Knowledge is power, please take the time to read this.

[Zealander]

Alright guys, not many things have more of my attention then the Denver Broncos. But please I would be overjoyed if I could bring this subject anew to any of you. I know this is a rather lengthy post but I promise you it is of great meaning. It will take you only a few minutes, and I have posted a 10 minute video here that I very, very STRONGLY encourage you to look at. Take the time, I promise if you keep an open mind that it will become time well spent because I believe the issue I will discuss is the most important and significant ever known to man.


As I said, not many things have more of my attention then Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall. But one of them is intelligent life existing outside of our world. Now PLEASE! DO NOT STOP READING. In my opinion this is the world's greatest problem, and we all know we have a zillion of them... It is that the popular culture pertaining to the "UFO" phenomenon as it is called is not taken seriously by the public, because each government around the globe for some reason unknown to me censors the documentation of UFO's on a massive scale. Just please listen to just a very little bit of what I have to say.

To all the folks who "believe" in evolution - and to those who don't just listen read and give this consideration, because to be in denial is to be ignorant. Now, seemingly the most important element for life as we know it is water. (Of course oxygen and nitrogen and insert other elements here). But lets talk about water. Now, because this planet holds large bodies of water... It has spawned all life as we know it. We evolved from from the sea, and over millions of years we are at the point of man at which we are now.

Think about our technology over the last 100 years, our advances have out shined all knowledge from the beginning of our intelligent existence. Now think about the strides we have made in the last one hundred years. In our infinitely large universe do you really believe we are the single only planet that contains water? - No, this is impossible. What a brilliant waste of space it would be. We have evidence that MARS did at one time contain water. Now think about an intelligent race, similar to our own. If this race came to a evolutional state similar to our own 50,000 (or 5,000 really...) years before ours, which is just a blink of an eye in the time scale of the galaxy. They would have technology that surpassed ours in ways that nobody on this planet can even begin to imagine.

I'm going to stop that argument here because I fear I will lose some readers. But here are a couple interesting points.

-There are about 200 million documented UFO sightings each and every year around the globe. This trend has been consistent since WWII, the period in modern history in which our world was at it's most critical stage. (WWII was also the time in our history where UFO sightings were at the highest rate, significantly). Here is where the naysayer brings up the argument, well how many of those are fake? To prove my point I will say all of them. All of the naval pilots, commercial airline pilots, our presidents (Carter, Reagan and Roosevelt that I know of)... Everybody who risked their careers and reputation on such a laughable concept... All of them were fake, except for one. One guy who had a genuine encounter with another life form not home to our world. Well then all the other "fake" encounters are void. That means intelligent life exists and they are here.

Now please, take the time to visit this link I'll share. I promise it is a very interesting and credible source.

Follow this website and watch this whole video, then I encourage you to click on the "download evidence" link and manipulate the picture for yourself. It is startling and is quite realistically proof of life on mars.

http://www.exoticworldart.com/ufodbase/index.php?topic=3818.0

Now I have watched a lecture, the "face" that appears in the mountain... the odds of that formation occurring on a natural geologically scale are precisely 1,000 billion, BILLION to one.

Look broncomania, I find that people who don't believe in intelligent life are the people in denial. But the people who do the research, who look past the surface... give the subject some THOUGHT, are the people who believe in this existence. There is truly overwhelming evidence towards the pro side of intelligent life. You just have to open your eyes. I strongly encourage everybody to visit the link I have displayed for you, manipulate the picture yourself. Even if some how you believe these to be some kind of phenomenon in which there is no logic behind the evidence of life on mars depicted here... This isn't the only source of information, there is loads of it out there. Take a look, it's very interesting.

[evendelae]

You honestly think that in a universe with 100 billion galaxies that a rock formation shaped like a face could not occur naturally? Probability is a nice way to refute earthly things, but honestly, when it comes to our universe, I'm inclined to believe that most anything is possible because the size is so massive. I do believe in aliens for that same reason. However, I think that you are being rather irrational. Life on Mars, if it existed, would have been single-celled. I don't have time to watch the lecture right now, so this is a response to what I can glean from your post. If I'm totally off base, I'll correct myself later when it is not 3 AM and I can watch the video.

[sneakers]

The possibility of people visiting us is laughable based on one reason......the distance between galaxies that could support life is unbelievably vast.

Why could I say this with such conviction?

The next galaxy is 700,000 light years away!! If you were a light particle (photon) it would take 700,000 years to get there. But as we all know thanks to Einstein that it is impossible to achieve lightspeed (you would need infinate energy). So even getting close to 700,000 years is hard.

Forget about worm holes, that is simply science fiction, you need exotic matter to keep a worm hole open for longer than 1/10000000000000000th of a second, and getting theorized exotic matter you need to travel hundreds of thousands of light years away to get that even.

