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Kaylore
08-10-2007, 11:35 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/article_760.php

Camp was one of the hottest I’ve attended today but the emergence of some cloud cover late in the evening helped a bit. Camp also started thirty minutes later than originally scheduled for reasons I was unable to learn. Once things finally did start going it was one of pretty good practice over all.

Brandon Marshall: I’m sure by now everyone has already learned that Marshall was out and working out today. Since that is the hot topic of the day, I’ll address it immediately. Shanahan informed us that MRI showed the injury healed save for a bunch of scar tissue. Scar tissue is painful but harmless and needs to be worked loose through using the area. Marshall has never been injured before so his understanding of playing with pain versus playing injured was limited. He had never dealt with that before. Shanahan made him go out onto the field again.

He went through all the drills and scrimmages and made some nice plays. I was surprised how not-rusty he looked. Even with all the time off, right away he looked better than the other guys we had out there save Walker. I was totally amazed at how good looked. He was very fluid and his stride looks very good. He displayed great leaping ability. He wasn’t exploding off the line like he used to, and at times he seemed a little tentative, but he knew his routes and was getting open very consistently. Toward the end of practice he was running with a bit more confidence and beat Champ Bailey of all people on a deep post pattern that Jay threw. It was amazing especially for coming back so soon. I asked him about that play during his press conference and how it helped his confidence and he kind of gave me a “that’s juts what I do” kind of answer and then said Jay threw a good ball. The target game for him is Dallas or Cleveland. Shanahan said he’ll need two weeks to get back into football shape.

Kircus, Lynch, Warren and Ryan Harris were all out of practice with injuries. I think Hamza was too, since I don’t remember seeing him. Most of those were precautionary and Shanahan said many would have played if it was a real game week.

I’m going to just mention a few things.

Javon Walker: Walker looks great. He is positive and was high-fiving fans when he wasn’t on the field and was just enjoying his time. He also made some really great catches was having a good day overall. Toward the end of practice he had some pain in his knee and they took him out for precautionary reasons.

The defense has taken to singing a version of “Sexy Lady” by Yung Berg when they make a play. The chorus goes “Hey Sexy lady, It was nice to know ya. But I gotta move onnnnnnn.” The defense’s version incorporates a replacement of sexy lady for the player they just beat. So when they pick off Jay Cutler they all sing “Hey, Jay Cutler. It was nice to know you. But I gotta move onnnnnnnnnnn.” It’s nice to see the guys having fun with something like this. I know what you’re all thinking, and no: John Lynch doesn’t sing along.

Defensive Line

Tim Crowder: I’ve been noticing Tim Crowder more. He is playing very solid football. I like his motor. He gives a full effort until the whistle blows.

Ebenezer Ekuban: He made some great plays today. He gets a lot of work playing inside, outside and on every down and distance. He had some sacks and blew up some plays in the backfield. He had a good practice today.

Jarvis Moss: Moss is being brought back more and more into the practices and scrimmages. He is doing ok but looks about 75%. He over-pursued on a running play that Selvin Young busted back the other way for a score. He’s not as explosive as he was, but he’s making progress. I hope he can play in the Dallas game.

Sam Adams: He really made a bunch of plays in the backfield today. He had a sack and blew up some running plays. He’s easily the most impressive of our defensive lineman because he’s so big and so quick and fast. His only down is that he fatigues easily.

Amon Gordon: He is very good against screens. He broke to the outside on a screen and pretty much had the whole thing shut down before it got going. Another guy who is playing well but flying under the radar.

Quarterbacks – They played very well today. I think as people are getting healthier, they are having an easier time in practice of finding guys to throw to. Ramsey is the best at using a hard count to draw guys off sides. Cutler is getting better at it, but Ramsey is the best and I suspect it’s his experience. They are using that more. Cutler missed a few reads where he should have thrown underneath, but made some good throws and is using his scrambling ability to buy time since the inside push from the D-line is still causing problems.

Tight Ends – Scheffler is back and starting to get seperation and get open down field. He found a seam in the middle of the field where he was wide open and Jay thew it right in the numbers and he dropped it. He is coming back more gradually but his ability to pull away from the linebackers and safeties has me once again concerned about the quality at the Sam position. We’ll have to watch that in preseason games. Chad Mustard made some nice plays on the third team, as did Teyo Johnson. Johnson has poor body control and I think he plays sloppy at times.

Running Backs – All the running backs looked good today. Even Selvin Young had some good, hard runs. Mike Bell had a good practice as well. He had some really nifty spin and juke moves that he is getting down and he looked quicker in this practice than in others.

