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  • Originally posted by Peerless View Post

    Well, yesterday (Monday 8/3) there were 10,389 Covid hospitalizations in Florida. That is the most statewide during any point in the pandemic, and about 95% of those hospitalized are the unvaccinated.

    What pretty little term would you like to use to describe that?
    Sure about that claim? What's the source?

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    • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

      Sure about that claim? What's the source?
      Sure am sure.

      This link shows that in Feb of 2020, Florida had 10,179 Covid hospitalizations. https://web.fha.org/news/newsarticle...x?ArticleID=26

      Yesterday, the florida hospital association provided this graph analysis regarding the 10,389:




      Today, on 8/3 - they broke YESTERDAYS record with now 11,515 COVID hospitalized patients.


      So again, I ask you - What pretty little term would you like to use to describe that?

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      • Stats are in. Where I live we have reached 80% one vaccination and 71.4% full vaccination, and the numbers keep on rising. Solid evidence of what these high numbers of vaccinations can achieve, (along with an ongoing respect for one another thru high % of mask wearing and social distancing): not very long ago, during our 3rd wave, we had the worst covid case rates of any province/state in Canada/The US. As of today, our leaders have announced the lifting of most restrictions.

        One does not have to have attended Harvard to understand the link. This while Delta is creating havoc in many places. It's almost textbook covid relief. And if we can get our numbers closer to 85% or more for both, I think we've kicked this thing to a very high degree. Fingers crossed, because you never know what happens when folks travel more frequently, and if covid re-engineers itself yet again. But looking quite good!

        Note; I'm the author of this message. The stats are posted by our government. I trust our government stats, and the medical folks involved.
        Last edited by CanDB; 08-03-2021, 11:34 AM.

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        • QUOTE=Peerless;n8364192]

          Well, yesterday (Monday 8/3) there were 10,389 Covid hospitalizations in Florida. That is the most statewide during any point in the pandemic, and about 95% of those hospitalized are the unvaccinated.

          What pretty little term would you like to use to describe that?[/QUOTE]

          Originally posted by Peerless View Post

          Sure am sure.

          This link shows that in Feb of 2020, Florida had 10,179 Covid hospitalizations. https://web.fha.org/news/newsarticle...x?ArticleID=26

          Yesterday, the florida hospital association provided this graph analysis regarding the 10,389:




          Today, on 8/3 - they broke YESTERDAYS record with now 11,515 COVID hospitalized patients.


          So again, I ask you - What pretty little term would you like to use to describe that?
          Monday's data wasn't the highest number of hospitalizations since the start of the pandemic.

          Based on HHS data reported by Johns Hopkins, the highest number of hospitalizations was 12,282 on July 22, 2020. Also, many states are no longer reporting data on the weekends which means Monday's data can be cumulative including the weekend.

          https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida










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          • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
            Monday's data wasn't the highest number of hospitalizations since the start of the pandemic.

            Based on HHS data reported by Johns Hopkins, the highest number of hospitalizations was 12,282 on July 22, 2020. Also, many states are no longer reporting data on the weekends which means Monday's data can be cumulative including the weekend.

            https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida
            Whatever man. Take data from John Hopkins over data from the Florida Hospital Association? I don't even know what point you're trying to prove. Whether it was Feb of 2020 or July 2020, it's literally happening again in 2021. And the data collected on Florida - FROM the Florida Hospital Association states Feb of 2020 was the peak.

            I'm still waiting for your pretty little term to describe this? You wrote the Delta variant will soon be talked about as a “tsunami” or “super wave”....

            Record breaking hospitalizations in Florida on 8/3 seems to be something serious that you think is some witty name surrounded by quotations?

            The fact remains - 95% of those hospitalized folks are NOT vaccinated. That's a fact you can't argue against.

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            • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
              Delta variant will soon be talked about as a “tsunami” or “super wave”.

