-round pick....and he is a Jr., so he would have to come out, but I think he will due to the season he had.

WABronco
12-15-2005, 10:05 AM
I'm not a fan of Scott Wright so much, mainly because he doesn't study NFL teams at all. He has pretty good knowledge concerning prospects and where they should rank. Which is the reason people follow his site, but he's a complete idiot matching up players with team needs because he doesn't follow every team's roster.


Anyway, back to the question, my opinion is that if we realistically believe we have a shot at Hali (and possibly Dumervil as well), then I would rather not trade up and just keep the 2nd first round pick which looks to be prime territory for a WR, OT, TE, or DT.

This looks to be one of the better drafts in awhile. I think the more picks, the better.

Agreed...

Wright does have some weird picks in his mocks...

And I like the idea of keeping our two firsts as well. Hopefully we'll get two impact players for next year, in the first alone.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
02-23-2006, 12:07 PM
New mock is up. First and second round.

WABronco
02-23-2006, 12:47 PM
Very good, very good...

RunYouOver
02-23-2006, 02:00 PM
Very good job MUG :beer:

Perry1977
02-23-2006, 03:26 PM
Great mock, doing 2 rounds is not easy.

I do cringe at that 2nd round pick with Colledge still on the board though! ;)

Dean
02-23-2006, 07:55 PM
I surely hope that Mike Shanahan doesn't go for a receiver with our I-b pick. I am hoping for a D-tackle or an O-lineman. However, a receiver it might well be.

topscribe
02-23-2006, 09:35 PM
You're really in your element here . . . :cheers:

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WABronco
02-23-2006, 11:18 PM
I surely hope that Mike Shanahan doesn't go for a receiver with our I-b pick. I am hoping for a D-tackle or an O-lineman. However, a receiver it might well be.

Lol, if you can get Chad Jackson at 29, you pull the trigger.

Momentum
02-24-2006, 12:23 AM
Lol, if you can get Chad Jackson at 29, you pull the trigger.

Travis Taylor V.2.............

HORSEPOWER 56
02-24-2006, 08:39 AM
Nice mock MUG. Now, if only we could sell it to the FO. I've really got a bad feeling (worse than last year) that Shanny will neglect the D-line again believing that the Browncos did a "good job". Maybe I'm being a pessimist, but I think Shanny will go WR, OL, TE, RB, DT, S, QB - probably in close to that order. I don't think we have a defensive minded guy in our FO (that includes Coyer) and we'll pay for it again this season. :ugh:

Broncosfreak_56
02-24-2006, 08:56 AM
all we need is a dominant pass rusher and our d will be awsome. It was our offence that couldnt move the ball in the playoff games...so we need to get more offensive weapons and we will be good.

underrated29
02-24-2006, 11:41 AM
Even though i have not been on the boards long i have been watching your mock drafts, and i gotta hand it to ya mug, i think you hit the nail right on the head. I might have read it wrong but i do believe i saw d'brick listed as a QB in rd 1. No biggie to me but thought id point it out :beer:

Bigal5651
02-28-2006, 03:28 AM
wow, mug, when are you going to stop sweating nagta's nutts. top 5, your insane. The rest of the first round is also a disaster, cutler will make big noise on draft day.