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  • LarryDean
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    When I seen this thread I thought it was about the NASA news conference tomorrow ...

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...ed-alien-life/

    A NASA press release announcing "an astrobiology finding" -- something that will impact the search for extraterrestrial life -- has sent shockwaves through the blogosphere.

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  • underrated29
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    Originally posted by Zealander View Post
    Many suggest a hybrid breeding program, which may seem silly...

    It could make sense if you think about it from a sort of livestock/slave/advancement of their own sciences endeavor.

    slaves, or maybe they are like bees. and are clones and their bodies/species is dying out and need our bodies to sustain life...kinda like the movie stargate, or maybe like the movie avatar- try to make a human suit so they can walk and live amongst us.

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  • Zealander
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    Originally posted by underrated29 View Post
    Why would they come here then. If a race is sooooooooooooo much further advanced than we are. Why would they come here? To study us? I suppose but what is the point. And why fly a craft into our atmosphere. If they are so far advanced and can travel distances that we can not even comprehend as real. Then they would also have the means to observe us from afar. Like we use satellites.

    Also there is nothing here for them. IF they Are able to move these great distances then they are also capable of finding/getting any resource they need. Infact, they could probably generate/ grow their own resources. Why travel to other dimensions, vast distances for something like water when A) It is also somehwere else in the universe closer to home and B) very easily made. We can make water, and recycle it...So an advanced specie certainly is able to that and much more. If they are that advanced then they have everything they need already. Basically the only thing left for them to do is observe and report.

    On the off chance that we do possess some rare mineral of something on our planet. They would come in and take it. not play shadow games and hide and seek or anything else.

    The one exception I can think to that is that they do not have a way to adhere to our atmosphere. Weather that be by temperature, breathing ability, or even germs/reactions. BUt it would make sense that as advanced as they are they could pretty quickly conjure up ways to get around that....hence obductions.....ooooh.
    You know I can't answer that... Can't speak for the motives of a race not my own. Never the less, the evidence is all around us. Why do anything?

    Think if they have conquered space travel they would just throw in the towel and play with their space wanks all day? The universe is a dynamic reality, constantly changing. You can't define all the variables of space, existence, reality. I hardly think conquering space travel gives you the answers to the questions of all existence.

    There could be many reasons for travel, even simple curiosity. Realizing the expanse of space from experience, surely alien life would recognize the miracle of evolution we have progressed here on earth. I don't believe there is any element on earth they would desire, as you say. There will be abundance of any mineral we find on earth scattered throughout the universe. So no, I can't define an objective with us. There are thousands of people who believe they've come into close contact and the aliens have an agenda with our race. Many suggest a hybrid breeding program, which may seem silly...

    It could make sense if you think about it from a sort of livestock/slave/advancement of their own sciences endeavor. Your technology has come this far, why not run a few experiments and see what kind of biological beings we can conjure up with the monkeys? I don't know man...

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  • underrated29
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    Why would they come here then. If a race is sooooooooooooo much further advanced than we are. Why would they come here? To study us? I suppose but what is the point. And why fly a craft into our atmosphere. If they are so far advanced and can travel distances that we can not even comprehend as real. Then they would also have the means to observe us from afar. Like we use satellites.

    Also there is nothing here for them. IF they Are able to move these great distances then they are also capable of finding/getting any resource they need. Infact, they could probably generate/ grow their own resources. Why travel to other dimensions, vast distances for something like water when A) It is also somehwere else in the universe closer to home and B) very easily made. We can make water, and recycle it...So an advanced specie certainly is able to that and much more. If they are that advanced then they have everything they need already. Basically the only thing left for them to do is observe and report.

    On the off chance that we do possess some rare mineral of something on our planet. They would come in and take it. not play shadow games and hide and seek or anything else.

    The one exception I can think to that is that they do not have a way to adhere to our atmosphere. Weather that be by temperature, breathing ability, or even germs/reactions. BUt it would make sense that as advanced as they are they could pretty quickly conjure up ways to get around that....hence obductions.....ooooh.

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  • Zealander
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    Originally posted by Alastor View Post
    This is entirely possible, but again, it makes it moot - and it makes the speculation irrelevant because if this is true, we're not going to be impacted by them one way or another, we're not going to be able to do anything about it, and all we can do is deal with our environment and what it dictates - exactly as if they were not here at all.

