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  • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

    What's sad is this right here. We have flu shots yet we still have the flu....you really think this virus is going to get eradicated?? Go ahead and take your booster shots every year to stay on top of this virus. I'll continue to exercise eat healthy and use nature (the sun) to keep my body ready to fight. There are other natural and just as effective (if not more) methods to keep yourself healthy. I do don't need a vaccine and quite frankly most people don't either.
    Well Doctor JvDub95, myself and many millions of others will do, with very little risk, what is necessary to avoid horrible sickness and death. FYI, influenza is not like polio or measles, one shot is all you need for life.

    Please answer this, why have there been 561,775 deaths in the USA and 2,885,991 deaths world wide if "there are other natural and as effective (if not more) methods to keep yourself healthy without a vaccine like you, and quite frankly, most people don't need one either". So, almost 3 million people were not paying close attention and didn't use natural / effective methods like you?

    Where can the world population find these natural / effective methods so they can prevent themselves from dying and why isn't all major news networks broadcasting these natural / effective methods 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to minimize death and suffering? The science world and all human beings need to learn about these natural / effective methods to avoid sickness and death in future pandemics.
    Last edited by jazzbodog; 04-06-2021, 08:19 PM.
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    • Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post

      Well Doctor JvDub95, myself and many millions of others will do, with very little risk, what is necessary to avoid horrible sickness and death. FYI, influenza is not like polio or measles, one shot is all you need for life.

      Please answer this, why have there been 561,775 deaths in the USA and 2,885,991 deaths world wide if "there are other natural and as effective (if not more) methods to keep yourself healthy without a vaccine like you, and quite frankly, most people don't need one either". So, almost 3 million people were not paying close attention and didn't use natural / effective methods like you?

      Where can the world population find these natural / effective methods so they can prevent themselves from dying and why isn't all major news networks broadcasting these natural / effective methods 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to minimize death and suffering? The science world and all human beings need to learn about these natural / effective methods to avoid sickness and death in future pandemics.
      Hydroxychloroquine, although not natural, can help prevent severe reactions. Natural methods are just simply soaking in the sun or taking vitamin D supplements. All help in boosting your immune system.

      After you get your vaccine and feel like you are saving humanity just remember that next year when you are stepping in line for your next shot. Getting the shots only helps yourself....not others

      https://www.instagram.com/tv/CNKylWe...on_share_sheet

      It helps you from getting majorly sick but it DOES NOT STOP YOU FROM SPREADING IT. So go ahead and get your shot, I'm not calling you selfish, please keep your attacks to yourself

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      • Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

        Totally agree that we missed an opportunity to preach good health during this time. As for you last sentence, California and Florida are close, but North Dakota (which has no restrictions) has the most per capita cases while Hawaii ( which had stringent restrictions) has the fewest cases per capita.
        Hawaii is an island with a smaller population than any other state. If Lockdowns worked California & New York would have done much better than Florida and Texas.

        very clear that the lockdowns are not the answer. If it was California wouldn’t lead the nation in deaths.

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        • The vaccine makes sense for elderly and those with underlying conditions. If you are healthy ( no underlying conditions) the vaccine side effects are as dangerous as what your chances are of getting over Covid, very small!

          Truth is most people, especially healthy get Covid, recover and now have a stronger immune system. I believe strengthening our immune system is the key not vaccines.

          NO!!!! I’m not anti vaccine, the vaccine will definitely save many and help their quality of life. I just don’t believe they are the answer for everyone , long term.

          Nutrition and exercise are!!!! lol
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          • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
            Hawaii is an island with a smaller population than any other state. If Lockdowns worked California & New York would have done much better than Florida and Texas.

            very clear that the lockdowns are not the answer. If it was California wouldn’t lead the nation in deaths.
            Why is it when lockdowns are lifted Covid case counts go up??????

            Here's a small twist to an old saying: Fools (unmasked - not vaccinated) rush in where (masked - vaccinated) wise men never go.
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            • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
              Hawaii is an island with a smaller population than any other state. If Lockdowns worked California & New York would have done much better than Florida and Texas.

              very clear that the lockdowns are not the answer. If it was California wouldn’t lead the nation in deaths.
              That does not explain North and South Dakota who led in cases per capita. The lockdowns did help. They shouldn't be permanent though. We also have to account for those who did not adhere to the guidelines.

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              • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

                Hydroxychloroquine, although not natural, can help prevent severe reactions. Natural methods are just simply soaking in the sun or taking vitamin D supplements. All help in boosting your immune system.

                After you get your vaccine and feel like you are saving humanity just remember that next year when you are stepping in line for your next shot. Getting the shots only helps yourself....not others

                https://www.instagram.com/tv/CNKylWe...on_share_sheet

                It helps you from getting majorly sick but it DOES NOT STOP YOU FROM SPREADING IT. So go ahead and get your shot, I'm not calling you selfish, please keep your attacks to yourself
                You keep saying this even though I have posted studies saying that is simply not the case. Where are you getting this info from? I'm genuinely interested.

