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  • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    Talking to a wall is a great description Peerless...I can't... This is mind numbingly exhausting and I don't need infractions... Shouldn't have even poked back into this mess.
    "There will be a surprise outbreak and I hope that at the end of my relatively short presentation you will understand why the history over the last 32 years that I’ve been the director of NIAID will tell the next administration that there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that they will be faced with challenges that their predecessors were faced with," Fauci said in 2017

    Same quote Peerless used just longer. "There will be a surprise outbreak" ..."next administration that there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that they will be faced with challenges that their predecessors were faced with".... So that's not speaking directly to the current administration?
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    • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
      "There will be a surprise outbreak and I hope that at the end of my relatively short presentation you will understand why the history over the last 32 years that I’ve been the director of NIAID will tell the next administration that there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that they will be faced with challenges that their predecessors were faced with," Fauci said in 2017

      Same quote Peerless used just longer. "There will be a surprise outbreak" ..."next administration that there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that they will be faced with challenges that their predecessors were faced with".... So that's not speaking directly to the current administration?
      I don't know why I'm bothering with this response, He's saying there will be a surprise outbreak because every administration he's worked with has faced a surprise outbreak. It's not some crazy conspiracy. Fauci and Bill Gates didn't cause this.

      Now I really am done with talking to you guys. It's mentally draining.
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      • Originally posted by CanDB View Post
        So are you saying that Fauci caused it? Is this a conspiracy theory?

        BTW.....you choose to believe what you want. You chose not to believe the death count. I've heard it might be higher. And for the record, say it was only 130,000....would that be a success story?? And even if 130,000, or even less (which I highly, highly doubt, given I am not an expert, and I tend to forfeit my best guess over data that is supplied from that department) at the rate this is going, you will likely lose a lot more lives....hopefully not. Not a good story, even if the numbers were a bit too high.
        You're right, even if the numbers were lower it's still terrible people are losing their lives. I've never once made a horrendous claim that it wasn't a sad situation. My entire beef is the severity of the virus itself. It's been mentioned over and over again about the flu or even the cold taking lives too. And we don't shut down life for those.

        People who have underlined health issues are going to be at risk in normal conditions. Most of the worlds population are going to be perfectly fine if/when they get this virus. There is more information now and hospitals/doctors are more capable of handling this....so why now that we have more information and readiness for it we are falling farther and farther back?
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        • You know what's tragic about all of this....Fauci and his family have received very serious threats over the covid situation. That is pathetic!!! That's why the narrative has got to stop, because facts are no longer relevant to those who want to scare him and his family.

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          • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
            Yeah we are t getting anywhere, I appreciate you attempting to explain your opinion of Fauci’s part in all this.

            I rarely go to the doctor but if I do and he tells me I’m fine and I end up having pneumonia (true story) I change my doctor.

            When doctors are wrong people get sick and die. They have a huge responsibility and need to be held accountable.
            What about doctors who advised higher ups about certain measures to prevent and identify outbreaks? To be even more clearer - how about improving global health-surveillance systems, investing in research, and setting aside emergency funds? Do the higher ups (the people over the doctors and researchers) not get held accountable?

            REMEMBER - In May 2018, the National Security Council's pandemic response team was disbanded, while in October 2019, the current administration declined to renew funding for a pandemic early warning system.

            I mean in my opinion... when doctors who know their crap advise those who don't know anything - and then those same people who disregarded measures to combat issues like this pandemic - I would hold THEM accountable.
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            • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
              You're right, even if the numbers were lower it's still terrible people are losing their lives. I've never once made a horrendous claim that it wasn't a sad situation. My entire beef is the severity of the virus itself. It's been mentioned over and over again about the flu or even the cold taking lives too. And we don't shut down life for those.

              People who have underlined health issues are going to be at risk in normal conditions. Most of the worlds population are going to be perfectly fine if/when they get this virus. There is more information now and hospitals/doctors are more capable of handling this....so why now that we have more information and readiness for it we are falling farther and farther back?
              Conspiracy theory?