    If C is true, there's no conversation worth having, because any conclusions are irrelevant by default.



    Because if they were appearing with the frequency that reports would suggest, they would be a known entity to the vast majority of us. We'd have seen them. It wouldn't be "one dude out on a lonely island where no one ever goes."

    If they weren't interested in whether we saw them or not, they would be far more visible than they are.

    They are either attempting to remain hidden, or they simply are not here.



    Extra dimensions: If aliens exist on a different dimension of the universe, we arrive at the same conclusion as we would if they were simply too technologically advanced for us to know about them: It becomes irrelevant, because we're not going to interact.
    Well, it's different when you're that one man on the desert island. I've encountered two instances that left me with no other answers than UFO. They're here, I've seen em. Plenty of people of people say they've seen em. Statistically, a large portion of American's believe in UFO.

    The speculation doesn't leave me with the resolution of an irrelevant subject. That would destine everybody to ignorance. The truth is out there, just because your turn a blind eye to it doesn't make it any less real.

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  • Alastor
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    Originally posted by Zealander View Post
    Allow me to propose C.

    We are examined objectively, such an alien civilization we cannot understand or pretend to know what motives they can have for interaction with us. There is no way we would recover pieces of their craft, it simply isn't available. UFO technology can spin us in circles, the physics of our atmosphere present no difficulty in the slightest. We have no evidence, because if desired, we simply cannot obtain it.
    This is entirely possible, but again, it makes it moot - and it makes the speculation irrelevant because if this is true, we're not going to be impacted by them one way or another, we're not going to be able to do anything about it, and all we can do is deal with our environment and what it dictates - exactly as if they were not here at all.

    If C is true, there's no conversation worth having, because any conclusions are irrelevant by default.

    Originally posted by BroncoFanNC View Post
    Why do the Aliens have to want to remain undetected?
    Because if they were appearing with the frequency that reports would suggest, they would be a known entity to the vast majority of us. We'd have seen them. It wouldn't be "one dude out on a lonely island where no one ever goes."

    If they weren't interested in whether we saw them or not, they would be far more visible than they are.

    They are either attempting to remain hidden, or they simply are not here.



    Extra dimensions: If aliens exist on a different dimension of the universe, we arrive at the same conclusion as we would if they were simply too technologically advanced for us to know about them: It becomes irrelevant, because we're not going to interact.

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  • Zealander
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    Originally posted by BroncoFanNC View Post
    Why do the Aliens have to want to remain undetected? I mean, maybe they could care less if they come here, see we are no where near the technological or physical understandings they are at, and eventually move on.

    Now, I'd say most, if not all of UFO sightings are just planes, balloons, or experimental military aircraft.

    With all the Video Technology these days, a nice clear image I would think would have came forward by now.

    They are currently trying to unlock a new dimension with the partical colliders, which could shift our understanding of everything.



    http://current.com/technology/928307...-year-cern.htm

    Now I have no idea what another dimension would do for known physics if anything. Maybe these particles will unlock ways to move vast distances, you never know.

    It just seems shortsighted to think because we haven't done it, there is no way anything else could have.
    Bravo.

    Now, even if you say most UFO's are explained by planes, baloons etc... and they likely are. Even if one instance is alien spacecraft, we have proof. All is null.

    Woohoo.

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  • BroncoFanNC
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    Why do the Aliens have to want to remain undetected? I mean, maybe they could care less if they come here, see we are no where near the technological or physical understandings they are at, and eventually move on.

    Now, I'd say most, if not all of UFO sightings are just planes, balloons, or experimental military aircraft.

    With all the Video Technology these days, a nice clear image I would think would have came forward by now.

    They are currently trying to unlock a new dimension with the partical colliders, which could shift our understanding of everything.

    Scientists at the CERN research center say their "Big Bang" project is going beyond all expectations and the first proof of the existence of dimensions beyond the known four could emerge next year.
    http://current.com/technology/928307...-year-cern.htm

    Now I have no idea what another dimension would do for known physics if anything. Maybe these particles will unlock ways to move vast distances, you never know.

    It just seems shortsighted to think because we haven't done it, there is no way anything else could have.

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  • Zealander
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    Originally posted by Alastor View Post
    You're very polite and kind.