The best shot an advanced civilization would have would be to be able to harness anti-mater energy (again, you need to travel great distances to get this stuff or manufacture it over a million years) and get to a fraction of lightspeed so that "Time dilation" can occur for the beings in the craft....but for that to work you would have travel about .99990 the speed of light.

Incase you could travel .99990 c, your beings would have a life expectancy of around 5,000-10,000 years to live through a one way trip.

Considering this people visiting us from other galaxies is pretty much impossible.

[Den21-Bal19]

The possibility of people visiting us is laughable based on one reason......the distance between galaxies that could support life is unbelievably vast.

Why could I say this with such conviction?

The next galaxy is 700,000 light years away!! If you were a light particle (photon) it would take 700,000 years to get there. But as we all know thanks to Einstein that it is impossible to achieve lightspeed (you would need infinate energy). So even getting close to 700,000 years is hard.

Forget about worm holes, that is simply science fiction, you need exotic matter to keep a worm hole open for longer than 1/10000000000000000th of a second, and getting theorized exotic matter you need to travel hundreds of thousands of light years away to get that even.

The best shot an advanced civilization would have would be to be able to harness anti-mater energy (again, you need to travel great distances to get this stuff or manufacture it over a million years) and get to a fraction of lightspeed so that "Time dilation" can occur for the beings in the craft....but for that to work you would have travel about .99990 the speed of light.

Incase you could travel .99990 c, your beings would have a life expectancy of around 5,000-10,000 years to live through a one way trip.

Considering this people visiting us from other galaxies is pretty much impossible.

The world was once considered to be flat, and at the centre of the universe..........

The speed of sound was a barrier that would never be broken............

All true, as far as knowledge at the time would allow............who's to say that Einstein's theory won't be proven to be wrong at some point in the future?

Work is already been carried out on anti-matter experiments, and have been for a few decades now ~ New York Times - 1981

And who is to say that intelligent life would have to come from outside of the galaxy, astronomers have found something like 130 Jupiter type gas giants, as detection technology improves, who is to say that more Earth-like planets won't be found?

I will say though, if I was an intelligent alien that observed Earth, I think I'd keep on going

[Zealander]

** Updated from after class**

To evandelae -

Well okay I mean sure... take that 1,000 billion, billion chance at probability. Sure it's possible. But multiple of these "faces" have occurred on the surface of mars.

I don't want to limit this discussion just to mars because I myself just stumbled on these findings and they by no means hold my bases for my beliefs in intelligent life. Definitely watch the video.

These are some more good ones that everybody owes it to themselves to watch. Whether you believe or not.

This video describes some different strange (impossible) geological formations on Mars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLma_QUcmWQ

This one elaborates much more on a different face that has also occurred from my original post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibXLTo71ypk&feature=related

This is good and very informative. Now we have two faces, that are formed in perfect proportion with eye sockets, nose, nostrils, mouth, chin... with roughly the odds of that happening at about 1,000 billion, billion to one. Furthermore - the age of these structures if made from rock or other organic material - would not hold their pristine condition over the test of time.


To sneakers -

Well sure it's impossible to travel across the galaxy... using technology known to ourselves. Nasa has proved that it is not only probably but possible to create a "fold" or wormhole in the universe that bends matter around in you such a way that makes travel over disgustingly large distances possible in the blink of an eye. This would give validation to the uncanny maneuvers and silent flight that the craft that visit us seem to have.

And on further reading your post, we know basically nothing about the universe. They could be anywhere.

I can't find the exact article I have once read that claimed it was absolutely possible. But here is an article that explains how space travel at "warp speed" is possible if we find ways to create a negative density, which is controversial to some minds in physics. But everything has been controversial at one point or another... We used to know the world was flat. We used to know we were the center of the universe... Imagine what we know right now. There is also lots of discussion of anti-matter if you are familiar with the substance. We have created it and it yields potential energy benefits that by far outweigh anything else we have explored. I believe I heard just a gram of it could power a large city for a year or something (don't quote me on that, but the point is the same... it's untapped and nearly limitless potential.) Here's NASA's write up on the theories of space travel.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/research/warp/ipspaper.html

Now just because we can't envision what this would be like, it in no way gives meaning to the counter argument that warped space travel is not possible. Scientific breakthroughs always spawn from things previously unknown.

Did you watch the video? It is just one of a thousand reasons why I believe there is something out there. People are afraid of the unknown I understand... afraid of what it would mean to our civilization if there is a higher power that we are helpless to prevent ourselves against.

I'm an engineering student and I have done a lot of research on this topic, the science backs up the theories. You just have to look. I wish I could type more but I am late for class. Hope to hear your responses, especially the counter arguments.

