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BroncosRPH
03-21-2006, 05:08 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5433076


Disgruntled defensive end John Abraham may finally have been traded to the team he was hoping, albeit not in the trade route that was expected.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Falcons, Broncos and Jets swung a three-way trade Tuesday in order to make the deal happen that would get Abraham to the Falcons. The deal is also still be reviewed by the league office and all parties are waiting for approval.
If the trade is approved, then the Falcons have traded their first-round pick (No. 15 overall) to the Broncos, which traded their first-rounder (No. 29) and two additional picks to Atlanta. The Falcons then send the 29th pick of the draft to the Jets for Abraham. The Jets thus receive a draft pick two slots higher in the first round than the Seahawks were able to offer.

Abraham also told FOXSports.com several days ago that he had agreed to the financial parameters of a deal with the Falcons and insisted that was the primary team he wanted to play for.

Abraham also talked glowingly about the opportunity to play on a defense with the likes of fellow Pro Bowl defensive end Patrick Kerney as well as Pro Bowler players Keith Booking, DeAngelo Hall and Rod Coleman. Abraham also balked at the idea of moving to the Northwest to play in Seattle.

All three teams must get league approval before the trade becomes validated

So.CalBRONCOFAN
03-21-2006, 05:10 PM
I just read this in the free agency section, this is awesome!!! You guys wanted us to make a move, and now we have!!!!!

this is gonna be so much better, we can almost get anyone we want now, realistically.

Freestyle
03-21-2006, 05:11 PM
2 things Im wondering about:
I wonder what picks Denver had to give up..

I wonder who we are targeting in the draft. A RB?

I3IzOnCoF4n24
03-21-2006, 05:12 PM
hell yea!!! with number 15 AND 22 we can get 2 great players!!!!! number 15 helps us out soooo much!

Skywalker
03-21-2006, 05:12 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5433076


Disgruntled defensive end John Abraham may finally have been traded to the team he was hoping, albeit not in the trade route that was expected.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Falcons, Broncos and Jets swung a three-way trade Tuesday in order to make the deal happen that would get Abraham to the Falcons. The deal is also still be reviewed by the league office and all parties are waiting for approval.
If the trade is approved, then the Falcons have traded their first-round pick (No. 15 overall) to the Broncos, which traded their first-rounder (No. 29) and two additional picks to Atlanta. The Falcons then send the 29th pick of the draft to the Jets for Abraham. The Jets thus receive a draft pick two slots higher in the first round than the Seahawks were able to offer.

Abraham also told FOXSports.com several days ago that he had agreed to the financial parameters of a deal with the Falcons and insisted that was the primary team he wanted to play for.

Abraham also talked glowingly about the opportunity to play on a defense with the likes of fellow Pro Bowl defensive end Patrick Kerney as well as Pro Bowler players Keith Booking, DeAngelo Hall and Rod Coleman. Abraham also balked at the idea of moving to the Northwest to play in Seattle.

All three teams must get league approval before the trade becomes validated

truthfully...I would really rather just trade for Abraham...


but maybe this way we know we can get Mathias Kiwanuka at #22 and we could take DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White at #15 or vise versa...or grab Kiwanuka and a DT and take Mike Bell later...


Im a Tatum supporter...but I really wouldnt mind drafting a rookie.

RunYouOver
03-21-2006, 05:13 PM
2 things Im wondering about:
I wonder what picks Denver had to give up..

I wonder who we are targeting in the draft. A RB?

We gave up our 29, and I think a 3rd and a 4th.

bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 05:18 PM
FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats a great move - moving up 14 places in the 1st just for a 3rd and 4th rounder (we may get a 3rd round compensation pick as well)

we REALLY took advantage of atlanta - JA - NYJ messed up situation!!! LOL

we could package these 2 picks for a top 10

if we stay at 15 we are bound to have a shot at a top player - maybe vernon davis - ngata or a top RB.

HELL YEAH!!! :beer:

Conde
03-21-2006, 05:20 PM
Man I hope this deal goes through. I was mad upset we didn't get T.O. but this will turn my frown upsidedown. With the #15 pick, we got to get RB DeAngelo Williams.

RazR
03-21-2006, 05:21 PM
Man, makes me wonder who the Broncos are eyeing in the draft?? #15 is pretty high up there...

So.CalBRONCOFAN
03-21-2006, 05:24 PM
FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats a great move - moving up 14 places in the 1st just for a 3rd and 4th rounder (we may get a 3rd round compensation pick as well)

we REALLY took advantage of atlanta - JA - NYJ messed up situation!!! LOL

we could package these 2 picks for a top 10

if we stay at 15 we are bound to have a shot at a top player - maybe vernon davis - ngata or a top RB.

HELL YEAH!!! :beer:

Package, heck now, we need to keep these two picks, we can get some great players now.

I figured we would get a great player at 22 and not so great at 29, but now!!!!

RBfactory04
03-21-2006, 05:25 PM
I would actually picture the Saints picking up Vernon davis with that second pick. Brees had a killer tight end in San Diego and im sure he would love to have another. Either way im happy to see we made a move

Conde
03-21-2006, 05:26 PM
When was the last time we picked in the top 15?:confused:

I too want to know who they are eyeing at 15. You guys know who I want, DeAngelo Williams. Who do you guys want at #15?

JkThSnake #16
03-21-2006, 05:27 PM
Man I hope this deal goes through. I was mad upset we didn't get T.O. but this will turn my frown upsidedown. With the #15 pick, we got to get RB DeAngelo Williams.


Screw williams we can for sure get maroney with the 15th pick and get lawson with the 22 pick. or package the 15 and another pick and move up and try for super mario :beer:

bcbronc
03-21-2006, 05:28 PM
wow! great job by the broncos, imo. moving up to the 15th for the 29th, a 3rd this year and a 4th next. nice deal.

sure opens up a lot of possibilities. we could move up into the top 10 (anyone have the draft pick value chart handy? where would are two #1's put us?). that could give us a shot at davis or ngata. i would also love to get huff. lynch and huff starting in the secondary would be pretty okay.

this gets a woot-woot out of me.

SunDevil_Jake
03-21-2006, 05:28 PM
According to Adam Schefter, we gave up a 3rd Round this year and a 4th Round NEXT YEAR!

Someone call the police! Shanahan just robbed the Falcons/Jets!

I never wanted Abraham OR Owens!!!!

bcbronc
03-21-2006, 05:29 PM
I would actually picture the Saints picking up Vernon davis with that second pick. Brees had a killer tight end in San Diego and im sure he would love to have another. Either way im happy to see we made a move


i agree completely. there is a lot of talk about them taking mario, but they have a couple of solid ends. if i was the saints i would definately be considering davis (although marcedes might be there with there #2).

RazR
03-21-2006, 05:30 PM
According to Adam Schefter, we gave up a 3rd Round this year and a 4th Round NEXT YEAR!

Someone call the police! Shanahan just robbed the Falcons/Jets!

I never wanted Abraham OR Owens!!!!

I'm shocked this trade went through. Shanahan just robbed 'em.

JRWIZ
03-21-2006, 05:31 PM
When was the last time we picked in the top 15?:confused:

I too want to know who they are eyeing at 15. You guys know who I want, DeAngelo Williams. Who do you guys want at #15?




2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California


He was a reach and Mikey will reach again.

bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 05:32 PM
this is what the top teams do - SMART MOVES

the skin's can go and spend $$$$$$$$$$ if they want

dallas can take on a ticking timebomb

but shanny just took advantage of the JA messed up triangle and we made out like bandits!!!!!

FINALLY WE CAN BUILD OUR TEAM AND DL/WR AROUND THE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!

VADER72
03-21-2006, 05:33 PM
Great move. Love to see us go after for offensive firepower. See if we can get an even higher draft pick with a trade and go after Davis and White or Williams. This erases all disappointment of the FA stuff. Now we have a shot at getting two impact rookies. I would be targeting Davis first though. I wouldn't be surprised to see us make another trade to move up even more.

bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 05:34 PM
2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California


He was a reach and Mikey will reach again.

he had some good years and was a pro bowl player - he didnt cut it so we traded him. there were worst busts then him that were taken higher up!!!

some ppl will not give shanny credit - he has given up a great RB situation, make jake a very good qb - got us to the afc champ. game at home and even with limited money this offseason he does the best we could hope for

some of you REALLY are spoiled

Freestyle
03-21-2006, 05:35 PM
2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California


He was a reach and Mikey will reach again.
That class was pretty pathetic for CBs.

I do wonder what college prospect has Shanahan and his scouts drooling. :confused:

bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 05:38 PM
i normally like us building the D but i see no one worth taking.

MARIO will be gone

NGATA would be a great pick IF he drops.

the only other one worth #15 is WILLIAMS but we are set at CB.

i think that unless ngata drops we should take a offensive power house, but who?

no TE worth it - unless DAVIS drops, unlikely!!!!!

no WR worth it - we are set at QB

maybe we are looking at a top RB???

trade 2 picks for the #1 and get BUSH!!!! j/k

but who????

rockrules40
03-21-2006, 05:38 PM
I think that maybe shanny is trying to get BRODRICK BUNKLEY with this trade or hes trying to get up higher to make sure he can get LenDale White (I hope). or even try to get santonio holmes. I would be happy all 3

bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 05:39 PM
That class was pretty pathetic for CBs.

I do wonder what college prospect has Shanahan and his scouts drooling. :confused:

im not sure we have anyone in mind specially - it was just a smart move. although i could be wrong and we know who we want!!!

BVP
03-21-2006, 05:39 PM
Man, makes me wonder who the Broncos are eyeing in the draft?? #15 is pretty high up there...

And we aren't used to having this high of a draft pick. Man, this was an awsome trade by the Broncos, very worth it! :D

BVP
03-21-2006, 05:40 PM
I think that maybe shanny is trying to get BRODRICK BUNKLEY with this trade or hes trying to get up higher to make sure he can get LenDale White (I hope). or even try to get santonio holmes. I would be happy all 3

Holmes would be good. Either Holmes, Lendale, or DeAngelo, I will be happy with our pick! :beer:

bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 05:41 PM
DT is a BIG hole!!! maybe bigger then DE for us

for all you college experts - is bunkley worth #15??? would he be a beast along with warren??

champbronc2
03-21-2006, 05:41 PM
According to Adam Schefter, we gave up a 3rd Round this year and a 4th Round NEXT YEAR!

Someone call the police! Shanahan just robbed the Falcons/Jets!

I never wanted Abraham OR Owens!!!!
Damn right! This is awesome! :beer: What were the falcons thinking!?!?

topscribe
03-21-2006, 05:41 PM
2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California


He was a reach and Mikey will reach again.
Not sure if this was the best example. Shanny has had plenty of busts, but O'Neal had a really nice sophomore year before he went south.
Even then, Shanny atoned for it by using him to get the pick that ended up with D.J. Williams.

I just had a thought: With the implosions of O'Neal and Griese, I hope that does not portend a similar experience with D.J. this next year. :ugh:

I think I'm becoming paranoid.

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bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 05:42 PM
Damn right! This is awesome! :beer: What were the falcons thinking!?!?

they wanted JA in a big way, time was running out - they HAD to get a higher pick then 31 and the broncos were waiting in the shadows

Broncos724
03-21-2006, 05:42 PM
When was the last time we picked in the top 15?:confused:

I too want to know who they are eyeing at 15. You guys know who I want, DeAngelo Williams. Who do you guys want at #15?I think the Broncos may have even bigger plans than just upgrading to the 15th pick. Perhaps it would now be possible to package their two first rounders for a pick high enough to select Vernon Davis or Haloti Ngata
:cheers: :beer:

Inkana7
03-21-2006, 05:42 PM
DT is a BIG hole!!! maybe bigger then DE for us

for all you college experts - is bunkley worth #15??? would he be a beast along with warren??
From what I hear Bunkley is a bit of a slacker. Frankly, I don't want him.

bcbronc
03-21-2006, 05:45 PM
I think the Broncos may have even bigger plans than just upgrading to the 15th pick. Perhaps it would now be possible to package their two first rounders for a pick high enough to select Vernon Davis or Haloti Ngata
:cheers: :beer:


in another thread someone posted that according to the draft value chart, our two #1's would give us enough points to move up to #4. i dont know if the jets would want to move back, but there is plenty of talk of both green bay and san fran being willing to.

moving up to 5 or 6 would probably get us either davis or ngata.

