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Broncosinindy
07-20-2007, 09:44 PM
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick_2

ChampWJ
07-20-2007, 09:52 PM
And what if you think PETA is a joke?

Don't you realize that if PETA had their way, we'd all have no food to eat? They're against poultry and cattle farmers, hunters, fisherman, and pretty much anyone that's involved with the death or "mistreatment" of an animal, no matter how necessary.

Broncosinindy
07-20-2007, 10:00 PM
And what if you think PETA is a joke?

Don't you realize that if PETA had their way, we'd all have no food to eat? They're against poultry and cattle farmers, hunters, fisherman, and pretty much anyone that's involved with the death or "mistreatment" of an animal, no matter how necessary.


This is a platform to have my voice be heard. I could care less what PETA thinks on any other issue. its not as though i am a card carrying member. Animals are a source of food in my book. they should not be used in our sadistic form of entertainment. Now please tell me why i am supposed to care about peta or al sharpton who has also thrown his hat in the ring. they are doing it to benefit themselves and there cause.

DawgFanatic
07-20-2007, 10:01 PM
goddell'' lloll! sorry indy, forgive me bud but that was funny right there.

Broncosinindy
07-20-2007, 10:06 PM
goddell'' lloll! sorry indy, forgive me bud but that was funny right there.
i cant spell for spit:) and to be honest i could care less.

DrewB
07-20-2007, 10:10 PM
i cant spell for spit:) and to be honest i could care less.

:heh: "Goddell" It kinda fits with how the Comish is coming down on some players

As far as the e-mail goes I had a hard time giving my e-mail and address to PETA..so I made one up and used my wifes Yahoo account she never uses

ChampWJ
07-20-2007, 10:13 PM
i cant spell for spit:) and to be honest i could care less.

And I quote another post of yours from another thread:
"Hey just in case you are not a smart guy let me spell it out for you."

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Broncosinindy
07-20-2007, 10:26 PM
And I quote another post of yours from another thread:
"Hey just in case you are not a smart guy let me spell it out for you."

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Differant context. . you keep going on with the same ole song and dance. you were not getting what anyone had to say. either that or you are to bull headed to take a second to see another oppionon so i thought i would again try and make you see it as i saw it. as far as my spelling and typing grammar whatever goes. really i could care less if you wanna judge me on that, instead the message it brings. if that is all you have to argue what really is your arguement becasue you aint getting one from me. i know i cant spell

ChampWJ
07-20-2007, 10:34 PM
so i thought i would try and make you see it as i saw it.


BUT ILL BE DAMNED. if you or anyone else in this thread is gonna come in and tell me what to feal. becuase you have NOTHING vested in this arguement. sure you are free to have your oppionon but dont tell me what i need to take seriousl and what i dont need to take seriously

So you're allowed to try and make me see things your way, but not the other way around? :rolleyes:

NinjaPirateFunk
07-21-2007, 12:03 AM
eh, i don't support peta but i agree with them in this situation.

tsiguy96
07-21-2007, 12:47 AM
whats funny is the only stuff you people know about this case is what the media feeds you. youre opinion means nothing because you DONT know all the facts of the case, and before i condemn him to hell i will wait to see what a trial by jury says, as should you.

ChampWJ
07-21-2007, 12:49 AM
whats funny is the only stuff you people know about this case is what the media feeds you. youre opinion means nothing because you DONT know all the facts of the case, and before i condemn him to hell i will wait to see what a trial by jury says, as should you.

Finally! And I thought ob420 and myself were the only ones. :smug:

BF_forever
07-21-2007, 01:46 AM
petas crap.
Just FYI they support bombings of US buildings (terrorism)

ChampWJ
I agree that Vick shouldnt be condemded, but he has got to think a bit more considering how much of a role model he is.

bronco bible
07-21-2007, 06:57 AM
I think peta is a joke and vick should be gone, I think it tarnishes the image of the NFL not to mention the Atlanta Falcons. :coffee:

saltybuggah
07-21-2007, 07:11 AM
although i dont like peta all that much it is a way to be heard as broncosinindy intended

listen if you dont like peta dont sign the petition
if you love m. vick dont sign it
if you think youll wait for the trial to see what happens dont sign it

i for one signed it but i didnt use the pre written statement that was provided i simply used my brains and wrote my own statement of what i thought they should do. wow what a concept


i feel that they shouldnt convict the man before he is found guilty. it doesnt look good thou for vick in the eyes of the public because he or his party has yet to make any type of statement reguarding the situation. i know if that happened to me and i was innocent of all charges id use the media as a platform, but hey thats just me.

i wonder what clinton portis is up to these days, still got vick's back :confused:

Nomad Broncofan
07-21-2007, 07:57 AM
I do agree Vick shouldn't play until this situation is cleared or he's kicked out the NFL but I will not give my name and address to PETA. Soon you'll be getting literature, junk mail, and they'll sell your address to other organizations and PETA is an organization I do not support. The owner of the Falcons should put him on paid leave and let his due-process with the legal system. I think he's a lousy human being for even knowing of the dog fighting.

Ravage!!!
07-21-2007, 09:26 AM
ORIGINALLY I felt that Goodell had no choice but to suspend Vick based on the suspensions that he's laid out already for those that haven't been convicted or found guilty.

But then I was listening to some lawyers on ESPN radio, and they explained that you can get a grand jury to indict a 'ham sandwich' if you wanted. So just because their is an indictment against Vick in this case, means absolutely NOTHING as to his involvement. Seriously. This surprised me as well. The indictment is NO indicator as to his innocence or guilt concerning his involvement in this dog-fighting ring.

