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Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-20-2005, 02:45 PM
NFL Draft '06: Scouting the Quarterbacks

By TFY Draft Preview

Date: Oct 18, 2005

With the majority of draft-eligible signal callers meeting or exceeding the expectations of NFL scouts, next April's crop of passers could be a good one. Should the top underclassmen opt for April's event, the position will be top heavy with juniors. Still, the senior class offers plenty of talent. Here are scouting reports on the top 11 quarterback prospects.


Full Name: Matt Leinart School: USC

Ht: 6-4 Wt 224 40: 4.91 Yr: 4Sr

Pos: Productive left handed passer with outstanding field awareness. Patient in the pocket, buys time for receivers and quickly finds the open wide out. Does a terrific job selling ball fakes, looks off opposing safeties and consistently goes to secondary targets. Throws with an over-the-top delivery and displays an adequate deep arm as well as accuracy down the field. Moves behind the line of scrimmage trying to find open pass catchers and always working to make something positive happen. Quick setting up and releasing the ball off a three-step drop.

Neg: Immobile and cannot escape the rush. Does not drive the ball downfield.

Analysis: After winning the Heisman Trophy last December, Leinart passed up the opportunity to be a top five pick in the NFL draft for anther season in college. Mentally understanding the game, Leinart does a terrific job commanding the offense and possesses great intangibles. May not be productive in a system which wants a consistent vertical offense yet a quarterback who can start in the NFL.


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Full Name: Omar Jacobs School: Bowling Green

Ht: 6-4 Wt 225 40: 4.71 Yr: 4Jr

Pos : Big-armed, accurate passer who does an outstanding job commanding the offense. Natural looking off the safety, sits in the pocket buying time for receivers and drives the ball downfield with a flick of his wrist. Loses nothing throwing on the run and accurate passing on the move. Leads targets with throws, letting receivers go up and get the ball. Fires the ball between defenders and consistently shows outstanding pass placement. Effectively reads the defense and finds the open wide outs.

Neg: Takes most of his snaps out of the shotgun. Gathers and readies himself before releasing the ball. Has a three quarters delivery and releases the ball through his ear, at times throwing with almost a side arm motion. Under throws deep targets on occasion. Could be criticized for holding the ball too long.

Analysis: A physically talented football player and gifted signal caller, Jacobs has outstanding potential for the next level. Benefits from a quarterback friendly system at BGSU and must learn to play a pro-style offense but a quarterback prospect NFL-franchises can build around.

The Mid-American Conference is becoming well-known for the talented quarterbacks placed into the NFL for a half-decade now. Several passers made their way into the draft's top-twenty selections and are still blossoming into terrific NFL signal callers. Tonight we profile the next great one to come from this conference.


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Full Name: Vince Young School Texas

Ht: 6-4 Wt 230 40: 4.45 Yr: 4Jr

Pos : Athletic quarterback with immense physical ability. Possesses a live arm, zips the ball into targets or easily gets passes downfield. Quick release and immediately gets the ball out of his hand. Goes to the safe underneath route if nothings available down field. Devastating ball carrier who displays outstanding vision and the ability to create.

Neg: Does not correctly read the defense. Must improve his overall accuracy and pass placement. Needs to learn touch.

Analysis: An amazing athlete with the ability to improvise when plays break down based on sheer innate skill, Young must learn to become a complete passer rather then just a thrower. Has been making consistent strides and offers an incredible amount of upside potential. Would benefit from two more years in college to hone his skills.


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Full Name: Brady Quinn School Notre Dame

Ht: 6-3 Wt 220 40: 4.81 Yr: 4Jr

Pos : Nice sized pocket passer with an NFL arm. Sets up with good footwork, scans the field and has a live arm. Drives the ball pass, zips the outs or powers the throw between defenders. Relatively accurate in all areas. Some ability to make the throw on the move.

Neg: Lacks pure pass placement. Not a mobile quarterback who eludes the rush. Has been more potential than production prior to this season.

Analysis: Seemingly taking like a duck to water in the new offensive system installed at Notre Dame by Charlie Weiss, the outlook for Brady Quinn is bright. Has a large amount of upside potential for the NFL and can be a very high draft pick if he stays in school the next two seasons and learns from a top NFL offensive mind.