JRWIZ
03-21-2006, 05:47 PM
this is what the top teams do - SMART MOVES

the skin's can go and spend $$$$$$$$$$ if they want

dallas can take on a ticking timebomb

but shanny just took advantage of the JA messed up triangle and we made out like bandits!!!!!

FINALLY WE CAN BUILD OUR TEAM AND DL/WR AROUND THE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!

We have had that opportnity before and Mikey wastes the picks almost nobody on this team is our draft choice. Outside of LB's, a couple of DB, one WR, part time RB and a bunch of low round O-line men.


Bell, Tatum RB 5' 11" 213 03/02/81 2nd Oklahoma State D2a-'04
Brandon, Sam S 6' 2" 200 07/05/79 4th UNLV D4-'02
Carlisle, Cooper G/T 6' 5" 295 08/11/77 6th Florida D4b-'00
Elam, Jason K 5' 11" 200 03/08/70 13th Hawaii D3b-'93
Ernster, Paul K 6' 0" 217 01/26/82 R Northern Arizona D7-'05
Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 3rd Georgia D1-03
Foxworth, Domonique CB 5' 11" 180 03/27/83 R Maryland D3b-'05
Hamilton, Ben G/C 6' 4" 283 08/18/77 5th Minnesota D4a-'01
Lelie, Ashley WR 6' 3" 200 02/16/80 4th Hawaii D1-02
Miree, Brandon RB 5' 11" 237 04/14/81 2nd Pittsburgh D7b-'04
Myers, Chris G/C 6' 5" 300 09/15/81 R Miami D6-'05
Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 12th Boston College D7c-94
Paymah, Karl CB 6' 0" 200 11/29/82 R Washington State D3a-'05
Pope, Monsanto DT 6' 3" 300 01/27/78 4th Virginia D7b-02
Shoate, Jeff CB 5' 10" 189 03/23/81 2nd San Diego State D5-04
Van Pelt, Bradlee QB 6' 2" 220 07/03/80 1st Colorado State D7-04
Watts, Darius WR 6' 2" 190 12/19/81 2nd Marshall D2b-'04
Williams, Darrent CB 5' 8" 188 09/27/82 R Oklahoma State D2-'05
Williams, D.J. LB 6' 1" 242 07/20/82 2nd Miami D1-'04
Wilson, Al LB 6' 0" 240 06/21/77 7th Tennessee D1-99
Young, Chris S 6' 0" 210 01/23/80 3rd Georgia Tech D7a-'02

These are what is left of Mikeys 93 draft choices on this team except for nalen and elam in red.

How many of the are starters and big contributors.

We need a GM before we waste another shot at the Draft.

RBDynasty
03-21-2006, 05:47 PM
According to Adam Schefter, we gave up a 3rd Round this year and a 4th Round NEXT YEAR!

Someone call the police! Shanahan just robbed the Falcons/Jets!

I never wanted Abraham OR Owens!!!!When I read this I thought the same exact thing. Damn nice trade!

BroncoRT
03-21-2006, 05:48 PM
From what I hear Bunkley is a bit of a slacker. Frankly, I don't want him.

He is an animal and he is the second best DT in the draft to Ngata.

CinnaMunMun
03-21-2006, 05:49 PM
Not sure if this was the best example. Shanny has had plenty of busts, but O'Neal had a really nice sophomore year before he went south.
Even then, Shanny atoned for it by using him to get the pick that ended up with D.J. Williams.

I just had a thought: With the implosions of O'Neal and Griese, I hope that does not portend a similar experience with D.J. this next year. :ugh:

I think I'm becoming paranoid.

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Is it in your old age Top? :laugh:
dont kill me! :eek:

I'm loving this trade though!

MilitantDBFan
03-21-2006, 05:51 PM
Jimmy Williams and Lendale White. Betta Believe It.

What would you give for a Reggie Bush Bar

The|Snake#16
03-21-2006, 05:51 PM
gigitty.....gigitty...gooo.

IonSen88
03-21-2006, 05:52 PM
I just want to thank everyone in Broncos nation as well as their front office for helping us in this stalemate! :beer:

DBfan187
03-21-2006, 05:55 PM
Santanio Holmes

bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 05:56 PM
the falcons must think highly of schaub and maybe not so much of vick as they traded all of this away when all NY wanted was the 2nd AND schaub.

the just went to the falcons MB and alot of them are going MAD about there FO!!!!

btw - out of interest who was the #15 pick in last years draft? i can't remember

bcbronc
03-21-2006, 05:56 PM
We have had that opportnity before and Mikey wastes the picks almost nobody on this team is our draft choice. Outside of LB's, a couple of DB, one WR, part time RB and a bunch of low round O-line men.


Bell, Tatum RB 5' 11" 213 03/02/81 2nd Oklahoma State D2a-'04
900+ yards last season

Brandon, Sam S 6' 2" 200 07/05/79 4th UNLV D4-'02
key part of our big nickel. good depth guy.

Carlisle, Cooper G/T 6' 5" 295 08/11/77 6th Florida D4b-'00
starter

Elam, Jason K 5' 11" 200 03/08/70 13th Hawaii D3b-'93


Ernster, Paul K 6' 0" 217 01/26/82 R Northern Arizona D7-'05
7th rounder. who cares.

Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 3rd Georgia D1-03
starter

Foxworth, Domonique CB 5' 11" 180 03/27/83 R Maryland D3b-'05
starter

Hamilton, Ben G/C 6' 4" 283 08/18/77 5th Minnesota D4a-'01
starter

Lelie, Ashley WR 6' 3" 200 02/16/80 4th Hawaii D1-02
starter. led the league in yards per catch the last two seasons.

Miree, Brandon RB 5' 11" 237 04/14/81 2nd Pittsburgh D7b-'04
Myers, Chris G/C 6' 5" 300 09/15/81 R Miami D6-'05
will definately start some games for the broncos.

Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 12th Boston College D7c-94
Paymah, Karl CB 6' 0" 200 11/29/82 R Washington State D3a-'05
not enough info

Pope, Monsanto DT 6' 3" 300 01/27/78 4th Virginia D7b-02
probably gone

Shoate, Jeff CB 5' 10" 189 03/23/81 2nd San Diego State D5-04
wasnt he injured last season? probably gone.

Van Pelt, Bradlee QB 6' 2" 220 07/03/80 1st Colorado State D7-04
was our #2 qb last season.

Watts, Darius WR 6' 2" 190 12/19/81 2nd Marshall D2b-'04
had 31 catches and 400 yards as a rookie. jury's still out.

Williams, Darrent CB 5' 8" 188 09/27/82 R Oklahoma State D2-'05
starter (i consider a nickel a starter, so he and fox are starters)

Williams, D.J. LB 6' 1" 242 07/20/82 2nd Miami D1-'04
starter. led team in tackles as a rookie.

Wilson, Al LB 6' 0" 240 06/21/77 7th Tennessee D1-99
all-pro

Young, Chris S 6' 0" 210 01/23/80 3rd Georgia Tech D7a-'02
isnt he still in the mix as a possible safety?

These are what is left of Mikeys 93 draft choices on this team except for nalen and elam in red.

How many of the are starters and big contributors.

We need a GM before we waste another shot at the Draft.

it seems most of the guys on this list are either starters, big contributors (bell) or potential starters (myers).

so layoff with the negativity jr. this was a great trade. stop frickin raining on our parade!

:fight:

Bronx84
03-21-2006, 05:58 PM
I like this move it helos all 3 teams out but now we'll have 2 great 1st rounders.

keithbishop
03-21-2006, 05:59 PM
This is great news....and should kill the nonsense about trading out of the 1st rd. entirely. It's a tough call to make if Ngata were available in a trade for both picks.......I don't want to see Shanahan draft a RB in the 1st rd. WR, TE, DE, and DT are much bigger needs.

I3IzOnCoF4n24
03-21-2006, 06:00 PM
ATLANTA -- Sometimes it takes a third party to resolve a stalemate, and that was the case on Tuesday evening as the Atlanta Falcons consummated a much-rumored trade for New York Jets defensive end and designated franchise player John Abraham.

John Abraham
Defensive End
New York Jets

Profile
2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Tot Ast Solo FF Sack Int
58 44 14 6 11 0


To complete the trade, the Falcons enlisted the aid of the Denver Broncos, who, ironically, had once been interested in Abraham themselves.

Atlanta sent its first-round choice, the 15th pick overall in this year's draft, to Denver for the Broncos' first-round choice, No. 29 overall. The Falcons also picked up a pair of middle-round selections, one each in the 2006 and 2007 drafts.

The Falcons then shipped the 29th pick acquired from Denver to the Jets in exchange for Abraham, a three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher who was also being sought by the Seattle Seahawks.

IonSen88
03-21-2006, 06:00 PM
the falcons must think highly of schaub and maybe not so much of vick as they traded all of this away when all NY wanted was the 2nd AND schaub.

the just went to the falcons MB and alot of them are going MAD about there FO!!!!

btw - out of interest who was the #15 pick in last years draft? i can't remember
Well we do think highly of Schaub, but Vick gets injured alot so we need a good backup. If not, we'll just throw our season away. We've won 3 games without Michael in the last 3 years.

Inkana7
03-21-2006, 06:02 PM
Well we do think highly of Schaub, but Vick gets injured alot so we need a good backup. If not, we'll just throw our season away. We've won 3 games without Michael in the last 3 years.
Hello, welcome to the boards.

IonSen88
03-21-2006, 06:03 PM
Hello, welcome to the boards.
Thanks for the welcome. Actually, I've been here before when we played in 2004, but my account got deleted...I guess it's cause I haven't posted in a while! But what do you make of this trade?

BroncosRPH
03-21-2006, 06:06 PM
Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.

ydave77
03-21-2006, 06:06 PM
We have had that opportnity before and Mikey wastes the picks almost nobody on this team is our draft choice. Outside of LB's, a couple of DB, one WR, part time RB and a bunch of low round O-line men.


Bell, Tatum RB 5' 11" 213 03/02/81 2nd Oklahoma State D2a-'04
Brandon, Sam S 6' 2" 200 07/05/79 4th UNLV D4-'02
Carlisle, Cooper G/T 6' 5" 295 08/11/77 6th Florida D4b-'00
Elam, Jason K 5' 11" 200 03/08/70 13th Hawaii D3b-'93
Ernster, Paul K 6' 0" 217 01/26/82 R Northern Arizona D7-'05
Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 3rd Georgia D1-03
Foxworth, Domonique CB 5' 11" 180 03/27/83 R Maryland D3b-'05
Hamilton, Ben G/C 6' 4" 283 08/18/77 5th Minnesota D4a-'01
Lelie, Ashley WR 6' 3" 200 02/16/80 4th Hawaii D1-02
Miree, Brandon RB 5' 11" 237 04/14/81 2nd Pittsburgh D7b-'04
Myers, Chris G/C 6' 5" 300 09/15/81 R Miami D6-'05
Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 12th Boston College D7c-94
Paymah, Karl CB 6' 0" 200 11/29/82 R Washington State D3a-'05
Pope, Monsanto DT 6' 3" 300 01/27/78 4th Virginia D7b-02
Shoate, Jeff CB 5' 10" 189 03/23/81 2nd San Diego State D5-04
Van Pelt, Bradlee QB 6' 2" 220 07/03/80 1st Colorado State D7-04
Watts, Darius WR 6' 2" 190 12/19/81 2nd Marshall D2b-'04
Williams, Darrent CB 5' 8" 188 09/27/82 R Oklahoma State D2-'05
Williams, D.J. LB 6' 1" 242 07/20/82 2nd Miami D1-'04
Wilson, Al LB 6' 0" 240 06/21/77 7th Tennessee D1-99
Young, Chris S 6' 0" 210 01/23/80 3rd Georgia Tech D7a-'02

These are what is left of Mikeys 93 draft choices on this team except for nalen and elam in red.

How many of the are starters and big contributors.

We need a GM before we waste another shot at the Draft.


I dont know about that man. There are what 24 starters? 11 offense + 11 Defense + Kicker + Punter.

I count 11 starters there (if you incluse tater), thats not bad, about half of our starters were drafted by shanny. I am sure there are teams with more drafted starters, but at the same time, thats not too bad for shanny. And as much as you hate him as a GM for drafting, you have to love him when he is trading. Wetook the Redskins 2x, and now killed the falcons in this deal. We gott feel good today. :beer:

BVP
03-21-2006, 06:08 PM
Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.