    If a race that advanced didn't want to remain hidden, then they would certainly have made themselves known. They have not done so. This leaves two options:

    A) They don't want to be known.

    B) They're not here.

    If A is the answer and they simply don't want to be known, there is no way I can reasonably accept that we have seen so many signs of them, that we've seen them so often, that they've not figured out how to jam signals, steal film, create advanced virus programs that wipe out evidence, and so on. For all the sightings that go on they must either want to be known (which we can already rule out), or they simply aren't here - because there's no way an advanced race would be this technologically inept, this sloppy, and this nonchalant about getting caught if they did in fact, not want to get caught.

    That really only leaves B.

    I confess that it's possible that aliens exist and visit us frequently without detection and that the reports we hear and see of sightings and such are simply people being irrational - a coincidence to the actual presence of undetected alien life.

    If that's the case however, it's a moot point.

    If aliens are indeed here and can completely hide themselves from us, it doesn't really matter. They're obviously not going to harm us, nor are they going to interfere with us, nor are we ever going to interact with them on any level - because they don't want that to happen and because they're far too advanced for us to be able to detect them.





    It's very possible that some race of beings has that technology. But again, if they have that level of technology, they also have the level of technology to make sure they remain undetected completely as well.



    See above.



    No, it's not really about having a space ship in a hangar. It's about reconciling how they have the technology they would have to have, but still wanting to remain undetected and then being unable to do so.

    If they're that advanced and they wanted to stay hidden, they could. Thus, any evidence we have seen of them is because they allowed it. Thus, they don't actually want to be hidden. Thus, we should all have met them by now.

    But we haven't.

    Requirements for alien life to be observably present in our world:

    1. They must have high technology.
    2. They must want to remain undetected.
    3. They must lack the ability to remain undetected.

    Somewhere along the line, each of these facets cannot possibly be true. At least one, and potentially all of these requirements must be false.

    Simply put, the theory doesn't make any sense. Somewhere along the way, one or more of those three required elements simply is not true. If any one of those elements is not true, the rest become either not true or irrelevant by default
    Allow me to propose C.

    Play along here, you're an ET and you have discovered Earth. A true Jewel, a gem of a paradise. With the knowledge you hold, you recognize how our species has beat the odds, and evolved in some sort of civilized manner. How fascinating and special! What to do with these earthlings?

    Present ourselves and sing kumbaya together? Nope, I think the reaction would be objective. You're going to study us, and manipulate what resources we may be able to provide. I suppose this may be the abundance of water, and human DNA. We have large standing bodies of water, you alluded to the fact the presence of water on Mars and Saturn is nothing special because H20 is one of the building blocks of the universe. Surely, the quantities we possess are rare. To our knowledge, water is also a fundamental element in the preservation of life.

    We are examined objectively, such an alien civilization we cannot understand or pretend to know what motives they can have for interaction with us. There is no way we would recover pieces of their craft, it simply isn't available. UFO technology can spin us in circles, the physics of our atmosphere present no difficulty in the slightest. We have no evidence, because if desired, we simply cannot obtain it.

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  • Alastor
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    Originally posted by Zealander View Post
    I would appreciate a response to my following inquiries, and would enjoy seeing your views what on what is to be valued in a leader in the thread "Players laughing on the sideline, before/after a loss" posted in GD.
    You're very polite and kind.

    UFO space craft a fallacy? Misleading? Sure, we don't have evidence. I think the thought that an alien spacecraft that can conquer the mind numbing expanse of space, only to crashland on earth, A "Roswell" incident is a fallacy.
    Okay, then on this we agree.

    It's ridiculous to think the physics of our own atmosphere would cause a crash landing after such a technological feat as pioneering the vastness of space.
    Well, as we know from experience, we all make mistakes. At the same time it's pretty unlikely. Once? Twice? Maybe. But presumably such advanced people would come get it before we got a-hold of it as well.

    For perspective, I examine human history. Now I figure we've been an "intelligent race" for about 14,000 years. In the last 60 years, we have sent a man to the moon, and our most recent adventure that has my interest is we have investigated one of Saturns moon's we suspected to have similar atomospheric conditions as our own. Well we found water,

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35313176..._science-space

    So, we have found evidence of water on Saturn's moon, and Mars. Pretty incredible considering both are relatively on our own front doorstep.
    Water's not all that complex though. Two of the most common atoms in the known universe.