Edit ** Also thought I would throw in another picture of a "face" in here for you. http://www.coverups.com/photos/mars_face.jpg Notice how it is very realistic. The surrounding ground is littered with craters, but the face is relatively unchanged by them. If you look carefully you can see two nostrils at the end of the nose, eye sockets, chin... This is an untampered image sent directly from space. As explained in one video, NASA released a modified version of this to the media. They claimed they fixed the image for clarity, but what they really did was twist the high res with a low res to stretch, giving the face a significantly more natural look. The government goes to great lengths to cover these things up people, it is why we know so little. We have uncovered so many questionable formations on the surface of mars... yet our explorations have only photographed 1/1000 of the surface of the planet. Imagine what we have yet left to see...

And again, please don't think my basis for intelligent life spawns solely from life on Mars... It is really insignificant whether it's on Mars or anywhere else. I just think this is extremely interesting.

[Bronco_Armada]

I believe in life on other planets, as for them visiting us?

Don't know, would be interesting.

As long as they do NOT stick an anal probe inside me I'm fine with them visiting us.

[Zealander]

Does this really not interest anybody? Bump.

[Bronco_Armada]

Does this really not interest anybody? Bump.

Well until I really see some interesting facts/evidence all you can do is wonder, even at that you can only wonder for so long.

[draco193]

I certainly believe in alien life. If its just us, tats a pretty big waste of space. Too many chances for life to happen, too many planets and galaxies for there not to be something out there.

I do not hwoever believe in government cover ups. Democratic governments do a pretty poor job of keeping secrets, too much ability of the people to investigate(a good thing). Something this big would be too hard to cover up.

[Ravage!!!]

wow.. this is awesome.

I notice that the esa no longer has the image up on page 21, is it somewhere else from the esa site now?

You have to do a search for 'hale crater'... its on there somewhere. But this is amazing!

Of course its silly to think we are the only intelligent life created. Thats just blind to believe. This is amazing!

[Ravage!!!]

As far as the face goes.. I think thats just a natural occurance that happens. We can't see the scale of how big that mountain is. I find it hard to believe that a face is carved to look to the heavens that is the size of mountains. Things like that happen.

The images of the civilization I'm not denying... but the face.... I think thats just something natural.

[underrated29]

I cant watch the video. I only have two things to say

1. Lots of the UFO's that have been seen, especially the ones at night, are really infact pranks. I have some friends who are very big into RC helicopters. What they do is go out at night and put those little glow stick thingies, or someitmes paint, but they like the ones that flash. They put those on the blades of the RC heli's and fly them at night so all you see is the circular light. They fly in formations and hover and all sorts of stuff. It really is pretty amazing yet, funny to see, especially when cars pull over on the side of roads to get a look or video tape.

2. You UFO people probably know this, but for those who dont. Leonardo DaVinci ( I think it was Davinci) had some old paintings he did. Everyone knows who Davinci is right? and what century he lived in? Ok. anyway, in one of his old paintings in the top right...or left..cant remember, of the painting there in the sky is a silver flying saucer. Whats more is that some of the people in the street are looking up and pointing at it.

This painting is not about the ufo or the people, the painting was of a day in downtown italy or something. But when you look at each detail and car, and building and person, you can see two people pointing to the sky looking at the UFO.


Have a nice day.

[Zealander]

To Ravage -

When I saw these images I thought the same thing. I'm a little surprised to see how many people have discribed them as "photo error" and what not... As far as the face goes, I'm sure it's possible it's natural. The science team did say however (incase you did not read) that the chances of the face to be in proportion like that with that amount of detail and to be relatively undisturbed gives the odds of about 1/1000 billion, billion.

I found the hale crater on page 24 I believe, it was moved.

They have found two more "faces" that I know of on the surface. Here is another one, (also posted above).

http://alexis.m2osw.com/images/mars_face.jpg

And to everybody who wants to see facts, proof. Sure, you need to. But the truth is it's out there. You just need to look, I promise it's worth your time. I can't point everything out for you guys. As far as Mars goes, I found these images quite amazing really, as ravage put it. But there is so much other stuff out there...

To underrated - I'm sure lots - if not most UFO sightings are fake. But that insinuates that some are in fact real events. Does that not dismiss all of the other fakes out there? As people just being moronic?

200 million sightings each and ever year around the globe. Government documents (including our own) strongly insist they encounters of alien life.

Dating back thousands of years there has been a culture of UFO sightings all around the world. Cave paintings, paintings in general, biblical references... On his way to America Chris Columbus described a brilliant white light flying at uncanny speeds over the ocean... that he could only describe as an angel or demon.

There's thousands of first hand accounts, from air force pilots, commercial airline pilots... I have strong reason to believe the government goes to great lengths to cover up these incidents. One of which reason is that there is a clause the instructs all military and commercial air force pilots to, using the words "encounter a ufo" to describe in exact detail the shape, event and location... then you turn your report into your supervisor and are bound to not speak of the event to the public.

[BroncFanInPA]

The likelihood of intelligent life visiting us is inversely proportional to their level of intelligence

[BroncFanIN]

Star Wars?

Star Trek?

Jesus profile in a grilled cheese sandwhich?

Independence Day? (now there was a GREAT movie!)



Its out there...