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spikerman
01-08-2006, 07:33 PM
I'm not one to talk about how much respect Denver gets, etc., but this is the first national sportswriter I've heard talk like this.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2284356

IrishConrad
01-08-2006, 07:37 PM
Micheal SMith is a pretty decent sportswriter.....at least one of the few i can stand.

ColRockies_5
01-08-2006, 07:40 PM
I wonder if the New England citizens are calling him a traitor...he used to write for the Boston Globe, and now he's talking like this?

But, seriously, I love to hear it

BRONCOS_OWN_U16
01-08-2006, 07:40 PM
i agree with this guy completly and tried to show this in my other post


Patriots are playing good but not great football and are overhyped

SmithOverTO
01-08-2006, 08:45 PM
I would never, ever, wish to give Mike Shannhan two weeks to prepare for a game as big as this one....

Its like the Monday Nighter against the Chiefs only four times bigger!


Its Bronco time!

TheMastermind
01-08-2006, 08:58 PM
I would never, ever, wish to give Mike Shannhan two weeks to prepare for a game as big as this one....

Its like the Monday Nighter against the Chiefs only four times bigger!


Its Bronco time!

and shanny thrives for big games like this.....

i want denver to beat the pats.....beat the colts....then beat the seahawks.....

greatest post season ever..... :D

Archimedes Owl
01-08-2006, 09:04 PM
As I see it, most of the media gives the Patriots way too much credit and give Denver way too little, but I think that this guy is doing the opposite. He's giving the Patriots too little credit for what they did against Jacksonville. Still, stopping the weak Jags offense is quite different from facing the excellent Denver offense. And Denver has a superior defense to Jacksonville's, so even though the game was dominated by the Pats, you can't too much stock into it.

PatriotsCanWin
01-08-2006, 09:17 PM
i agree with this guy completly and tried to show this in my other post


Patriots are playing good but not great football and are overhyped

They aren't playing great football?

Wow, if the Patriots can beat a 12-4 team by 25 points playing poorly, I'd hate to see the score when they play great!

Archimedes Owl
01-08-2006, 09:18 PM
They aren't playing great football?

Wow, if the Patriots can beat a 12-4 team by 25 points playing poorly, I'd hate to see the score when they play great!
I'd hate to see when they were playing last year too.

The Myth
01-08-2006, 09:26 PM
As I see it, most of the media gives the Patriots way too much credit and give Denver way too little, but I think that this guy is doing the opposite. He's giving the Patriots too little credit for what they did against Jacksonville. Still, stopping the weak Jags offense is quite different from facing the excellent Denver offense. And Denver has a superior defense to Jacksonville's, so even though the game was dominated by the Pats, you can't too much stock into it.

So Denver has a much better D?
Team G Plys Yds/G Y/P FD/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd % 4th Md 4th Att 4th % Pen
Jacksonville 16 963 290.9 4.8 17.1 67 205 32.7 4 14 28.6 130 1055 28:27 21 9
Denver 16 985 312.9 5.1 18.4 76 207 36.7 10 19 52.6 139 989 27:23 29 16


Jacksonville is ranked --6th over all
Denver is ranked--15th

AZ Snake Fan
01-08-2006, 09:30 PM
---" Except that good won't be good enough in Denver or Indianapolis. The Patriots need to be great if they're going to make it 11 straight."
Michael Smith, senior writer for ESPN.com. --- thanks, spikerman !!!

--- GO BRONCOS !!! --- :cheers:

PatrickdaDookie
01-08-2006, 09:32 PM
I would never, ever, wish to give Mike Shannhan two weeks to prepare for a game as big as this one....

Its like the Monday Nighter against the Chiefs only four times bigger!


Its Bronco time!

