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Kaylore
08-09-2007, 12:10 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/article_759.php
Kaylore's Camp Report 8/9 AM - All smiles
By Kaylore
Aug 9, 2007, 11:36

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Today’s camp was one of the best ones we’ve had so far. The players were allowed to go in minimal padding, but were asked to practice full speed in exchange for the reprieve. The team responded with some really positive effort on both sides of the ball and there were a lot of exciting plays.

The depth on the first and second teams of both units is pretty solid except for receiver. The result is some exciting, evenly matched situations you get to watch. Generally the defense had the upper hand, but it usually does during camp. There weren’t too many turnovers, but there were a few. The defense is pretty impressive on third down regardless of which team they are facing. They are also excellent at defending the perimeter against the bootleg and screens. The draw still gives them some trouble, though. We are also regularly running our own variation of the 46 Bear defense on obvious running downs.

I asked Shanahan about Scheffler’s timetable and his target game is Dallas. Lepsis and Hamilton both will be out for the Niners game. No word on Marshall or Moss, though Moss was walking around with his knee bandaged up. They’re going slow with him. Hamzah Abdullah had a tweaked hamstring and was out today. I think part of the pad-less practices have been because players are dropping with nagging injuries every day and it was time to let them come back.

Shanahan also said that his going to Dallas is motivated by a chance to play against some different players and to face the 3-4 defense. He says he likes to play teams that run that defense in the preseason so that his offense can practice against it. He also mentioned that getting go against Wade Phillips was a positive. He didn’t say this, but I suspect it’s a way of preparing the players for facing San Diego.

The team is really starting to come together emotionally. The defense was especially positive and they were joking and singing songs whenever someone on their team made a play. Everyone was in really positive spirits, but the Defense especially showed the type of warm camaraderie that you like to see.

I want to take a moment and talk about Javon Walker. He’s been having a lot of fun in camp. He jokes with guys and usually has a smile on his face. Today at the start of practice the receivers were working on their lineup. Brian Clark was playing the DB during the instruction and Javon kept dancing around in front of him. Then he’d poke Clark and say “C’mon, man! Do it” and he’d dance some more. He did it for like five minutes. It was so funny to watch. When asked about this during his press conference, Shanahan just said “you know, the more you can do…” and that got a pretty good laugh. I mention this in the hopes that those who are concerned that Javon is moping around all melancholy need not worry. I think he’s going to be fine.

Now let’s take a look at some of the different areas of the team.

Quarterbacks – All the quarterbacks played pretty well today. You can see them settling into the system and learning who their guys are and what they can do. I am especially impressed by the footwork and pocket presence that they have learned and improved on since the beginning of camp.

Jay Cutler: Jay Cutler had a pass that was picked off when he forced the throw to a covered Alexander and Cameron Vaughn got it. Other than that his reads were very good he’s doing a nice job of checking down and looking guys off. There are still some throws he tries to force. Sometimes he makes them and other times he really shouldn’t try. Most of the time he just throws underneath. Jay has really improved on third down. He’s also scrambling to buy time or take off when nothing’s open much more than even a week ago. He still needs to watch deflections at the line.

Patrick Ramsey: Ramsey has grown the most of any of the quarterbacks. He’s understanding where his guys are without looking and his accuracy is much better. His balls still seem to get away from him a bit, but overall I’m the most impressed with his growth over any other player, really.

Defensive Line - The line didn’t quite have the inside push that it had last time, but overall the pressure up the middle is still very good. The edge rush is ok, but not great. I think this is an area that will improve when Moss gets back. Against the run they are very stout. Screen plays are destroyed.

Amon Gordon: He’s really played well this last week. He’s getting up field and shooting the gaps and just generally playing very well. He also does a good job of getting his hands up. He blew up a screen play that ended up getting him an interception. He was praised quite a bit by the coaches today.

Elvis Dumervil: Elvis let Hackney go on a scramble at the goal line and Bates was pretty upset about it. He threw his hat down and pulled Dumervil from the field and I didn’t see him go back out for awhile.

Tim Crowder: I like his motor and his hands. He’s pretty string and does a good job of pushing his guys off their block. He still isn’t really explosive, but he is very consistent.