Defensive Backs – I want to talk about Champ a bit here. Bailey has had two days where he gave up big plays, which isn’t like him. I would say to this point that Bly has had a better camp than Bailey tot his point. Bly’s been more aggressive, more disruptive and more physical. One thing to consider is that the staff lets Bailey play off so he can spy the quarterback, but all the other DB’s have transitioned to a press coverage the majority of the time. I’d like to see Bailey press a little more. He has the size and athleticism to do it and it would really mess up the timing of the players. Jeff Shoate has supplanted Karl Paymah as the fourth defensive back. It probably had something to do with the slew of interceptions that Shoate has had the last several practices.

A good practice. With the guys getting healthier and both teams finding their rhythm a bit, I think we’re right where we need to be going into our preseason games. We have a ways to go and the wheat will be sifted from the chaff in the coming days.

MJCOSTEL
08-10-2007, 11:39 AM
Was at the Friday AM practice. Looked like he was 84.....years old and in the crowd. Training staff got the poor old guy out of there on the cart.

Hope I didn't give anyone heart failure but I couldn't resist.

A few things stood out while I was there. Sam Adams is large, impressive and disruptive. Did I mention he was large?

Nate Webster had several notable collisions with RB's and looked good. He did lose his helmet twice.

I did not see a lot of balls hit the ground. Recievers were making all the catches although I did not a lot of really challanging ones. I suppose that is a testament to the QB's.

It was my first Camp visit and was entertaining. However the problem is that if the Def is making the play the Off is not and vice versa. Its hard to get to excited if you look at it that way. Can't wait until regular season starts.

MJ

cutlerfan
08-10-2007, 11:39 AM
I look forward to your report everyday!

Thanks!

underrated29
08-10-2007, 11:41 AM
alright k, thanks again man.

you have got me pumped from all these. i just cant wait.

umm. i had thought from your reports, and maybe i just assumed, that paymah was doing so well, he surpassed dom as #3? did that happen? or he was just doing well, but still is #4 until now?

the singing thing cracks me up, but i think that it the thing that most excited me when you typed it. it to me shows that we have gelled.

remember the mile high salute, or the giants little ballen thing. usually when teams get together to do something like that, they are on their game and all are hungry to do their little celebration-whatever that may be.

i would love to hear it during a game, or that even be our new crowd chant--ok maybe a little carried away now, but still thats awesome.

jcdavey
08-10-2007, 11:45 AM
Was at the Friday AM practice. Looked like he was 84.....years old and in the crowd. Training staff got the poor old guy out of there on the cart.

Hope I didn't give anyone heart failure but I couldn't resist.

A few things stood out while I was there. Sam Adams is large, impressive and disruptive. Did I mention he was large?

Nate Webster had several notable collisions with RB's and looked good. He did lose his helmet twice.

I did not see a lot of balls hit the ground. Recievers were making all the catches although I did not a lot of really challanging ones. I suppose that is a testament to the QB's.

It was my first Camp visit and was entertaining. However the problem is that if the Def is making the play the Off is not and vice versa. Its hard to get to excited if you look at it that way. Can't wait until regular season starts.

MJthat's just cruel

blue diamond
08-10-2007, 11:49 AM
Marshall has never been injured before since he left Krypton, so his understanding of playing with pain versus playing injured was limited. He had never dealt with that before. Shanahan made him go out onto the field again.


Yeah right. Nice excuse for "Brandon Marshall is soft". Great to hear Shanahan forced him to suck it up, terrible to hear that he had to.

Kaylore
08-10-2007, 11:49 AM
Here's a link to the song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=419-SUgKA6c

underrated29
08-10-2007, 11:57 AM
why does his helmet always pop off like that?

one of these days he is going to hit somebody cause a fumble, and people or going to try to recover his helmet instead.

what a lunatic-

i like him.

TXBRONC
08-10-2007, 11:58 AM
Yeah right. Nice excuse for "Brandon Marshall is soft". Great to hear Shanahan forced him to suck it up, terrible to hear that he had to.

As said in another thread and will say it again he's not the first player this has happened too. Also Kaylore hit nail on the head. If a player has never had to deal with this kind of thing a little prompting from the coach doesn't mean he's soft.

CSU_stat
08-10-2007, 12:08 PM
As said in another thread and will say it again he's not the first player this has happened too. Also Kaylore hit nail on the head. If a player has never had to deal with this kind of thing a little prompting from the coach doesn't mean he's soft.


Very true.

If you've never missed time due to injury, how do you know when to sit out, and when to get back on the field? Shanahan just taught Marshall where that point is, and Marshall responded. If Shanahan has to do this again, then yes, there might be a problem. But first time? Nope, I think it was just a good lesson learned.

muse
08-10-2007, 12:44 PM
one of these days he is going to hit somebody cause a fumble, and people or going to try to recover his helmet instead.


Wait, that's an amazing idea!