What QB will be around at #15?

bcbronc
03-21-2006, 06:08 PM
Thanks for the welcome. Actually, I've been here before when we played in 2004, but my account got deleted...I guess it's cause I haven't posted in a while! But what do you make of this trade?


i feel we won this trade. how do you feel?

BroncosRPH
03-21-2006, 06:11 PM
What QB will be around at #15?


I don't have the slightest, unless we are going to package both #1's for the #3 or #4 overall and try and get Cutler from Vandy.

BroncoStampede
03-21-2006, 06:12 PM
What QB will be around at #15?

Jay Cutler???

BVP
03-21-2006, 06:18 PM
I don't have the slightest, unless we are going to package both #1's for the #3 or #4 overall and try and get Cutler from Vandy.

This is the only thing we could do.

bronx_2003
03-21-2006, 06:20 PM
a QB would be a LUXURY pick.....that needs to be addressed in the next few years but THIS YEAR we have more pressing needs -

TE
WR
DE
DT

IonSen88
03-21-2006, 06:23 PM
i feel we won this trade. how do you feel?
I think we all won. We got a defensive lineman that will do tremendous things for us on the field that will have a domino affect on our defense, as well as our team. Coleman, Kerney, Lavalais, and Abraham will make a very good line. Pressure on about every play so our pro bowl CB can take advantage of it and intercept, intercept, intercept. The Jets got the pick they kept whining over. And the Bronocos got an even better pick for something of lesser value.

bcbronc
03-21-2006, 06:27 PM
I think we all won. We got a defensive lineman that will do tremendous things for us on the field that will have a domino affect on our defense, as well as our team. Coleman, Kerney, Lavalais, and Abraham will make a very good line. Pressure on about every play so our pro bowl CB can take advantage of it and intercept, intercept, intercept. The Jets got the pick they kept whining over. And the Bronocos got an even better pick for something of lesser value.


we cant ALL have won. ;)


but you guys obviously got the best player in the deal. and we got the highest draft pick. so lets call the jets the losers. :cheers:

BVP
03-21-2006, 06:30 PM
we cant ALL have won. ;)


but you guys obviously got the best player in the deal. and we got the highest draft pick. so lets call the jets the losers. :cheers:

Now lets hope that the 4th and the 29th pick don't work out, than they will defenitly be losers. :beer:

TXBRONC
03-21-2006, 06:30 PM
2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California


He was a reach and Mikey will reach again.

Jr if I remember correctly O'Neal was slotted at about 15 so that would not make him a reach.

IonSen88
03-21-2006, 06:30 PM
we cant ALL have won. ;)


but you guys obviously got the best player in the deal. and we got the highest draft pick. so lets call the jets the losers. :cheers:
Haha, an interesting view.... :beer:

BVP
03-21-2006, 06:31 PM
I think we all won. We got a defensive lineman that will do tremendous things for us on the field that will have a domino affect on our defense, as well as our team. Coleman, Kerney, Lavalais, and Abraham will make a very good line. Pressure on about every play so our pro bowl CB can take advantage of it and intercept, intercept, intercept. The Jets got the pick they kept whining over. And the Bronocos got an even better pick for something of lesser value.

But as a Falcons fan, are you mad that your team doesn't have their mid 1st round pick?

Bronco T
03-21-2006, 06:32 PM
shanny will make the call to kubiak to get the #1. kubiak doesnt need it, he could use the 2 1st rounders..... :D

TXBRONC
03-21-2006, 06:32 PM
This is great news....and should kill the nonsense about trading out of the 1st rd. entirely. It's a tough call to make if Ngata were available in a trade for both picks.......I don't want to see Shanahan draft a RB in the 1st rd. WR, TE, DE, and DT are much bigger needs.


Excatly it kills the thoughts of some that Denver doesn't have the money to pay our draft picks.

BVP
03-21-2006, 06:35 PM
Excatly it kills the thoughts of some that Denver doesn't have the money to pay our draft picks.

We must have enough money, otherwise Shanny wouldn't have made the trade.

Freestyle
03-21-2006, 06:38 PM
I think we all won. We got a defensive lineman that will do tremendous things for us on the field that will have a domino affect on our defense, as well as our team. Coleman, Kerney, Lavalais, and Abraham will make a very good line. Pressure on about every play so our pro bowl CB can take advantage of it and intercept, intercept, intercept. The Jets got the pick they kept whining over. And the Bronocos got an even better pick for something of lesser value.
I think it is a win for everyone.

Falcons got the guy they wanted AND 2 mid round picks...

Denver Moves up 14 slots in the draft...

The Jets get a pick thats better than the one that they would have gotten from Seattle.

Kudos to Shanny for stepping in and getting this thing done.

PurdueBronc
03-21-2006, 06:40 PM
Has Shanahan ever picked a RB in the first round? Don't get me wrong, it would be hard to pass up Williams or White, but the team needs to focus on D and receivers. I would not at all be surprised if Shanny made a draft day trade if the right DT like Ngata were available, or secure a franchise quality TE in Davis. But any move Shanny makes will be fine with me. He knows what he's doing.

IonSen88
03-21-2006, 06:41 PM
But as a Falcons fan, are you mad that your team doesn't have their mid 1st round pick?
No. Not really....I would've rather we kept it, but it can't be helped. We were going to select a safety or corner back, so I think we're fine with Milloy and Crocker/Scott for this season. Great pressure (like we had in 2004 when we led the NFL in sacks) will make even the most average DBs look much better. We were looking at Huff(if he fell to us) and Jimmy Williams. We'll be fine as long as D. Hall plays like he did this past season.

evolaerok
03-21-2006, 06:42 PM
Here's to LenDale White and a force on the DE. With the 2nd round pick I'm sure we can nab one of a slew of great TE!

Etho
03-21-2006, 06:42 PM
Just read the post about us possibly getting a QB with the #15 pick. Is a Safety out of question you think for the 15th draft pick? Haven't really checked out any mock drafts, but just out of curiousity at what pick do they expect Michael Huff to go in?

IonSen88
03-21-2006, 06:45 PM
I think it is a win for everyone.

Falcons got the guy they wanted AND 2 mid round picks...

Denver Moves up 14 slots in the draft...

The Jets get a pick thats better than the one that they would have gotten from Seattle.

Kudos to Shanny for stepping in and getting this thing done.
Yeah. We really appreicate it. :D Thanks for the convo, our board isn't crashed anymore, so i'm gonna' go chat :duh: ....It's been awesome! Maybe we'll meet again in Miami..... :beer:

BVP
03-21-2006, 06:46 PM
I think Huff could be a possibility, but the safties in the 2nd round aren't bad, so I wouldn't mind waiting until the 2nd round, and then picking up Patrick Watkins from Florida State. Or, maybe even waiting untill the 6th or 7th and picking up Dwayne Slay from Texas Tech.

bcbronc
03-21-2006, 06:47 PM
No. Not really....I would've rather we kept it, but it can't be helped. We were going to select a safety or corner back, so I think we're fine with Milloy and Crocker/Scott for this season. Great pressure (like we had in 2004 when we led the NFL in sacks) will make even the most average DBs look much better. We were looking at Huff(if he fell to us) and Jimmy Williams. We'll be fine as long as D. Hall plays like he did this past season.


a little off topic, but we dont have many falcons fans on here.

whats your take on your FO not being willing to move schaub? would you have rather moved your #2 and schaub for abe, or do you prefer this deal?

Dean
03-21-2006, 06:50 PM
Mike Shanahan the GM has to be one of, if not the best trader in the NFL.

With the talent in this draft, the Broncos have the opportunity to solidify the team with two exceptional draft choices. There should even be above average talent left at our round 2 pick. This year's #15 pick might well have the talent that a first ten pick would have during an average draft year.

This trade sure makes this draft look appealing. If the Broncos front office drafts as well as they did last year, watch out! Now, who are the Broncos after???

AdamantiumBronco
03-21-2006, 06:51 PM
lendale time!!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

TXBRONC
03-21-2006, 06:52 PM
We have had that opportnity before and Mikey wastes the picks almost nobody on this team is our draft choice. Outside of LB's, a couple of DB, one WR, part time RB and a bunch of low round O-line men.


Bell, Tatum RB 5' 11" 213 03/02/81 2nd Oklahoma State D2a-'04
Brandon, Sam S 6' 2" 200 07/05/79 4th UNLV D4-'02
Carlisle, Cooper G/T 6' 5" 295 08/11/77 6th Florida D4b-'00
Elam, Jason K 5' 11" 200 03/08/70 13th Hawaii D3b-'93
Ernster, Paul K 6' 0" 217 01/26/82 R Northern Arizona D7-'05
Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 3rd Georgia D1-03
Foxworth, Domonique CB 5' 11" 180 03/27/83 R Maryland D3b-'05
Hamilton, Ben G/C 6' 4" 283 08/18/77 5th Minnesota D4a-'01
Lelie, Ashley WR 6' 3" 200 02/16/80 4th Hawaii D1-02
Miree, Brandon RB 5' 11" 237 04/14/81 2nd Pittsburgh D7b-'04
Myers, Chris G/C 6' 5" 300 09/15/81 R Miami D6-'05
Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 12th Boston College D7c-94
Paymah, Karl CB 6' 0" 200 11/29/82 R Washington State D3a-'05
Pope, Monsanto DT 6' 3" 300 01/27/78 4th Virginia D7b-02
Shoate, Jeff CB 5' 10" 189 03/23/81 2nd San Diego State D5-04
Van Pelt, Bradlee QB 6' 2" 220 07/03/80 1st Colorado State D7-04
Watts, Darius WR 6' 2" 190 12/19/81 2nd Marshall D2b-'04
Williams, Darrent CB 5' 8" 188 09/27/82 R Oklahoma State D2-'05
Williams, D.J. LB 6' 1" 242 07/20/82 2nd Miami D1-'04
Wilson, Al LB 6' 0" 240 06/21/77 7th Tennessee D1-99
Young, Chris S 6' 0" 210 01/23/80 3rd Georgia Tech D7a-'02

These are what is left of Mikeys 93 draft choices on this team except for nalen and elam in red.

How many of the are starters and big contributors.

We need a GM before we waste another shot at the Draft.

Nalen-starter

Hamilton-starter

Foster-starter

Carlisle-starter

Lelie-starter

Rod Smith-starter

Bell-contributor

Wilson-starter

D.J. Williams-starter

Ian Gold-starter

DWill-starter

Foxworth-starter(part-time and nickleback)

Sam Brandon-major contributor

Elam-starter

TE, starting safties and defensive line are the only positions not manned by orignial draft picks. Btw you forgot Ian Gold he was an orignially picked by Shanahan. There is only a total of 22 starting positions on offense and defense. Accept for Nalen who came to us rookie free agency the rest of the linemen are Shanahan's draft picks. So on offense the Qb, the starting TE, and the Full Back were not originally picked by Shanahan/ brought in via rookie free agency.

Accept for the defensive line and the safties the rest of defense are all pick ups by Shanahan. Out of list you provided only three do not start full time.

I put Gold and Smith because they came to Denver as a draft pick and rookie free agent respectively.

BroncoFanCam
03-21-2006, 06:52 PM
wow! great job by the broncos, imo. moving up to the 15th for the 29th, a 3rd this year and a 4th next. nice deal.

sure opens up a lot of possibilities. we could move up into the top 10 (anyone have the draft pick value chart handy? where would are two #1's put us?). that could give us a shot at davis or ngata. i would also love to get huff. lynch and huff starting in the secondary would be pretty okay.

this gets a woot-woot out of me.

I agree!!!! :beer: moving up 14 spots for a 3rd this year, and a 4th next... that is highway robery people!!!!!!

As I said in another thread....

YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWWWW!!!!!

KnightOLB53
03-21-2006, 07:02 PM
Hip HIp Hooray!!!!! :beer:

a 15 and 22 that is awesome. We better get some good guys. That 3rd we gave this year i bet we will get one from the compensary. This is great news.