Linebacker – The linebackers played pretty well today. The runs to outside all were little to no gain or for losses. DJ is starting lead more on the field. He yells at the defense even when he’s not playing in the unit on the field and seems genuinely interested in seeing all the defenders play well. Cameron Vaughn had a good practice intercepting Cutler and breaking up some plays in the backfield. DD Lewis also looked good. Ian Gold was hurt after running down Andre Hall and getting hit in the groin, but he returned to practice.

Wide Receivers – The wideouts were getting open today and Cutler and Ramsey had some more opportunities. In fact the offense overall looked much better. I noticed…

Brian Clark: He’s starting to pull away from the other receivers. His hands are betting better and his quickness and speed is impressive – especially for someone his size. He made a couple of moves in some of the later situation drills that had Shanahan praising him aloud.

Domenik Hixon: Hixon also had a good day of practice. His speed is incredible and he’s making some nice catches. The best was on a long bomb from Cutler after Cutler was flushed from the pocket. It went for a touchdown. Foxworth did a great job hustling down field to try and make the tackle. Hixon is the fastest guy on the team, so seeing Foxworth sprint after him was impressive.

David Terrell: He is probably going to be cut soon. He had two drops in a row today and is barely noticed.

Quincy Morgan: Morgan is a player that is also very inconsistent. His fundamentals are pretty bad and he is inconsistent. As long as he can try and be a real game-breaker as the return man on special teams, I think he still will make the team.

Tony Scheffler: I realize he’s a tight end, but I’ll mention him here. He looked better today. He was a bit faster and quicker. He’s still thinking when he’s out there and needs to settle in a bit, but they gave him some reps on the first and second team offense, which is different from yesterday where he worked out on the third team.

Running Backs – They looked good today. They were playing with Mike Bell and Andre Hall in the backfield a lot today in every package. Mike Bell wasn’t that bad of a full back either, though he’s a better running back. Just another one of Shanahan’s wrinkles.

Overall the practice today was one of the best in a very long time. People seemed motivated and they were really enjoying themselves. Guys were joking and having fun, but not at the expense of practicing hard or losing focus. It was a positive day and I think one that shows the team is starting to come together emotionally a little bit.

Dream
08-09-2007, 12:13 PM
Gracias Kaylore. +10 Board Popularity to you! :P

rbk_bronco
08-09-2007, 12:33 PM
Thanks for the report, I was gogin to post one off of CBS4Denver.com but no use you covered alot more then they did.

Javalon
08-09-2007, 12:42 PM
As always, thanks for the report. :beer:

Jay Cutler: Jay Cutler had a pass that was picked off when he forced the throw to a covered Alexander and Cameron Vaughn got it. Other than that his reads were very good he’s doing a nice job of checking down and looking guys off. There are still some throws he tries to force. Sometimes he makes them and other times he really shouldn’t try. Most of the time he just throws underneath. Jay has really improved on third down. He’s also scrambling to buy time or take off when nothing’s open much more than even a week ago. He still needs to watch deflections at the line.

So, do you think Cutler is forcing a few balls because it's practice or do think he would make those same throws in a game? I'm just asking for your opinion since obviously we can't know for sure.


Defensive Line - The line didn’t quite have the inside push that it had last time, but overall the pressure up the middle is still very good. The edge rush is ok, but not great. I think this is an area that will improve when Moss gets back. Against the run they are very stout. Screen plays are destroyed.
I wonder if the defense will really be that good against the screen or if they just look good now since the Broncos haven't traditionally been big on the screens under Shanny. I do like that it sounds as if the offense is at least trying to incorporate a little bit more screen plays in there.


Ian Gold was hurt after running down Andre Hall and getting hit in the groin, but he returned to practice.
Gold came back, which is great. But were there any other injuries or did the minimal padding have the intended effect and keep most people healthy today?


Domenik Hixon: Hixon also had a good day of practice. His speed is incredible and he’s making some nice catches. The best was on a long bomb from Cutler after Cutler was flushed from the pocket. It went for a touchdown. Foxworth did a great job hustling down field to try and make the tackle. Hixon is the fastest guy on the team, so seeing Foxworth sprint after him was impressive.
How are Hixon's hands looking? His speed will be a great asset if he can consistently reel in the ball.