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Full Name: Reggie McNeal School Texas A&M

Ht: 6-2 Wt 202 40: 4.40 Yr: 4Sr

Pos : Athletic quarterback who flashes ability. Possesses a live arm, easily gets the ball downfield or drives passes between defenders. Gets outside the pocket and fires the ball on the move. Tough ball carrier when he takes-off up the field. Possesses a sense of timing and hits receivers at they leave breaks. Patient, stays in the pocket as long as possible or scrambles behind the line of scrimmage buying time for wide outs.

Neg: Stares down primary targets, misses open receivers down the field and makes questionable tosses when pressured. Not a decisive signal caller. Has a lot of passes batted away at the line of scrimmage.

Analysis: Tough to stop when he's on his game, McNeal makes a lot of plays thanks to a strong arm. Possesses the physical skills to play in the NFL and a solid long term, developmental passer who must iron out the rough edges.


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Full Name: Chris Leak School Florida

Ht: 5-11 Wt 200 40: 4.63 Yr: 3Jr

Pos: Tremendous athlete slowly turning from a thrower into a passer and complete quarterback. Patient in the pocket, buys time for receivers and finds the open wide out. Leads pass catchers over the middle, puts deep throws in front of receivers and lets targets run to the ball. Stands in the pocket taking a hit to get the throw off. Eludes the rush then easily make the throw on the move. Picks up a lot yardage with his legs.

Neg: Stares down the primary target. Adversely reacts to pressure and at times panics if he does not immediately find the open wide out. Late looking to secondary targets and does not possess sense of timing. Tends to fall out of throws, which hurts his accuracy. Spirals are not tight. Lacks proto-typical size.

Analysis: Benefiting from the coaching of Urban Meyer, junior quarterback Chris leak has shown major improvement this year. Possesses a great deal upside potential for the next level yet far from the complete product and should remain in college as long as a possible, which would improve his draft grade.


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Full Name: Jay Cutler School Vanderbilt

Ht: 6-3 Wt 219 40: 4.81 Yr: 5Sr

Pos : Athletic passer with a command of the offense. Patient in the pocket, buys time for receivers and waits until last-second before delivering the ball. Gets outside the pocket and makes the pass on the move. Leads receivers over the middle and displays a sense of timing. Powers the ball between defenders and throws tight spirals. Decisive in the pocket. Shifty carrying the ball and picks up yardage with his legs.

Neg: Rarely takes his eyes off the primary target. Has trouble withstanding the rush.

Analysis: A productive collegiate quarterback that's done a good job leading a very average program, Cutler has definite potential for the NFL. May never develop into a consistent starter at the next level yet his approach to the game and leadership abilities make him worth keeping on a roster.


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Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-20-2005, 02:45 PM
Full Name: Charlie Whitehurst School Clemson

Ht: 6-5 Wt 224 40: 4.85 Yr: 5Sr

Pos : Physically gifted signal caller who flashes ability. Sells the ball fakes, quick releasing the pass and has a live arm. Tough, stands in the pocket and gets the throw off even if it means taking a big hit. Moves around the line of scrimmage to get a better view of the field. Accurate between the numbers, puts touch on throws and shows pass placement in the short field. Puts deep passes in front of receivers letting them run to the ball. Natural looking off the safety.

Neg: Must improve timing as he's late delivering the ball. Usually high of the mark or has receivers extending backwards to make the reception out to the flanks. Not decisive when pressured and makes questionable decisions. Tends to gather and ready himself before releasing the ball.

Analysis: An athletic pocket passer with good size, Whitehurst’s decision making has come under scrutiny. An efficient quarterback rather than one that carries a team on his back, he may just need proper coaching and one-on-one handholding to get the most of him.


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Full Name: Darrell Hackney School UAB

Ht: 6-0 Wt 245 40: 4.91 Yr: 4Sr

Pos : Strong armed, athletic passer who loses nothing making the throw on the move. Challenges the vertical game and powers the ball between defenders. Patient in the pocket, buying time for receivers and allows them to come free. Puts touch on throws when necessary and gets the ball into tight spots. Hits receivers in stride or leads them over the middle. Good job commanding the offense.

