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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    I get the principle of the matter.

    It bothers me teams will be immune to whatever Covid19 is passed by vaccinated people but will be liable to costs of Covid19 passed by unvaccinated people.

    That is wrong.
    Thats a set of rules that should have never been put in place....not the players fault

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

    Its the principle of the matter at hand....his tweet...."Never thought I would say this, But being put in a position to hurt my team because I don’t want to partake in the vaccine is making me question my future in the NFL".....

    What really got me fired up when i heard the news of the memo was they are acting like only unvaxed players are going to be the ones who are "proposing a danger" to the rest of the league. What happens when a group of vaxed players come in positive? Are they going to be held to the same "shaming" standards? Hypocrisy!! Players that have already gotten the virus and gotten through it are already equipped with natural built immunities to fight it....they don't need the jab. Forcing someone to do something when they don't want to will never end in a peaceful resolve.
    I get the principle of the matter.

    It bothers me teams will be immune to whatever Covid19 is passed by vaccinated people but will be liable to costs of Covid19 passed by unvaccinated people.

    That is wrong.

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  • Peanut
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    There have been many warnings on not getting too political. Please keep derogatory terms out of the conversation. Thanks.

    And sorry if your post got deleted in the clean up.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by CanDB
    This will cramp the process of us all moving forward, including the economy, schooling, and everything that is affected by covid illness. This is not political....it's common sense.
    At the end of the day, governments are choosing the approach of shutting things down, slowing societies' progress by restricting movement, and regardless of how you feel about vaccines, I don't agree with the government having the right to dictate people's lives. I understand it may place pressure on the health care system, but obesity and unhealthy eating habits have been doing that for decades with no discussion or implementation of mass change directives, so it is what it is. People will choose to be unhealthy, take a vaccine, drive drunk, overdose on drugs, etc. The health care system is there to catch those people who we might call, "idiots", but that is their role, and that is why people train and work in those fields, agree or disagree, that is their job.

    So, I don't believe you shut down society due to that being the reason because we could have shut down society a long time ago due to the pressures of poor decisions and the impact it was or is still currently having on the health care system. And yes, we could discuss and argue if governments are taking the right approach based on a heap of factors, in both directions, but don't get it twisted, the slow down is being caused by the decision-makers who are terrified to take even the slightest of risks to help society move forward, not people choosing to pass on taking a vaccine, or refusing to wear a mask, no matter what you want to believe from a politicians mouth.

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by Peerless

    People can choose to get refuse a recommendated vaccine. Fine.

    But if they get COVID and need to be hospitalized - do you think they should get cared for?

    Kind of like the guy in the video that I posted above (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mG3...CBSThisMorning)

    That guy went against recommendations, refused to get a vaccine, got COVID, and was hospitalized for multiple weeks. Did he DESERVE to get all that care, to use all of the resources knowing he didn't take a simple measure to prevent it?

    Should he and others get care?
    Absolutely they should get the care. Isn't it a hospitals duty to care for regardless of financial or wellbeing situation in life?

    People that "choose" not to work but are still perfectly capable of working still get taken care of by our awesome government. They can get off their butts and help but they choose not to because our awesome government says we'll take of you. Do they deserve your and my tax dollars? If they are going to give one set of standards for one group doesn't that work for all in other circumstances?

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  • johnlimburg
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    The personal choice of individuals should be honoured, a government should never be able to dictate how anyone acts, lives, or operates within society. That doesn't mean I am against the vaccine, but I feel governments everywhere are just overstepping their boundaries in the guise of protection of the citizens, things are going too far. They are probably genuine in their efforts, but the responses are bordering on authoritarianism now, and I would imagine the players union will take a large issue if players are forced to take vaccines at any point against their will. Although, the NFL is a private enterprise, and they would be well within their rights to enforce such efforts. Could become messy if star players on high cap numbers refuse the vaccine though, teams will have no legal standing on voiding contracts on the basis of the player's refusal to comply.

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    What does he care?

    He can play unvaccinated. The Cardinals have a huge dead cap number associated with him if they release him.

