Modification of the CP system.

[jetrazor74]

I know. Right now some of you are pulling your hair out screaming, "OMG! WTH? Not again!"

But this is not going to be a drastic change, rather a slight modification. One that will level out a current imbalance and should also make it unnecessary to change again for a long, long time. So please view this as a good thing.

The thing is, we want your input, because frankly, this is your system and your opinion matters to us.

Here's the skinny:

Currently, the value of your CP is currently based on seniority (assuming you have received 100CP already). Every year on the anniversary of your sign up date, the value of each CP you hand out goes up by an additional point.

That's not fair to those who have earned the respect of their peers in short amount of time. This modification will alter that imbalance by taking a little bit from the "seniority column" and give that to the "earned respect column," for lack of better terms.

The staff has discussed how to correct this for quite some time among ourselves and narrowed the best available options down to two choices:

• 1. The value of your CP will increase: +1 for every 4 years you are a member of the boards and +1 for every 1800 CP you have earned.
  
  2. The value of your CP will increase: +1 for every 5 years you are a member of the boards and +1 for every 1700 CP you have earned.

In a nutshell, do you place more emphasis on when someone created their account, or on how much someone contributes to the community?

Yes, this means that some long-time members will lose some potency to their CP, but it also means that some newer members who have earned the respect of the community at large will have some increased potency to their CP. Like I said before, this is just an adjustment to balance things out a bit.

The sad truth is that every once in a while the CP system has to be tweaked a bit. The community grows and changes and the system has to be able to accommodate for that. We're hoping that these options make it more fair all around and require a long time before it has to be messed with again... if ever.

So go ahead and cast your vote. The poll will be open for 2 weeks.

In this thread we'd also like to hear any ideas you have for improving the system. Understand those ideas will have to be discussed at length by the staff and that there are certain limitations to the system which may prevent your idea from being implemented, so you may not hear or see any of the changes for quite some time.

The bottom line is, this modification needs to and will take place and we'd like your input on which direction to go in.

If you have any questions you'd rather not post here, please feel free to PM any of the mods or use the Community Issues Forum.

[jetrazor74]

Remember, we'd also like to hear your ideas to improve the system in other ways as well!

[underrated29]

I dont care because Cps do not mean a whole lot to me.


But I will say any new person that joins may give cps but they are not worth anything...unless they get 100cps in the first place or something...I have to say imo that this is probably the dumbest idea ever. And no offense to whoever thought it up. I am sure there was good reasoning for the thought. BUT-



1. It is kind of demeaning to the new posters. Basically you are saying that-Oh- you are new and therefore not good enough to post. Or you are new and do not know what a cp worthy post or thread is about. (probably not your intention but that is how it is and how it looks)

2. It seems like a system of control and for lack of better terms- rookie hazing- When you are new and sign up, you have to go through the ritual of getting x amount cp- or length of time before you are now allowed to move up in the class system and be recognized by your peers. Class system, dicatorship much? Maybe, perhaps?

3. Just speculating here but logically all I can really think of as to why this came to pass.- new people were just throwing them around, or perhaps "boosting" with the CPs? I do not know- maybe even something else. But really is that the more common theme, that new peeps are purposly trying to abuse the system? I would think not. I would think that Majority are just new solid posters and are getting set below the bar from the get go.

4. Starting in the hole- since their cps are not worth anything, they automatically get set back....CP bets, draft bets, and even sig making. Understand that they can still give CPs, but if they have no value, it is pointless. It is just like responding in a thread saying nice job. Cool, thanks for the acknowledgment but really I didnt help me much.

Look at sig makers. The new peeps, while still being able to get them from good posters who are nice, are automatically at the bottom of the totem pole. If you had to make a sig for a person who has a 4pt cp or a rookie with 0 cp---who are you going to spend the most time on? Who is going to get the better sig, who is going to get theirs first?????

5. It takes time to get to 100 cp- Took me forever, I did not post much, i signed up to read the camp reports....I wanted to thank those who spent their time on providing the write ups on them... Back then I could CP and they can see it. Now they can not and if someone does not post a lot, they could be a member for 2 years here and still not be able to give anything of value or appreciation because they dont post a lot and therefore their status is poor. They sleep outside with the dogs and even though they are versed with the ways of the boards, policies, coc, and are well liked. They are still nothing. No Noble blood in them.