Tony Scheffler: I realize he’s a tight end, but I’ll mention him here. He looked better today. He was a bit faster and quicker. He’s still thinking when he’s out there and needs to settle in a bit, but they gave him some reps on the first and second team offense, which is different from yesterday where he worked out on the third team.
I would be surprised if he looked very good right now. The week and a half he missed, plus mini-camp, puts him at a huge disadvantage compared to the rest of the guys that have used all that time to get into the groove. I don't believe good football is something that can just be switched on, and thus the reason for training camp and preseason.

I'm just glad he's coming back now with plenty of time to get back up to speed before the games count.


Overall the practice today was one of the best in a very long time. People seemed motivated and they were really enjoying themselves. Guys were joking and having fun, but not at the expense of practicing hard or losing focus. It was a positive day and I think one that shows the team is starting to come together emotionally a little bit.
It's just a guess but I'd imagine the closer the game gets the happier the guys will be. It can't be super fun going against the same guys every day and I'm sure they want to knock heads with some new people.

Thanks again for your efforts with these reports! :salute:

Orange Cru$h
08-09-2007, 12:52 PM
I love good news! I can't wait til Monday!!! :fight:

Kaylore
08-09-2007, 12:54 PM
Javalon.

1. I think he'll force balls. As he makes mistakes and learns that will happen less, but he actually completes a lot of them, so it's not always terrible.

2. No one but Ryan Harris got hurt.

3. Hixon's hands are above average, but hardly amazing.

Zealander
08-09-2007, 01:25 PM
As always, thanks for the report. :beer:

So, do you think Cutler is forcing a few balls because it's practice or do think he would make those same throws in a game? I'm just asking for your opinion since obviously we can't know for sure.




This is what I was thinking... knowing how practice was to me I'm sure this is a completely different surrounding. Here when Jay practices he's got thousands of die hard Denver fans analyzing his every throw. Practice is practice guys, don't over analyze. I know it's a fun time to test your limits... I wouldn't have a problem with Jay dropping back into the pocket and thinking to himself "Ehhhhhh Javon is pretty covered lets see if i can lob this one over Dre's head herrrre."

Complete or not, it's not a big deal. Jay's still learning, so is much of the team. By the time the season rolls around, if our roster is healthy we will be a very scary team to play.

Orange Cru$h
08-09-2007, 01:26 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/article_759.php

David Terrell:[/B] He is probably going to be cut soon. He had two drops in a row today and is barely noticed.


I was really hoping this guy would step up. He was a first round eigth pick overall. He seemed like he could have been a steal. I hope he saved some cash from Chicago! :confused:

underrated29
08-09-2007, 01:51 PM
I was really hoping this guy would step up. He was a first round eigth pick overall. He seemed like he could have been a steal. I hope he saved some cash from Chicago! :confused:

YEAH, thanks kay, as i had asked that question before. dang, i also had hopes for terrell.

oh well. love these camp reports, thanks so much, and keep em coming if ya can. all i can do is cp you and say thanks, but i hope that will be enough.


ps. kay-does it look like travis has ever broke some long runs? you said the defenders wont take them down, but has he ever had some runs like td used to where he would reach the second level and he was gone? or is he just a 5-8 yard chunk runner?

Hawgdriver
08-09-2007, 02:33 PM
Patrick Ramsey: Ramsey has grown the most of any of the quarterbacks. He’s understanding where his guys are without looking and his accuracy is much better. His balls still seem to get away from him a bit, but overall I’m the most impressed with his growth over any other player, really.


At one point Ramsey had a bright future. It's good to see he's still working toward that dream.

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Linebacker – The linebackers played pretty well today. The runs to outside all were little to no gain or for losses. DJ is starting lead more on the field. He yells at the defense even when he’s not playing in the unit on the field and seems genuinely interested in seeing all the defenders play well. Cameron Vaughn had a good practice intercepting Cutler and breaking up some plays in the backfield. DD Lewis also looked good. Ian Gold was hurt after running down Andre Hall and getting hit in the groin, but he returned to practice.

I'm glad DJ is starting to assume leadership. I guess it really has to be him, for better or worse. I hope he can fill that role.


Brian Clark: He’s starting to pull away from the other receivers. His hands are betting better and his quickness and speed is impressive – especially for someone his size. He made a couple of moves in some of the later situation drills that had Shanahan praising him aloud.