    I just don't think it's fair to write off UFO technology as preposterous when a bunch of us people have come from boosting a rocket to the moon from fossil fuels to finely projecting our machines past planets to expand our reaches of space essentially in the last sixty years... In what I consider a lackluster (could be greater) space program.
    Oh, I agree with that, and perhaps my phrasing above wasn't entirely accurate. I think it's entirely possible that life exists and knows of us.

    I think it's pretty far-fetched that they on one hand have not come out to speak to us, and on the other we have seen them, tracked them, and found pieces of them and their crafts. This is especially true when we look at the frequency of such "finds."

    If a race that advanced didn't want to remain hidden, then they would certainly have made themselves known. They have not done so. This leaves two options:

    A) They don't want to be known.

    B) They're not here.

    If A is the answer and they simply don't want to be known, there is no way I can reasonably accept that we have seen so many signs of them, that we've seen them so often, that they've not figured out how to jam signals, steal film, create advanced virus programs that wipe out evidence, and so on. For all the sightings that go on they must either want to be known (which we can already rule out), or they simply aren't here - because there's no way an advanced race would be this technologically inept, this sloppy, and this nonchalant about getting caught if they did in fact, not want to get caught.

    That really only leaves B.

    I confess that it's possible that aliens exist and visit us frequently without detection and that the reports we hear and see of sightings and such are simply people being irrational - a coincidence to the actual presence of undetected alien life.

    If that's the case however, it's a moot point.

    If aliens are indeed here and can completely hide themselves from us, it doesn't really matter. They're obviously not going to harm us, nor are they going to interfere with us, nor are we ever going to interact with them on any level - because they don't want that to happen and because they're far too advanced for us to be able to detect them.



    The possibilities of UFO's to use gravitational pull from planets and suns to skip along the universe and conquer millions of light years seems possible if an intelligent race has been exploring this possibilities on a time scale we haven't matured to yet. I mean, what if this was the goal of a civilization for tens of thousands of years?
    It's very possible that some race of beings has that technology. But again, if they have that level of technology, they also have the level of technology to make sure they remain undetected completely as well.

    So I am quite curious, what about the prospect of UFO technology do you to be considered fallacy?
    See above.

    Because we don't have a space ship in our own hangar?
    No, it's not really about having a space ship in a hangar. It's about reconciling how they have the technology they would have to have, but still wanting to remain undetected and then being unable to do so.

    If they're that advanced and they wanted to stay hidden, they could. Thus, any evidence we have seen of them is because they allowed it. Thus, they don't actually want to be hidden. Thus, we should all have met them by now.

    But we haven't.

    Requirements for alien life to be observably present in our world:

    1. They must have high technology.
    2. They must want to remain undetected.
    3. They must lack the ability to remain undetected.

    Somewhere along the line, each of these facets cannot possibly be true. At least one, and potentially all of these requirements must be false.

    Simply put, the theory doesn't make any sense. Somewhere along the way, one or more of those three required elements simply is not true. If any one of those elements is not true, the rest become either not true or irrelevant by default.

    It is not possible that aliens visit us, that they want to remain undetected, yet we detect them all the time despite what they want. That's just not a very sound theory.

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  • Zealander
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    Originally posted by Alastor View Post
    A very good and reasonable response, Zealander.

    I like you - and no, that's not a trick. What I've seen of you so far seems genuine and intelligent.





    I pretty much believe that intelligent life other than our own has to exist someplace. As you point out, in all the billions of galaxies, with billions of stars in each, with many planets around each star, eventually we're going to find something that is alive other than ourselves.

    But do I believe in UFOs as space ships? No. It's preposterous. It's such an incredibly nonsensical theory from top to bottom that I find it ridiculous. It's an inherent logical fallacy that doesn't stand the test of reason.

    No, I do not believe we have space ships visiting us from other planets, nor do I believe we have alien bodies stored away in a freezer. We might have some weird stuff we've never been able to identify, but I don't think they were space aliens.

    That's ludicrous on so many levels that my fingers hurt just thinking about typing out all the logical fallacies that go into UFO conspiracies.

    If you want me to elaborate, I will. But perhaps you'd prefer to simply accept my answer, disagree with it, and send me on my way too. The option is yours. If asked for elaboration I will. If not, I'll get out of the way.