Neg: Does not consistently remain poised under pressure. Stares down primary targets and makes questionable passes. Falls out of throws which adversely affects his accuracy. Drops into the pocket as though he were a left-handed quarterback.

Analysis: A physically talented passer with the arm strength to play in the NFL, Hackney has shown improvement and as a result will jump up draft boards. Needs to continue on his present pace then have a solid showing in the post season. Potential middle round pick who can play in the NFL.


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Full Name: Bruce Gradkowski School Toledo

Ht: 6-1 Wt 220 40: 4.65 Yr: 5Sr

Pos : Accurate and productive college quarterback with upside for the next level. Patient in the pocket, senses the rush and waits for receivers to come free, not releasing the ball until the very last second. Possesses a sense of timing and has a great feel for where receivers are on the field. Natural looking off the safety and puts touch on throws when required. Goes to the safe outlet if nothings available downfield.

Neg: Slow getting the ball out of his hands on three-step drops or the immediate release. Loses accuracy throwing on the run. Lacks pocket stature and cannot drive the ball downfield.

Analysis: Gradkowsi has been a solid and productive player on the college level. Adequate athlete and solid developmental prospect.


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Full Name: Brodie Croyle School Alabama

Ht: 6-2 Wt 205 40: 4.91 Yr: 4Sr

Pos : Accurate and athletic passer with a solid arm. Quickly sets in the pocket, sells ball fakes and throws a catchable pass. Patient and waits until last second before releasing the pass. Puts touch on throws when necessary. Displays improved accuracy.

Neg: Has a long injury history and durability concerns. Not a quarterback who picks up much yardage with his legs. Lacks pocket size and stature.

Analysis: Hard working and smart, Coyle is productive when healthy and tough to stop when on his game. That said he receives in incomplete grade because of the injury history, a situation which will drop this draft grade.

Momentum
10-20-2005, 04:10 PM
My humble opinion on these QBs

Leinart- I agree with everything they said except that Leinart CAN move. He isnt as statuesque as he gets credit for.

Jacobs- The biggest gamble in this draft and highly overrated IMO. Has a horrid throwing motion and doesnt take that many snaps under center. Also racks up numbers against nobodies (shut up).

Vince Young- could be the best weapon at the QB position in this draft. If he can get under the right system though. He has shown an inabililty to learn complex offense/defensive schemes but has raw ability. Raw ability that should be put to work at WR, IMO.

Quinn- will be a very productive Pro Qb IMO. His recievers have been hurt lately, we havent seen the best from him yet.

Leak- Is short but is a very nice passer. His mobility is overrated.

Cutler- is a system QB IMO, but strides better than Whitehurst.

Hackney- is considered by some as the best QB in this draft. I will have a chance to see him play in person, so after that Ill rate him.

OhNoKoolAid
10-20-2005, 07:17 PM
Cutler- is a system QB IMO, but strides better than Whitehurst.

Hackney- is considered by some as the best QB in this draft. I will have a chance to see him play in person, so after that Ill rate him.

Yes, yes, that quarterback school of Vandy that seems to produce good college passers but below average NFL prospects...right...

Honestly I don't believe you've watched Cutler play at all this year, let alone Vanderbilt before Cutler's time there. The team is up because of his improved play, not the system. Take note of this next time you watch him play, or should I say first time?

As for the "some" under your Hackney opinion, I'm sure you mean UAB fans. No one in their right mind, or at least watch other programs would make this claim. David Gerrard, Rohan Davey, Michael Bishop, the league has seen tons of guys like this. He's no Leftwich...


And as for Scouts Inc., I don't think they've watched many Florida games this year, because I have yet to see Leak's "progress" in Urban Meyer's system. All he has shown is that he's an erratic passer that sails the ball over the middle and cannot move like experts led everyone to believe. For a guy who's being rumored close to losing his job to the youngn' Portis, I wouldn't say Leak has improved by any stretch of the imagination.

PsychoChicken
10-20-2005, 07:42 PM
Yes, yes, that quarterback school of Vandy that seems to produce good college passers but below average NFL prospects...right...

