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ChampWJ
07-06-2007, 04:03 PM
I guess this means I can start wearing my Vick jersey again. It's definitely good news for Falcons fans like myself because he has used the Falcons' practice facility as a retreat to get away from the media and he has had the highest attendance rate of his career. I breathed a sigh of relief when reading this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2927560


Vick indictment seen unlikely in feds' dogfight probe

ESPN.com news services

Updated: July 6, 2007, 6:50 PM ET

SURRY, Va. -- Federal authorities have filed court documents outlining an alleged dogfighting operation at a property owned by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, The Associated Press reported Friday.

Vick is not named in the documents.

Additionally, Vick is unlikely to be indicted in the dogfighting federal investigation, according to information gathered by the NFL and Atlanta Falcons, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The authorities have told the Falcons and league that there has not been any evidence that can be tied to Vick with the alleged dogfighting ring, the sources said.

The law enforcement authorities have privately told league and team officials that at least three people are expected to be indicted but the identities of those individuals were unknown.

The documents filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond and obtained Friday by The Associated Press contain the address of the home that has been the center of the investigation.

A source close to the investigation, and with knowledge of much of the evidence, told ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli that the events of Friday were "very helpful in the overall and ongoing investigation into an alleged dogfighting ring at that property. ... Remember, this is an investigation into what has been considered an enterprise involving many people... From our standpoint, it never has focused on an individual and it still doesn't."

The filing comes on a day when federal agents searched the wooded property Vick is currently selling in southeastern Virginia on Friday. Fifteen vehicles were on the property, including a rental truck and a Virginia State Police evidence collections truck.

According to the documents, dog fights have been sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" at the property since at least 2002. For the events, participants and dogs traveled from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas and other states.

Members of the venture also knowingly transported, delivered and received dogs for animal fighting, the documents state.

Fifty-four animals were recovered from the property during searches in April, along with a "rape stand," used to hold dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.

The property was used as the "main staging area for housing and training the pit bulls involved in the dog fighting venture," according to the filings.

The documents said the fights usually occurred late at night or in the early morning and would last several hours. The winning dog would win from "100's up to 1,000's of dollars," and participants and spectators also would place bets on the fight.

Before fights, the participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog's coat that could affect the other dog's performance. Sometimes participants would not feed a dog before the fight to "make it more hungry for the other dog," the documents said.

Fights would end when one dog died or the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents.

During a June search of the property, investigators uncovered the graves of seven pit bulls that were killed by members of "Bad Newz Kennels" following sessions to test whether dogs would be good fighters, the documents said.

Members of "Bad Newz Kennels" also sponsored and exhibited fights in other parts of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, New Jersey and other states, the filings said.

Friday morning, a U.S. Department of Agriculture agent stationed at the gate on the southeastern Virginia property had no comment, ESPN's Kelly Naqi reported. The USDA is the federal agency with oversight over treatment of domestic animals and investigates dogfighting allegations.

The authorities arrived sometime after 6 a.m. ET. They finished their work at about 4:30 p.m. and declined to answer reporters' questions as they left.

State and federal investigators concentrated their search looking for dog carcasses allegedly buried somewhere behind the property, according to Naqi. At 1:30 p.m. ET, a backhoe pulled onto the property and began to maneuver by some black outhouses, located behind the main house, and headed further into the woods. Those black houses are where local investigators had found the items listed in the court documents, including the blood-stained carpeting and rape stand.

Portsmouth's WAVY-TV broadcast video of investigators working under a blue tarp on a portion of the property. They were sifting dirt collected in white buckets and clearing brush. Some wore T-shirts with the wording "POLICE."

The property includes a metal gate at the entrance of the large white house and a fence around the perimeter, which obscured the work of investigators.

About 15 people could be seen on the property, which included kennels and outbuildings. One of the investigators told reporters assembled outside the property that the search would take a considerable amount of time.

Corinne Geller, a spokesman for the Virginia State Police, said state authorities were working with federal investigators in an "assistance capacity."

On June 7, federal law enforcement officials descended on the property with a search warrant. More than a dozen vehicles went to the home early that day and investigators searched inside before turning their attention to the area where officials found dozens of dogs in late April and evidence that suggested the home was involved in a dogfighting operation.

Surry County officials had secured a search warrant in late May based on an informant's information to look for as many as 30 dog carcasses buried on the property. The warrant never was executed because Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter said he had issues with the way it was worded.

The results of that search have remained sealed.

At the time, Poindexter expressed surprise at why the federal government was involved.

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"

A day later, "They launched a separate, independent federal investigation," Poindexter said of the government, which has had a representative involved in the local probe all along.

"We are just pursuing parallel investigations."

