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  • kishzilla
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    Originally posted by Alastor View Post
    I think so too. I think you're right, Kish.

    I had a student last year that was a good student. She missed about 5 weeks of the semester due to family crisis though. A death in the family one time, band trips another, and a bunch of other stuff. She missed so much class that despite being a very good student, she started to fall behind. I did everything I could to help her, and she ended up getting a B+.

    Her mom went nuts that her dauther - in ninth grade I might add - got a B+. I explained that her daughter worked hard, got as much done as she could, and that I had worked with her the best I could. She did well and left with a B+.

    Her mom said it could hurt her chances at college and she wasn't going to accept it. She filed a complaint.

    The administrators told her to stick it, thank God. I kept it friendly and professional, but deep down inside I thought, "Wow, lady. Lighten up. It's not going to matter that she got a B+ in 9th grade History. If it does, you already screwed up somewhere."

    But the pressure is still very much there for some students.

    Anyway Kish... You're right.

    The scores aren't that important, but to some people who are right on the edge and who are fighting to get into colleges they want... It can be a factor.

    Not as much of one as they think it is, but it can be a small factor.

    Some don't realize it's not as big of a factor as they think it is, and to others, it doesn't matter because they're so pressured to succeed - and tests are how we measure that for our students.
    The converse to that situation can be just as trying. My folks were too busy fighting each-other to worry much about my schooling, and it afforded me a fairly unreasonable amount of freedom as a high-school kid. Freedom that I took full advantage of in doing barely if any homework and doing a lot of stuff that should have gotten me into trouble but fortunately never did. Luckily I would pull my stuff together enough to stay eligible for sports, and tested well, so it hid the fact that I was a complete lazy ass with my regular homework etc. I graduated with a 2.4 GPA but I scored a 31 on my ACT (Never took the SAT). I feel like, even though it was ultimately on me to do well in school, if I had parents that pushed me, and didn't let me slide during my high school years, I could have done a lot more with myself education wise. I don't know if I could have tried any less in high school if I wanted to, but I still managed to absorb the material to score well on a standardized test. If I had gave even half a damn, that GPA could have been a lot less mediocre. I feel like making sure a high school kid gives a damn falls partially on the parents. It's rare that a kid is able to push themselves when they are that age imo.

    I think the hardest thing is finding that balance. You can't put so much pressure on your kid that they feel like if they get less than stellar marks it's going to be the end all be all, but you have to push them enough so that they can take advantage of their potential.

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  • Alastor
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    Originally posted by kishzilla View Post
    I think the pressure to do well on the test likely has more to do with the parents of these kid's that paid out for this shill test-taker.
    I think so too. I think you're right, Kish.

    I had a student last year that was a good student. She missed about 5 weeks of the semester due to family crisis though. A death in the family one time, band trips another, and a bunch of other stuff. She missed so much class that despite being a very good student, she started to fall behind. I did everything I could to help her, and she ended up getting a B+.

    Her mom went nuts that her dauther - in ninth grade I might add - got a B+. I explained that her daughter worked hard, got as much done as she could, and that I had worked with her the best I could. She did well and left with a B+.

    Her mom said it could hurt her chances at college and she wasn't going to accept it. She filed a complaint.

    The administrators told her to stick it, thank God. I kept it friendly and professional, but deep down inside I thought, "Wow, lady. Lighten up. It's not going to matter that she got a B+ in 9th grade History. If it does, you already screwed up somewhere."

    But the pressure is still very much there for some students.

    Anyway Kish... You're right.

    The scores aren't that important, but to some people who are right on the edge and who are fighting to get into colleges they want... It can be a factor.

    Not as much of one as they think it is, but it can be a small factor.

    Some don't realize it's not as big of a factor as they think it is, and to others, it doesn't matter because they're so pressured to succeed - and tests are how we measure that for our students.

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  • Hoserman117
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    I really don't think cheating shows the right sort of 'caring' for getting into college. Not every college cares about SAT's, I dominated mine and UT couldn't have cared less about it (which was a bummer for me), and shipped me off to a sister school for a year to prove I wasn't an idiot.

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  • 12and4
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    We should add a math section to the MCATs.... i feel i'm being judged on things that I'm not awesome at

    i mean, reading comprehension? Hows that gonna help me?

    *ducks away from alastors right hook*

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  • kishzilla
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    If he was really smart, he wouldn't have done as well on the tests as he did, to make it as obvious as it was to the people reviewing and comparing the scores to the G.P.A.s of the students. Sand-bag it a little to make it seem more plausible.

    I think the pressure to do well on the test likely has more to do with the parents of these kid's that paid out for this shill test-taker. If their G.P.A.'s were that bad, they probably didn't really give a damn about their schooling to begin with, parents didn't give a crap until they started approaching graduation and saw their kid wasn't up to snuff so they go into a full court press. But if the kid gets a good SAT score and gets into college, "maybe Mom and Dad will lay off a bit and then I can go off to college with my friends and party/smoke weed/and chill." lol

    I live in a college town. I have no idea how half of these kids ever got through high-school in the first place, let-alone get accepted to a college. It would seem that Al is right, and the way kids are measured is flawed severely.

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  • Alastor
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    Originally posted by HavoK471 View Post
    I'm talking about the guy who was taking the test for the other kids

    He's obviously a bright mind but this has the potential to stop where he could have gone

    I completely agree with the bold section of your post
    Meh. They can't impact his scores, and since it's not cheating on a collegiate campus his college can't nail him. He might face some sort of misdemeanor charge for impersonation or something, but I don't know for sure. I'm not a lawyer.

    It's an SAT. A piss poor test that isn't a government document. I doubt he'd be charged with anything at all, and like I said... They only ask about your score, not your cheating history. Even if it did though, this is America. We don't mind if you cheat. We mind if you can't take a test.

