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WhoDeyBengals
03-14-2006, 09:28 AM
You heard it here first. Guaranteed.

They're going to move Robert Geathers to DT, David Pollack to DE, and Arrington to OLB. It'll be like the perfect mix between a 3-4 and a 4-3. :D

x_predator89
03-14-2006, 09:34 AM
Hey if the want that head case they can have him. I would interested to see interactions with him and chad.

WhoDeyBengals
03-14-2006, 10:39 AM
Hey if the want that head case they can have him. I would interested to see interactions with him and chad.
I've got a reliable source. Arrington has a previous relationship with Lewis, so it makes sense.

RoorRipper
03-14-2006, 11:26 AM
Well hurry up and tell me.

Im updating my Madden 06 rosters, and putting everyone on their respective teams.

Browns will be damn good, let me tell you. Same with the 'Skins.

dogfish
03-14-2006, 11:27 AM
You heard it here first. Guaranteed.

They're going to move Robert Geathers to DT, David Pollack to DE, and Arrington to OLB. It'll be like the perfect mix between a 3-4 and a 4-3. :D

geathers is gonna need to seriously beef up if he's gonna play inside. . . but if he does i suppose he could be a decent interior pass rusher. we know marv likes a smaller, quicker D that gets penetration, ala chicago-- i can't see you actually playing any 3-4, though. . . nobody to play NT. . .

WhoDeyBengals
03-14-2006, 11:38 AM
geathers is gonna need to seriously beef up if he's gonna play inside. . . but if he does i suppose he could be a decent interior pass rusher. we know marv likes a smaller, quicker D that gets penetration, ala chicago-- i can't see you actually playing any 3-4, though. . . nobody to play NT. . .
You're right about Geathers and the lack of NT on the team. The Bengals are in discussions with both Sam Adams and Grady Jackson, which would give us some size. If I'm visualizing this correctly, they'd put Geathers on the same side of the line as Pollack and either Adams or Jackson (whoever we get) on the other side. Then they'd be able to stunt all day with Pollack. It could get REALLY confusing. :)

Tyler_Thompson
03-14-2006, 11:43 AM
Bengals going to playoffs again next year if they get him and btw nice Hicks sig WhoDey

dogfish
03-14-2006, 11:58 AM
You're right about Geathers and the lack of NT on the team. The Bengals are in discussions with both Sam Adams and Grady Jackson, which would give us some size. If I'm visualizing this correctly, they'd put Geathers on the same side of the line as Pollack and either Adams or Jackson (whoever we get) on the other side. Then they'd be able to stunt all day with Pollack. It could get REALLY confusing. :)

i'm confused already, but that's nothing new. . . :D

do you think they're going to switch geathers and pollack regardless, or would that be contingent on getting lavarr? if they sign a DT, do you think they might go after a TE in the 1st round?

also, what's going on with chris henry's injury? and didn't i read that someone signed kevin walter to an offer sheet? i thought he showed something last year, you guys should keep him-- don't want that WR core getting thin after it's become a real strength the past 2 years.

also-- who's the backup QB now? you need some decent insurance for palmer's knee, especially if he's not ready to start the season-- slow starts have ruined enough seasons for you guys, you don't need to go there again. . .


ahh, the off-season whirlwind. . . at least someone is using the rumor mill forum!
;)

WhoDeyBengals
03-14-2006, 11:59 AM
Bengals going to playoffs again next year if they get him and btw nice Hicks sig WhoDey
Thanks man! JAXnition put that together for me. It's too bad we're NIT bound. I hope they start all the worst players and lose it. Kennedy just wants to be done, and I'll be a fan of whoever he goes to :)

I don't know if one player will be the difference maker, but I'm hoping we can have another good season this year. I read that Carson Palmer was seen bowling somewhere, so that's a good sign as far as being ready for training camp!

WhoDeyBengals
03-14-2006, 12:10 PM
i'm confused already, but that's nothing new. . . :D

do you think they're going to switch geathers and pollack regardless, or would that be contingent on getting lavarr? if they sign a DT, do you think they might go after a TE in the 1st round?
I think we still need to sign a DT if we get one of these older guys. There will still be good TE's available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If we don't get a DT, I'm going to be hoping for another CB. Tory James has one, maybe two good years left, and I'm not sure that Keiwan Ratliff is going to fill those shoes.