Soulbender
03-21-2006, 07:04 PM
Don't anyone take this personally but YOU GUYS KILL ME!!!! ALL I'VE HEARD since the FA period bgan is how BAD the coach and front office have done. ONE TRADE LATER in which we did not receive any one player in particular , all of you guys are talking how GREAT Shanny is and how SMART the Broncos FO is.
I for one NEVER said anything bad about Denver's lack of activity in the JA , TO and JL sweepstakes , just knowing that OUR COACH knows what he is doing. Looks like Mike proved me right !!!!!

MileHighMagic07
03-21-2006, 07:05 PM
take a qb and automatically solve all our problems at all the other positions

:coffee:

bleedbluorange
03-21-2006, 07:12 PM
I just found out. This is great news. I dont think we can go wrong. But I hope we somehow get Vernon Davis, Michael Huff, or Ngota.

BroncoFanCam
03-21-2006, 07:13 PM
Don't anyone take this personally but YOU GUYS KILL ME!!!! ALL I'VE HEARD since the FA period bgan is how BAD the coach and front office have done. ONE TRADE LATER in which we did not receive any one player in particular , all of you guys are talking how GREAT Shanny is and how SMART the Broncos FO is.
I for one NEVER said anything bad about Denver's lack of activity in the JA , TO and JL sweepstakes , just knowing that OUR COACH knows what he is doing. Looks like Mike proved me right !!!!!

Maybe you shouldn't group everyone together that way. I for one (and quite a few others) have been lobbying for the people you are ACTUALLY talking about, to STHU for weeks.

My only concern has been when there was this disgusting rumor about trading out of the 1st all-tgether, for next year's draft. Then I had questions, but that was obviously false, thanks to recent events.

Everyone has NOT been ragging the F/O... but quite a few have.

bleedbluorange
03-21-2006, 07:17 PM
Maybe you shouldn't group everyone together that way. I for one (and quite a few others) have been lobbying for the people you are ACTUALLY talking about, to STHU for weeks.

My only concern has been when there was this disgusting rumor about trading out of the 1st all-tgether, for next year's draft. Then I had questions, but that was obviously false, thanks to recent events.

Everyone has NOT been ragging the F/O... but quite a few have.
It has been hard watching teams make moves for many of us. I have confidence in the front office and the coaching staff. But everyone knows Shanny can and will reach on draft day. I hope he doesnt this time around.

Soulbender
03-21-2006, 07:27 PM
Maybe you shouldn't group everyone together that way. I for one (and quite a few others) have been lobbying for the people you are ACTUALLY talking about, to STHU for weeks.

My only concern has been when there was this disgusting rumor about trading out of the 1st all-tgether, for next year's draft. Then I had questions, but that was obviously false, thanks to recent events.

Everyone has NOT been ragging the F/O... but quite a few have.


O.K. so maybe not ALL of you guys but you know who you are. There has been alot of smack talk about the Broncos/Shanny /and the Front Office. Now look how happy the naysayers are.

cadencesdad
03-21-2006, 07:29 PM
I wonder how many people celebrating our new #15 pick and saying Shanny robbed em', and Shanny is a genius were not 24hrs ago saying Shanny sucks, Shanny hasn't done anything, Shanny is selling our two first rounders because they can't even afford to sign em'. :confused:

CasualFan
03-21-2006, 07:29 PM
Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.

Does anybody suspect this is really a tricky way for Shanahan to put out feelers for a trade with some team even higher in the first round than #15? That's the only realistic way to guarantee yourself a top QB. Though I seriously doubt that's actually what Shanahan is after.

Soulbender
03-21-2006, 07:31 PM
I wonder how many people celebrating our new #15 pick and saying Shanny robbed em', and Shanny is a genius were not 24hrs ago saying Shanny sucks, Shanny hasn't done anything, Shanny is selling our two first rounders because they can't even afford to sign em'. :confused:


EXACTLY !!!!!

BroncoFanCam
03-21-2006, 07:31 PM
We have had that opportnity before and Mikey wastes the picks almost nobody on this team is our draft choice. Outside of LB's, a couple of DB, one WR, part time RB and a bunch of low round O-line men.


Bell, Tatum RB 5' 11" 213 03/02/81 2nd Oklahoma State D2a-'04
Brandon, Sam S 6' 2" 200 07/05/79 4th UNLV D4-'02
Carlisle, Cooper G/T 6' 5" 295 08/11/77 6th Florida D4b-'00
Elam, Jason K 5' 11" 200 03/08/70 13th Hawaii D3b-'93
Ernster, Paul K 6' 0" 217 01/26/82 R Northern Arizona D7-'05
Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 3rd Georgia D1-03
Foxworth, Domonique CB 5' 11" 180 03/27/83 R Maryland D3b-'05
Hamilton, Ben G/C 6' 4" 283 08/18/77 5th Minnesota D4a-'01
Lelie, Ashley WR 6' 3" 200 02/16/80 4th Hawaii D1-02
Miree, Brandon RB 5' 11" 237 04/14/81 2nd Pittsburgh D7b-'04
Myers, Chris G/C 6' 5" 300 09/15/81 R Miami D6-'05
Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 12th Boston College D7c-94
Paymah, Karl CB 6' 0" 200 11/29/82 R Washington State D3a-'05
Pope, Monsanto DT 6' 3" 300 01/27/78 4th Virginia D7b-02
Shoate, Jeff CB 5' 10" 189 03/23/81 2nd San Diego State D5-04
Van Pelt, Bradlee QB 6' 2" 220 07/03/80 1st Colorado State D7-04
Watts, Darius WR 6' 2" 190 12/19/81 2nd Marshall D2b-'04
Williams, Darrent CB 5' 8" 188 09/27/82 R Oklahoma State D2-'05
Williams, D.J. LB 6' 1" 242 07/20/82 2nd Miami D1-'04
Wilson, Al LB 6' 0" 240 06/21/77 7th Tennessee D1-99
Young, Chris S 6' 0" 210 01/23/80 3rd Georgia Tech D7a-'02

These are what is left of Mikeys 93 draft choices on this team except for nalen and elam in red.

How many of the are starters and big contributors.

We need a GM before we waste another shot at the Draft.

Did someone slap you with the stupid stick this morning?

How could you NOT mention Al Wilson... and All of the ones in Blue are solid contributers... had Foxy and Darrent not played the way the did last year we would have been deep in the dookie...

C'mon man!

(And I am NOT Tater's bigghest fan, but he had almost 1,000yds sharing the ball... not half bad, even if "anyone could do it")

Fat Joe
03-21-2006, 07:33 PM
aaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww yeaaaaaaaaaaaa baby. I like it.

BroncoWY
03-21-2006, 07:34 PM
To answer an early question the earliest Shanny ever took a rb with the broncos was clinton portis then he broke that with tatum bell so no he never took a rb in the first round if we get any 2 of these players ill be one happy man huff davis d.williams lendale Kinwanika culter holmes jackson Any two and i can be one happy man!!

TXBRONC
03-21-2006, 07:34 PM
Does anybody suspect this is really a tricky way for Shanahan to put out feelers for a trade with some team even higher in the first round than #15? That's the only realistic way to guarantee yourself a top QB. Though I seriously doubt that's actually what Shanahan is after.

I don't think Shanahan is looking at qb.

bleedbluorange
03-21-2006, 07:34 PM
I wonder how many people celebrating our new #15 pick and saying Shanny robbed em', and Shanny is a genius were not 24hrs ago saying Shanny sucks, Shanny hasn't done anything, Shanny is selling our two first rounders because they can't even afford to sign em'. :confused:I'm not one of the ppl you speak of but what difference does it make? Shanny is selling the picks cuz we cant afford is crazy though.

bleedbluorange
03-21-2006, 07:36 PM
To answer an early question the earliest Shanny ever took a rb with the broncos was clinton portis then he broke that with tatum bell so no he never took a rb in the first round if we get any 2 of these players ill be one happy man huff davis d.williams lendale Kinwanika culter holmes jackson Any two and i can be one happy man!!I dont care for Holmes but everyone else would be a great pick.

Gyro
03-21-2006, 07:37 PM
Wow, just popped on the boards and saw this, this is some great news!! :beer:

EMCF
03-21-2006, 07:39 PM
Fall Vernon Davis, fall!

ChampsTheMan24
03-21-2006, 07:43 PM
2 words: Micheal Huff :D

Fl_playa101
03-21-2006, 07:47 PM
2 words: Micheal Huff :D

QFT my fellow poster QFT

BroncoFanCam
03-21-2006, 07:50 PM
O.K. so maybe not ALL of you guys but you know who you are. There has been alot of smack talk about the Broncos/Shanny /and the Front Office. Now look how happy the naysayers are.

I know what you mean, that's why I want to separate myself from them :D

JkThSnake #16
03-21-2006, 08:05 PM
To answer an early question the earliest Shanny ever took a rb with the broncos was clinton portis then he broke that with tatum bell so no he never took a rb in the first round if we get any 2 of these players ill be one happy man huff davis d.williams lendale Kinwanika culter holmes jackson Any two and i can be one happy man!!


wrong answer Bell was highest RB shanny has taken :coffee:

broncos4ever
03-21-2006, 08:06 PM
Just got home from work... Great News. I am sure Shanahan will not be only the one making picks, Sundquist and others will have a lot of say. We all know we need a DE, WR, TE. We should be able to get a two pretty good players with 15 and 22.

The article that started this post said the league had to agree to this trade. Has this been approved? I am assuming it is with all this chatter...

dogfish
03-21-2006, 09:03 PM
damn, why am i just not as happy about this as i should be? there should be some serious legitimate prospects available at #15, on the surface this looks like a really sound move-- so why is it freakin' me out?

i just can't seem to contain this squirmy feeling in my stomach-- i hate to even identify it, but here goes. . . i am worried about who we may be targeting. maybe this is wrong. it is just as possible that we aren't neccesarily targeting anyone in particular, but were offered a deal too sweet to pass up-- but if we are targeting someone in particular, i have this horrible feeling that it's someone i won't want to see us pick. . . namely, santonio holmes or chad jackson! arrgghhhh!!!!! i will be ill if we take either of them. . . and i must say i'm a lot less excited about lendale white than the rest of the board, which is enraptured with the dude. . .

and i really hope the rumor about us looking at a QB in the 1st is not true. . . because we would have to trade up again to even think about getting young or cutler, and there certainly isn't any other QB worth a 1st. . . maybe we're hoping young or cutler will slide after teams like new orleans, new york and detroit added veteran QBs-- but if they do slide, someone else may look to move up as well, like minnesota. . . i love vince young, but realistically it's not worth what we would have to give up to get him. . . and i just have this feeling about cutler. don't ask me to rationalize it or defend it logically, because i can't-- just a pure gut feeling here, and i know it flies in the face of conventional wisdom-- but i don't see him being the great prospect he's billed to be, and i'll be really disappointed if we trade up again to draft him.

i really like deangelo williams a lot, but i think #15 is a little high for him, especially considering our current crop of RBs and our proven success with average backs. . . if we add a DE at 15 and end up with maroney, or preferably williams, at 22, i won't be unhappy with that-- but i'll be less than pleased if we add any RB at #15.

ditto for kiwi-- i like him a lot at #22, but 15 seems high for him as well-- maybe i'm over-analyzing, but i can't help seeing it in these terms. vernon davis, huff, or ngata i would love at 15, but i'll be a little surprised if any of them are still on the board, and i'd be disappointed to see us give up any more picks to target one of those three, unless it's a low round pick to move up a spot or two. . . the only player who i see as being worth another serious trade up is mario williams, and i don't know if i'd be happy to give up both of our 1sts even for him. . .

this is my dilemna about the #15 spot-- it's tantalizingly close to those top-ten, "can't miss" prospects, but still probably a little out of reach when the dust settles. . . we'll be drooling over elite talents, while we're still really in the "look but don't touch" range. . . 15 just sounds like a spot where we could reach for a guy like holmes. the one guy i really like that this makes more possible is manny lawson-- most draft publications still seem to have him rated around the bottom of the 1st round, but i think that's BS. a 6'4" DE/OLB who runs in the 4.4s and has room to bulk up without losing much quickness? no way he lasts 20 picks. . .

anyways, there's my .02, if it's even worth that. . . i hope i'm just feeling the paranoia from prior drafts, and that we really make a splash with #15. it's the highest we've drafted in years, and in a deep draft should offer us the chance to take an elite player-- i hope it actually works out that way!