Imagine...the Pigskins...their helmet has the same pattern as the ball, you get Nate in there and the opposing side try to recover his helmet. Awesome.

aaronheeb
08-10-2007, 12:46 PM
Thanks for the report Kaylore... I have not been able to make it to camp this past week and i heard on the fan that the croud today was pretty big. How many people are showing up now? I think i am going to go tomorrow and need to know what time i need to get there in order to get my seat @ the 45 yard line...

Hawgdriver
08-10-2007, 12:59 PM
Excellent as always, thanks for the report Kaylore.

After listening to the song, I would love to hear the the Bronco's version.

I wonder if the folks down on Marshall understand what it's like to play with pain. :salute: Brandon Marshall, now let's see you do your thing.

blue diamond
08-10-2007, 01:05 PM
If a player has never had to deal with this kind of thing a little prompting from the coach doesn't mean he's soft.

Kaylore said he's never been injured before. That's B.S. Everyone has been dinged up before and
Now for someone who has a chance and is being counted on to be the #2 WR on what could be a Super Bowl team, to not realize that he can play is ridiculous.

Everyone who has played football has been hurt. There is a difference between being hurt and injured, a quote used often by Shanahan.

If you don't think he is soft, that's your choice, but I think he definitely is. I don't buy that he has never been injured in his life.

Everyone has sprained an ankle and gotten a charlie horse, and known when they could come back. For Shanny to make him do it, wow is he soft.

blue diamond
08-10-2007, 01:06 PM
If Shanahan has to do this again, then yes, there might be a problem. But first time? Nope, I think it was just a good lesson learned.

This is not the first time Brandon Marshall has ever been injured, or did he just get off the the Krypton Express?





Brandon Marshall-WR- Broncos Aug. 12 2006 - 10:09 am et
Broncos WR Brandon Marshall was seen running on his injured right knee after the game Friday night.

Marshall is expected to undergo an MRI, but doctors found no evidence of a strained or torn ligament.

Well, looks like this isnt the first time he has dealt with a leg injury, and when or not to come back.

Brandon Marshall is soft.

bleedbluorange
08-10-2007, 01:23 PM
Kaylore said he's never been injured before. That's B.S. Everyone has been dinged up before and
Now for someone who has a chance and is being counted on to be the #2 WR on what could be a Super Bowl team, to not realize that he can play is ridiculous.

Everyone who has played football has been hurt. There is a difference between being hurt and injured, a quote used often by Shanahan.

If you don't think he is soft, that's your choice, but I think he definitely is. I don't buy that he has never been injured in his life.

Everyone has sprained an ankle and gotten a charlie horse, and known when they could come back. For Shanny to make him do it, wow is he soft.brandon is just young. He is worried about his career. Completely understandable. He hasnt shown me anything that would suggest he's soft. Give the dude a break.

Broncosfreak_56
08-10-2007, 02:08 PM
Brandon Marshall is soft.

Tell that to the Seattle Seahawks defense.:coffee:

mxbronco13
08-10-2007, 02:09 PM
Tell that to the Seattle Seahawks defense.:coffee:

They were soft too. :salute:

dare2bme
08-10-2007, 02:18 PM
Kaylore said he's never been injured before. That's B.S. Everyone has been dinged up before and
Now for someone who has a chance and is being counted on to be the #2 WR on what could be a Super Bowl team, to not realize that he can play is ridiculous.

Everyone who has played football has been hurt. There is a difference between being hurt and injured, a quote used often by Shanahan.

If you don't think he is soft, that's your choice, but I think he definitely is. I don't buy that he has never been injured in his life.

Everyone has sprained an ankle and gotten a charlie horse, and known when they could come back. For Shanny to make him do it, wow is he soft.

Since you didn't read it the first time, I'll say it again. He had scar tissue built up around his injury. Everyone has been hurt, but this is his first serious injury. Have you ever had a serious injury? If you had, you'd realize that the built up scar tissue makes it seem as though the injury isn't getting better, and it can be a very painful rehab process.

Pay attention. Until you are running with the big boys, keep your "weak" and "soft" comments to yourself. Your opinion isn't worth anything, especially if you are ignoring the facts of the case.

So, learn to read and respond with respect or take your 8 posts to another board.

mxbronco13
08-10-2007, 02:21 PM
Since you didn't read it the first time, I'll say it again. He had scar tissue built up around his injury. Everyone has been hurt, but this is his first serious injury. Have you ever had a serious injury? If you had, you'd realize that the built up scar tissue makes it seem as though the injury isn't getting better, and it can be a very painful rehab process.

Pay attention. Until you are running with the big boys, keep your "weak" and "soft" comments to yourself. Your opinion isn't worth anything, especially if you are ignoring the facts of the case.

So, learn to read and respond with respect or take your 8 posts to another board.

I've had to play on cracked ribs, 2 fractures in my spine, and 2 broken toes. :coffee:

underrated29
08-10-2007, 02:39 PM
I've had to play on cracked ribs, 2 fractures in my spine, and 2 broken toes. :coffee:



mx,

you wheelchair is ready.




j/k.


seriously though i dont care if he is as limp as a blind guy in a nudist colony, he does well when he is on the field and now he will be. of course lets hope he stays there.