To see him so high on the DC was a surprise to me. I thought Kircus would beat Clark for the position. Never a bad thing when the coach says something about your play for everyone to hear...what a huge confidence booster.



Overall the practice today was one of the best in a very long time. People seemed motivated and they were really enjoying themselves. Guys were joking and having fun, but not at the expense of practicing hard or losing focus. It was a positive day and I think one that shows the team is starting to come together emotionally a little bit.

Great reporting, Kaylore, thanks for taking the time to share it on this board.

Kaylore
08-09-2007, 02:35 PM
YEAH, thanks kay, as i had asked that question before. dang, i also had hopes for terrell.

oh well. love these camp reports, thanks so much, and keep em coming if ya can. all i can do is cp you and say thanks, but i hope that will be enough.


ps. kay-does it look like travis has ever broke some long runs? you said the defenders wont take them down, but has he ever had some runs like td used to where he would reach the second level and he was gone? or is he just a 5-8 yard chunk runner?

He has but it's tough to say how many since they don't do real tackles most of the time and just blow the whistle when a defender touches the ball carrier. Part of Henry's game is his tackle breaking ability and you can't really see that in practice.

8Smith0
08-09-2007, 03:24 PM
Thanks for the report! :salute:

DenBronx
08-09-2007, 03:46 PM
kaylore, you said that this was one of the best practices but seem to have something negitive to say in every area. was it really that impressive? if so, then what?

!ceman
08-09-2007, 04:21 PM
kaylore, you said that this was one of the best practices but seem to have something negitive to say in every area. was it really that impressive? if so, then what?

I'm glad you brought that up, it's probably one of Khan greatest strengths as far as reporting on camp. If all he brought was fluff he'd be no different than any of the beat writers. Khan reports what he sees, for better or worse. If Cutler has a bad day he calls it a bad day. When Brian Clark beat Champ deep, he called it like it was. When he says Dre Bly looks impressive and has come up with a turnover in almost every camp session... it b/c he's witnessed it and discussed it with some of the areas best.

I don't know about the rest of you but I certainly welcome the truth as opposed to straight and continual fluff. Thank you Khan!!!

Javalon
08-09-2007, 04:37 PM
I'm glad you brought that up, it's probably one of Khan greatest strengths as far as reporting on camp. If all he brought was fluff he'd be no different than any of the beat writers. Khan reports what he sees, for better or worse. If Cutler has a bad day he calls it a bad day. When Brian Clark beat Champ deep, he called it like it was. When he says Dre Bly looks impressive and has come up with a turnover in almost every camp session... it b/c he's witnessed it and discussed it with some of the areas best.

I don't know about the rest of you but I certainly welcome the truth as opposed to straight and continual fluff. Thank you Khan!!!
Not to mention if somebody on the team does something good is usually means somebody on the other side of the ball did something bad. That's the problem when your team is playing itself.

Of course, the reverse is also true and if somebody looks bad it usually means someone on the other side looks good. :D

But ignoring the bad plays would definitely not give a fair representation, just like most of "pros" give us in the paper. I like hearing some of the bad stuff because you know you're hearing a more realistic interpretation.

Thanks again, Kaylore!

!ceman
08-09-2007, 04:45 PM
Not to mention if somebody on the team does something good is usually means somebody on the other side of the ball did something bad. That's the problem when your team is playing itself.

Of course, the reverse is also true and if somebody looks bad it usually means someone on the other side looks good. :D

But ignoring the bad plays would definitely not give a fair representation, just like most of "pros" give us in the paper. I like hearing some of the bad stuff because you know you're hearing a more realistic interpretation.

Thanks again, Kaylore!

I talked with Khan early last week. He was concerned with Ramsey. Seriously concerned. SoCal and I both mentioned that it might be timing and getting accustomed to the offense. If you look at just Ramsey over the past week and a half you can see in his reports that Khan has focused on that aspect. Khan absorbs information from people around him and it sticks. I've told him several times that I'm impressed at how much he can see at each practice. I do well to concentrate on 3 or 4 players. Khan can watch a WR running a precise route and tell you if Jarvis Moss was able to beat Lepsis and if Cutler stepped up in the pocket or took a would be sack. I'm serious when I say he's one of Denver's finer young reporters. I think he'll follow in Cecil Lammey's footsteps and will probably, eventually have his own radio show/hour or something along those lines. I'd sure listen to it!

lex
08-09-2007, 04:52 PM
How have the the guys at safety and the back up CBs looked? Is Lynch getting beat more and more? What about Foxworth and Paymah? Does it look like Foxworth is pushing Bly for the #2 CB?