The last two times Shanahan had two weeks to prepare for a playoff game, Denver won (Green Bay 31-24 and Miami 38-3). =)

Archimedes Owl
01-08-2006, 09:35 PM
So Denver has a much better D?
Team G Plys Yds/G Y/P FD/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd % 4th Md 4th Att 4th % Pen
Jacksonville 16 963 290.9 4.8 17.1 67 205 32.7 4 14 28.6 130 1055 28:27 21 9
Denver 16 985 312.9 5.1 18.4 76 207 36.7 10 19 52.6 139 989 27:23 29 16


Jacksonville is ranked --6th over all
Denver is ranked--15th
Yes indeed. Denver has the superior defense.

Denver ranks third in completion percentage allowed. Jacksonville ranks 17th.

Denver ranks fourth in passing yards allowed per attempt. Jacksonville ranks 13th.

Denver ranks 6th in interceptions. Jacksonville ranks 7th.

Denver ranks 2nd in total rushing yards allowed. Jacksonville ranks 14th.

Denver ranks 15th in yards allowed per carry. Jacksonville ranks 13th (They have that on us).

Denver allowed 258 points. Jacksonville allowed 269.

Yes, Denver does have the better defense.

By the way, I refuse to try to read that jumble of a table. If you can put it in a prettier format, I would feel happy to examine it.

CameronY
01-08-2006, 09:36 PM
The last two times Shanahan had two weeks to prepare for a playoff game, Denver won (Green Bay 31-24 and Miami 38-3). =)

Thanks for the reminder! After all, it wasn't until Shannahan cam to town that the Broncos finally became capable. As much as I love Elway...he couln't have done it without Shanahan!

dud
01-08-2006, 09:43 PM
So Denver has a much better D?
Team G Plys Yds/G Y/P FD/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd % 4th Md 4th Att 4th % Pen
Jacksonville 16 963 290.9 4.8 17.1 67 205 32.7 4 14 28.6 130 1055 28:27 21 9
Denver 16 985 312.9 5.1 18.4 76 207 36.7 10 19 52.6 139 989 27:23 29 16


Jacksonville is ranked --6th over all
Denver is ranked--15th

Denver had the 2nd best rushing defense in the AFC. New England has one of the worst ground attacks (Dillon isn't what he used to be.), so the running game is going to be eliminated. Brady is a pocket quarterback, and Denver is a pass coverage team. You can only sit in the pocket so long while your best receiver is smothered by Champ Bailey.

Denver's pass defense forces turnovers, and Brady won't be immune to it. When the rushing game is eliminated, Denver will be able to blitz more freely and pressure Brady. New England's offense is not ready for Denver's defense.

Also, I can't see New England shutting down Denver's running game, it's just too dynamic. Mike Anderson will knock you over and Tatum Bell will outrun you, all the while setting up play-action later in the game so Plummer can roll out and hit his tight ends, or Rod Smith downfield. New England, while they are a good football team and much better than they were last time we met (healthy players this time around) do not match up well against Denver. Denver plays a different game than Jacksonville, and the score will reflect it.

Archimedes Owl
01-08-2006, 09:45 PM
The last two times Shanahan had two weeks to prepare for a playoff game, Denver won (Green Bay 31-24 and Miami 38-3). =)
They had two weeks to prepare for Atlanta in the superbowl, too.

But they also had two weeks to prepare for Jacksonville when they beat us.

Really, history doesn't mean a lot here. I mean, he's had two weeks to prepare, but he just found out today who we were to play. And as this team is different that the ones that fell out of the playoffs against Indy the last couple of years, it is also different from the ones that won the superbowls.

In other words, history means nothing.

PatrickdaDookie
01-08-2006, 10:12 PM
They had two weeks to prepare for Atlanta in the superbowl, too.

I believe there was a scheudling change for Super Bowl XXXIII where, for the next few years, there was only one week between the conference championships and the super bowl.

But thinking about it again, that may have started with Super Bowl XXXIV. I know Sharpe had enough time to talk some trash with Ray Buchanan. Anyone remember this for sure?

Archimedes Owl
01-08-2006, 10:28 PM
I believe there was a scheudling change for Super Bowl XXXIII where, for the next few years, there was only one week between the conference championships and the super bowl.

