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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    My opinion...nowadays there has been more of a shift to "believing what you want to believe", and following those who say what you believe.

    And if correct, it becomes a dangerous spiral, as some folks take a stand and seldom educate themselves about potential other sides of the story.

    That's why folks I trust tend to study both sides of every situation, and draw conclusions based on the facts. Whereas it appears that many pick a side, and stay with it til the bitter end.

    Some of it is definitely based on politics.
    So looking at the numbers below I should believe Lockdowns work and opening up doesn’t?

    Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people

    New Jersey: 278
    Population: 8.9 million residents

    New York: 258
    Population: 19.4 million

    Massachusetts: 252
    Population: 6.9 million

    Rhode Island: 248
    Population: 1.1 million

    Mississippi: 238
    Population: 3 million

    Arizona: 234
    Population: 7.3 million

    Connecticut: 222
    Population: 3.6 million

    Louisiana: 219
    Population: 4.6 million

    South Dakota: 219
    Population: 884,659

    Alabama: 217
    Population: 4.9 million

    Pennsylvania: 198
    Population: 12.8 million

    North Dakota: 197
    Population: 762,062

    Indiana: 194
    Population: 6.7 million

    New Mexico: 189
    Population: 2.1 million

    Arkansas: 187
    Population: 3 million

    Illinois: 187
    Population: 12.7 million

    Iowa: 185
    Population: 3.2 million

    South Carolina: 179
    Population: 5.1 million

    Georgia: 176
    Population: 10.6 million

    Michigan: 174
    Population: 10 million

    Tennessee: 174
    Population: 6.8 million

    Nevada: 172
    Population: 3.1 million

    Kansas: 169
    Population: 2.9 million

    Texas: 169
    Population: 30 million

    Delaware: 161
    Population: 973,764

    Ohio: 160
    Population: 11.7 million

    Florida: 157
    Population: 21.5 million

    District of Columbia: 152
    Population: 705,749

    California: 151
    Population: 39.5 million

    Your right we all do believe what we want to believe. I believe based on the numbers above we should protect those most likely to be hospitalized and die from Covid, and let everyone else choose how they want to live. Vaccines are great for who have underlying conditions and advance age. Me personally I am 42 years old and have a strong immune system I have 99% chance of surviving Covid not worried about dying and I wear a mask in public, at work and I don’t go around anyone outside my household. What other people do is none of my business.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

    That does not explain North and South Dakota who led in cases per capita. The lockdowns did help. They shouldn't be permanent though. We also have to account for those who did not adhere to the guidelines.
    Why are you pointing to North Dakota and not New Jersey or New York? Both had extreme lockdowns. People were arrested for opening a gym outdoors.

    Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000.

    New Jersey: 278
    Population: 8.9 million residents

    New York: 258
    Population: 19.4 million

    Massachusetts: 252
    Population: 6.9 million

    Rhode Island: 248
    Population: 1.1 million

    Mississippi: 238
    Population: 3 million

    Arizona: 234
    Population: 7.3 million

    Connecticut: 222
    Population: 3.6 million

    Louisiana: 219
    Population: 4.6 million

    South Dakota: 219
    Population: 884,659

    Alabama: 217
    Population: 4.9 million

    Pennsylvania: 198
    Population: 12.8 million

    North Dakota: 197
    Population: 762,062

    Indiana: 194
    Population: 6.7 million

    New Mexico: 189
    Population: 2.1 million

    Arkansas: 187
    Population: 3 million

    Illinois: 187
    Population: 12.7 million

    Iowa: 185
    Population: 3.2 million

    South Carolina: 179
    Population: 5.1 million

    Georgia: 176
    Population: 10.6 million

    Michigan: 174
    Population: 10 million

    Tennessee: 174
    Population: 6.8 million

    Nevada: 172
    Population: 3.1 million

    Kansas: 169
    Population: 2.9 million

    Texas: 169
    Population: 30 million

    Delaware: 161
    Population: 973,764

    Ohio: 160
    Population: 11.7 million

    Florida: 157
    Population: 21.5 million

    District of Columbia: 152
    Population: 705,749

    California: 151
    Population: 39.5 million



    North Dakota never shut down, they didn’t force people to not wear masks or not socially distance they did the opposite they allowed their citizens to choose.

    The result:
    Of the close 800,000 people who live in North Dakota 104,000 cases were reported with 1,499 deaths.

    currently they have 87 people hospitalized and 1 death as of yesterday.

    I would rather live under North Dakota’s policies than California that lockdown the whole state of 39 million for a year and still had 3.69 million reported cases and 59,847 deaths.






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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

    You keep saying this even though I have posted studies saying that is simply not the case. Where are you getting this info from? I'm genuinely interested.
    My opinion...nowadays there has been more of a shift to "believing what you want to believe", and following those who say what you believe.

    And if correct, it becomes a dangerous spiral, as some folks take a stand and seldom educate themselves about potential other sides of the story.

    That's why folks I trust tend to study both sides of every situation, and draw conclusions based on the facts. Whereas it appears that many pick a side, and stay with it til the bitter end.

    Some of it is definitely based on politics.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

    That does not explain North and South Dakota who led in cases per capita. The lockdowns did help. They shouldn't be permanent though. We also have to account for those who did not adhere to the guidelines.
    If I can generalize (though I have read many articles about specific locations), lack of caution/awareness has been a serious culprit in some parts of the world.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    This is what concerns me going forward. What we find happens to long haulers.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/06/healt...ess/index.html
    This is the sort of stuff that worries me, and should worry everyone. We are still basically in infancy when it comes to understanding Covid-19. We should not pretend that all is well, because the scientists and medical folks did a remarkable job to study and try to understand this ugly virus, and came up with vaccines in remarkably quick time. In spite of all the critics out there, the true experts did their part to a very high degree of competency and speed. And the sometimes bad news when that happens, others brush it off as if it was a no brainer of sorts. Meanwhile, the virus re-engineers itself, and all the while, may have been impacting folks who merely caught it and thought they were well, in ways they did not understand.....LONG TERM.

    If anyone thinks all is well, and does not even consider that, just by merely being infected, they are good to go for the rest of their lives....well, I sure hope you are right.

    In the next few years we will learn a great deal more about Covid-19. Some of it may not be what we want to hear. I've been pushing this angle for some time, not because I am a specialist, or I can see the future, but because early on there were solid reports that verified some kinds of seemingly longer term problems. Inflammations. Organ related issues.

    So, I would not be excited to walk around without fear of getting infected. Because even if I feel ok, I could be a potential long term victim...plus I could drag down others with me, some that could have lost their lives, or that may be changed for the rest of their lives.

    So I will politely ask everyone to show respect for the scientists and medical folks, for trying to protect us and inform us....and guide us from being infected in the first place. Do not assume that we know everything there is to know about Covid-19.

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