    Good response above though, Zealander. Very cool.

    Best wishes.
    I would appreciate a response to my following inquiries, and would enjoy seeing your views what on what is to be valued in a leader in the thread "Players laughing on the sideline, before/after a loss" posted in GD.

    UFO space craft a fallacy? Misleading? Sure, we don't have evidence. I think the thought that an alien spacecraft that can conquer the mind numbing expanse of space, only to crashland on earth, A "Roswell" incident is a fallacy. It's ridiculous to think the physics of our own atmosphere would cause a crash landing after such a technological feat as pioneering the vastness of space.

    For perspective, I examine human history. Now I figure we've been an "intelligent race" for about 14,000 years. In the last 60 years, we have sent a man to the moon, and our most recent adventure that has my interest is we have investigated one of Saturns moon's we suspected to have similar atomospheric conditions as our own. Well we found water,

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35313176..._science-space

    So, we have found evidence of water on Saturn's moon, and Mars. Pretty incredible considering both are relatively on our own front doorstep.

    Today, our space program takes a back seat in federal budgeting. Apparently it's in our best interest to sign off on large corporate bail outs, (add nausea and politics, budgeting). With 3.5 billion dollars we sent a probe to Saturn's moon. I was watching a special on the history channel that fascinated me, we actually sent the probe back to Venus, to use it's gravitational force to sling shot the satellite or whatever you'll call it, past earth, again passing close enough by the planet to use the gravitational pull to slingshot. By the time the probe had passed Jupiter it was screaming faster than anything we've designed.

    I just don't think it's fair to write off UFO technology as preposterous when a bunch of us people have come from boosting a rocket to the moon from fossil fuels to finely projecting our machines past planets to expand our reaches of space essentially in the last sixty years... In what I consider a lackluster (could be greater) space program.

    The possibilities of UFO's to use gravitational pull from planets and suns to skip along the universe and conquer millions of light years seems possible if an intelligent race has been exploring this possibilities on a time scale we haven't matured to yet. I mean, what if this was the goal of a civilization for tens of thousands of years?

    Our technologies have developed exponentially. Heck, if the people of this planet could some how reach a sustainable existence, it's incredible to think of the capabilities we would possess in a thousand years.

    So I am quite curious, what about the prospect of UFO technology do you to be considered fallacy? Misleading, false? Because we don't have a space ship in our own hangar?

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  • Alastor
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    A very good and reasonable response, Zealander.

    I like you - and no, that's not a trick. What I've seen of you so far seems genuine and intelligent.



    Originally posted by Zealander View Post
    Don't believe in intelligent life? We sure are not. You don't think in all the infinite expanse of space, and the approximate 14 billion year lifespan that there is nothing out there to rival our own evolution, when space exploration suggests there is an abundance of water throughout the universe? You don't think similar conditions to our own atmosphere can be created on a far away planet, with a sun that can support the required energy for life?
    I pretty much believe that intelligent life other than our own has to exist someplace. As you point out, in all the billions of galaxies, with billions of stars in each, with many planets around each star, eventually we're going to find something that is alive other than ourselves.

    But do I believe in UFOs as space ships? No. It's preposterous. It's such an incredibly nonsensical theory from top to bottom that I find it ridiculous. It's an inherent logical fallacy that doesn't stand the test of reason.

    No, I do not believe we have space ships visiting us from other planets, nor do I believe we have alien bodies stored away in a freezer. We might have some weird stuff we've never been able to identify, but I don't think they were space aliens.

    That's ludicrous on so many levels that my fingers hurt just thinking about typing out all the logical fallacies that go into UFO conspiracies.

    If you want me to elaborate, I will. But perhaps you'd prefer to simply accept my answer, disagree with it, and send me on my way too. The option is yours. If asked for elaboration I will. If not, I'll get out of the way.

    Good response above though, Zealander. Very cool.

    Best wishes.

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  • underrated29
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    Originally posted by Alastor View Post
    Dude, Zealander!

    That's nothing!

    Many on this board will vouch for my unwavering devotion to fact and that I do not generally buy into "conspiracy theories."

    Often, I look upon them with disdain.

    This one however, like your video, has me convinced. In the face of overwhelming evidence, people simply must begin accepting the truth, so here it is:

    Let me tell you about the DHMO cover-up our government runs constantly! I bet most of us have never even heard of DHMO, but it's very, very real.