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                • Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
                  This is what concerns me going forward. What we find happens to long haulers.

                  https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/06/healt...ess/index.html
                  This is the sort of stuff that worries me, and should worry everyone. We are still basically in infancy when it comes to understanding Covid-19. We should not pretend that all is well, because the scientists and medical folks did a remarkable job to study and try to understand this ugly virus, and came up with vaccines in remarkably quick time. In spite of all the critics out there, the true experts did their part to a very high degree of competency and speed. And the sometimes bad news when that happens, others brush it off as if it was a no brainer of sorts. Meanwhile, the virus re-engineers itself, and all the while, may have been impacting folks who merely caught it and thought they were well, in ways they did not understand.....LONG TERM.

                  If anyone thinks all is well, and does not even consider that, just by merely being infected, they are good to go for the rest of their lives....well, I sure hope you are right.

                  In the next few years we will learn a great deal more about Covid-19. Some of it may not be what we want to hear. I've been pushing this angle for some time, not because I am a specialist, or I can see the future, but because early on there were solid reports that verified some kinds of seemingly longer term problems. Inflammations. Organ related issues.

                  So, I would not be excited to walk around without fear of getting infected. Because even if I feel ok, I could be a potential long term victim...plus I could drag down others with me, some that could have lost their lives, or that may be changed for the rest of their lives.

                  So I will politely ask everyone to show respect for the scientists and medical folks, for trying to protect us and inform us....and guide us from being infected in the first place. Do not assume that we know everything there is to know about Covid-19.

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                  • Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

                    That does not explain North and South Dakota who led in cases per capita. The lockdowns did help. They shouldn't be permanent though. We also have to account for those who did not adhere to the guidelines.
                    If I can generalize (though I have read many articles about specific locations), lack of caution/awareness has been a serious culprit in some parts of the world.

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                    • Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

                      You keep saying this even though I have posted studies saying that is simply not the case. Where are you getting this info from? I'm genuinely interested.
                      My opinion...nowadays there has been more of a shift to "believing what you want to believe", and following those who say what you believe.

                      And if correct, it becomes a dangerous spiral, as some folks take a stand and seldom educate themselves about potential other sides of the story.

                      That's why folks I trust tend to study both sides of every situation, and draw conclusions based on the facts. Whereas it appears that many pick a side, and stay with it til the bitter end.

                      Some of it is definitely based on politics.

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                      • Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

                        That does not explain North and South Dakota who led in cases per capita. The lockdowns did help. They shouldn't be permanent though. We also have to account for those who did not adhere to the guidelines.
                        Why are you pointing to North Dakota and not New Jersey or New York? Both had extreme lockdowns. People were arrested for opening a gym outdoors.

                        Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000.

                        New Jersey: 278
                        Population: 8.9 million residents

                        New York: 258
                        Population: 19.4 million

                        Massachusetts: 252
                        Population: 6.9 million

                        Rhode Island: 248
                        Population: 1.1 million

                        Mississippi: 238
                        Population: 3 million

                        Arizona: 234
                        Population: 7.3 million

                        Connecticut: 222
                        Population: 3.6 million

                        Louisiana: 219
                        Population: 4.6 million

                        South Dakota: 219
                        Population: 884,659

                        Alabama: 217
                        Population: 4.9 million

                        Pennsylvania: 198
                        Population: 12.8 million

                        North Dakota: 197
                        Population: 762,062

                        Indiana: 194
                        Population: 6.7 million

                        New Mexico: 189
                        Population: 2.1 million

                        Arkansas: 187
                        Population: 3 million

                        Illinois: 187
                        Population: 12.7 million

                        Iowa: 185
                        Population: 3.2 million

                        South Carolina: 179
                        Population: 5.1 million

                        Georgia: 176
                        Population: 10.6 million

                        Michigan: 174
                        Population: 10 million

                        Tennessee: 174
                        Population: 6.8 million

                        Nevada: 172
                        Population: 3.1 million

                        Kansas: 169
                        Population: 2.9 million

                        Texas: 169
                        Population: 30 million

                        Delaware: 161
                        Population: 973,764

                        Ohio: 160
                        Population: 11.7 million

                        Florida: 157
                        Population: 21.5 million

                        District of Columbia: 152
                        Population: 705,749

                        California: 151
                        Population: 39.5 million



                        North Dakota never shut down, they didn’t force people to not wear masks or not socially distance they did the opposite they allowed their citizens to choose.

                        The result:
                        Of the close 800,000 people who live in North Dakota 104,000 cases were reported with 1,499 deaths.

                        currently they have 87 people hospitalized and 1 death as of yesterday.