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              • Originally posted by CanDB View Post
                You know what's tragic about all of this....Fauci and his family have received very serious threats over the covid situation. That is pathetic!!! That's why the narrative has got to stop, because facts are no longer relevant to those who want to scare him and his family.
                Absolutely ridiculous. Those folks should be ashamed.

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                • Originally posted by CanDB View Post
                  You know what's tragic about all of this....Fauci and his family have received very serious threats over the covid situation. That is pathetic!!! That's why the narrative has got to stop, because facts are no longer relevant to those who want to scare him and his family.
                  That’s is sad. No excuse to threat someone and their family. Fauci as a person seems like a very likable guy. I don’t like some of the things he’s said to do or not do but I don’t wish any harm to him.
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                  • Originally posted by Peerless View Post
                    What about doctors who advised higher ups about certain measures to prevent and identify outbreaks? To be even more clearer - how about improving global health-surveillance systems, investing in research, and setting aside emergency funds? Do the higher ups (the people over the doctors and researchers) not get held accountable?

                    I mean in my opinion... when doctors who know their crap advise those who don't know anything - and then those same people who disregarded measures to combat issues like this pandemic - I would hold THEM accountable.
                    Isn't that what is exactly happening to all those Frontline doctors I posted earlier? They are speaking out about what they know and are speaking out against what they are being told....
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                    • Originally posted by Peerless View Post
                      What about doctors who advised higher ups about certain measures to prevent and identify outbreaks? To be even more clearer - how about improving global health-surveillance systems, investing in research, and setting aside emergency funds? Do the higher ups (the people over the doctors and researchers) not get held accountable?

                      REMEMBER - In May 2018, the National Security Council's pandemic response team was disbanded, while in October 2019, the current administration declined to renew funding for a pandemic early warning system.

                      I mean in my opinion... when doctors who know their crap advise those who don't know anything - and then those same people who disregarded measures to combat issues like this pandemic - I would hold THEM accountable.
                      I would hold them accountable as well. If people listen to doctors as far as not smoking, and keeping a healthy weight a lot of the deaths from this Pandemic would have been prevented.
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                      • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
                        Isn't that what is exactly happening to all those Frontline doctors I posted earlier? They are speaking out about what they know and are speaking out against what they are being told....
                        I.... I.... I just can't with you anymore. Don't take it personally JvDub, but I am just going to ignore you for a while. Please, don't take it personally.

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                        • Ok. This has been locked down once already today... let’s not dance on the fine line of politics... and personal attacks or this get locked down again.., and might stay that way....
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                          • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                            I would hold them accountable as well. If people listen to doctors as far as not smoking, and keeping a healthy weight a lot of the deaths from this Pandemic would have been prevented.
                            Finally, we agree!

                            A doctor is only as powerful as his resources. It's too bad for Dr. Facui that his administration let him (and you, and me) down by wiping away all of those prophylactic agencies. If only people would listen to docs... you got that right.

                            Sometimes - the chain of command is a hell of a thing, aint it?

                            Cheers, good evening!
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                            • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
                              Isn't that what is exactly happening to all those Frontline doctors I posted earlier? They are speaking out about what they know and are speaking out against what they are being told....
                              You aren’t talking about that demon sperm, alien DNA doctor I saw all over Twitter are you?

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                              • Originally posted by CanDB View Post
                                Conspiracy theory?
                                You are asking me if I believe Fauci started this? I'd like to believe he didn't, I'd like to believe Bill Gates has nothing to do with the construction of the vaccine, I'd like to not believe lots of things that seem fishy. But, like the saying goes where there's smoke there's fire. Bill Gates has the Wuhan University (laboratory), and Dr Fauci backed Wuhan lab for coronavirus research. Maybe it is just me being sucked into other ideologies but some of it sure stinks
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