    I doubt it has any impact on the guy taking the tests at all. If anything, it might be good for his business. I'd be surprised if he got more than a slap on the wrist, and some folks might even consider it a plus - he used his brain to make money and help others. He obviously scores very well and in our society, all we care about is the score.

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  • HavoK471
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    Originally posted by Alastor View Post
    You're kidding, right? A bad SAT score stays in the system for 7 years - sometimes longer.

    I filled out two applications last week that weren't even in the education career field that asked for a copy of my SAT scores. I'm 38! I took that sucker twenty years ago and they still think my score is relevant.

    Cheating on a test in high school though? That's in your referral file at the high school and it dies when you graduate.

    No one gives a crap that a student cheated on a test in high school.

    They care an awful lot if the SAT score is too low, however.

    This one's a no-brainer. The cheating happens all the time. Sometimes on accident, sometimes on purpose. The test is a sham anyway, but so much depends on the results for some students...

    What we really ought to be looking at is:

    A) These students cared enough about getting a shot at a good college to cheat - and to pay out the butt for it.

    B) Why are our students - who are obviously driven and who want to go to college (thus the cheating to get in), being forced to cheat in order to past a test that by the way, doesn't measure a damned thing in terms of what any given student can learn - it only measures what they already know; sort of.



    The students cared enough to cheat so they could get into college. The students care, that much I think we can all accept as fact.

    The test is a sham anyway, and people cheat on it all the damned time.

    There's nothing wrong with these kids. There's a lot wrong with how we measure our students.
    I'm talking about the guy who was taking the test for the other kids

    He's obviously a bright mind but this has the potential to stop where he could have gone

    I completely agree with the bold section of your post

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  • Alastor
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    This happens a lot actually. All the time.

    Originally posted by BluenOrnge4Life View Post
    It's amazing that one guy is so smart, and he would rather use his intelligence to break the law and make thousands... when he has the potential to be a millionaire by using his brain to start something legitimate.
    Doing what? Seen the job market lately? This guy might even be smart enough to be a teacher... For a whoppin' 32k a year, no benefits, long hours, your summers spent in school yourself while everyone around you says, "But you get three months off!" and on and on...

    Check the job market. This is a high school kid (or at least close - he's close enough that they let him take the high school SATs).

    He doesn't play football. There are no millions for him to make. For all we know, this is how the kid pays for college himself; by taking the SAT for the other students that want to get into college and that happen to have phat stacks o' cash (3k is a lot to a high schooler) laying around.

    Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
    Why would you cheat on the SAT's? You can take it as many times as you want and it isn't THAT hard.
    They average the scores together, and many schools will look at all the scores and if one is particularly low, it can be the reason a student is rejected even if their second test score is very high (because they obviously don't take tests well, and that's how we measure "good students" in this country).

    Originally posted by HavoK471 View Post
    What a dumb way to possibly ruin a great future
    You're kidding, right? A bad SAT score stays in the system for 7 years - sometimes longer.

    I filled out two applications last week that weren't even in the education career field that asked for a copy of my SAT scores. I'm 38! I'm an honorably discharged veteran. I've held a security clearance. I have national honors in both of my Bachelor's degrees. I scored in the top five percent for my GRE - a test taken only by the top 20% of academics in the world to begin with. I have a 3.98 in my Master's. I took that stupid SAT twenty years ago as I was getting ready to drop out of high school and they still think my score is relevant.

    Cheating on a test in high school though? That's in your referral file at the high school and it dies when you graduate.

    No one gives a crap that a student cheated on a test in high school.

    They care an awful lot if the SAT score is too low, however.

    This one's a no-brainer. The cheating happens all the time. Sometimes on accident, sometimes on purpose. The test is a sham anyway, but so much depends on the results for some students...

    What we really ought to be looking at is:

    A) These students cared enough about getting a shot at a good college to cheat - and to pay out the butt for it.

    B) Why do our students - who are obviously driven and who want to go to college (thus the cheating to get in), feel they have to cheat to get a shot at college? Why do they feel compelled to cheat so that they can pass a test?

    This test by the way, doesn't measure a damned thing in terms of what any given student can learn - it only measures what they already know; sort of.



    The students cared enough to cheat so they could get into college. The students care, that much I think we can all accept as fact.

    The test is a sham anyway, and people cheat on it all the damned time.

    There's nothing wrong with these kids. There's a lot wrong with how we measure our students.

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  • HavoK471
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    What a dumb way to possibly ruin a great future

    But jeez how are these high school students able to cough up $1,500-$2,500?

    What did I do wrong!

    Just playin

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  • broncoFan!
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    Originally posted by 12and4 View Post
    Agreed. Plus, who cares about them anyways...

    my high school gpa was high enough that fresno state didn't even care about it. I never reported it, lol
    Nice. When did you get put on probation broseph?

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  • 12and4
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    Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
    Why would you cheat on the SAT's? You can take it as many times as you want and it isn't THAT hard.
    Agreed. Plus, who cares about them anyways...

    my high school gpa was high enough that fresno state didn't even care about it. I never reported it, lol

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  • Hoserman117
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    Why would you cheat on the SAT's? You can take it as many times as you want and it isn't THAT hard.

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  • BluenOrnge4Life
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    It's amazing that one guy is so smart, and he would rather use his intelligence to break the law and make thousands... when he has the potential to be a millionaire by using his brain to start something legitimate.

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  • BroncoFanNC
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    They didn't post the scores or even say if those kids got into college.

    Next it'll be he's getting sued for not cheating well enough to get a kid into college.

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  • Chillez
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    Originally posted by 12and4 View Post
    they probably watched that one movie... about cheating on the SATs...

    This movie?




    Am I right or wrong?

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