                        I would rather live under North Dakota’s policies than California that lockdown the whole state of 39 million for a year and still had 3.69 million reported cases and 59,847 deaths.






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                        • Originally posted by CanDB View Post

                          My opinion...nowadays there has been more of a shift to "believing what you want to believe", and following those who say what you believe.

                          And if correct, it becomes a dangerous spiral, as some folks take a stand and seldom educate themselves about potential other sides of the story.

                          That's why folks I trust tend to study both sides of every situation, and draw conclusions based on the facts. Whereas it appears that many pick a side, and stay with it til the bitter end.

                          Some of it is definitely based on politics.
                          So looking at the numbers below I should believe Lockdowns work and opening up doesn’t?

                          Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people

                          New Jersey: 278
                          Population: 8.9 million residents

                          New York: 258
                          Population: 19.4 million

                          Massachusetts: 252
                          Population: 6.9 million

                          Rhode Island: 248
                          Population: 1.1 million

                          Mississippi: 238
                          Population: 3 million

                          Arizona: 234
                          Population: 7.3 million

                          Connecticut: 222
                          Population: 3.6 million

                          Louisiana: 219
                          Population: 4.6 million

                          South Dakota: 219
                          Population: 884,659

                          Alabama: 217
                          Population: 4.9 million

                          Pennsylvania: 198
                          Population: 12.8 million

                          North Dakota: 197
                          Population: 762,062

                          Indiana: 194
                          Population: 6.7 million

                          New Mexico: 189
                          Population: 2.1 million

                          Arkansas: 187
                          Population: 3 million

                          Illinois: 187
                          Population: 12.7 million

                          Iowa: 185
                          Population: 3.2 million

                          South Carolina: 179
                          Population: 5.1 million

                          Georgia: 176
                          Population: 10.6 million

                          Michigan: 174
                          Population: 10 million

                          Tennessee: 174
                          Population: 6.8 million

                          Nevada: 172
                          Population: 3.1 million

                          Kansas: 169
                          Population: 2.9 million

                          Texas: 169
                          Population: 30 million

                          Delaware: 161
                          Population: 973,764

                          Ohio: 160
                          Population: 11.7 million

                          Florida: 157
                          Population: 21.5 million

                          District of Columbia: 152
                          Population: 705,749

                          California: 151
                          Population: 39.5 million

                          Your right we all do believe what we want to believe. I believe based on the numbers above we should protect those most likely to be hospitalized and die from Covid, and let everyone else choose how they want to live. Vaccines are great for who have underlying conditions and advance age. Me personally I am 42 years old and have a strong immune system I have 99% chance of surviving Covid not worried about dying and I wear a mask in public, at work and I don’t go around anyone outside my household. What other people do is none of my business.
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                          • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                            The vaccine makes sense for elderly and those with underlying conditions. If you are healthy ( no underlying conditions) the vaccine side effects are as dangerous as what your chances are of getting over Covid, very small!

                            Truth is most people, especially healthy get Covid, recover and now have a stronger immune system. I believe strengthening our immune system is the key not vaccines.

                            NO!!!! I’m not anti vaccine, the vaccine will definitely save many and help their quality of life. I just don’t believe they are the answer for everyone , long term.

                            Nutrition and exercise are!!!! lol
                            I am going to present a theoretical question for you, and it's ok if you don't want to respond.

                            Say another virus gets loose in the population, and unlike Covid-19, seeks out healthier, younger, stronger bodies. Why go for the elderly, compromised, or as you say, unhealthy, when you can go for a porterhouse, or perfect pasta, or the best sushi??

                            If that ever happened, would it be wrong for us "older", less healthy, compromised folks to look the other way, and just live it up...because it does not seem to effect us?

                            I know there's many good reasons why folks should take care of their bodies. But there's also an element of humanity involved, and personally, I prefer humane folks who may be a little less healthy, or older, or compromised. In fact, I've seen a load of folks who may be a bit overweight, or senior, who volunteer with good intentions. I prefer their approach than those, and I am not saying you, who have boasted about their wonderfulness thru covid-19, and basically stated that they were ok to go about life, so tough on the others.

                            So I see it a bit different....if such a theoretical creature ever appeared one day, I am quite sure the majority of us older/less healthy/compromised folks would respect the lives of the ones in most danger...and not resist lockdowns and other preventative measures as vehemently as many have over the past year. I called it selfish in many instances, because I did not detect care or concern for the well being of others.

                            Humanity rocks! Lack of humanity is a much bigger imperfection than most other things. You just never know when the path you take leads to a dead end.....and when it does, hopefully others will be there for you.

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                            • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                              So looking at the numbers below I should believe Lockdowns work and opening up doesn’t?