Any personnel moves in our LB corps would be contingent on the acquisition of Arrington.

also, what's going on with chris henry's injury? and didn't i read that someone signed kevin walter to an offer sheet? i thought he showed something last year, you guys should keep him-- don't want that WR core getting thin after it's become a real strength the past 2 years.
The Henry injury's a non-issue. What I'm worried about is his legal problems. He got picked up in Kentucky back in December for marijuana possession, and then again in January for an illegal gun possession charge. He's lucky he didn't get shot. He could be looking at a suspension and a fine from the NFL, along with enrollment in the substance abuse program. After it all went down, I wanted to cut him. Now, I'm not so sure. It would probably be easier to hire a babysitter for the guy.

On Walter: I would hate to see him go. He was a big contributor on ST, and he's a solid WR. However, I'm not sure he's everyday #3 material. Kubiak wants him badly - he made comparisons to Ed McCaffrey when he met with Walter and his agent. I'd like to have him back; if we don't keep him, look for the Bengals to draft a WR late.

also-- who's the backup QB now? you need some decent insurance for palmer's knee, especially if he's not ready to start the season-- slow starts have ruined enough seasons for you guys, you don't need to go there again. . .
Well, Kitna's gone, as you know. Right now, the QB depth chart looks like this:

1. Palmer
2. Doug Johnson
3. Craig Krenzel

The Bengals are talking to Jamie Martin of the Rams today, and Josh McCown isn't out of the question, either.

dogfish
03-14-2006, 12:24 PM
I think we still need to sign a DT if we get one of these older guys. There will still be good TE's available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If we don't get a DT, I'm going to be hoping for another CB. Tory James has one, maybe two good years left, and I'm not sure that Keiwan Ratliff is going to fill those shoes.

i agree you should still look to spend a high pick on a DT-- i think it's the weakest position on the team right now, with not a single guy that i consider starting calibre. . . CB help would be nice, but isn't quite the immediate need DT is-- run defense was your biggest weakness last year. ratliff should be a decent nickel back. . . and it wouldn,t hurt to draft a safety-- jackson's solid but not special, and you don't have much behind the starters. . .


Any personnel moves in our LB corps would be contingent on the acquisition of Arrington.

i didn't watch many bengals games down the stretch, but i remember reading that pollack was playing more with his hand on the ground towards the end of the year-- was that just on 3rd downs? were they using him there just to get him on the field, or do you think he's just more comfortable at DE?


The Henry injury's a non-issue. What I'm worried about is his legal problems. He got picked up in Kentucky back in December for marijuana possession, and then again in January for an illegal gun possession charge. He's lucky he didn't get shot. He could be looking at a suspension and a fine from the NFL, along with enrollment in the substance abuse program. After it all went down, I wanted to cut him. Now, I'm not so sure. It would probably be easier to hire a babysitter for the guy.

if he doesn't wise up, he's not gonna have a long career. . .


On Walter: I would hate to see him go. He was a big contributor on ST, and he's a solid WR. However, I'm not sure he's everyday #3 material. Kubiak wants him badly - he made comparisons to Ed McCaffrey when he met with Walter and his agent. I'd like to have him back; if we don't keep him, look for the Bengals to draft a WR late.

do you think kelly washington can contribute anything? did houston in fact sign walter to an offer sheet? and is he an RFA? i'm just not very up on bengals news. . . :heh:


Well, Kitna's gone, as you know. Right now, the QB depth chart looks like this:

1. Palmer
2. Doug Johnson
3. Craig Krenzel

The Bengals are talking to Jamie Martin of the Rams today, and Josh McCown isn't out of the question, either.

who's your preference?

WhoDeyBengals
03-14-2006, 12:38 PM
i agree you should still look to spend a high pick on a DT-- i think it's the weakest position on the team right now, with not a single guy that i consider starting calibre. . . CB help would be nice, but isn't quite the immediate need DT is-- run defense was your biggest weakness last year. ratliff should be a decent nickel back. . . and it wouldn,t hurt to draft a safety-- jackson's solid but not special, and you don't have much behind the starters. . .
Shaun Smith is the only DT that I feel is anywhere close to what could be considered "good." Thornton's okay, but he can be beaten, and Robinson gets swallowed up by doubleteams. We need to load up at this position, pronto.