During an April 25 drug raid on the home Vick owns in the county, authorities seized 66 dogs, including 55 pit bulls, and equipment that suggested someone at the property was involved in a dogfighting operation.

A search warrant affidavit said some of the dogs were in individual kennels and about 30 were tethered with "heavy logging-type chains" buried in the ground. The chains allowed the dogs to get close to each other, but not to have contact, one of myriad findings on the property that suggested a dogfighting operation.

Vick has claimed he rarely visits the home and was unaware it could be involved in a criminal enterprise. He also has blamed family members for taking advantage of his generosity. Vick's cousin, Davon Boddie, was living at the home at the time of the raids.

Information from ESPN's Chris Mortensen, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli and The Associated Press was used in this report.

silkamilkamonic
07-06-2007, 05:48 PM
Vick wasn't likely going to face charges at all through this ordea. They just don;t have the concrete evidence to really put up a case against him. I am happy they are continuing the investigation of the "sport" itself, because it's a sadistic and ignorant practice.

But the fact that Vick will be safe and keep playing is a great sign for all the winning teams of the NFL.

:D

Lorcust
07-06-2007, 07:06 PM
I swear, there are going to be some and have been who want to see him proven guilty, regardless of whether or not he is really guilty.

stnzed
07-06-2007, 07:27 PM
I couldn't care less if charges are brought against him. He'll never see the inside of a jail cell, so what's the point?

Oh I am thoroughly convinced he's into dog fighting, but he'll never do a minute of jail time!

He'll buy his way out of this, if he hasn't already.

He's a sick POS......

Davii
07-06-2007, 08:21 PM
I couldn't care less if charges are brought against him. He'll never see the inside of a jail cell, so what's the point?

Oh I am thoroughly convinced he's into dog fighting, but he'll never do a minute of jail time!

He'll buy his way out of this, if he hasn't already.

He's a sick POS......

I hope most people realize he is a sick POS whether or not he is ever charged with anything. He knew about it. He might have been smart enough to stay just far enough away to keep from getting in trouble, but Vick has proved this offseason what type of a human being he is. I don't think the fans will soon forget.

stnzed
07-06-2007, 08:28 PM
I hope most people realize he is a sick POS whether or not he is ever charged with anything. He knew about it. He might have been smart enough to stay just far enough away to keep from getting in trouble, but Vick has proved this offseason what type of a human being he is. I don't think the fans will soon forget.


Nothing will change from what we have now.

If he's not indicted, those that hug his junk will still be snuggling his junk...

...Those that are all like: "We are innocent until proven guilty in this country" will still be all like: "We are innocent until proven guilty in this country"....

....And those that know better, will still know better!

saltybuggah
07-07-2007, 07:07 AM
even thou they are stating this, keep in mind he is still not out of the clear yet.

imo i find it hard to believe that he knew nothing about this going on in his property. how does a man build a home and have an area made for the housing of 60 plus dogs. when vick was a reg. resident at the house im sure during construction stages or additions it was the intent to have an area for these dogs and vick knew what they were going to do with them.

proof is hard to come by and witnesses are even harder.

if he didnt do it and knew nothing about it then his relatives must be magicians

broncophan
07-07-2007, 07:33 AM
Vick is a thug imo......and I am glad, for the most part...the broncos don't pick up, or keep thugs on their team......I would hate to have to cheer for or support the broncos with players such as Vick....

jcdavey
07-07-2007, 07:48 AM
alot of his own fans soured on him well before this.

the guy is done, i doubt he'll ever recover from this

he was an idiot in the concentration department before all this, and it certainly won't help that aspect of his game.

he's a failure as a passing quarterback, but a great running qb. atl will go nowhere with him.

calibroncogrl47
07-07-2007, 09:50 AM
How can some of you be happy they there is no punishment for this man's action! I have no respect for him now as a man or NFL player. I could honestly care less if he ever played again!

ChampWJ
07-07-2007, 11:19 AM
How can some of you be happy they there is no punishment for this man's action! I have no respect for him now as a man or NFL player. I could honestly care less if he ever played again!

I guess there's a lot of people that had already made their minds up that he was guilty huh? I've been a Vick fan since his VT days and I was holding out hope that he would be cleared so he can get back to football. I have a feeling this whole thing is gonna motivate him to step up his game and finally live up to the expectations.


alot of his own fans soured on him well before this.

the guy is done, i doubt he'll ever recover from this

he was an idiot in the concentration department before all this, and it certainly won't help that aspect of his game.

he's a failure as a passing quarterback, but a great running qb. atl will go nowhere with him.