                              Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people

                              New Jersey: 278
                              Population: 8.9 million residents

                              New York: 258
                              Population: 19.4 million

                              Massachusetts: 252
                              Population: 6.9 million

                              Rhode Island: 248
                              Population: 1.1 million

                              Mississippi: 238
                              Population: 3 million

                              Arizona: 234
                              Population: 7.3 million

                              Connecticut: 222
                              Population: 3.6 million

                              Louisiana: 219
                              Population: 4.6 million

                              South Dakota: 219
                              Population: 884,659

                              Alabama: 217
                              Population: 4.9 million

                              Pennsylvania: 198
                              Population: 12.8 million

                              North Dakota: 197
                              Population: 762,062

                              Indiana: 194
                              Population: 6.7 million

                              New Mexico: 189
                              Population: 2.1 million

                              Arkansas: 187
                              Population: 3 million

                              Illinois: 187
                              Population: 12.7 million

                              Iowa: 185
                              Population: 3.2 million

                              South Carolina: 179
                              Population: 5.1 million

                              Georgia: 176
                              Population: 10.6 million

                              Michigan: 174
                              Population: 10 million

                              Tennessee: 174
                              Population: 6.8 million

                              Nevada: 172
                              Population: 3.1 million

                              Kansas: 169
                              Population: 2.9 million

                              Texas: 169
                              Population: 30 million

                              Delaware: 161
                              Population: 973,764

                              Ohio: 160
                              Population: 11.7 million

                              Florida: 157
                              Population: 21.5 million

                              District of Columbia: 152
                              Population: 705,749

                              California: 151
                              Population: 39.5 million

                              Your right we all do believe what we want to believe. I believe based on the numbers above we should protect those most likely to be hospitalized and die from Covid, and let everyone else choose how they want to live. Vaccines are great for who have underlying conditions and advance age. Me personally I am 42 years old and have a strong immune system I have 99% chance of surviving Covid not worried about dying and I wear a mask in public, at work and I don’t go around anyone outside my household. What other people do is none of my business.


                              1) I think there are too many variables involved to instantly make a call on the states you list. I will look at this later.

                              2) As for the bolded....I generally would agree, but not in a world wide pandemic, where people can seriously impact the lives of others. It's like driving a car....when this fellow almost rode my wife and I off a busy highway because he was driving like a maniac, YES it is my business. Similarly if a person or group is disobeying the rules of caution in a pandemic, YES it is the business of everyone nearby. The distinction is as follows in my opinion, and it's something I believe in...live your life as you wish, but just as long as you don't negatively impact others.

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                              • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                                Why are you pointing to North Dakota and not New Jersey or New York? Both had extreme lockdowns. People were arrested for opening a gym outdoors.

                                Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000.

                                New Jersey: 278
                                Population: 8.9 million residents

                                New York: 258
                                Population: 19.4 million

                                Massachusetts: 252
                                Population: 6.9 million

                                Rhode Island: 248
                                Population: 1.1 million

                                Mississippi: 238
                                Population: 3 million

                                Arizona: 234
                                Population: 7.3 million

                                Connecticut: 222
                                Population: 3.6 million

                                Louisiana: 219
                                Population: 4.6 million

                                South Dakota: 219
                                Population: 884,659

                                Alabama: 217
                                Population: 4.9 million

                                Pennsylvania: 198
                                Population: 12.8 million

                                North Dakota: 197
                                Population: 762,062

                                Indiana: 194
                                Population: 6.7 million

                                New Mexico: 189
                                Population: 2.1 million

                                Arkansas: 187
                                Population: 3 million

                                Illinois: 187
                                Population: 12.7 million

                                Iowa: 185
                                Population: 3.2 million

                                South Carolina: 179
                                Population: 5.1 million

                                Georgia: 176
                                Population: 10.6 million

                                Michigan: 174
                                Population: 10 million

                                Tennessee: 174
                                Population: 6.8 million

                                Nevada: 172
                                Population: 3.1 million

                                Kansas: 169
                                Population: 2.9 million

                                Texas: 169
                                Population: 30 million

                                Delaware: 161
                                Population: 973,764

                                Ohio: 160
                                Population: 11.7 million

                                Florida: 157
                                Population: 21.5 million

                                District of Columbia: 152
                                Population: 705,749

                                California: 151
                                Population: 39.5 million



                                North Dakota never shut down, they didn’t force people to not wear masks or not socially distance they did the opposite they allowed their citizens to choose.

                                The result:
                                Of the close 800,000 people who live in North Dakota 104,000 cases were reported with 1,499 deaths.

                                currently they have 87 people hospitalized and 1 death as of yesterday.

                                I would rather live under North Dakota’s policies than California that lockdown the whole state of 39 million for a year and still had 3.69 million reported cases and 59,847 deaths.





                                What do you suppose the numbers would have been without the lockdowns in California? Why do you suppose Florida's numbers are rising again after spring break?

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