But thinking about it again, that may have started with Super Bowl XXXIV. I know Sharpe had enough time to talk some trash with Ray Buchanan. Anyone remember this for sure?
I think that Sharpe could have found time to talk trash with Buchanan if there had only been 20 minutes before the game.

Deck
01-08-2006, 10:30 PM
They aren't playing great football?

Wow, if the Patriots can beat a 12-4 team by 25 points playing poorly, I'd hate to see the score when they play great!


Uhmm... Hate to burst your bubble <again> but the Jags schedule/conference is the near exact same as the Colts: WEAK... a team to lose 4 times with THEIR schedule... well I think they only played four good teams right? they did beat the Steelers, yes... without Roethlis-*mumblemumble* and Cinci..... yay.... but big deal.... They played the NFC West Conference and then they had.... oh no.... the TEXANS and.....oh goodness.... THE TITANS in their conference....
In fact... here's the schedule:
Sep 11 Seattle Won 26-14
Sep 18 @Indianapolis Lost 3-10
Sep 25 @N.Y. Jets Won 26-20
Oct 2 Denver Lost 7-20
Oct 9 Cincinnati Won 23-20
Oct 16 @Pittsburgh Won 23-17
Week 7 BYE
Oct 30 @St. Louis Lost 21-24
Nov 6 Houston Won 21-14
Nov 13 Baltimore Won 30-3
Nov 20 @Tennessee Won 31-28
Nov 27 @Arizona Won 24-17
Dec 4 @Cleveland Won 20-14
Dec 11 Indianapolis Lost 18-26
Dec 18 San Francisco Won 10-9
Dec 24 @Houston Won 38-20
Jan 1 Tennessee Won 40-13
Jan 7 @New England Lost 3-28


If you wanna see a rough schedule... look at ours... or... hey, look at yours.... see the difference?
12-4 is almost as big a joke as the Dolts going undefeated....

McCaffreyFan87
01-08-2006, 10:46 PM
Yeah I remember reading on some site that had rankings that "Everybody forgets how Jacksonville finished the season." And i thought to myself, no I remember them beating Cleveland, San Fran., Houston and Tennessee...I would also like to say that their final 10 games was probably the easiest 10 game stretch in the history of the nfl...

Deck
01-08-2006, 10:49 PM
*coughs*Except for maybe the Dolts*cough-cough*

McCaffreyFan87
01-08-2006, 10:59 PM
Yeah...but they didn't even win that game...

PatrickdaDookie
01-08-2006, 11:01 PM
So people will actually know what they are talking about...


Saints .566 145 111
Buccaneers .550 132 108
Giants .543 139 117
Bengals .543 139 117
Steelers .531 136 120
Titans .527 135 121
Chiefs .527 135 121
Texans .523 134 122
Ravens .523 134 122
Eagles .520 133 123
Redskins .516 132 124
Broncos .516 132 124
Raiders .516 132 124
Browns .512 131 125
Falcons .508 130 126
Rams .508 130 126
Panthers .504 129 127
Cowboys .504 129 127
Cardinals .500 128 128
Chargers .488 125 131
Colts .484 124 132
Jaguars .484 124 132
49ers .477 122 134
Bills .477 122 134
Lions .473 121 135
Patriots .473 121 135
Dolphins .469 120 136
Jets .465 119 137
Vikings .457 117 139
Seahawks .457 117 139
Packers .449 115 141
Bears .445 114 142

McCaffreyFan87
01-08-2006, 11:02 PM
What is that? Opponent's winning percentage?

PatrickdaDookie
01-08-2006, 11:09 PM
Yep. Thought it was obvious. :confused:

McCaffreyFan87
01-08-2006, 11:15 PM
Sorry, I was just making sure...I don't really care about that stat anyway. All that matters is how you perform when you play the winning teams...And the Broncos had more wins against winning teams and the best winning percentage against teams w/ winning records this season...`nuff said.

Kapaibro
01-08-2006, 11:16 PM
It's nice to see a writer not neccessarily give props to the Broncos, but point out that the Pats didn't have the toughest of play-off game. The Jags didn't really give them much opposition, and they didn't have to work as hard as they will on Saturday.