When you say "a lot of his fans soured on him" what exactly do you mean? Were you a fan who soured on him, so you think everyone else did? The Falcons boards still have many, many people who support Vick, and a loud minority who wants him gone.

And when you say "the guy is done" I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. On ESPN the other day, they said Vick's offseason attendance has been 100% this year, up from his career high of 75%. He's been working with his receivers (Who Joe Horn is supposedly teaching how to catch) and watching tons of film. That doesn't sound like a concentration problem to me. I think he'll have a career year, which doesn't bode well for the rest of the NFC.

You "doubt he'll ever recover" from what? It's not like he's been arrested or charged with anything. That seems kinda funny coming from a fan of Shawne Merriman's team.

I believe Atlanta is a better team with Vick. They'd go nowhere without him, and while the rest of that team has some weaknesses, Vick is the most talented player on the team, if not the whole NFL (in terms of pure talent). The guy can score a TD on any play, and throws a rocket. He has a ridiculously quick release and is a very good passer while moving outside the pocket (since their O-line doesn't know how to pass protect).

He cannot be blamed solely for Atlanta's problems the last few years. The coaching staff did nothing to feature his strengths and forced him to play a style of game that didn't suit his unique skills set.

ChampWJ
07-07-2007, 11:25 AM
Just thought I'd add this little tidbit for those of you who haven't read the article or won't because you're convinced that Vick is guilty.

The Federal investigation did not find ANY evidence linking Vick to the alleged dogfighting ring. It's not that they didn't find ENOUGH evidence, they found NO evidence.

silkamilkamonic
07-07-2007, 12:33 PM
The Federal investigation did not find ANY evidence linking Vick to the alleged dogfighting ring. It's not that they didn't find ENOUGH evidence, they found NO evidence.


They didn't find any evidence after they took over the investigation.

There was already evidence confiscated before they took over(a dog fighting arena, blood, dog fighting instruments). The feds just didn't find any evidence, and the evidence they had agains thim wasn't enough to warrant any charges.

ChampWJ
07-07-2007, 12:59 PM
They didn't find any evidence after they took over the investigation.

There was already evidence confiscated before they took over(a dog fighting arena, blood, dog fighting instruments). The feds just didn't find any evidence, and the evidence they had agains thim wasn't enough to warrant any charges.

That's where you're missing the point. They definitely found evidence of a dogfighting ring, but they found no evidence linking Vick to it. Again, it's not that they didn't find enough evidence to link him, the source says they didn't find ANY evidence to link him.

I'm not saying he had no knowledge of it or had nothing to do with it, they just can't find any evidence of that.

There are supposedly three people about to be indicted regarding it, and Vick isn't one of them.

silkamilkamonic
07-07-2007, 02:29 PM
That's where you're missing the point. They definitely found evidence of a dogfighting ring, but they found no evidence linking Vick to it. Again, it's not that they didn't find enough evidence to link him, the source says they didn't find ANY evidence to link him.

I'm not saying he had no knowledge of it or had nothing to do with it, they just can't find any evidence of that.

There are supposedly three people about to be indicted regarding it, and Vick isn't one of them.


The only link they have to Vick is the fact that all the dog fighting related evidence they have found was in fact discovered on Vick's property. That's why the Feds stepped in and continued the investigation.

It doesn't mean he had something to do with it, or did not have something to do with it.

It only means they didn't have enough evidence to warrant bringing up charges against him.

Nobody can say he was definetely on it. But nobody can not ask questions as to why it was found on his property.

It's a little peculiar either way you look at it.

Ravage!!!
07-07-2007, 02:46 PM
I'm sure Vick was betting on dog fighting. Whether or not he's the ring leader... is something that I don't really wish to guess on.

But this isn't any different than any OTHER time a celebrity or someone in the press is accused of something. If a person is accused, the public AUTOMATICALLY assumes you are GUILTY... period. Our court system is NO LONGER built around "innocent until proven guilty." Its "guilty until proven innocent." There are so many that will convict any man/woman that is charged with a crime... YET.... we are setting people free EVERY DAY that have been falsely imprisoned due to DNA evidence. Those same people that are not being set free, were SHUNNED by the very people here that SCREAM that they know the TRUTH!! Everyone is an expert on the truth, and the evidence, by all the "facts" that are in the papers (which is a JOKE if you think the news and the papers EVER have the facts right).

I'm not even a Vick fan. I think he's a thug.. a punk.. and one that will never be able to separate himself from his gansta friends. I think he's someone that has unbelievable athletic ability, but will NEVER meet the potential he carries, because he doesn't take it seriously... and takes it for granted.

