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  • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

    I could go on for a while about my dislike for vaccines, I think there is a direct link between them and the rise in autism and cancer but that's another topic and another discussion.

    80% success rate for a virus that has a 99% survival rate....just saying. Again, the vaccine (which we can't even call it a vaccine because it's curing nothing) does not prevent the spread....it does not stop you or anyone else from getting it. I'm not going to put an experiment into my body or my family's bodies until I know for 100% that this isn't going to have some other long term effects. Be mad at me if you like but I'm not taking a guess from anyone, doctor or not.
    Survival means not dying. Have you heard or seen anything on long hauler syndrome? I have a teacher friend that didn't get the vaccine when he was eligible. He contracted it 2 months ago and spent 3 weeks in the hospital. He now has to go to breathing therapy because he can't walk around his house without getting winded. He was told this could last his entire life without the therapy. So he 'survived', but his life has been altered.

    And this was from last week

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/pfize...ission-5116193

    The vaccine is new, so let's not claim we know everything about it just yet. They are finding ( in some cases) that it can prevent the spread of the virus.

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    • Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

      Survival means not dying. Have you heard or seen anything on long hauler syndrome? I have a teacher friend that didn't get the vaccine when he was eligible. He contracted it 2 months ago and spent 3 weeks in the hospital. He now has to go to breathing therapy because he can't walk around his house without getting winded. He was told this could last his entire life without the therapy. So he 'survived', but his life has been altered.

      And this was from last week

      https://www.verywellhealth.com/pfize...ission-5116193

      The vaccine is new, so let's not claim we know everything about it just yet. They are finding ( in some cases) that it can prevent the spread of the virus.
      Do you happen to know what blood type your teacher friend has? Back to my pervious post on certain blood types get hit harder. My boss just got hit with it for the first time and he got pretty sick. Kinda the same story. He made it through it thankfully. His doctor was telling him that type A blood type (which he has) patients are the ones getting hit harder. Type O or B blood types are the ones who come out with only mild symptoms.....supposedly.

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      • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

        Do you happen to know what blood type your teacher friend has? Back to my pervious post on certain blood types get hit harder. My boss just got hit with it for the first time and he got pretty sick. Kinda the same story. He made it through it thankfully. His doctor was telling him that type A blood type (which he has) patients are the ones getting hit harder. Type O or B blood types are the ones who come out with only mild symptoms.....supposedly.
        I do not know what his blood type is. What was awful was that he did want the vaccine, but was worried about taking his limited sick days due to him hearing about people getting sick for a day or two with side effects. So, he was going to schedule it for a 3 day weekend, but contracted it before he could schedule it.

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        • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

          I could go on for a while about my dislike for vaccines, I think there is a direct link between them and the rise in autism and cancer but that's another topic and another discussion.

          80% success rate for a virus that has a 99% survival rate....just saying. Again, the vaccine (which we can't even call it a vaccine because it's curing nothing) does not prevent the spread....it does not stop you or anyone else from getting it. I'm not going to put an experiment into my body or my family's bodies until I know for 100% that this isn't going to have some other long term effects. Be mad at me if you like but I'm not taking a guess from anyone, doctor or not.
          I am not mad at you, but I am suggesting that you follow the science, trust the medical folks, and do the mathematics. Not quite sure what you mean by the bolded. Remember, it has been reported that these vaccines are more like 90-95% successful after 2 shots. I used 80% on the low side. No vaccine, and you get 0% efficacy, unless of course you believe that having had the virus makes you free of any long term concerns, or that you have not infected someone/some people, and possibly caused them harm. Infected folks likely don't all know who they infected.

          That's why I got tested a number of times, because even though I did not think I had covid, given it was a similar minor sore throat that I have had many times before (and has been checked out by a specialist), I had previously postponed medical appointments (that were becoming more important as time went on) in the coming week, and did not want to risk anyone, and possibly an entire group.

          So my view is very much influenced by my concern for others. And though it has been difficult for most of us, I highly doubt that folks from previous generations (from mine) would have looked the other way to help their fellow citizens. I think we are losing that gracious characteristic.....to support one another in good times and bad.
          Last edited by CanDB; 04-02-2021, 08:37 AM.