Kaylore
08-09-2007, 05:11 PM
How have the the guys at safety and the back up CBs looked? Is Lynch getting beat more and more? What about Foxworth and Paymah? Does it look like Foxworth is pushing Bly for the #2 CB?

Lynch and Hamzah weren't in practice today. Curome Cox had a good practice. He killed a drive by intercepting the ball during the "move the ball" scrimmage. Foxworth is getting a lot of work at safety in addition to corner and he's noticeably beefier. While Foxworth has made strides over last year, physically and technically, Bly has had such an outstanding camp (causing a turnover almost every practice) that he's not really pushing him. Paymah has really come on strong, but he makes some mental errors like lining up incorrectly and whatnot.

lex
08-09-2007, 05:15 PM
Lynch and Hamzah weren't in practice today. Curome Cox had a good practice. He killed a drive by intercepting the ball during the "move the ball" scrimmage. Foxworth is getting a lot of work at safety in addition to corner and he's noticeably beefier. While Foxworth has made strides over last year, physically and technically, Bly has had such an outstanding camp (causing a turnover almost every practice) that he's not really pushing him. Paymah has really come on strong, but he makes some mental errors like lining up incorrectly and whatnot.

Thanks for your response. What about Kuper? Im really hoping that guy brings a lot on the OLine. Does he look like he will be a big improvement over Cooper Carlisle?

Kaylore
08-09-2007, 05:18 PM
kaylore, you said that this was one of the best practices but seem to have something negitive to say in every area. was it really that impressive? if so, then what?

The players practiced hard and were in good spirits. They gave a good effort. Everyone was really hustling, encouraging each other, playing hard but also have a good time. There were big plays both way. That's what football is about! It was fun to watch.

There are some things to understand about camp. Every day they run different packages with different personnel just to get a feel for what players will do in those situations. That means running a certain play in a certain situation even when that play would never be called in a real game situation. They also run a lot of different personnel in routes and situations that you would never see in a real game. running a bunch of crossing routes in a soft zone is idiocy, but sometimes it's called just to see how the players handle it. Running Chad Mustard on a go route is ridiculous, but can he do it and how do the DB's defend it? These are the types of things that happen and that one must keep in mind when observing camp. Some of it is definitely looking for plays that work and players that can execute them, but a lot is also Shanahan tinkering.

Kaylore
08-09-2007, 05:20 PM
Thanks for your response. What about Kuper? Im really hoping that guy brings a lot on the OLine. Does he look like he will be a big improvement over Cooper Carlisle?

Well right now Holland is in there. Holland looked like crap the first day, but he's settled down a bit. I think they like that he has starting experience and they also want to see how Kuper reacts to the change. They need mental toughness. Holland takes plays off and I think Kuper has more upside, but we'll see. If Holland is clearly the superior player by the end of preseason then he should get the start, but I'd love to see Kuper get it.

lex
08-09-2007, 05:25 PM
Well right now Holland is in there. Holland looked like crap the first day, but he's settled down a bit. I think they like that he has starting experience and they also want to see how Kuper reacts to the change. They need mental toughness. Holland takes plays off and I think Kuper has more upside, but we'll see. If Holland is clearly the superior player by the end of preseason then he should get the start, but I'd love to see Kuper get it.

Interesting. Sometimes the veteran has more to prove and I wonder if thats why Holland is getting more reps. Kuper has been with the Broncos longer so they may be getting Holland reps to see if he will play himself into the mix. Im with you, I hope Kuper wins the spot. I think he could be good, whereas, Carlisle was decent at best. We need an influx of new talent on the OLine.

BTW, sorry for trucking you in the other thread. Youre not such a p*ick after all.