Snk16
03-21-2006, 09:26 PM
Just got home from work... Great News. I am sure Shanahan will not be only the one making picks, Sundquist and others will have a lot of say. We all know we need a DE, WR, TE. We should be able to get a two pretty good players with 15 and 22.

The article that started this post said the league had to agree to this trade. Has this been approved? I am assuming it is with all this chatter...

Yeah, it is...:beer:

BroncoFanCam
03-21-2006, 10:04 PM
damn, why am i just not as happy about this as i should be? there should be some serious legitimate prospects available at #15, on the surface this looks like a really sound move-- so why is it freakin' me out?

i just can't seem to contain this squirmy feeling in my stomach-- i hate to even identify it, but here goes. . . i am worried about who we may be targeting. maybe this is wrong. it is just as possible that we aren't neccesarily targeting anyone in particular, but were offered a deal too sweet to pass up-- but if we are targeting someone in particular, i have this horrible feeling that it's someone i won't want to see us pick. . . namely, santonio holmes or chad jackson! arrgghhhh!!!!! i will be ill if we take either of them. . . and i must say i'm a lot less excited about lendale white than the rest of the board, which is enraptured with the dude. . .

and i really hope the rumor about us looking at a QB in the 1st is not true. . . because we would have to trade up again to even think about getting young or cutler, and there certainly isn't any other QB worth a 1st. . . maybe we're hoping young or cutler will slide after teams like new orleans, new york and detroit added veteran QBs-- but if they do slide, someone else may look to move up as well, like minnesota. . . i love vince young, but realistically it's not worth what we would have to give up to get him. . . and i just have this feeling about cutler. don't ask me to rationalize it or defend it logically, because i can't-- just a pure gut feeling here, and i know it flies in the face of conventional wisdom-- but i don't see him being the great prospect he's billed to be, and i'll be really disappointed if we trade up again to draft him.

i really like deangelo williams a lot, but i think #15 is a little high for him, especially considering our current crop of RBs and our proven success with average backs. . . if we add a DE at 15 and end up with maroney, or preferably williams, at 22, i won't be unhappy with that-- but i'll be less than pleased if we add any RB at #15.

ditto for kiwi-- i like him a lot at #22, but 15 seems high for him as well-- maybe i'm over-analyzing, but i can't help seeing it in these terms. vernon davis, huff, or ngata i would love at 15, but i'll be a little surprised if any of them are still on the board, and i'd be disappointed to see us give up any more picks to target one of those three, unless it's a low round pick to move up a spot or two. . . the only player who i see as being worth another serious trade up is mario williams, and i don't know if i'd be happy to give up both of our 1sts even for him. . .

this is my dilemna about the #15 spot-- it's tantalizingly close to those top-ten, "can't miss" prospects, but still probably a little out of reach when the dust settles. . . we'll be drooling over elite talents, while we're still really in the "look but don't touch" range. . . 15 just sounds like a spot where we could reach for a guy like holmes. the one guy i really like that this makes more possible is manny lawson-- most draft publications still seem to have him rated around the bottom of the 1st round, but i think that's BS. a 6'4" DE/OLB who runs in the 4.4s and has room to bulk up without losing much quickness? no way he lasts 20 picks. . .

anyways, there's my .02, if it's even worth that. . . i hope i'm just feeling the paranoia from prior drafts, and that we really make a splash with #15. it's the highest we've drafted in years, and in a deep draft should offer us the chance to take an elite player-- i hope it actually works out that way!

Maybe they are thinking...

Package 15 with a player or two, maybe a 3 or a 4, and move into the Ngata, Huff, Vernon Davis range? I would be shooting for Detroit at #9.

Keep the #22 and still go after at Kiwi, Lawson, or Tapp.

But that's just me :D

dogfish
03-21-2006, 10:21 PM
Maybe they are thinking...

Package 15 with a player or two, maybe a 3 or a 4, and move into the Ngata, Huff, Vernon Davis range? I would be shooting for Detroit at #9.

Keep the #22 and still go after at Kiwi, Lawson, or Tapp.

But that's just me :D

honestly BFC, i've read your posts and you seem like a sensible dude-- sad to say, but i might trust you more than shanny on draft day. . . :D

ok people, i'm obviously kidding here, so don't anyone kill me. . . .

truly though, now that we have a higher pick, i'm even more opposed to the idea of packaging both 1sts to move up-- no sense worrying about that anyways, it's not gonna happen no matter how much people on the boards want mario or whoever. . . but i bet we'll see a few more reggie bush threads between now and draft day. . . :laugh:

my basic feelings about the draft haven't changed-- i still think a top pass rushing DE is our highest priority, and i'm still scared of all the top WR prospects, which is why i flinch thinking we may have just come a step closer to them. . . unlike the rest of the board, i don't lust after vernon davis like he's salma hayek, although he would definitely look good in blue and orange. . . if we could give up a lower round pick to move up 2-3 spots for him or huff, i would be all about it. . . but i'm personally almost convinced that shanny will go after a WR if one is there, and just as certain we'll be talking about holmes or jackson exactly the way we do lelie if it happens. . . so here's hoping shanny does exactly what he always does-- something i don't expect at all!! LOL!!

rcsodak
03-21-2006, 10:30 PM
I wonder how many people celebrating our new #15 pick and saying Shanny robbed em', and Shanny is a genius were not 24hrs ago saying Shanny sucks, Shanny hasn't done anything, Shanny is selling our two first rounders because they can't even afford to sign em'. :confused:
I'm sure somebody with some spare time could probably clip some "quotes" and make a nice thread of it...... :coffee:

rcsodak
03-21-2006, 10:33 PM
wrong answer Bell was highest RB shanny has taken :coffee:
reading 101....... :rolleyes:

was clinton portis then he broke that with tatum bell

WABronco
03-21-2006, 10:36 PM
I'm sure somebody with some spare time could probably clip some "quotes" and make a nice thread of it...... :coffee:

No doubt. I was gettin' tired of it. Seemed like some were devoting whole parts of their day to typing up a nice, big ol' Shanny basher...

Don't criticize the man for something he hasn't done. And, don't take the word of Bill Williamson as the undeniable truth either...

Blitz222
03-21-2006, 10:48 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5433076


Disgruntled defensive end John Abraham may finally have been traded to the team he was hoping, albeit not in the trade route that was expected.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Falcons, Broncos and Jets swung a three-way trade Tuesday in order to make the deal happen that would get Abraham to the Falcons. The deal is also still be reviewed by the league office and all parties are waiting for approval.
If the trade is approved, then the Falcons have traded their first-round pick (No. 15 overall) to the Broncos, which traded their first-rounder (No. 29) and two additional picks to Atlanta. The Falcons then send the 29th pick of the draft to the Jets for Abraham. The Jets thus receive a draft pick two slots higher in the first round than the Seahawks were able to offer.

Abraham also told FOXSports.com several days ago that he had agreed to the financial parameters of a deal with the Falcons and insisted that was the primary team he wanted to play for.

Abraham also talked glowingly about the opportunity to play on a defense with the likes of fellow Pro Bowl defensive end Patrick Kerney as well as Pro Bowler players Keith Booking, DeAngelo Hall and Rod Coleman. Abraham also balked at the idea of moving to the Northwest to play in Seattle.

All three teams must get league approval before the trade becomes validated

I dont understand. What do we truly gain? All i can see is shanny moving up to grab a running back in the first round. Something we seem to waste picks doing every year. While we still have no pass rusher.
Now if we got schaub in the deal. i would be estatic about the move. I am not diappointed but we will see what they get with the picks.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
03-21-2006, 11:10 PM
It's a solid trade if we are interested in a"

RB, WR, TE, or D-lineman.



This is a very very deep draft. A 3rd round pick in this draft is quite similar to an early 2nd in most drafts talent wise. The 4th round next year is ok. 4th round picks are always nice because you draft on the 2nd day and can reevaluate the top players left.



I think all teams win in this scenario as long as the Broncos make a selection at 15 we could not have made at 22 nor 29. We'll see.

emac87
03-21-2006, 11:20 PM
I don't have the source for this cause I read it while at work, but some analyst/reporter suggested we might use the 15 pick on a QB. Now that would be the biggest waste of a first round pick (unless you're drafting top 5). Not sure if it was from NFL.COM or ESPN.COM or KFFL.COM. Can't remember. Not sure if this was already posted in this thread or not

JRWIZ
03-22-2006, 02:41 AM
Nalen-starter

Hamilton-starter

Foster-starter

Carlisle-starter

Lelie-starter

Rod Smith-starter

Bell-contributor

Wilson-starter

D.J. Williams-starter

Ian Gold-starter

DWill-starter

Foxworth-starter(part-time and nickleback)

Sam Brandon-major contributor

Elam-starter

TE, starting safties and defensive line are the only positions not manned by orignial draft picks. Btw you forgot Ian Gold he was an orignially picked by Shanahan. There is only a total of 22 starting positions on offense and defense. Accept for Nalen who came to us rookie free agency the rest of the linemen are Shanahan's draft picks. So on offense the Qb, the starting TE, and the Full Back were not originally picked by Shanahan/ brought in via rookie free agency.

Accept for the defensive line and the safties the rest of defense are all pick ups by Shanahan. Out of list you provided only three do not start full time.

I put Gold and Smith because they came to Denver as a draft pick and rookie free agent respectively.


Lets look at it, elam and Nalen were both already here. Mikey had nothing to do with them.

Hamilton D4a-'01 Fourth rounder.
Carlisle D4b-'00 Fourth rounder
Bell D2a-'04 part timer not a first rounder
Brandon D4-'02 part timer not a first rounder
Foxworth D3b-'05 part timer not a first rounder
Williams D2-'05 part timer not a first rounder not even drafted for CB

Watts D2b-'04 complete waste so far.

Here are our 1st picks

Lelie D1-02 while a starter a marginal pick at best
Foster, D1-03 while a starter a marginal pick at best
Williams D1-'04 while a starter playing out of position
Wilson D1-99 great pick.

Then we have oneal, nash, middlebroken. All three reaches at best 2nd or maybe even 3rd rounders.

A great pick in mobley and price until one got hurt and the other lazy.

So with our ten number pick we got 4 current starters and two other ones that started but did not live up to there status. Two of the current starters foster and ashley should have been later picks as they are IMHO nothing to write home about.

That my friend really leaves 1 great starter and another one that is playing out of position out of 10 choices lets make it 3 if you want to add gold back in. All three LB's!

Outside of LB's mikey sucks at making good decisions at DAFTING in the first and even the second rounds.

After that it seems like he take the best available athlete in the positions we need help in.

Since we don't draft typical O-linemen, he has been pretty good at picking up bargains late in the draft. Personnaly I think most of those choices were Gibbs decisions.

Jaws
03-22-2006, 02:47 AM
Lets look at it, elam and Nalen were both already here. Mikey had nothing to do with them.

Hamilton D4a-'01 Fourth rounder.
Carlisle D4b-'00 Fourth rounder
Bell D2a-'04 part timer not a first rounder
Brandon D4-'02 part timer not a first rounder
Foxworth D3b-'05 part timer not a first rounder
Williams D2-'05 part timer not a first rounder not even drafted for CB

Watts D2b-'04 complete waste so far.

Here are our 1st picks

Lelie D1-02 while a starter a marginal pick at best
Foster, D1-03 while a starter a marginal pick at best
Williams D1-'04 while a starter playing out of position
Wilson D1-99 great pick.

Then we have oneal, nash, middlebroken. All three reaches at best 2nd or maybe even 3rd rounders.

A great pick in mobley and price until one got hurt and the other lazy.

So with our ten number pick we got 4 current starters and two other ones that started but did not live up to there status. Two of the current starters foster and ashley should have been later picks as they are IMHO nothing to write home about.

That my friend really leaves 1 great starter and another one that is playing out of position out of 10 choices lets make it 3 if you want to add gold back in. All three LB's!

Outside of LB's mikey sucks at making good decisions at DAFTING in the first and even the second rounds.

After that it seems like he take the best available athlete in the positions we need help in.

Since we don't draft typical O-linemen, he has been pretty good at picking up bargains late in the draft. Personnaly I think most of those choices were Gibbs decisions.

Now we have an assistant head coach in Mike Heimerdinger, will he have any input at all in who we draft or does it rest solely on Shanny's shoulders?