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          • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

            I could go on for a while about my dislike for vaccines, I think there is a direct link between them and the rise in autism and cancer but that's another topic and another discussion.

            80% success rate for a virus that has a 99% survival rate....just saying. Again, the vaccine (which we can't even call it a vaccine because it's curing nothing) does not prevent the spread....it does not stop you or anyone else from getting it. I'm not going to put an experiment into my body or my family's bodies until I know for 100% that this isn't going to have some other long term effects. Be mad at me if you like but I'm not taking a guess from anyone, doctor or not.
            Truly an "unbelievable" post. Vaccines have never been created to "CURE" any disease. Period!

            Vaccine:

            A substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

            The word "CURE" is not used in the vaccine definition, nor should it be. You might be confusing vaccine with antibiotic.

            Antibiotic:

            A drug used to treat bacterial infections. Antibiotics have no effect on viral infections. Originally, an antibiotic was a substance produced by one microorganism that selectively inhibits the growth of another.

            My biggest problem with people who refuse to get vaccinated is their strong if not certain probability to spread the Covid 19 VIRUS to others and the evidence is overwhelmingly TRUE with proven deadly consequences and it's the main reason it will take so much longer for the USA and other to countries to resume actual normalcy for the economy to fully recover.

            Hopefully you are at least wearing a quality MASK in public and do more research to understand this HORRIBLE PANDEMIC and how you may be contributing to it.

            THANK YOU!
            Utah Bronco Freak

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            • Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post

              Truly an "unbelievable" post. Vaccines have never been created to "CURE" any disease. Period!

              Vaccine:

              A substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

              The word "CURE" is not used in the vaccine definition, nor should it be. You might be confusing vaccine with antibiotic.

              Antibiotic:

              A drug used to treat bacterial infections. Antibiotics have no effect on viral infections. Originally, an antibiotic was a substance produced by one microorganism that selectively inhibits the growth of another.

              My biggest problem with people who refuse to get vaccinated is their strong if not certain probability to spread the Covid 19 VIRUS to others and the evidence is overwhelmingly TRUE with proven deadly consequences and it's the main reason it will take so much longer for the USA and other to countries to resume actual normalcy for the economy to fully recover.

              Hopefully you are at least wearing a quality MASK in public and do more research to understand this HORRIBLE PANDEMIC and how you may be contributing to it.

              THANK YOU!
              I'll continue to beat the drum here. Even the vaccinated are going to continue to spread the virus....fact....even if I were to get the shot there is no guarantee the symptoms won't be any worse with it. I make no apologies for not vaccinating my family. I love them way too much to expose them to an experiment. If a year (or 2) from now I see people that were vaccinated still healthy then maybe I'll consider it. I trust vaccines that have proven results, we know nothing about this vaccine.

              I've taken the flu shot once in my adult life and I got sick after it. That was over 20 years ago and I'll never take it again. Am I a burden to society for not taking the flu shot? This should be a personal choice and people who opt not to take it should NOT be shamed for their decision!!! My body my choice right?!?!?!

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              • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

                I'll continue to beat the drum here. Even the vaccinated are going to continue to spread the virus....fact....even if I were to get the shot there is no guarantee the symptoms won't be any worse with it. I make no apologies for not vaccinating my family. I love them way too much to expose them to an experiment. If a year (or 2) from now I see people that were vaccinated still healthy then maybe I'll consider it. I trust vaccines that have proven results, we know nothing about this vaccine.

                I've taken the flu shot once in my adult life and I got sick after it. That was over 20 years ago and I'll never take it again. Am I a burden to society for not taking the flu shot? This should be a personal choice and people who opt not to take it should NOT be shamed for their decision!!! My body my choice right?!?!?!
                I refuse to waste my time to address your........................................, so sad.
                Utah Bronco Freak

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                • Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post

                  I refuse to waste my time to address your........................................, so sad.
                  https://www.instagram.com/tv/CNKylWe...on_share_sheet

                  I keep getting told to trust the science....well.....
                  Last edited by JvDub95; 04-02-2021, 05:26 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

                    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CNKylWe...on_share_sheet

                    I keep getting told to trust the science....well.....
                    I guess it depends on who you want to listen to.