    You won't believe the extent to which this issue and the adverse (even deadly) health affects it has on every person on the planet every day is covered up!

    Read more about it at DHMO.org.

    DHMO is a form of hydrogenic acid that can be found in nature, or in many cases, is created in laboratories and used for everything from industrial uses to consumption products.

    Seriously, aliens?! Pffft... We got bigger problems right here at home, dude.

    Oddly, however, these two topics are linked not just because of a massive cover-up at the hands of our own governments, but also because alien life forms on Mars, once discovered, must have access to this chemical to survive. They are as a law of science, dependant upon this substance - a substance we habitually pollute our world and bodies with every single day. Because of the nature of their environment, any life forms that do exist on Mars, must absolutely have this compound in order to exist.

    In fact, our government, though they don't speak about it often or in obvious fashion, has invested billions of dollars and sent at least two expeditions to Mars looking for signs of this very substance - though for exactly what objective none are willing or able to say for certain. The blanket "quest for knowledge" is often used to brush aside the matter and side-step the issue.

    We are partners - albeit allies by circumstance - in our quests for the truth. My only hope is that the foolish, gullible masses learn something from this thread, but my fear is that they will not. Yet somehow, we as a culture will find a way to carry on and improve despite their tragic ignorance.

    I'm glad that people are intelligent and crafty enough to discover these things and share them with the world.

    Thank you for being a patriot, and doing the work most people simply will not do.

    CPs to you!
    Originally posted by Alastor View Post
    We still haven't solved that DHMO thing either. Apathy is a disease.

    DON'T YOU PEOPLE CARE!?


    LMAO- I didnt see this post a few months ago, but I remember when I was in 8th grade, that the kid won the science fair with this......I was soooo pissed. I was like really, you duped EVERYONE with this. Couldnt believe it worked. He didnt even have to do anywork either. All he did was show how water can be this and that and do this and that and give it its molecular name. I thought people would see right through it. Meanwhile I spent all this time dissolving nails in coke cans and the like.

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  • Zealander
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    Originally posted by Alastor View Post
    That's not true. I had very little fun.

    I was making a point about how easy it is to lead people astray even when presenting factual information.

    Any fool can do research on these things and it takes precious little critical thinking to look at a situation and see it for what it is.

    But if someone wants to believe in something and they want to be part of something, they'll buy into anything that looks superficially good without asking themselves serious or important questions.

    The video you linked to in your post two years ago showed an image of mars. What your speaker referred to as "patterns" is actually the result of blowing the picture up many times the size it was intended to be, causing pixelation (where parts of the picture are converted into singularly colored squares because the original image's resolution wasn't high enough to be blown up that much).

    That's what he was pointing at when he referred to what he felt looked like "a city."

    It wasn't a city. It's a pixelation, a common issue with pictures.

    Take any image in your computer and enlarge it as much as you can - you'll see the same affect, and not always in the entire picture at once.

    It's the same exact "phenomena."

    I was not making fun of you. I was making a point. A point which until this last post you have hammered home beyond any amount of dispute, for over two years.



    Think people. If it's practiced enough, eventually it almost seems natural.
    Man I must look like a fool, only now that I have really taken the time to read through that website you sited. That's a pretty clever little web page, the whole thing has to be a joke. Have that one, but I am interested to hear your own thoughts on the subject rather than proving a point about how people can be tricked into seeing what they want. That happens, and I am often guilty.

    Don't believe in intelligent life? We sure are not. You don't think in all the infinite expanse of space, and the approximate 14 billion year lifespan that there is nothing out there to rival our own evolution, when space exploration suggests there is an abundance of water throughout the universe? You don't think similar conditions to our own atmosphere can be created on a far away planet, with a sun that can support the required energy for life?

    I don't think the possibility of evolution elsewhere is irrational, these conditions must exist millions of times over in space. What do you find so comical about the situation?

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  • SBboundBRONCOS
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    i dont know about all this, i certainly believe there are aliens out there but i doubt they can reach us

    but it certainly would be interesting to get people on mars and see what is actually up with those glass like tubes and such

    hell why not start colonizing it in rotation, would be super cool problem is we would need some sort of relays in between because communication seems like it would be difficult to maintain

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