i didn't watch many bengals games down the stretch, but i remember reading that pollack was playing more with his hand on the ground towards the end of the year-- was that just on 3rd downs? were they using him there just to get him on the field, or do you think he's just more comfortable at DE?
Pollack was doing some interesting things down the stretch. Sometimes, he'd start out lined up at LB, and then as the cadence progressed, he'd creep towards the line and put his hand down. It was very effective on passing downs. The QB would be flushed to the right side of the pocket, and we'd have a corner blitz on from that side. Pollack will show why we invested a 1st round pick in him this year. :)

He was starting to look more comfortable as an LB, but I think he belongs closer to the line. If we bring in Arrington, we can let him get back to his natural position instead of trying to craft him into something he's not.

do you think kelly washington can contribute anything? did houston in fact sign walter to an offer sheet? and is he an RFA? i'm just not very up on bengals news. . . :heh:
Washington was the one that we were hoping someone would match for. He's a RFA, and we'd get a 3rd round pick as compensation if someone picks him up. Kelley's an interesting case. He'll make a brilliant play on the first down he plays, and then he'll come out and do something stupid like miss his cut on the next one. He grandstands. He won't go across the middle because of an old neck injury. He could be a contributor, but I'm not his biggest fan. He'd be a good #3 somewhere else. Not here.

Houston indeed made Walter an offer, and Walter signed it. It's for like 1.3Mil/yr. We have until next Monday to decide whether to match or be compensated with a 7th round pick.

who's your preference?
Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Jamie Martin brought in. He didn't look bad last year, considering his situation. McCown is the sexier choice - I just have to wonder why Green was so down on him last year, despite the fact that his performance was better than Warner's over the stretch he played. But for the love of all that is sacred, we do NOT need Doug Johnson taking snaps during the regular season under any circumstances. I'd like to see it like this:

1. Palmer
2. McCown
3. D. Johnson

But the more likely situation is sub Martin for McCown.

Blazindro
03-14-2006, 05:48 PM
I've got a reliable source. Arrington has a previous relationship with Lewis, so it makes sense.

It's JetsTv all over again :goofy:

WhoDeyBengals
03-14-2006, 09:52 PM
It's JetsTv all over again :goofy:
I'd hardly call Lance McAllister (local radio guy - very well connected) and the Dayton Daily News "JetsTv."

Just you watch, buddy. :)

Blazindro
03-14-2006, 10:28 PM
I'd hardly call Lance McAllister (local radio guy - very well connected) and the Dayton Daily News "JetsTv."

Just you watch, buddy. :)

Well you said "I have a very reliable source" so that's why I said that because thaths what that nerdy Jets fan said also. ;)

dogfish
03-14-2006, 10:46 PM
sorry whodey, i forgot about this thread. . . :heh:



Shaun Smith is the only DT that I feel is anywhere close to what could be considered "good." Thornton's okay, but he can be beaten, and Robinson gets swallowed up by doubleteams. We need to load up at this position, pronto.

agreed-- you know i think it's your top priority. . .



Pollack was doing some interesting things down the stretch. Sometimes, he'd start out lined up at LB, and then as the cadence progressed, he'd creep towards the line and put his hand down. It was very effective on passing downs. The QB would be flushed to the right side of the pocket, and we'd have a corner blitz on from that side. Pollack will show why we invested a 1st round pick in him this year.

He was starting to look more comfortable as an LB, but I think he belongs closer to the line. If we bring in Arrington, we can let him get back to his natural position instead of trying to craft him into something he's not.

seems to me that RDE should be his natural position, especially in the 4-3. . . did you think he was effective in coverage?




Washington was the one that we were hoping someone would match for. He's a RFA, and we'd get a 3rd round pick as compensation if someone picks him up. Kelley's an interesting case. He'll make a brilliant play on the first down he plays, and then he'll come out and do something stupid like miss his cut on the next one. He grandstands. He won't go across the middle because of an old neck injury. He could be a contributor, but I'm not his biggest fan. He'd be a good #3 somewhere else. Not here.

no way he's shown enough for someone to give up a 3rd for him, even in a weak WR market. . . i remember he had some character concerns coming out-- i thought that slid him down the board in addition to the injury. . . another problem child for marv to babysit. . . if walter leaves he may be worth keeping around though-- at the very least he can provide a deep threat if henry continues to get in trouble. how about tab perry? is he a carrer special teamer, or can he contribute as a WR?