    The Cardinals would have to pay the costs if he is associated with Covid19 cases that cancel the game.

    His life of almost worry free.
    Its the principle of the matter at hand....his tweet...."Never thought I would say this, But being put in a position to hurt my team because I don’t want to partake in the vaccine is making me question my future in the NFL".....

    What really got me fired up when i heard the news of the memo was they are acting like only unvaxed players are going to be the ones who are "proposing a danger" to the rest of the league. What happens when a group of vaxed players come in positive? Are they going to be held to the same "shaming" standards? Hypocrisy!! Players that have already gotten the virus and gotten through it are already equipped with natural built immunities to fight it....they don't need the jab. Forcing someone to do something when they don't want to will never end in a peaceful resolve.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

    Like DeAndre Hopkins??? He said he'd rather retire than take the shot.....I think more big name players need to step out against this just like he did.....personal choice!!!!
    What does he care?

    He can play unvaccinated. The Cardinals have a huge dead cap number associated with him if they release him.

    The Cardinals would have to pay the costs if he is associated with Covid19 cases that cancel the game.

    His life of almost worry free.

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    What if your star player does not want to get vaccinated?
    Like DeAndre Hopkins??? He said he'd rather retire than take the shot.....I think more big name players need to step out against this just like he did.....personal choice!!!!

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    So what do you think of this type of article? It was one of the first I saw when googling. I can look some more.

    Column: Ivermectin, another bogus COVID treatment, becomes a darling of conspiracy-mongers (msn.com)
    OK....in case I get no response, here's the last part of the article:

    To put it another way, the ivermectin craze could threaten your health and the health of the community.

    "The rather horrifying reality is that there have been enormous numbers of people treated with ivermectin largely based on a trial that, if it is not entirely fraudulent, is so flawed that it should never have been used for any treatment decisions anyway," Meyerowitz-Katz remarked in reference to the Egyptian paper.

    The same thing happened with hydroxychloroquine. Legions of people were misled by the promotion of a supposed remedy that was not only ineffective, but dangerous. Money and time were spent on clinical trials to debunk claims for a drug that should never have been part of the anti-COVID arsenal in the first place.

    Now the same process is happening with ivermectin. Let's be clear: Information about the drug isn't being "suppressed" for political reasons. It's being treated as what it is: dangerous misinformation.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post

    I say "not vaxed you can't play with pay".
    What if your star player does not want to get vaccinated?

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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    Wonder if the NFL teams will start using treatments in Covid19 prevention protocols.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...ol-ENGLISH.pdf
    I say "not vaxed you can't play with pay".

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    Wonder if the NFL teams will start using treatments in Covid19 prevention protocols.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...ol-ENGLISH.pdf
    So what do you think of this type of article? It was one of the first I saw when googling. I can look some more.

    Column: Ivermectin, another bogus COVID treatment, becomes a darling of conspiracy-mongers (msn.com)

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  • Hadez
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    Wonder if the NFL teams will start using treatments in Covid19 prevention protocols.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...ol-ENGLISH.pdf

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  • CanDB
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    Looks like The NFL is ready to get more serious about teams causing postponements because of covid outbreaks....

    NFL memo notes COVID-19 outbreaks will lead to forfeit games - Sports Illustrated Las Vegas Raiders News, Analysis and More

    Here's a portion of the statement:

    Essentially, if the game cannot be rescheduled during the regular season, the COVID-19 outbreak team will forfeit the game.

    In addition, financial responsibility for a canceled/postponed game will be placed on the team that experienced a COVID-19 outbreak.

    "If a game is canceled/postponed because a club cannot play due to a Covid spike among or resulting from its non-vaccinated players/staff, then the burden of the cancellation or delay will fall on the club experiencing the Covid infection," the NFL memo said.

    "We will seek to minimize the burden on the opposing club or clubs. If a club cannot play due to a Covid spike in vaccinated individuals, we will attempt to minimize the competitive and economic burden on both participating teams."

    It is also important to note that when a game is canceled due to a COVID-19 outbreak, players on both sides will not be paid.


    Serious measures for a serious problem. I am quite fine with it.

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