For the mods and staff trying to make things more fair and more equal, get a little balance going on. Leaving this rule or policy intact seems to go against precisely what you are looking at doing. Plus it makes no practical applicable sense to keep it in place. That would be my thought-----and no, I am not all bummed out because I got CP from a newer member and did not get points for it. Yes, it has happened that I got cps with no points, but I have no care for the cps one way or the other. THose of you who know me, know this is the case. It is not a personal matter for me. Just an observation.


Have a nice day.

[Frenchy180]

Is prefer a system based on the amount of bars a poster has... Like for every two bars you gain an additional point. It could also be every four bars as well. With the proposed system it will take years to earn your way to the Locker Room, and while I agree some are reaching insanely fast, I don't think potency should be decreased that much.

If one of the two options is chosen, I would like to see noob cps eliminated.

[sbxxxiichamps]

1. The value of your CP will increase: +1 for every 4 years you are a member of the boards and +1 for every 1800 CP you have earned.

2. The value of your CP will increase: +1 for every 5 years you are a member of the boards and +1 for every 1700 CP you have earned.[/LIST]
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I'm fine with adjusting the system and everything, but that to me that seems a little high.

I signed up in 2008 and only actually started using my account this year in Sept. Since I began posting I am nowhere near either of those numbers lol. My CP would be useless for a long time.

Also, the majority of people here don't have nearly that much CP, so the ability to give out CP points looks like it would be up to a very small amount of people.

At the same time, I don't get why our CP goes up for every year we are here. IMO a good post should get CP and not being a member for a while. Look at my account...Ive been here since 08 but never used it until recently. I don't feel that my CP should be worth any more than someone who signed up this year but makes meaningful posts, just because I'm an older member.

So overall I would say get rid of the CP for seniority and make it based on how much CP we earn. But I think 1800 and 1700 may be a little too high as the number we need in order to make our CP worthwhile.

Just my thoughts!

[sbxxxiichamps]

My thoughts for updating the system besides what I already said would be to update the CP symbol. I think it should something that stands out a little more lol.

I dont know...the scale just isn't working for me...and I'm my guess is that maybe new posters don't notice it. I know it took me a while to figure out what it was all about.

anyways, just an idea. :thumb:

[JakeNbake]

I'm imagining this was done because we're getting a lot of members who are getting up there in CP's and you guys are trying to make ROF /HOF whatever elite instead of allowing a ton of members there.

I believe CP counts will grow slower with either prescribed method and don't know that it's fair.

Yeah some new members may gain 1 Cp. But tons of older members will lose a lot more than one.

I understand what you're saying about it not being fair for new people. But really it will only hurt them. Because this is going to end up taking away more CP's then doing anything else.


I would also like to add that CP don't mean that much to me anymore. I enjoy them more for the messages than anything now. But like I said it will only slow down people making milestones which I think will hurt the morale of the board.

[red19]

I'm imagining this was done because we're getting a lot of members who are getting up there in CP's and you guys are trying to make ROF /HOF whatever elite instead of allowing a ton of members there.

I believe CP counts will grow slower with either prescribed method and don't know that it's fair.

Yeah some new members may gain 1 Cp. But tons of older members will lose a lot more than one.

I understand what you're saying about it not being fair for new people. But really it will only hurt them. Because this is going to end up taking away more CP's then doing anything else.

I agree, if those members (ROF or LR) made it there under the current (or close) to system- than it should remain in tact. Unless of course everyone is starting over again @ 0. The point system and LR seem a little unfair as is..... as it seems logical that a lot of those posters with higher CP might not interact with us on the junior varsity boards as often.

[underrated29]

Hey Louich- thanks for the cp.....Post in here so I can get you some CP before they take away my powers.



PS- mods- I just eclipsed the 1,000 mark point just a little bit ago. Now obviously I dont post here as much and call it my home, but further backing up above posters points. Just because there are senior members- 1700/1800 that is a lot and would take a long long time to get to. Especially if Cps are now dropping down to a few points each. You would have to basically double your input, so i suppose in 7 years from now, my cps would be worth 1 more point-as going by your new schedule and timeline. Pretty silly. Might as well just scrap the whole system.

[12and4]

Man... Must be the offseason!


I think we should do something like this, but I think 4 years is a long time. I woulda said 3 years 1500 cp. That would put me at 1+1+1 = 3. Right now my cp's are worth 5.

Is there a way to factor in posts? maybe every 9400 posts?

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

I'm imagining this was done because we're getting a lot of members who are getting up there in CP's and you guys are trying to make ROF /HOF whatever elite instead of allowing a ton of members there.