But I'm just as sickened by those that post, say, and scream that THEY know what REALLY happened, and know the REAL truth... and say "screw this innocent until proven guilty crap, after all... "I" am the all knowing, and "I" know the truth".... its SICK.... disgusting.... and honestly.... embarrassing.

jcdavey
07-07-2007, 04:07 PM
I guess there's a lot of people that had already made their minds up that he was guilty huh? I've been a Vick fan since his VT days and I was holding out hope that he would be cleared so he can get back to football. I have a feeling this whole thing is gonna motivate him to step up his game and finally live up to the expectations.



When you say "a lot of his fans soured on him" what exactly do you mean? Were you a fan who soured on him, so you think everyone else did? The Falcons boards still have many, many people who support Vick, and a loud minority who wants him gone.

And when you say "the guy is done" I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. On ESPN the other day, they said Vick's offseason attendance has been 100% this year, up from his career high of 75%. He's been working with his receivers (Who Joe Horn is supposedly teaching how to catch) and watching tons of film. That doesn't sound like a concentration problem to me. I think he'll have a career year, which doesn't bode well for the rest of the NFC.

You "doubt he'll ever recover" from what? It's not like he's been arrested or charged with anything. That seems kinda funny coming from a fan of Shawne Merriman's team.

I believe Atlanta is a better team with Vick. They'd go nowhere without him, and while the rest of that team has some weaknesses, Vick is the most talented player on the team, if not the whole NFL (in terms of pure talent). The guy can score a TD on any play, and throws a rocket. He has a ridiculously quick release and is a very good passer while moving outside the pocket (since their O-line doesn't know how to pass protect).

He cannot be blamed solely for Atlanta's problems the last few years. The coaching staff did nothing to feature his strengths and forced him to play a style of game that didn't suit his unique skills set.i saw alot of his own fans disgusted in him during the season last year, both on the falcons boards and when i saw atl home games....they were just tired of his stupid act.

the guy's an idiot cut and dry

jcdavey
07-07-2007, 04:10 PM
The only link they have to Vick is the fact that all the dog fighting related evidence they have found was in fact discovered on Vick's property. That's why the Feds stepped in and continued the investigation.

It doesn't mean he had something to do with it, or did not have something to do with it.

It only means they didn't have enough evidence to warrant bringing up charges against him.

Nobody can say he was definetely on it. But nobody can not ask questions as to why it was found on his property.

It's a little peculiar either way you look at it.some of his still true loyalist fans would still be cheering for him if he committed a murder, that's just how some people are, like mothers who defend their guilty sons, they just have that vision in their head and hate when their idol turns out to be a piece of ****

stnzed
07-07-2007, 04:43 PM
I'm sure Vick was betting on dog fighting. Whether or not he's the ring leader... is something that I don't really wish to guess on.

But this isn't any different than any OTHER time a celebrity or someone in the press is accused of something. If a person is accused, the public AUTOMATICALLY assumes you are GUILTY... period. Our court system is NO LONGER built around "innocent until proven guilty." Its "guilty until proven innocent." There are so many that will convict any man/woman that is charged with a crime... YET.... we are setting people free EVERY DAY that have been falsely imprisoned due to DNA evidence. Those same people that are not being set free, were SHUNNED by the very people here that SCREAM that they know the TRUTH!! Everyone is an expert on the truth, and the evidence, by all the "facts" that are in the papers (which is a JOKE if you think the news and the papers EVER have the facts right).

I'm not even a Vick fan. I think he's a thug.. a punk.. and one that will never be able to separate himself from his gansta friends. I think he's someone that has unbelievable athletic ability, but will NEVER meet the potential he carries, because he doesn't take it seriously... and takes it for granted.

But I'm just as sickened by those that post, say, and scream that THEY know what REALLY happened, and know the REAL truth... and say "screw this innocent until proven guilty crap, after all... "I" am the all knowing, and "I" know the truth".... its SICK.... disgusting.... and honestly.... embarrassing.



I've said that I do believe that he is involved in dog fighting...(Actually I'm "convinced" that he is involved in dog fighting)....I've said that he is a sick POS.

And the beauty of this is that I do not have the "Guilty until proven innocent" burden to make up my own mind....If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but this isn't a court of law!

It is what I believe and it will take more than what the investigators can or can't prove to change my mind. In my mind he is into dog fighting and therefor a sick POS.

I may have taken my posts a little too far but I just can't figure out why, with all that's been reported in this story, it's posts like these on a message board (Along with his wasted talent) that "SICK"ens and "disgusts" you. Sorry bout that....

UnderArmour
07-08-2007, 10:50 PM
It feels so good to be right about all of this from the very beginning.

ChampWJ
07-17-2007, 02:30 PM
Well, I guess you can no longer trust ESPN.com judging from today's developments.