Honestly I don't believe you've watched Cutler play at all this year, let alone Vanderbilt before Cutler's time there. The team is up because of his improved play, not the system. Take note of this next time you watch him play, or should I say first time?
Ahh, you beat me to it, OhNo. Nothing I've seen this year has thrown me off Cutler's bandwagon. Momentum, who was the last great college QB to come out of the Commodores' prolific passing scheme? Yeah, I thought so.

Jay Cutler has been Vanderbilt's offense since he's started. He is carrying the offense on his shoulders, and he was definitely the main reason to Vanderbilt's surprising start this season. Watch Cutler play, then watch his supporting cast play. You'll be just as impressed as I have been.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-20-2005, 09:33 PM
Yes, yes, that quarterback school of Vandy that seems to produce good college passers but below average NFL prospects...right...

Honestly I don't believe you've watched Cutler play at all this year, let alone Vanderbilt before Cutler's time there. The team is up because of his improved play, not the system. Take note of this next time you watch him play, or should I say first time?

As for the "some" under your Hackney opinion, I'm sure you mean UAB fans. No one in their right mind, or at least watch other programs would make this claim. David Gerrard, Rohan Davey, Michael Bishop, the league has seen tons of guys like this. He's no Leftwich...


And as for Scouts Inc., I don't think they've watched many Florida games this year, because I have yet to see Leak's "progress" in Urban Meyer's system. All he has shown is that he's an erratic passer that sails the ball over the middle and cannot move like experts led everyone to believe. For a guy who's being rumored close to losing his job to the youngn' Portis, I wouldn't say Leak has improved by any stretch of the imagination.


This is NOT Scouts, Inc.

This is Scout.com. Which is the absolute best scouting team consisting of over 200 NFL scouts (as well as MLB, NBA, etc... but who cares about those sports). Huge difference, these guys are generally always right. Scouts, Inc, while interesting to read, are usually wrong.

Momentum
10-20-2005, 09:55 PM
I meant it as Cutler will be a system QB in the pro's I.E. not good enough to carry a pro team.

PsychoChicken
10-21-2005, 03:04 PM
I meant it as Cutler will be a system QB in the pro's I.E. not good enough to carry a pro team.
Well he sure as hell is carrying his team in the SEC (the closest thing to the NFL in all of college football). I think that's a hell of a head start compared to the MAC, Pac-10, or Big 12.

Again, watch Cutler play. Watch Cutler carry Vandy. Watch Cutler as he does it in the pros. I will go so far as to guarantee that he will become a starting quarterback in the league, and quite possibly for the Denver Broncos.

Momentum
10-21-2005, 11:10 PM
Well he sure as hell is carrying his team in the SEC (the closest thing to the NFL in all of college football). I think that's a hell of a head start compared to the MAC, Pac-10, or Big 12.

Again, watch Cutler play. Watch Cutler carry Vandy. Watch Cutler as he does it in the pros. I will go so far as to guarantee that he will become a starting quarterback in the league, and quite possibly for the Denver Broncos.

I'm so sure he wont amoutn to much, Im willing to bet anything.

Pandapeep
10-22-2005, 12:10 AM
Well he sure as hell is carrying his team in the SEC (the closest thing to the NFL in all of college football). I think that's a hell of a head start compared to the MAC, Pac-10, or Big 12.

Last year the four QB's starting in the AFC and NFC championship game where: Tom Brady(Michigan, Big Ten), Ben Rothlesburger (Miami(OH), Mid American), Donovan McNabb(Sycuse, Big East) and Micheal Vick(Virgina Tech, ACC). No SEC to be found.

2004: McNabb covered, Brady covered, Jake Delhomme(La.-Lafayette, Sunbelt), and finaly Payton Manning(Tennesse, SEC) Ok, you're one for eight.


2003: Mcnabb, Brad Johnson(Florida State, ACC), Rich Gannon(Delaware, Alantic Ten), Steve McNair(Alcorn State, Southwestern Athletic). Hmm, no SEC again.