NOW.. that being said. If I'm judging based on the info I know (which is ONLY the info fed to me by the media...and from personal experience, I know that means SQUAT when it comes to the real FACTS ), I would say that Mike Vick DID know what was going on, and WAS involved and participated in the dog fighting ring. Thats using the logic of "REASONABLE doubt" and not expecting anyone to try and remove all doubt. You can't possibly remove all doubt.

SINCE an indictment means absolutely nothing, and an indictment can be attained so easily against anyone... then I do NOT believe Mike Vick should be suspended from the NFL.... YET.

Broncosinindy
07-21-2007, 01:05 PM
Formal charging document presented by the prosecuting attorney to a grand jury. The grand jury may then issue the indictment if it believes that the accusation, if proved, would lead to a conviction.
mova.missouri.org/cjterms.htm

The formal charge issued by a grand jury stating that there is enough evidence that the defendant committed the crime to justify having a trial; it is used primarily for felonies
www.youareinnocent-federal.com/legal_glossary.shtml

A formal accusation by a grand jury that charges a person with a crime. Indictments are used to bring more serious charges and are used in circuit court only.
www.courts.state.va.us/glossary_of_court\terms.html

What i am reading hear is this. That a jury heard the charges and whatever else they have on him would warrant to charge a person witha crime. now they have to go to court where his defense lawyers will be able to give there own witnesses cross examine others and dispute the facts. while it definelty doesnt mean he is guilty the feds thought they had a strong enough case to involve him. remember the feds prosecute up to 90 some odd percent of there Indictments.

Kapaibro
07-23-2007, 05:38 AM
Now, I'm not a big fan of most of PETA's tactic's or reasoning, but I do agree that for the good of the game, that Michael Vick should be treated in the same fashion as Pacman, or Chris Henry.

Suspension.

Pacman hasn't been convicted of anything, but has a 1 year suspension.

Vick has at least 47 charges in a Federal Indictment, and has received no censure by the NFL.

Tell Roger Goodell you disapprove.

PETA link (http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick)

tnedator
07-23-2007, 06:29 AM
Now, I'm not a big fan of most of PETA's tactic's or reasoning, but I do agree that for the good of the game, that Michael Vick should be treated in the same fashion as Pacman, or Chris Henry.

Suspension.

Pacman hasn't been convicted of anything, but has a 1 year suspension.

Vick has at least 47 charges in a Federal Indictment, and has received no censure by the NFL.

Tell Roger Goodell you disapprove.

PETA link (http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick)

I'm not sure I agree with Goodell's Judge-Roy-Bean approach to handing out suspensions.

Do I agree with what Vick did? Hell no. I love dogs and get pissed off when I see abuse, dog fighting, etc. Our dogs are treated practically as good as us two leggers in the house. My one poodle has had to ACL repairs, just had a benign tumor removed, etc. Whatever they need, we do. They are part of the family, so I don't like one bit what Vick, his family and friends were doing.

However, is that really a concern for the NFL? If so, where do you draw the line? Based on his retroactive handing out of 'justice' we could even have more Broncos on their way to suspensions with several having relatively recent DUI or domestic (or other) violence charges.

Should Kircus get suspended for getting into a fight and breaking (literally) someone's face? Should Marshall get suspended for preventing his girlfriend from getting into a cab or driving away, or whatever it was that happened where he got charged with?

Kapaibro
07-23-2007, 06:33 AM
I'm not sure I agree with Goodell's Judge-Roy-Bean approach to handing out suspensions.

Do I agree with what Vick did? Hell no. I love dogs and get pissed off when I see abuse, dog fighting, etc. Our dogs are treated practically as good as us two leggers in the house. My one poodle has had to ACL repairs, just had a benign tumor removed, etc. Whatever they need, we do. They are part of the family, so I don't like one bit what Vick, his family and friends were doing.

However, is that really a concern for the NFL? If so, where do you draw the line? Based on his retroactive handing out of 'justice' we could even have more Broncos on their way to suspensions with several having relatively recent DUI or domestic (or other) violence charges.

Should Kircus get suspended for getting into a fight and breaking (literally) someone's face? Should Marshall get suspended for preventing his girlfriend from getting into a cab or driving away, or whatever it was that happened where he got charged with?
I agree that Goodell has been heavy handed with the suspensions.

However I think 47 charges in a federal indictment is really something that needs to be addressed, even if it is as simple as the rumoured paid-suspension.

tnedator
07-23-2007, 06:46 AM
I agree that Goodell has been heavy handed with the suspensions.

However I think 47 charges in a federal indictment is really something that needs to be addressed, even if it is as simple as the rumoured paid-suspension.

One of the main premises of the legal system in this country is that a person is innocent until proven guilty. Indictments are not convictions.

That is one of the issues I have with Goodell's cowboy mentality. He is suspending people for things they haven't even been convicted of. So, should Marshall be suspended for scaring the crap out of his girl friend? How about DJ for drunk driving?

Where do you make the determination of when someone should be suspended for something they have been 'accused of' and when they shouldn't?

Should Sam Brandon have been suspended for two games for domestic violence charges from '04 and '05?

Where does Goodell draw the line? Does he start researching to see if any current NFL players stole a classmates lunch money in elementary school????

saltybuggah
07-23-2007, 07:36 AM
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=97727&highlight=vick

this was already posted kap but under a different header ;)

Kapaibro
07-23-2007, 07:38 AM
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=97727&highlight=vick

this was already posted kap but under a different header ;)
Roger that.

I'll ask a mod to merge.

Kapaibro
07-23-2007, 08:27 AM
If you don't want to associate yourself with PETA, here's a link asking Nike to drop their involvement with Vick (via the Humane Society)

Link (https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2007_dogfighting_nike?source=gaba7g)

Or join the ASPCA(Link) (http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer) , or Humane Society(Link) (http://www.hsus.org/) . Or lobby your congress to toughen penalties for EVERYONE involved in dogfighting.