BroncoFanCam
03-22-2006, 03:05 AM
honestly BFC, i've read your posts and you seem like a sensible dude-- sad to say, but i might trust you more than shanny on draft day. . . :D

ok people, i'm obviously kidding here, so don't anyone kill me. . . .

truly though, now that we have a higher pick, i'm even more opposed to the idea of packaging both 1sts to move up-- no sense worrying about that anyways, it's not gonna happen no matter how much people on the boards want mario or whoever. . . but i bet we'll see a few more reggie bush threads between now and draft day. . . :laugh:

my basic feelings about the draft haven't changed-- i still think a top pass rushing DE is our highest priority, and i'm still scared of all the top WR prospects, which is why i flinch thinking we may have just come a step closer to them. . . unlike the rest of the board, i don't lust after vernon davis like he's salma hayek, although he would definitely look good in blue and orange. . . if we could give up a lower round pick to move up 2-3 spots for him or huff, i would be all about it. . . but i'm personally almost convinced that shanny will go after a WR if one is there, and just as certain we'll be talking about holmes or jackson exactly the way we do lelie if it happens. . . so here's hoping shanny does exactly what he always does-- something i don't expect at all!! LOL!!

I REALLY hope you are wrong about the WR idea... I think I would break my computer, if I heard that...

dogfish
03-22-2006, 03:44 AM
I REALLY hope you are wrong about the WR idea... I think I would break my computer, if I heard that...



maybe you should watch the draft from safe range, say a bar or someplace equally removed from your home. . . i'm gonna watch it at a friends house.

:laugh:

UberBroncoMan
03-22-2006, 04:18 AM
That class was pretty pathetic for CBs.

I do wonder what college prospect has Shanahan and his scouts drooling. :confused:

Deltha started next to Champ in last years Pro-Bowl :P

Jstats
03-22-2006, 04:24 AM
We Took John Mobley and Deltha O'Neal with the 15th selection in Prior Drafts

Straz1999
03-22-2006, 04:32 AM
Come on guys, the #15 makes sense to get Lendale White for a power back to compliment tatum bell's speed. And how about picking up Dominique Byrd with the #22? If they dont go tight end, then help shore up our defensive line would actually make more sense. We really made out in this deal.

BroncoFanCam
03-22-2006, 04:44 AM
Come on guys, the #15 makes sense to get Lendale White for a power back to compliment tatum bell's speed. And how about picking up Dominique Byrd with the #22? If they dont go tight end, then help shore up our defensive line would actually make more sense. We really made out in this deal.

The Name is Dayne, learn it, know it, love it. You will be hearing it a lot this season. And he is also the reason we will not/should not be going after a RB in round one. You want a change-up? We have Dayne and Tater.

It is well known, that we can insert virtually anyone into our backfield and have success. Why then, with 2-1st's, (one of which just became a lot more pretty) should we waste one of them on a position which your Grandmother could fill nicely?

Use the pic to solidify an area of concern, that lacks depth, not for a spot that we know will have success regardless.

;)

Straz1999
03-22-2006, 04:54 AM
Well, a part of me is still not completely sold on Ron Dayne. He did only play in a few games last year. I want to know what he can do in a whole season.

BroncoFanCam
03-22-2006, 05:03 AM
Well, a part of me is still not completely sold on Ron Dayne. He did only play in a few games last year. I want to know what he can do in a whole season.
That's ok ;)

Just remember he is a former Heisman winner, running behind a very similar system to that he ran in college, one that turned an unknown (before during and after) runner named Olandis into a 1,000 yard back.

He is fresh, having to play behind Tiki in NY.

He has a year learning our game under his belt, and he is hungry (as he displayed whilst munching on cobbler @ Thanksgiving (pun intended).

TXBRONC
03-22-2006, 07:52 AM
Lets look at it, elam and Nalen were both already here. Mikey had nothing to do with them.

Hamilton D4a-'01 Fourth rounder.
Carlisle D4b-'00 Fourth rounder
Bell D2a-'04 part timer not a first rounder
Brandon D4-'02 part timer not a first rounder
Foxworth D3b-'05 part timer not a first rounder
Williams D2-'05 part timer not a first rounder not even drafted for CB

Watts D2b-'04 complete waste so far.

Here are our 1st picks

Lelie D1-02 while a starter a marginal pick at best
Foster, D1-03 while a starter a marginal pick at best
Williams D1-'04 while a starter playing out of position
Wilson D1-99 great pick.

Then we have oneal, nash, middlebroken. All three reaches at best 2nd or maybe even 3rd rounders.

A great pick in mobley and price until one got hurt and the other lazy.

So with our ten number pick we got 4 current starters and two other ones that started but did not live up to there status. Two of the current starters foster and ashley should have been later picks as they are IMHO nothing to write home about.

That my friend really leaves 1 great starter and another one that is playing out of position out of 10 choices lets make it 3 if you want to add gold back in. All three LB's!

Outside of LB's mikey sucks at making good decisions at DAFTING in the first and even the second rounds.

After that it seems like he take the best available athlete in the positions we need help in.

Since we don't draft typical O-linemen, he has been pretty good at picking up bargains late in the draft. Personnaly I think most of those choices were Gibbs decisions.


You are mistaken about Nalen he came to the Broncos is 1994 the same year Shanahan took over as head coach.

Otherwise those are your opinion, but your previous post was saying that Shanahan has mostly FA starting for him and that is simply not accurate.

Again you are mistake if you think Gibbs makes the choices, its Shanahan.

Although O'Neal didn't play all that well for us accept for one season, look at what he's doing now.

JHoward
03-22-2006, 07:55 AM
Sorry for the additional draft pick thread but I was wondering how in the world did we get a hand in the trade for Abraham? Why would Atlanta swap picks with us?

JvDub95
03-22-2006, 08:04 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5433076

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 08:10 AM
The Falcons give up #15 and get Abraham, a 3rd this year and 4th rounder next year.

The Jets give up Abraham and get #29.

The Broncos give up #29, a 3rd this year and a fourth next year and get #15.

Good deal for us.

JHoward
03-22-2006, 08:10 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5433076

I appreciate the link but it doesnt explain why we were involved. Could it be that Abraham was interested in coming here?

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 08:12 AM
I appreciate the link but it doesnt explain why we were involved. Could it be that Abraham was interested in coming here?

Apparently Seattle's offer wasnt good enough for Abraham, and their 31st pick wasnt good enough for the Jets. The Falcons didnt want to give up a the 15th pick for Abraham alone (they wanted more and we gave it to them) and the Broncos wanted to move up.

AsianOrange
03-22-2006, 08:13 AM
I appreciate the link but it doesnt explain why we were involved. Could it be that Abraham was interested in coming here?

No, the Falcons needed a #1 draft pick because the Jets wanted one.

I think....now I'm confused. :goofy:

bleedbluorange
03-22-2006, 08:25 AM
No, the Falcons needed a #1 draft pick because the Jets wanted one.

I think....now I'm confused. :goofy:The falcons wanted those mid rounders we gave them. They also wanted a pick higher than 31 so they'd be giving a better pick than seattle could. I for one dont think the front office is targetting anyone with this trade. It was an oppurtunity and they jumped on it. :beer: to Shanny for not passing up on this deal.

JRWIZ
03-22-2006, 08:46 AM
Now we have an assistant head coach in Mike Heimerdinger, will he have any input at all in who we draft or does it rest solely on Shanny's shoulders?


Mikey trusted Gibbs as no other coach he had on staff.

I doubt that Mikey would have let any coach do their own thing, like he did with Alex.

How about you?

While the other Mike and Mikey go back a long way to college, Mikey is still the boss and Mike will be subservient to him.

I think the scout bring in their reports, the coaches make their recommendation of who they want and then Mikey makes the final decision period.

If Mikey locks his radar on someone he likes, he has shown the propensity to reach for them.

topscribe
03-22-2006, 08:49 AM
Mikey trusted Gibbs as no other coach he had on staff.

I doubt that Mikey would have let any coach do their own thing, like he did with Alex.

How about you?

While the other Mike and Mikey go back a long way to college, Mikey is still the boss and Mike will be subservient to him.

I think the scout bring in their reports, the coaches make their recommendation of who they want and then Mikey makes the final decision period.

If Mikey locks his radar on someone he likes, he has shown the propensity to reach for them.
I just hope his radar doesn't lock onto another Marcus Nash. :ugh:

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AsianOrange
03-22-2006, 08:49 AM
The falcons wanted those mid rounders we gave them. They also wanted a pick higher than 31 so they'd be giving a better pick than seattle could. I for one dont think the front office is targetting anyone with this trade. It was an oppurtunity and they jumped on it. :beer: to Shanny for not passing up on this deal.

Thanks for the clarity!

JRWIZ
03-22-2006, 09:12 AM
You are mistaken about Nalen he came to the Broncos is 1994 the same year Shanahan took over as head coach.

Otherwise those are your opinion, but your previous post was saying that Shanahan has mostly FA starting for him and that is simply not accurate.

Again you are mistake if you think Gibbs makes the choices, its Shanahan.

Although O'Neal didn't play all that well for us accept for one season, look at what he's doing now.


Although I stated his better players were mostly FA what I was trying to say was they were mostly players HE DID NOT DRAFT. I should have added trades to the comments. It is my contention that Mikey or teh scouts do a poor job at evaluating college players. Not being able to translate college game film to NFL standards. While once they get into the NFL either as starters or players on other teams they are able to make better decisions.

For certain with the exception of the LB's and a couple of DB's and low 4-7 round O-linemen. He sucks at making great choices on day one.

Here is a list of other potential starters next year. While gold is on the list both as a FA and Draftee, he was one that Mikey let get away and then spent more money than necessary to get him back.

Alexander, Stephen TE 6' 4" 250 11/07/75 8th Oklahoma UFA (Det)-'05
Bailey, Champ CB 6' 0" 192 06/22/78 7th Georgia T (Was)-'04
Brown, Courtney DE 6' 4" 285 02/14/78 6th Penn State FA-'05
Dayne, Ron RB 5' 10" 245 03/14/78 6th Wisconsin UFA (NYG)-'05
Ekuban, Ebenezer DE 6' 3" 275 05/29/76 7th North Carolina T (Cle)-'05
Ferguson, Nick S 5' 11" 201 11/27/74 6th Georgia Tech FA-03
Gold, Ian LB 6' 0" 223 08/23/78 6th Michigan FA-'05/ D2a-'00
Lang, Kenard DE 6' 3" 257 01/31/75 10th Miami FA-'06
Lepsis, Matt T 6' 4" 290 01/13/74 9th Colorado CFA-'97
Myers, Michael DT 6' 2" 300 01/20/76 8th Alabama T (Cle)-'05
Sauerbrun, Todd P 5' 10" 215 01/04/73 11th West Virginia T (Car)-'05
Smith, Rod WR 6' 0" 200 05/15/70 11th Missouri Southern CFA-94 Before Mikey
Veal, Demetrin DL 6' 2" 288 08/11/81 3rd Tennessee FA-'04

I'm sorry that I did not make myself total clear on this area.

BTW, Mikeys first draft was 1995.

arapaho
03-22-2006, 09:24 AM
No, the Falcons needed a #1 draft pick because the Jets wanted one.

I think....now I'm confused. :goofy:


the falcons didnt want to lose a 15 pick straight across for ja...the seahawks offered a 31 pick , so we stepped in traded our 29 for thier fifteen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they get abe plus a 3- 4 pick,,,basically they traded down to get him.....while we gave up a 3-4 to move up ,,and the jets trades ae for a 29 pick giving them 2

Buck76
03-22-2006, 10:25 AM
Its there a shot to get AJ Hawk, if we give up 15, 22? It would be Christmas early :D

Buck76
03-22-2006, 10:32 AM
What QB will be around at #15?
Love to see someone else knowing we need a real QB!

bleedbluorange
03-22-2006, 10:37 AM
Its there a shot to get AJ Hawk, if we give up 15, 22? It would be Christmas early :D
No matter what happens we wont draft Andy Katzenmoyer, I mean AJ Hawk. We already have great linebackers.

tbronc30
03-22-2006, 10:40 AM
No matter what happens we wont draft Andy Katzenmoyer, I mean AJ Hawk. We already have great linebackers.