Buff_bronc_fan
08-10-2007, 02:58 PM
Obviously Greek and Shanny know more about football injuries than I ever will, so I trust their judgement...

That being said, I can't help but think in the back of my head that everyone is being too impatient with Marshall. Maybe he's soft, maybe he's just had a bad string of luck the past couple years with injuries...

I would just hate for them to be wrong and see Marshall do more damage or have a lingering problem all year.

rbk_bronco
08-10-2007, 03:09 PM
Tell that to the Seattle Seahawks defense.:coffee:Exactly, I can't believe people are calling him soft, he probally didn't want to injure it again.

mb3playa
08-10-2007, 03:35 PM
. . . anyway enough about the softness of marshall (ridiculous that our own fans are saying this). i havent seen much about travis henry in your reports. is he not practicing or is he just looking average. he is the clear cut # 1 right?

Javalon
08-10-2007, 03:52 PM
Thanks, Kaylore!


As for Marshall, I would just say to reserve judgement on his being "soft" until we see if he does this again. Last year's doesn't count because he tore a ligament. But now that he's experiencing the scar tissue problem with muscles, hopefully he'll learn from the experience and tough it out a bit sooner if he suffers similar injuries in the future.

I'm glad to hear that he looked as good as he did despite missing all this practice. Let's hope he really does recover this quick.

Kaylore
08-10-2007, 03:52 PM
. . . anyway enough about the softness of marshall (ridiculous that our own fans are saying this). i havent seen much about travis henry in your reports. is he not practicing or is he just looking average. he is the clear cut # 1 right?

Henry is a case where he's been impressive every practice and hasn't played any differently than that. Since there has been no real change there, I haven't made mention of him. Henry is always impressive.

Hawgdriver
08-10-2007, 04:01 PM
Henry is a case where he's been impressive every practice and hasn't played any differently than that. Since there has been no real change there, I haven't made mention of him. Henry is always impressive.

What do you think about Henry's speed? Another member cited a source that showed he has 4.4 straight line speed, which seems maybe faster than many think. That's really fast... Have you noticed a second gear when he's open field?

Kaylore
08-10-2007, 04:26 PM
What do you think about Henry's speed? Another member cited a source that showed he has 4.4 straight line speed, which seems maybe faster than many think. That's really fast... Have you noticed a second gear when he's open field?

Yes, he's the second fastest running back. Andre Hall is the fastest.

blue diamond
08-10-2007, 05:58 PM
Everyone has been hurt, but this is his first serious injury.

So, learn to read and respond with respect or take your 8 posts to another board.


Wrong. It is not his first time being seriously injured.

Maybe you should try and use facts when you try to pull seniority on another poster, especially one that has already posted facts contrary to what you are about to say.

Brandon Marshall-WR- Broncos Aug. 12 2006 - 10:09 am et

Broncos WR Brandon Marshall was seen running on his injured right knee after the game Friday night.

Marshall is expected to undergo an MRI, but doctors found no evidence of a strained or torn ligament.

It turned out he slightly tore his pcl.

But like everyone keeps lieing to make up excuses for his softness...

"This is the first time he's ever been injured":rolleyes:

Javalon
08-10-2007, 06:29 PM
Okay guys, please keep it civil...


As I said earlier, he's obviously been injured before. But it could be his first time dealing with a large amount of scar tissue involving a major muscle. Shanny did the right thing and got him off his butt. If Marshall is a smart guy then he'll learn from this and he won't let this type of injury sideline him for so long next time (if there IS a next time).

If he does it again, and gets reprimanded again, then we've got problems. I'm willing to give him a mulligan on this one.

mb3playa
08-11-2007, 06:03 PM
Henry is a case where he's been impressive every practice and hasn't played any differently than that. Since there has been no real change there, I haven't made mention of him. Henry is always impressive.

gooood to hear:rockon:

Lorcust
08-11-2007, 06:21 PM
I've had to play on cracked ribs, 2 fractures in my spine, and 2 broken toes. :coffee:

Want a cookie?

BRONCOS_OWN_U16
08-11-2007, 10:31 PM
Want a cookie?

lorcust you are so hot, i cant stop staring at your avatar.

mb3playa
08-16-2007, 02:48 PM
lorcust you are so hot, i cant stop staring at your avatar.

:laugh:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH:laugh:

mb3playa
08-16-2007, 02:59 PM
lorcust you are so hot, i cant stop staring at your avatar.

:laugh:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH:laugh:

Hoserman117
08-18-2007, 10:29 AM
He needs to get his helmet glued to his face. Didn't he lose his helmet a couple times in that
49ers game?

Crazy :laugh: