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[Zealander]

You're very polite and kind.

If a race that advanced didn't want to remain hidden, then they would certainly have made themselves known. They have not done so. This leaves two options:

A) They don't want to be known.

B) They're not here.

If A is the answer and they simply don't want to be known, there is no way I can reasonably accept that we have seen so many signs of them, that we've seen them so often, that they've not figured out how to jam signals, steal film, create advanced virus programs that wipe out evidence, and so on. For all the sightings that go on they must either want to be known (which we can already rule out), or they simply aren't here - because there's no way an advanced race would be this technologically inept, this sloppy, and this nonchalant about getting caught if they did in fact, not want to get caught.

That really only leaves B.

I confess that it's possible that aliens exist and visit us frequently without detection and that the reports we hear and see of sightings and such are simply people being irrational - a coincidence to the actual presence of undetected alien life.

If that's the case however, it's a moot point.

If aliens are indeed here and can completely hide themselves from us, it doesn't really matter. They're obviously not going to harm us, nor are they going to interfere with us, nor are we ever going to interact with them on any level - because they don't want that to happen and because they're far too advanced for us to be able to detect them.





It's very possible that some race of beings has that technology. But again, if they have that level of technology, they also have the level of technology to make sure they remain undetected completely as well.



See above.



No, it's not really about having a space ship in a hangar. It's about reconciling how they have the technology they would have to have, but still wanting to remain undetected and then being unable to do so.

If they're that advanced and they wanted to stay hidden, they could. Thus, any evidence we have seen of them is because they allowed it. Thus, they don't actually want to be hidden. Thus, we should all have met them by now.

But we haven't.

Requirements for alien life to be observably present in our world:

1. They must have high technology.
2. They must want to remain undetected.
3. They must lack the ability to remain undetected.

Somewhere along the line, each of these facets cannot possibly be true. At least one, and potentially all of these requirements must be false.

Simply put, the theory doesn't make any sense. Somewhere along the way, one or more of those three required elements simply is not true. If any one of those elements is not true, the rest become either not true or irrelevant by default

Allow me to propose C.

Play along here, you're an ET and you have discovered Earth. A true Jewel, a gem of a paradise. With the knowledge you hold, you recognize how our species has beat the odds, and evolved in some sort of civilized manner. How fascinating and special! What to do with these earthlings?

Present ourselves and sing kumbaya together? Nope, I think the reaction would be objective. You're going to study us, and manipulate what resources we may be able to provide. I suppose this may be the abundance of water, and human DNA. We have large standing bodies of water, you alluded to the fact the presence of water on Mars and Saturn is nothing special because H20 is one of the building blocks of the universe. Surely, the quantities we possess are rare. To our knowledge, water is also a fundamental element in the preservation of life.

We are examined objectively, such an alien civilization we cannot understand or pretend to know what motives they can have for interaction with us. There is no way we would recover pieces of their craft, it simply isn't available. UFO technology can spin us in circles, the physics of our atmosphere present no difficulty in the slightest. We have no evidence, because if desired, we simply cannot obtain it.

[BroncoFanNC]

Why do the Aliens have to want to remain undetected? I mean, maybe they could care less if they come here, see we are no where near the technological or physical understandings they are at, and eventually move on.

Now, I'd say most, if not all of UFO sightings are just planes, balloons, or experimental military aircraft.

With all the Video Technology these days, a nice clear image I would think would have came forward by now.

They are currently trying to unlock a new dimension with the partical colliders, which could shift our understanding of everything.

Scientists at the CERN research center say their "Big Bang" project is going beyond all expectations and the first proof of the existence of dimensions beyond the known four could emerge next year.

http://current.com/technology/928307...-year-cern.htm

Now I have no idea what another dimension would do for known physics if anything. Maybe these particles will unlock ways to move vast distances, you never know.

It just seems shortsighted to think because we haven't done it, there is no way anything else could have.

[Zealander]

Why do the Aliens have to want to remain undetected? I mean, maybe they could care less if they come here, see we are no where near the technological or physical understandings they are at, and eventually move on.

Now, I'd say most, if not all of UFO sightings are just planes, balloons, or experimental military aircraft.

With all the Video Technology these days, a nice clear image I would think would have came forward by now.

They are currently trying to unlock a new dimension with the partical colliders, which could shift our understanding of everything.



http://current.com/technology/928307...-year-cern.htm

Now I have no idea what another dimension would do for known physics if anything. Maybe these particles will unlock ways to move vast distances, you never know.

It just seems shortsighted to think because we haven't done it, there is no way anything else could have.

Bravo.

Now, even if you say most UFO's are explained by planes, baloons etc... and they likely are. Even if one instance is alien spacecraft, we have proof. All is null.

Woohoo.

[Alastor]

Allow me to propose C.

We are examined objectively, such an alien civilization we cannot understand or pretend to know what motives they can have for interaction with us. There is no way we would recover pieces of their craft, it simply isn't available. UFO technology can spin us in circles, the physics of our atmosphere present no difficulty in the slightest. We have no evidence, because if desired, we simply cannot obtain it.

This is entirely possible, but again, it makes it moot - and it makes the speculation irrelevant because if this is true, we're not going to be impacted by them one way or another, we're not going to be able to do anything about it, and all we can do is deal with our environment and what it dictates - exactly as if they were not here at all.

If C is true, there's no conversation worth having, because any conclusions are irrelevant by default.

Why do the Aliens have to want to remain undetected?

Because if they were appearing with the frequency that reports would suggest, they would be a known entity to the vast majority of us. We'd have seen them. It wouldn't be "one dude out on a lonely island where no one ever goes."

If they weren't interested in whether we saw them or not, they would be far more visible than they are.

They are either attempting to remain hidden, or they simply are not here.



Extra dimensions: If aliens exist on a different dimension of the universe, we arrive at the same conclusion as we would if they were simply too technologically advanced for us to know about them: It becomes irrelevant, because we're not going to interact.

[Zealander]

This is entirely possible, but again, it makes it moot - and it makes the speculation irrelevant because if this is true, we're not going to be impacted by them one way or another, we're not going to be able to do anything about it, and all we can do is deal with our environment and what it dictates - exactly as if they were not here at all.

If C is true, there's no conversation worth having, because any conclusions are irrelevant by default.



Because if they were appearing with the frequency that reports would suggest, they would be a known entity to the vast majority of us. We'd have seen them. It wouldn't be "one dude out on a lonely island where no one ever goes."

If they weren't interested in whether we saw them or not, they would be far more visible than they are.

They are either attempting to remain hidden, or they simply are not here.



Extra dimensions: If aliens exist on a different dimension of the universe, we arrive at the same conclusion as we would if they were simply too technologically advanced for us to know about them: It becomes irrelevant, because we're not going to interact.

Well, it's different when you're that one man on the desert island. I've encountered two instances that left me with no other answers than UFO. They're here, I've seen em. Plenty of people of people say they've seen em. Statistically, a large portion of American's believe in UFO.

The speculation doesn't leave me with the resolution of an irrelevant subject. That would destine everybody to ignorance. The truth is out there, just because your turn a blind eye to it doesn't make it any less real.

[underrated29]

Why would they come here then. If a race is sooooooooooooo much further advanced than we are. Why would they come here? To study us? I suppose but what is the point. And why fly a craft into our atmosphere. If they are so far advanced and can travel distances that we can not even comprehend as real. Then they would also have the means to observe us from afar. Like we use satellites.

Also there is nothing here for them. IF they Are able to move these great distances then they are also capable of finding/getting any resource they need. Infact, they could probably generate/ grow their own resources. Why travel to other dimensions, vast distances for something like water when A) It is also somehwere else in the universe closer to home and B) very easily made. We can make water, and recycle it...So an advanced specie certainly is able to that and much more. If they are that advanced then they have everything they need already. Basically the only thing left for them to do is observe and report.

On the off chance that we do possess some rare mineral of something on our planet. They would come in and take it. not play shadow games and hide and seek or anything else.

The one exception I can think to that is that they do not have a way to adhere to our atmosphere. Weather that be by temperature, breathing ability, or even germs/reactions. BUt it would make sense that as advanced as they are they could pretty quickly conjure up ways to get around that....hence obductions.....ooooh.

[Zealander]

Why would they come here then. If a race is sooooooooooooo much further advanced than we are. Why would they come here? To study us? I suppose but what is the point. And why fly a craft into our atmosphere. If they are so far advanced and can travel distances that we can not even comprehend as real. Then they would also have the means to observe us from afar. Like we use satellites.

Also there is nothing here for them. IF they Are able to move these great distances then they are also capable of finding/getting any resource they need. Infact, they could probably generate/ grow their own resources. Why travel to other dimensions, vast distances for something like water when A) It is also somehwere else in the universe closer to home and B) very easily made. We can make water, and recycle it...So an advanced specie certainly is able to that and much more. If they are that advanced then they have everything they need already. Basically the only thing left for them to do is observe and report.

On the off chance that we do possess some rare mineral of something on our planet. They would come in and take it. not play shadow games and hide and seek or anything else.

The one exception I can think to that is that they do not have a way to adhere to our atmosphere. Weather that be by temperature, breathing ability, or even germs/reactions. BUt it would make sense that as advanced as they are they could pretty quickly conjure up ways to get around that....hence obductions.....ooooh.

You know I can't answer that... Can't speak for the motives of a race not my own. Never the less, the evidence is all around us. Why do anything?

Think if they have conquered space travel they would just throw in the towel and play with their space wanks all day? The universe is a dynamic reality, constantly changing. You can't define all the variables of space, existence, reality. I hardly think conquering space travel gives you the answers to the questions of all existence.

There could be many reasons for travel, even simple curiosity. Realizing the expanse of space from experience, surely alien life would recognize the miracle of evolution we have progressed here on earth. I don't believe there is any element on earth they would desire, as you say. There will be abundance of any mineral we find on earth scattered throughout the universe. So no, I can't define an objective with us. There are thousands of people who believe they've come into close contact and the aliens have an agenda with our race. Many suggest a hybrid breeding program, which may seem silly...

It could make sense if you think about it from a sort of livestock/slave/advancement of their own sciences endeavor. Your technology has come this far, why not run a few experiments and see what kind of biological beings we can conjure up with the monkeys? I don't know man...

[underrated29]

Many suggest a hybrid breeding program, which may seem silly...

It could make sense if you think about it from a sort of livestock/slave/advancement of their own sciences endeavor.

slaves, or maybe they are like bees. and are clones and their bodies/species is dying out and need our bodies to sustain life...kinda like the movie stargate, or maybe like the movie avatar- try to make a human suit so they can walk and live amongst us.

[LarryDean]

When I seen this thread I thought it was about the NASA news conference tomorrow ...

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...ed-alien-life/

A NASA press release announcing "an astrobiology finding" -- something that will impact the search for extraterrestrial life -- has sent shockwaves through the blogosphere.