Guys I really think they should get Jackson and Maroney with their first round picks or you could even go with Hali or Kiwanuka at #22 But i definitely think we should go after Jackson. Since we missed out on TO. But I think home grown is better than getting someone through FA.

bleedbluorange
03-22-2006, 10:44 AM
Guys I really think they should get Jackson and Maroney with their first round picks or you could even go with Hali or Kiwanuka at #22 But i definitely think we should go after Jackson. Since we missed out on TO. But I think home grown is better than getting someone through FA.I dont think Jackson will be an elite reciever. I dont see he and Lelie being a potent combination (when smith retires).

BVP
03-22-2006, 11:05 AM
Its there a shot to get AJ Hawk, if we give up 15, 22? It would be Christmas early :D

That's what I was thinking, but than I realized we don't need AJ Hawk because we already have an Elite LB core. I don't think that the Broncos are ready to trade up in the draft, and then switch to a 3-4 all just for AJ Hawk.

BVP
03-22-2006, 11:07 AM
I just hope his radar doesn't lock onto another Marcus Nash. :ugh:

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Yeah, that would be horrible. But most of the 1st round picks we have had in the recent years have been successful, probably with Lelie being the worst of the bunch. Let's see: Lelie, Foster, DJ all have been great players for us.

Conde
03-22-2006, 11:30 AM
make jake a very good qbLMAO!!!
Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.Please don't let it be Jay Cutler or Matt Leinart. I hate a standing QB back there. I hope they trade both 1st Round Picks and draft Vince Young.

I would rather see the Raiders draft Jay Cutler or Matt Leinart before they draft Vince Young. Vince Young will be a Super Star and the other two will be average at best in my opinion.

Boy would I go nuts if they do trade both 1st. Round Picks for Vince Young to replace #16. There's nothing more I want than replacing #16.
The Name is Dayne, learn it, know it, love it. You will be hearing it a lot this season. And he is also the reason we will not/should not be going after a RB in round one. You want a change-up? We have Dayne and Tater.

It is well known, that we can insert virtually anyone into our backfield and have success. Why then, with 2-1st's, (one of which just became a lot more pretty) should we waste one of them on a position which your Grandmother could fill nicely?

Use the pic to solidify an area of concern, that lacks depth, not for a spot that we know will have success regardless.

;)Because I want a RB who can actually get 2000 yards with our System and not a guy who'll just get 1,000 yards. We need a Super Star Player.

BVP
03-22-2006, 11:35 AM
Vince Young will be a Super Star and the other two will be average at best in my opinion.

Are you serious? Vince Young will not be better than Leinart or Cutler! Leinart and Cutler can throw the football better than Vince Young can. And, last time I checked, QB's who can throw the ball like Manning and Brady have been more successful than scrambling QB's like Vick.

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 11:41 AM
Are you serious? Vince Young will not be better than Leinart or Cutler! Leinart and Cutler can throw the football better than Vince Young can. And, last time I checked, QB's who can throw the ball like Manning and Brady have been more successful than scrambling QB's like Vick and Cullpepper.


I wouldnt go so far as to throw Culpeppers name in with Ron Mexico I mean Mike Vick. Remember Culpepper was going step for step with Manning when he threw all those touchdowns in '04.

Culpepper had 4000 yards and 39 touchdowns in '04. Vick would be lucky to get that in 2 full seasons.

BVP
03-22-2006, 11:42 AM
I wouldnt go so far as to throw Culpeppers name in with Ron Mexico I mean Mike Vick. Remember Culpepper was going step for step with Manning when he threw all those touchdowns in '04.

Culpepper had 4000 yards and 39 touchdowns in '04. Vick would be lucky to get that in 2 full seasons.

That's true, thank you for catching my mistake. :beer:

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 11:47 AM
That's true, thank you for catching my mistake. :beer:


No problem. :beer:

The only numbers Vick cares about are for the STD testing center. Ron Mexico!!!!!!

Conde
03-22-2006, 12:48 PM
If Matt Leinart is such a better Player than Vince Young why couldn't he beat Texas with Reggie Bush?

Vince Young won that game basically by himself. Please, Matt Leinart is Rob Johnson II. I'd be pissed off if we had Matt Leinart. I rather keep Jake Plummer over Matt Leinart any day and you all know how much I want Plummer out of Denver.

Matt Leinart was carried by the rest of his teammates at USC. That goes for the same for Jake Plummer.

And I see a lot of Vick haters on here as well. I mean he basically whooped our ass by himself two years ago.

But whatever, it's you guys opinion so I'll respect that. I have my opinions. And my opinion is I'll take Young over Cutler and Leinart any day of the week. Give me the guy who needs less help to be successful than guys who need a lot of help.

Trust me, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning ain't jack nada without their O-Line. Michael Vick doesn't even have a good Pass Blocking O-Line and he still can win games.

Anyway, that's just me. I like a QB who can ad lib a play over a QB that just stands back there and wait for one of his guys to get open and if they don't, he's done.

Inkana7
03-22-2006, 03:36 PM
Maroney/White with #15, Lawson/Kiwi with #22. This is what we need.

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 03:39 PM
Maroney/White with #15, Lawson/Kiwi with #22. This is what we need.

Nope we definentely dont need that. We currently have 7 DEs on the roster and 2 DTs. (Pope left via Free agency, and Veal and the other guy listed as DL plays end and tackel)

By the way Maroney/White would probably be considered a bit of a reach at 15.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=331&sort=Position

dogfish
03-22-2006, 03:43 PM
Nope we definentely dont need that. We currently have 7 DEs on the roster and 2 DTs. (Pope left via Free agency, and Veal and the other guy listed as DL plays end and tackel)

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=331&sort=Position

but the practice squd DEs aren't likely to both be on the roster come opening day, and demetrin veal generally plays DT. . . i agree that we need to add a DT in the draft, but an impact DE who can rush the passer is still our primary need-- quality not quantity. . .

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 03:45 PM
but the practice squd DEs aren't likely to both be on the roster come opening day, and demetrin veal generally plays DT. . . i agree that we need to add a DT in the draft, but an impact DE who can rush the passer is still our primary need-- quality not quantity. . .

Yes, but it wont happen given the amount of players we have at that position, the money we spent on Lang, and the amount of needs this team has. Sorry, but it wont happen, so dont get too excited about the DE prospects.

BroncoRT
03-22-2006, 03:50 PM
Nope we definentely dont need that. We currently have 7 DEs on the roster and 2 DTs. (Pope left via Free agency, and Veal and the other guy listed as DL plays end and tackel)

By the way Maroney/White would probably be considered a bit of a reach at 15.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=331&sort=Position

Seven DE's but not one that will get over 8 sacks. Just because we have quantity of crappy DE's other than Brown (who I think is great against the run but average as a pass rusher) we have no legitimate speed threat on the end.

Kiwi, Lawson and Hali will be options in this draft.

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 03:56 PM
Seven DE's but not one that will get over 8 sacks. Just because we have quantity of crappy DE's other than Brown (who I think is great against the run but average as a pass rusher) we have no legitimate speed threat on the end.

Kiwi, Lawson and Hali will be options in this draft.

So you want to load up on DEs and forget about DTs??? No way! All we have is freaking Warren and Myers in the middle. What we really need is a DT.

A pick of Hali, Lawson, or Kiwi would be a waste because we ALREADY have our starters in Brown and Ekuban, and we have solid depth with Lang and Engleberger.

At DT WE HAVE NOTHING BEHIND WARREN AND MYERS except Veal. If you are so freakin concerned about drafting a DE how will you feel when we have TOTAL SCRUBS in the middle of the line and 10 DEs?? What in the hell kind of football do you watch?

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 04:00 PM
To me, the only real difference maker is Mario Williams and he will go in the top 5. The DEs projected to go in the end of the first round will not be better than the starters we currently have. It would be a wasted pick on a position that we are already stacked at, and would in turn HURT the team by ignoring serious positions of need.

dogfish
03-22-2006, 04:10 PM
So you want to load up on DEs and forget about DTs??? No way! All we have is freaking Warren and Myers in the middle. What we really need is a DT.

A pick of Hali, Lawson, or Kiwi would be a waste because we ALREADY have our starters in Brown and Ekuban, and we have solid depth with Lang and Engleberger.

At DT WE HAVE NOTHING BEHIND WARREN AND MYERS except Veal. If you are so freakin concerned about drafting a DE how will you feel when we have TOTAL SCRUBS in the middle of the line and 10 DEs?? What in the hell kind of football do you watch?


you clearly underestimate guys like lawson and kiwi if you think they can't improve upon the pathetic 6 sacks that brown and ekuban combined netted last year. . . and if you think kenard lang solves anything, i wonder what kind of football you are watching-- obviously not the kind where getting after the QB is considered important (see the AFC championshiip game for a demonstration). . .

right now we have the same top 3 DTs that we had last year, warren, myers and veal. . . could we use an upgrade there? yes, absolutely-- especially if they can rush the passer!! the fact that we held a lead for most of last year skews the stats some, but our run D was clearly superior to our pass D. . . we faced the most passing attempts of any team in the league, and still ranked close to last in sacks. . . :coffee:

i really don't want to argue because i think we need help at both positions, but the cloggers we have at DT right now can surely match their performance from last year-- the most pressing need is a pass rusher!! i don't care if we have 50 frickin' DEs on the roster-- none of 'em are better than average, and that's being kind. . . . pass rush was the weakness of our D last year, and kenard lang is hardly any type of upgrade. . .

bleedbluorange
03-22-2006, 04:12 PM
To me, the only real difference maker is Mario Williams and he will go in the top 5. The DEs projected to go in the end of the first round will not be better than the starters we currently have. It would be a wasted pick on a position that we are already stacked at, and would in turn HURT the team by ignoring serious positions of need.I've been agreeing with you alot lately but I dont on this. Those DE's we have are on the way out of the league. I dont think it's a bad thing to add youth to the position. With that said we need youth added all over the place on the team. Safety, Dline, QB, and WR come to mind.

TXBRONC
03-22-2006, 04:14 PM
Yes, but it wont happen given the amount of players we have at that position, the money we spent on Lang, and the amount of needs this team has. Sorry, but it wont happen, so dont get too excited about the DE prospects.


Quanity doesn't equal quality. Not one of the current DEs is of the same quality as what is in this draft. Besides that we wont be keep all those linemen anyway.

Snk16
03-22-2006, 04:16 PM
Seven DE's but not one that will get over 8 sacks. Just because we have quantity of crappy DE's other than Brown (who I think is great against the run but average as a pass rusher) we have no legitimate speed threat on the end.

Kiwi, Lawson and Hali will be options in this draft.

I think Hali may be taken but Kiwi and Lawson are definetly choices right about now.

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 04:19 PM
you clearly underestimate guys like lawson and kiwi if you think they can't improve upon the pathetic 6 sacks that brown and ekuban combined netted last year. . . and if you think kenard lang solves anything, i wonder what kind of football you are watching-- obviously not the kind where getting after the QB is considered important (see the AFC championshiip game for a demonstration). . .

right now we have the same top 3 DTs that we had last year, warren, myers and veal. . . could we use an upgrade there? yes, absolutely-- especially if they can rush the passer!! the fact that we held a lead for most of last year skews the stats some, but our run D was clearly superior to our pass D. . . we faced the most passing attempts of any team in the league, and still ranked close to last in sacks. . . :coffee:

i really don't want to argue because i think we need help at both positions, but the cloggers we have at DT right now can surely match their performance from last year-- the most pressing need is a pass rusher!! i don't care if we have 50 frickin' DEs on the roster-- none of 'em are better than average, and that's being kind. . . . pass rush was the weakness of our D last year, and kenard lang is hardly any type of upgrade. . .

Yes but its a matter of finances and need. Who wouldnt agree that we need a Julius Peppers, heck every team in the NFL does.

The little problem that comes up is called reality. Warren and Myers arent that great to begin with and behind them we have Veal. THATS IT.

Drafting a DE in the first round especially after signing Lang (on a VERY LIMITED BUDGET) and picking up the option on Brown would make NO SENSE, especially when the draft pick would NOT be a starter unless his name was MARIO WILLIAMS.

If we draft a DE in the first round we just wasted TONS of money and time this offseason by signing Lang and not taking care of upgrading the offense. Im all for getting a Dumervil or someone like that in the later rounds, but picking up a DE in the first round would be a big mistake.

BroncoRT
03-22-2006, 04:54 PM
So you want to load up on DEs and forget about DTs??? No way! All we have is freaking Warren and Myers in the middle. What we really need is a DT.