Houston indeed made Walter an offer, and Walter signed it. It's for like 1.3Mil/yr. We have until next Monday to decide whether to match or be compensated with a 7th round pick.

i would match it if i were them-- in the few bengals games i watched, he made some plays and showed that he knew how to get open and move the chains. . . i don't think a 7th is adequate compensation, i doubt you'd find a WR there who can contribute as much. . . and it's not exactly a back-breaking contract!


Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Jamie Martin brought in. He didn't look bad last year, considering his situation. McCown is the sexier choice - I just have to wonder why Green was so down on him last year, despite the fact that his performance was better than Warner's over the stretch he played. But for the love of all that is sacred, we do NOT need Doug Johnson taking snaps during the regular season under any circumstances. I'd like to see it like this:

1. Palmer
2. McCown
3. D. Johnson

But the more likely situation is sub Martin for McCown.

denny's clearly had some problems picking a QB the past 2 years-- for a while i thought he was losing his mind! you feel about johnson the way i feel about BVP. . . :ugh: :sick:

WhoDeyBengals
03-15-2006, 09:34 AM
sorry whodey, i forgot about this thread. . .
No problem. :D

[QUOTE]agreed-- you know i think it's your top priority. . .
At this point, no matter what they do, if they draft a position other than DT in the first round, I'm going to be scratching my head. Yes, we need a TE, but I don't think the success of our offense hinges on it.


seems to me that RDE should be his natural position, especially in the 4-3. . . did you think he was effective in coverage?
To be honest with you, we didn't really get to see enough of him in coverage. Pollack's main proficiency is rushing the QB. I did see him make a few open field tackles, and he did get a tip that led to an interception once, but I don't think that's something that we can expect to see from him consistently. If we were to acquire Arrington, Pollack would move to a much more comfortable spot in the defense, and we'd see him flourish. I'm not as confident about the Arrington acquisition today as I was yesterday, though. We're still trying to get our O-Line re-signed. Things will be tight unless we pull off some Dan Snyder-esque magic on the deal.


no way he's shown enough for someone to give up a 3rd for him, even in a weak WR market. . . i remember he had some character concerns coming out-- i thought that slid him down the board in addition to the injury. . . another problem child for marv to babysit. . . if walter leaves he may be worth keeping around though-- at the very least he can provide a deep threat if henry continues to get in trouble. how about tab perry? is he a carrer special teamer, or can he contribute as a WR?
Tab Perry is my freakin' hero, and no way is he a career special teamer. You'd be surprised to learn that there was some discussion of having him make a transition from WT to FS. Sounds like some fans fantasizing, right? Nope. Marvin was actually the one that acknowledged that it was more than just a pie in the sky idea. Looks like that won't have to happen now, though.

Washington more or less cleaned up his act after Lewis reigned him in. Everyone here in the 'Nati was pretty surprised with how well he's behaved himself lately. Of course, who knows whether he would regress if he were to go to another team.


i would match it if i were them-- in the few bengals games i watched, he made some plays and showed that he knew how to get open and move the chains. . . i don't think a 7th is adequate compensation, i doubt you'd find a WR there who can contribute as much. . . and it's not exactly a back-breaking contract!
Walter was also one of our leading tacklers on special teams. He'll be missed if we don't match the offer sheet the Texans have put on the table. I absolutely agree that it's not adequate compensation, unless you take into account that it's better than nothing. Good thing we picked him up on a 3 year deal so we can get something out of it when he leaves, right? RFA's are funny that way. I did some digging, and it would actually be 1.7mil a year we'd need to pay the guy. Without knowing what's going to come of Chris Henry, that seems steep for a guy that might only be a ST'er and a backup #3 on the depth chart.


denny's clearly had some problems picking a QB the past 2 years-- for a while i thought he was losing his mind! you feel about johnson the way i feel about BVP. . . :ugh: :sick:
*nods* On McCown, you have to wonder if his "streetball" mentality got him in the doghouse. I saw footage of the SF/ARI game in Mexico City on INFL last year, and they had footage of McCown in the huddle making things up as he went along. Not calling plays. It was pure streetball, and I bet that Green blew his stack when he saw the footage.

Doug Johnson is a journeyman at best. I don't think he's going to help us as a backup, especially if we need to start him the first few games of the season. I understand that we can expect to sign Jamie Martin today.