                    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

                    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/pfizer...ry?id=76389615

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                    • Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
                      I choose the stuff you are presenting.....maybe because it's factual. Plus the other fact...everyone I know who is eligible for the vaccine is booked...family, friends, husbands, wives, the whole lot. Seeing as they are on average pretty bright, and given the scientific info, I feel pretty safe getting the shots, and in fact, can't wait. Within the next few days my wife and I will get our first Pfizer.
                      Last edited by CanDB; 04-02-2021, 08:04 PM.

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                      • Why do we have doctors fighting doctors? If all "facts" and "science" were so transparent and truthful we wouldn't have hundreds of doctors speaking out. There are millions of people who question what we're being told because of this.

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                        • Fwiw, I got my second Moderna shot March 29th. I am 76 years old, and have been in self-quarantine the last year. I have not gone out much, and when I did I wore a mask. The second shot went very well with no side effects. I did get "Covid arm" about a week after the first shot (with the attendant rash, achiness and redness) but it went away in about five days. I feel fine, and am very glad I was able to get the shots. I believe in science and scientists, I believe in medicine. I don't particularly believe in or trust the CEOs of Big Pharma. Getting the vaccine is totally a personal choice, but I do think it is incumbent on all of us to care about the people around us and consequently--factoring in the premise of the "ripple effect"--about the people around them.

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                          • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
                            I could go on for a while about my dislike for vaccines, I think there is a direct link between them and the rise in autism and cancer but that's another topic and another discussion.
                            I have called out the football related fan written articles you have posted on these forums for a while now, and I have never understood the subsequent opinions you have formed based off of the incredibly fictional made garbage it is. But, I think you need to analyse where you are getting your information from across the board based on what I have just read here, are you aware of how to identify credible sources ? Look, I can stomach your opinions about the vaccine to some degree, I think if people don't want to get it, that is their choice, but this one liner here is not a matter of opinion, it is widely discredited and has been thoroughly picked apart, there is no logical reason to subscribe to that train of thought, none.

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                            • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

                              I'll continue to beat the drum here. Even the vaccinated are going to continue to spread the virus....fact....even if I were to get the shot there is no guarantee the symptoms won't be any worse with it. I make no apologies for not vaccinating my family. I love them way too much to expose them to an experiment. If a year (or 2) from now I see people that were vaccinated still healthy then maybe I'll consider it. I trust vaccines that have proven results, we know nothing about this vaccine.

                              I've taken the flu shot once in my adult life and I got sick after it. That was over 20 years ago and I'll never take it again. Am I a burden to society for not taking the flu shot? This should be a personal choice and people who opt not to take it should NOT be shamed for their decision!!! My body my choice right?!?!?!
                              I could go on a bit, because I have tried to keep my recent responses to within a few paragraphs....meaning I did not cover everything involved in this situation. But I would like to add a little more, on the proud day that my wife gets her first vaccination, on the weekend that my sister-in-law and a few of my best friends get their first vaccines, within the month that my sister and brother-in-law, my brother, and another handful of friends will have been vaccinated.....

                              Lets never forget how the pandemic turned healthcare workers into heroes, and sadly, many lost their lives as a result. And all for us. And in a year in which many folks (including myself) had to wait for surgery/procedures/examinations, for what may turn out to be serious consequences. Why? Because the poor healthcare professionals were backed up, saving us, potentially harming themselves, running out of equipment, wearing down. Because many folks were ill as a result of the pandemic. Many were not to be blamed either. But from what I read, many had the "my body my choice" mode of operation guiding their decisions, which are about "self".

                              Fortunately the healthcare professionals, and all the other front line warriors did not think "self" over the last 12 months.

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                              • Originally posted by mainBroncos60 View Post
                                Fwiw, I got my second Moderna shot March 29th. I am 76 years old, and have been in self-quarantine the last year. I have not gone out much, and when I did I wore a mask. The second shot went very well with no side effects. I did get "Covid arm" about a week after the first shot (with the attendant rash, achiness and redness) but it went away in about five days. I feel fine, and am very glad I was able to get the shots. I believe in science and scientists, I believe in medicine. I don't particularly believe in or trust the CEOs of Big Pharma. Getting the vaccine is totally a personal choice, but I do think it is incumbent on all of us to care about the people around us and consequently--factoring in the premise of the "ripple effect"--about the people around them.
                                Good for you!!

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