A pick of Hali, Lawson, or Kiwi would be a waste because we ALREADY have our starters in Brown and Ekuban, and we have solid depth with Lang and Engleberger.

At DT WE HAVE NOTHING BEHIND WARREN AND MYERS except Veal. If you are so freakin concerned about drafting a DE how will you feel when we have TOTAL SCRUBS in the middle of the line and 10 DEs?? What in the hell kind of football do you watch?

If you would like to look at my draft predictions in the draft competition thread you will see I have us drafting DT Bunkley with the #1 pick. I have been big Claude Wroten fan all year and I have been crying for a solid DT in this draft.

If you seriously think that having Lang, Engleberger, Ekuban are the answer at DE your crazy. They are average at best. Hali, Lawson and Kiwi have a bright star potential, while Ekuban, Engleberger and Lang have 25 watt flashlight potential. :D

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 07:12 PM
If you would like to look at my draft predictions in the draft competition thread you will see I have us drafting DT Bunkley with the #1 pick. I have been big Claude Wroten fan all year and I have been crying for a solid DT in this draft.

If you seriously think that having Lang, Engleberger, Ekuban are the answer at DE your crazy. They are average at best. Hali, Lawson and Kiwi have a bright star potential, while Ekuban, Engleberger and Lang have 25 watt flashlight potential. :D

I dont think Im so crazy because I think Shanahan is convinced he is set at DE. That doesnt mean I think we're set talent wise because we have been missing a great DE since Berry and Hayward left.

The problem is we have loaded up on average DEs, although I think Ekuban will have a breakout year but thats another discussion entirely. We just paid Lang to come in and we re-signed Brown. If one of those things had not happened I would really think we would draft a DE.

But when you look at the roster and see 7 DEs compared to Warren, Myers, and Veal for DT its obvious we will have to pick a DT in the draft simply to fill out a roster spot if nothing else unless we sign 3 DTs after the draft.

DT is the position we should really be looking at IMO. Bunkley would be a great selection because he is a pass rushing DT. He probably wont fall to us but if he did the smart move would be take him. At 22 we can give the offense an upgrade with either a RB, WR, or TE.

WABronco
03-22-2006, 07:33 PM
If you would like to look at my draft predictions in the draft competition thread you will see I have us drafting DT Bunkley with the #1 pick. I have been big Claude Wroten fan all year and I have been crying for a solid DT in this draft.

If you seriously think that having Lang, Engleberger, Ekuban are the answer at DE your crazy. They are average at best. Hali, Lawson and Kiwi have a bright star potential, while Ekuban, Engleberger and Lang have 25 watt flashlight potential. :D

You forgot Corey "The Answer" Jackson.............

BroncoStampede
03-22-2006, 07:41 PM
You forgot Corey "The Answer" Jackson.............

I think I did too. Thats 8 DEs on the roster folks.

Buck76
03-24-2006, 11:34 AM
[QUOTE=Conde]LMAO!!!Please don't let it be Jay Cutler or Matt Leinart. I hate a standing QB back there. I hope they trade both 1st Round Picks and draft Vince Young.

I would rather see the Raiders draft Jay Cutler or Matt Leinart before they draft Vince Young. Vince Young will be a Super Star and the other two will be average at best in my opinion.

Boy would I go nuts if they do trade both 1st. Round Picks for Vince Young to replace #16. There's nothing more I want than replacing #16.Because I want a RB who can actually get 2000 yards with our System and not a guy who'll just get 1,000 yards. We need a Super Star Player.[ I have said it all a long, we will never win it all with Plummer! Maybe VY is the key? You make a good point.

Blitz222
03-24-2006, 12:00 PM
[QUOTE=Conde]LMAO!!!Please don't let it be Jay Cutler or Matt Leinart. I hate a standing QB back there. I hope they trade both 1st Round Picks and draft Vince Young.

I would rather see the Raiders draft Jay Cutler or Matt Leinart before they draft Vince Young. Vince Young will be a Super Star and the other two will be average at best in my opinion.

Boy would I go nuts if they do trade both 1st. Round Picks for Vince Young to replace #16. There's nothing more I want than replacing #16.Because I want a RB who can actually get 2000 yards with our System and not a guy who'll just get 1,000 yards. We need a Super Star Player.[ I have said it all a long, we will never win it all with Plummer! Maybe VY is the key? You make a good point.

wow that might be the most off base comments i have read on these boards.
lets see the last super bowl champs quarterback
Big Ben somewhat mobile
tom brady not as much mobility
kurt warner
trent dilfer
brad johnson
get a clue my friend. these guys take the time to read the field and find the open guy. A wide reciever has 3 or 4 guys to beat after the catch. a quarterback has 11 guys to beat to get to the house.

Cugel
03-24-2006, 12:05 PM
I dont think Im so crazy because I think Shanahan is convinced he is set at DE. That doesnt mean I think we're set talent wise because we have been missing a great DE since Berry and Hayward left.

The problem is we have loaded up on average DEs, although I think Ekuban will have a breakout year but thats another discussion entirely. We just paid Lang to come in and we re-signed Brown. If one of those things had not happened I would really think we would draft a DE.

But when you look at the roster and see 7 DEs compared to Warren, Myers, and Veal for DT its obvious we will have to pick a DT in the draft simply to fill out a roster spot if nothing else unless we sign 3 DTs after the draft.

DT is the position we should really be looking at IMO. Bunkley would be a great selection because he is a pass rushing DT. He probably wont fall to us but if he did the smart move would be take him. At 22 we can give the offense an upgrade with either a RB, WR, or TE.

I would agree with this but unfortunately, nobody is asking for my opinion. I would imagine Shanahan will take Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes or LenDale White, etc. I don't think any of those players will be stars in this league but I've been wrong before.

My guess is that 3 years from now this year's #1 Broncos draft pick will be another of those "where are they now" guys, like Terry Pierce and Darius Watts are today, but I hope not!

BVP
03-24-2006, 12:09 PM
Boy would I go nuts if they do trade both 1st. Round Picks for Vince Young to replace #16. There's nothing more I want than replacing #16.Because I want a RB who can actually get 2000 yards with our System and not a guy who'll just get 1,000 yards. We need a Super Star Player.[ I have said it all a long, we will never win it all with Plummer! Maybe VY is the key? You make a good point.

VY is not the key for the Broncos. Leinart or Cutler would be a small piece of the puzzel for the Broncos, but a QB isn't even the key. The key is getting depth at WR and getting a better pass rush.

TXBRONC
03-24-2006, 12:13 PM
I would agree with this but unfortunately, nobody is asking for my opinion. I would imagine Shanahan will take Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes or LenDale White, etc. I don't think any of those players will be stars in this league but I've been wrong before.

My guess is that 3 years from now this year's #1 Broncos draft pick will be another of those "where are they now" guys, like Terry Pierce and Darius Watts are today, but I hope not!


I disagree with about White I think he's actually better than Reggie Bush. Now are you saying that if we put LenDale White in our backfield he would be a flop? Considering our past success I really do doubt it Cugel.

Pierce and Watts were not number one pick and as it is with every team in the League you hit on some players and miss on others.

Cugel
03-24-2006, 12:37 PM
I disagree with about White I think he's actually better than Reggie Bush. Now are you saying that if we put LenDale White in our backfield he would be a flop? Considering our past success I really do doubt it Cugel.

Pierce and Watts were not number one pick and as it is with every team in the League you hit on some players and miss on others.
Who said he'd be a flop? NOT me! :laugh:

I personally wouldn't like to see Shanahan use the #1 pick on a RB because I believe that he could find someone who would be successful without using that high of a pick. But, White could be successful in the Broncos system.

As for Pierce and Watts they were 2nd round picks! And it's considered a complete failure if your 2nd round pick is cut from the team after doing nothing for 2 or 3 seasons! That's a serious draft failure. Not quite as serious as drafting Marcus Nash and then cutting him because he can't beat out undrafted FAs, but serious none the less.

TXBRONC
03-24-2006, 12:44 PM
Who said he'd be a flop? NOT me! :laugh:

I personally wouldn't like to see Shanahan use the #1 pick on a RB because I believe that he could find someone who would be successful without using that high of a pick. But, White could be successful in the Broncos system.

As for Pierce and Watts they were 2nd round picks! And it's considered a complete failure if your 2nd round pick is cut from the team after doing nothing for 2 or 3 seasons! That's a serious draft failure. Not quite as serious as drafting Marcus Nash and then cutting him because he can't beat out undrafted FAs, but serious none the less.


I would agree with this but unfortunately, nobody is asking for my opinion. I would imagine Shanahan will take Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes or LenDale White, etc. I don't think any of those players will be stars in this league but I've been wrong before.

I took this to mean that you think they will be flops. At anyrate not all picks are going to work out for whatever reason and every coach in this Leage has had their fair share of failures as well.

I agree that Nash was bad pick but how many 32nd picks actually go on to have solid careers? The only I know of on our team is Al Wilson.

BroncoFanCam
03-24-2006, 08:13 PM
Because I want a RB who can actually get 2000 yards with our System and not a guy who'll just get 1,000 yards. We need a Super Star Player.

Your opinion officially holds no weight with me, whatsoever.

When we are in the #2 in rushing and you claim our running game isn't good enough, you obviously have no flaming idea what you're talking about.

broncos4ever
03-24-2006, 11:12 PM
I would agree with this but unfortunately, nobody is asking for my opinion. I would imagine Shanahan will take Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes or LenDale White, etc. I don't think any of those players will be stars in this league but I've been wrong before.

I took this to mean that you think they will be flops. At anyrate not all picks are going to work out for whatever reason and every coach in this Leage has had their fair share of failures as well.

I agree that Nash was bad pick but how many 32nd picks actually go on to have solid careers? The only I know of on our team is Al Wilson.

WOW TX, nobody is asking your opinion. :confused: How could that be? Just kidding of course. It did catch my funny bone tonight though. Just got off a grueling crew IT shutdown and I must be tired.

Why don't you think Holmes could be a star? I think Holmes has a lot of upside. I would love to have Holmes as a third wide receiver for us. He runs good routes and can get open and catches everything thrown at him. He could be a real good find for us even though he is not real tall, the scouting reports says he could be a good blocker.

broncobuckeyes
03-24-2006, 11:18 PM
Well I just got back from florida and I missed out on all the news, I just found out about this deal and I love it! Great move.

broncos_fan88
03-25-2006, 02:25 AM
drafting reggie bush would be awesome, imagine what we could do with a rb that some people are saying is going to be one of the best in our superior system, and by the way i wont be satisfied until we are #1 in rushing offence. realisticly thogh we wont get reggie bush but i have no faith whatsoever in either PLummer or Dayne the only thing is that im willing to put up with Plummer for another season because their is no reasanable replacment for him the way things are now which means we need a rb at the 22nd pick and then we need to pray that huff falls to 15th becuz lets face it tatum bell cant do it all on his own and ron dayne is has yet to prove himself imo

dogfish
03-25-2006, 02:32 AM
drafting reggie bush would be awesome, imagine what we could do with a rb that some people are saying is going to be one of the best in our superior system, and by the way i wont be satisfied until we are #1 in rushing offence. realisticly thogh we wont get reggie bush but i have no faith whatsoever in either PLummer or Dayne the only thing is that im willing to put up with Plummer for another season because their is no reasanable replacment for him the way things are now which means we need a rb at the 22nd pick and then we need to pray that huff falls to 15th becuz lets face it tatum bell cant do it all on his own and ron dayne is has yet to prove himself imo



whew!! thank god you're willing to put up with jake for another year-- what would happen if you weren't?!

JRWIZ
03-25-2006, 04:08 PM
drafting reggie bush would be awesome, imagine what we could do with a rb that some people are saying is going to be one of the best in our superior system, and by the way i wont be satisfied until we are #1 in rushing offence. realisticly thogh we wont get reggie bush but i have no faith whatsoever in either PLummer or Dayne the only thing is that im willing to put up with Plummer for another season because their is no reasanable replacment for him the way things are now which means we need a rb at the 22nd pick and then we need to pray that huff falls to 15th becuz lets face it tatum bell cant do it all on his own and ron dayne is has yet to prove himself imo

Have you ever thought about punctuation or capitalization in your comments. Would be so much easier to see where one thought stops and another starts.

Word to the wise.

There might be a coherent thought in there somewhere, but I'm really not sure.