WhoDeyBengals
03-16-2006, 10:01 AM
NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/03-16-2006/sports/story/400071p-338947c.html)The Giants still don't have a weak-side linebacker, though, and there now seems to be little hope of them landing LaVar Arrington. A source familiar with his plans told The News that "LaVar is talking seriously with other teams and has no plans to revisit the Giants." It is believed that the Cincinnati Bengals have become the front-runner for his services, and he's expected to visit there in the coming days.

The source also said that Arrington's status will not be affected by the NFL Players Association decision yesterday to hit his agent, Carl Poston, with a two-year suspension. Poston was banned for his role in Arrington's dispute with the Redskins over a $6.5 million bonus, but he is planning an appeal.
The threat of that suspension is why Carl's brother, Kevin, has been handling Arrington's negotiations this offseason.

Things are heating up.

Bulldawg
04-04-2006, 10:19 AM
wow if the Bengals can land Arrington they will have strongly improved their defense after already signing Sam Adams & Dexter Jackson

WhoDeyBengals
04-04-2006, 11:20 AM
wow if the Bengals can land Arrington they will have strongly improved their defense after already signing Sam Adams & Dexter Jackson
The likelihood has decreased a bit. I hope that they can still afford him, but given that we still need a quarterback, I don't think we're going to get him. Matt Schaub's name has come up in recent conversations again, but if the Jets couldn't get him out of the Falcons, I don't think we can either. They like what they've got, and they'll probably keep him for another year.

Arrington's price tag will need to come down if we're going to have a crack at him. I think he wants to be here, though.

WhoDeyBengals
04-10-2006, 01:04 PM
This information provided by Lance McAllister, a radio personality in Cincinnati - he's probably one of the most well respected sports guys in the city. His website's at lance1360homer.com (http://www.lance1360homer.com)

From my Bengals observer:
Bengals remain interested in LaVar Arrington. They have crafted a very friendly one year deal and given it to LaVar's agent. Stay tuned as more news on this front will come out prior to the draft.
They remain interested in Harrington but will not give in to the Lion's demands for draft pick compensation. The team also remains interested in Jamie Martin as well as others. Expect this situation to be resolved shortly after the draft so that they can get a player in by the May mini camp.
What else I'm told:
Chad's changing body:
"Chad Johnson is ripped. I mean as far as seeing a physical change in a player from one season to the next I was floored with what Chad has done. I can't believe I'm saying this but he looks Terrell Owens-ish. Kudos to Chad, as he has made a serious effort to increase his size and strength this off-season."
Carson tossing the pigskin:
"Friday Carson Palmer was moving quite well and working out in the weight room
Carson, Chad, TJ, and Tab Perry all were on the field Friday for about a half hour. Carson was throwing the ball from a standing position (no drop backs etc.). Carson looked well in throwing the short balls to the receivers, however his mobility is still very limited but coming along. The picture of him throwing though made everyone feel much better and definitely raised the spirits of everyone around. The team plans to have Carson throw periodically to keep his reps up and work on his arm strength. I was told they hope to see some mobility while throwing from him some time in June. He currently is scheduled to be throwing with full mobility by August 7th. If all goes well he would be positioned to return full speed by September 11th which is one week prior to the Browns game."
More notes:
Craig Krenzel also looked very sharp throwing the ball on medium to long routes Friday.
He connected with Chad downfield on a 50 yard bomb that was a textbook throw.
Craig was very impressive. He also looks like he bulked up considerably from 2005.

Medford Bronco
04-10-2006, 01:15 PM
You heard it here first. Guaranteed.

They're going to move Robert Geathers to DT, David Pollack to DE, and Arrington to OLB. It'll be like the perfect mix between a 3-4 and a 4-3. :D

That would make Cincy that one of the top two teams in the Conference if it happened. :D for you whodey

Fins4Life
04-10-2006, 01:18 PM
I'd hardly call Lance McAllister (local radio guy - very well connected) and the Dayton Daily News "JetsTv."

Just you watch, buddy. :)


Arrington to the Fins...didnt you watch the ESPN interview the only thing they talked about was Miami :coffee:

WhoDeyBengals
04-10-2006, 01:18 PM
That would make Cincy that one of the top two teams in the Conference if it happened. :D for you whodey
I sure hope so. My favorite part of this most recent report is the update on Carson. He's up and he's throwing the ball! Woohoo!

WhoDeyBengals
04-10-2006, 01:19 PM
Arrington to the Fins...didnt you watch the ESPN interview the only thing they talked about was Miami :coffee:
Didn't see it.