Kaylore
08-09-2007, 06:29 PM
I talked with Khan early last week. He was concerned with Ramsey. Seriously concerned. SoCal and I both mentioned that it might be timing and getting accustomed to the offense. If you look at just Ramsey over the past week and a half you can see in his reports that Khan has focused on that aspect. Khan absorbs information from people around him and it sticks. I've told him several times that I'm impressed at how much he can see at each practice. I do well to concentrate on 3 or 4 players. Khan can watch a WR running a precise route and tell you if Jarvis Moss was able to beat Lepsis and if Cutler stepped up in the pocket or took a would be sack. I'm serious when I say he's one of Denver's finer young reporters. I think he'll follow in Cecil Lammey's footsteps and will probably, eventually have his own radio show/hour or something along those lines. I'd sure listen to it!

That's really nice of you, but I'm not quite as flawless as you make it sound. I sometimes will have the player totally wrong and have to ask who did what on several occasions. I can see a lot things, but I'm not superman. :eek:

DenBronx
08-09-2007, 06:46 PM
I'm glad you brought that up, it's probably one of Khan greatest strengths as far as reporting on camp. If all he brought was fluff he'd be no different than any of the beat writers. Khan reports what he sees, for better or worse. If Cutler has a bad day he calls it a bad day. When Brian Clark beat Champ deep, he called it like it was. When he says Dre Bly looks impressive and has come up with a turnover in almost every camp session... it b/c he's witnessed it and discussed it with some of the areas best.

I don't know about the rest of you but I certainly welcome the truth as opposed to straight and continual fluff. Thank you Khan!!!



that's not what i meant iceman. in kaylore report he first said it was one of the better practices but in his report everyone seemed to be dropping balls, over throwing or simply not playing up to par. so i was just wondering what was so special if he only had poor play reports.

i was wondering what good plays or how the team was beggining to gel on both sides of the ball. however not just from kaylore but most other reports seem to say the same things.

but thank you kaylore for any added input you give us. i really appreciate it.

DenBronx
08-09-2007, 06:55 PM
The players practiced hard and were in good spirits. They gave a good effort. Everyone was really hustling, encouraging each other, playing hard but also have a good time. There were big plays both way. That's what football is about! It was fun to watch.

There are some things to understand about camp. Every day they run different packages with different personnel just to get a feel for what players will do in those situations. That means running a certain play in a certain situation even when that play would never be called in a real game situation. They also run a lot of different personnel in routes and situations that you would never see in a real game. running a bunch of crossing routes in a soft zone is idiocy, but sometimes it's called just to see how the players handle it. Running Chad Mustard on a go route is ridiculous, but can he do it and how do the DB's defend it? These are the types of things that happen and that one must keep in mind when observing camp. Some of it is definitely looking for plays that work and players that can execute them, but a lot is also Shanahan tinkering.




ok so your saying that shanny is starting to open up the playbook a lot more today huh? so do you think the players are starting to play smoothly thus far into camp with the new plays? i mean if our defense is looking really good im pretty sure this would transition onto the field against another team pretty good.

but like jav said. could it be the great plays of our defense or poor play of our offense. its just so hard to tell when were playing ourselves in training camp.


also from the reports ive been reading are we really going to scrimage the cowboys AFTER we play the niners? isnt that kind of silly? i thought scrimage games were supposed to be played before preseason.

!ceman
08-09-2007, 07:43 PM
That's really nice of you, but I'm not quite as flawless as you make it sound. I sometimes will have the player totally wrong and have to ask who did what on several occasions. I can see a lot things, but I'm not superman. :eek:

And he's humble to boot!!! :D

TXBRONC
08-09-2007, 08:30 PM
Javalon.

1. I think he'll force balls. As he makes mistakes and learns that will happen less, but he actually completes a lot of them, so it's not always terrible.

2. No one but Ryan Harris got hurt.

3. Hixon's hands are above average, but hardly amazing.

Like Elway before him Jay has a lot of confidence in that right arm of his so its not surprising that he's thinks he can squeeze the ball into the smallest of windows.

Kaylore
08-10-2007, 11:39 AM
ok so your saying that shanny is starting to open up the playbook a lot more today huh?
No, I'm saying that each day he has some offensive sets and schemes he wants to try. The whole playbook is installed and now they're playing with the pieces.

There is also no rule or precedent where scrimmages have to occur before preseason games.