2002: Mcnabb good, Kurt Warner(Northern Iowa, Gateway), Brady covered, Kordell Stewart(Colorado, Big 12). Again, none

2001: Kerry Collins(Penn State, Big Ten), Daunte Culpepper(Central Florida, Atlantic Sun), Trent Dilfer(Fresno State, Western Athletic), Steve McNair(Alcorn State, Southwestern Athletic) No SEC again.

2000: Warner, Jeff George(Illinois, Big Ten), Shaun King(Tulane, Conference USA) Mark Brunell(Washington, University Athletic) McNair. Hmm, no SEC one more.

So, the SEC, most like the NFL confrence, has produced one QB in 25 that lead a team to the confrence championship. That's some pedigree there. Where as the Big East is 5 out of 25, and the fact that the MAC even has one is amazing considering the size of the schools and the talent they draw from.

OhNoKoolAid
10-23-2005, 10:55 AM
Last year the four QB's starting in the AFC and NFC championship game where: Tom Brady(Michigan, Big Ten), Ben Rothlesburger (Miami(OH), Mid American), Donovan McNabb(Sycuse, Big East) and Micheal Vick(Virgina Tech, ACC). No SEC to be found.

2004: McNabb covered, Brady covered, Jake Delhomme(La.-Lafayette, Sunbelt), and finaly Payton Manning(Tennesse, SEC) Ok, you're one for eight.


2003: Mcnabb, Brad Johnson(Florida State, ACC), Rich Gannon(Delaware, Alantic Ten), Steve McNair(Alcorn State, Southwestern Athletic). Hmm, no SEC again.

2002: Mcnabb good, Kurt Warner(Northern Iowa, Gateway), Brady covered, Kordell Stewart(Colorado, Big 12). Again, none

2001: Kerry Collins(Penn State, Big Ten), Daunte Culpepper(Central Florida, Atlantic Sun), Trent Dilfer(Fresno State, Western Athletic), Steve McNair(Alcorn State, Southwestern Athletic) No SEC again.

2000: Warner, Jeff George(Illinois, Big Ten), Shaun King(Tulane, Conference USA) Mark Brunell(Washington, University Athletic) McNair. Hmm, no SEC one more.

So, the SEC, most like the NFL confrence, has produced one QB in 25 that lead a team to the confrence championship. That's some pedigree there. Where as the Big East is 5 out of 25, and the fact that the MAC even has one is amazing considering the size of the schools and the talent they draw from.

You obviously don't care for the SEC, but conference affiliation holds no weight when discussing prospects. It sure didn't hurt the AFC(L)'s first championship quarterback...

If you have a beef with a conference, take it to the college football forum, otherwise, discuss intangibles that matter...

OhNoKoolAid
10-23-2005, 10:58 AM
This is NOT Scouts, Inc.

This is Scout.com. Which is the absolute best scouting team consisting of over 200 NFL scouts (as well as MLB, NBA, etc... but who cares about those sports). Huge difference, these guys are generally always right. Scouts, Inc, while interesting to read, are usually wrong.

My mistake, but it doesn't change my opinions on Chris Leak, as good as they may be, and I have used some of their MLB material, he hasn't improved in my book, nor the book of most other fairly respected college scouts. I had little problem with any of their other QB reports, but Chris Leak is on the verge of replacement, not improvement.

chickennob2
10-23-2005, 11:16 AM
I found it odd that there was no mention of Brad Smith from Mizzou. Does that mean they think he's gonna go at a different position (WR), or that he is just simply not top 10?

Momentum
10-23-2005, 11:23 AM
I found it odd that there was no mention of Brad Smith from Mizzou. Does that mean they think he's gonna go at a different position (WR), or that he is just simply not top 10?

Brad Smith simply isnt GOOD.

Pandapeep
10-23-2005, 09:58 PM
If you have a beef with a conference, take it to the college football forum, otherwise, discuss intangibles that matter...

Not trying to be argumentative, but I didn't bring conference into it. I was refuting the point that confrence did in fact. So, I kinda agree with you.

OhNoKoolAid
10-24-2005, 01:30 PM
Not trying to be argumentative, but I didn't bring conference into it. I was refuting the point that confrence did in fact. So, I kinda agree with you.

My bad, sometimes you assume tone when you cannot hear it, I misinterperted your post because of that.