I believe CP counts will grow slower with either prescribed method and don't know that it's fair.

Yeah some new members may gain 1 Cp. But tons of older members will lose a lot more than one.

I understand what you're saying about it not being fair for new people. But really it will only hurt them. Because this is going to end up taking away more CP's then doing anything else.


I would also like to add that CP don't mean that much to me anymore. I enjoy them more for the messages than anything now. But like I said it will only slow down people making milestones which I think will hurt the morale of the board.

I think thats what the new adjustments are made for, not to let posters get as many CPs as fast.For some it will be hard to accept,especially if their CPs are worth 7 or 8 points.

As long as the members are happy,im ok with any changes

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

Change all CP's everyone gives to 1.

Which will actually make the CP system worthwhile.

[Freyaka]

I think it's just fine the way it is, it teaches respect for your elders, Not to mention most of our cp's are where they are because we've been here and done our time.


Each of us had to start at 0 and work our ways up I didn't just sign up and automatically get 11 bars and 4 years senority.

I like the fact that my cp's are now getting up there in worth and I know I personally enjoy when someone like BM_69 drops a big fat 8 pointer on you.

Me personally I like it just like it is, if the fear is too many people making RoF and HoF if there in there they are in for a reason and it's not like it's that many people in there I'm in 74th place overall and I only have 1850ish cp's out of 68757 (granted not that many are active) but for that matter a lot of the people ahead of me aren't that active.

[jetrazor74]

I dont care because Cps do not mean a whole lot to me.


But I will say any new person that joins may give cps but they are not worth anything...unless they get 100cps in the first place or something...I have to say imo that this is probably the dumbest idea ever. And no offense to whoever thought it up. I am sure there was good reasoning for the thought. BUT-



1. It is kind of demeaning to the new posters. Basically you are saying that-Oh- you are new and therefore not good enough to post. Or you are new and do not know what a cp worthy post or thread is about. (probably not your intention but that is how it is and how it looks)

2. It seems like a system of control and for lack of better terms- rookie hazing- When you are new and sign up, you have to go through the ritual of getting x amount cp- or length of time before you are now allowed to move up in the class system and be recognized by your peers. Class system, dicatorship much? Maybe, perhaps?

3. Just speculating here but logically all I can really think of as to why this came to pass.- new people were just throwing them around, or perhaps "boosting" with the CPs? I do not know- maybe even something else. But really is that the more common theme, that new peeps are purposly trying to abuse the system? I would think not. I would think that Majority are just new solid posters and are getting set below the bar from the get go.

4. Starting in the hole- since their cps are not worth anything, they automatically get set back....CP bets, draft bets, and even sig making. Understand that they can still give CPs, but if they have no value, it is pointless. It is just like responding in a thread saying nice job. Cool, thanks for the acknowledgment but really I didnt help me much.

Look at sig makers. The new peeps, while still being able to get them from good posters who are nice, are automatically at the bottom of the totem pole. If you had to make a sig for a person who has a 4pt cp or a rookie with 0 cp---who are you going to spend the most time on? Who is going to get the better sig, who is going to get theirs first?????

5. It takes time to get to 100 cp- Took me forever, I did not post much, i signed up to read the camp reports....I wanted to thank those who spent their time on providing the write ups on them... Back then I could CP and they can see it. Now they can not and if someone does not post a lot, they could be a member for 2 years here and still not be able to give anything of value or appreciation because they dont post a lot and therefore their status is poor. They sleep outside with the dogs and even though they are versed with the ways of the boards, policies, coc, and are well liked. They are still nothing. No Noble blood in them.





For the mods and staff trying to make things more fair and more equal, get a little balance going on. Leaving this rule or policy intact seems to go against precisely what you are looking at doing. Plus it makes no practical applicable sense to keep it in place. That would be my thought-----and no, I am not all bummed out because I got CP from a newer member and did not get points for it. Yes, it has happened that I got cps with no points, but I have no care for the cps one way or the other. THose of you who know me, know this is the case. It is not a personal matter for me. Just an observation.


Have a nice day.

Hi! Good to see you here!

This change was made a long time ago. The long debated and well thought out reasons for the change were thoroughly explained at that time in numerous threads.

Thanks for your thoughts, but this subject is off the current topic and therefore this is the incorrect thread to discuss this in.

[Broncoholic3233]

I agree with what a lot of people are saying.

I like it the way it is. I think it's a good system we have going right now.