              Also, there should be a speech coming about new restrictions or version of lock downs.
              Originally posted by Peerless View Post

              Whatever man. Take data from John Hopkins over data from the Florida Hospital Association? I don't even know what point you're trying to prove. Whether it was Feb of 2020 or July 2020, it's literally happening again in 2021. And the data collected on Florida - FROM the Florida Hospital Association states Feb of 2020 was the peak.

              I'm still waiting for your pretty little term to describe this? You wrote the Delta variant will soon be talked about as a “tsunami” or “super wave”....

              Record breaking hospitalizations in Florida on 8/3 seems to be something serious that you think is some witty name surrounded by quotations?

              The fact remains - 95% of those hospitalized folks are NOT vaccinated. That's a fact you can't argue against.
              Johns Hopkins data is from Health and Human Services - HHS is the most accurate hospitalization data as each hospital reports directly to HHS. The data collection process from the hospital association isn't guaranteed to be accurate - associations exist to promote their business.

              My original post didn't reference anything about Florida specifically, so not sure where that correlation comes from with regard to the names in quotes?

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              • Originally posted by Peerless View Post

                Whatever man. Take data from John Hopkins over data from the Florida Hospital Association? I don't even know what point you're trying to prove. Whether it was Feb of 2020 or July 2020, it's literally happening again in 2021. And the data collected on Florida - FROM the Florida Hospital Association states Feb of 2020 was the peak.

                I'm still waiting for your pretty little term to describe this? You wrote the Delta variant will soon be talked about as a “tsunami” or “super wave”....

                Record breaking hospitalizations in Florida on 8/3 seems to be something serious that you think is some witty name surrounded by quotations?

                The fact remains - 95% of those hospitalized folks are NOT vaccinated. That's a fact you can't argue against.
                Where is that 95% claim coming from? The only place I could see that number was from the hospital association with a vague reference, "with more than 95% of COVID-19 patients unvaccinated, officials said."

                We don't know the methodology of getting to that number - are they asking every hospitalized patient and/or verifying their vaccine card?

                They can be exaggerating the percentage as a message to push more people to vaccinate.

                Unless you can find the methodology or source behind that 95% claim, it's just someone quoted in a news release. Association "officials" aren't immune from exaggerating.

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                • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

                  Where is that 95% claim coming from? The only place I could see that number was from the hospital association with a vague reference, "with more than 95% of COVID-19 patients unvaccinated, officials said."

                  We don't know the methodology of getting to that number - are they asking every hospitalized patient and/or verifying their vaccine card?

                  They can be exaggerating the percentage as a message to push more people to vaccinate.

                  Unless you can find the methodology or source behind that 95% claim, it's just someone quoted in a news release. Association "officials" aren't immune from exaggerating.
                  It's pretty well known that nationwide - unvaccinated people are in the majority of hospitalized patient's with COVID. It doesn't have to be just Florida, it's across America.

                  A recent released study from Washington State Department of Health revealed the impact of COVID on people who are unvaccinated.

                  New reporting from the Washington State Department of Health reveals the devastating impact of COVID-19 on people who are unvaccinated, and underscores once again the need for people to get vaccinated now if they haven’t already.

                  The new data, released July 28, shows that between February and June 2021, at least 94% of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospitalizations in individuals 12 years or older from Washington state occurred in individuals who were not fully vaccinated. As of July 24, 2021, 61.4% of those eligible to receive vaccines have completed an approved vaccination series in our state.

                  “We urge those who are eligible to get vaccinated. If they still have questions, we encourage them to speak to their healthcare provider,” said Secretary of Health Umair A. Shah, MD, MPH. “We all have a role to protect our community especially those who are most vulnerable.”

                  These data will be updated weekly in the new COVID-19 Cases, Deaths and Hospitalizations in Persons Who Are Not Fully Vaccinated report.

                  The report provides an overview of confirmed or probable COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths among people who are not fully vaccinated in Washington state. “Not fully vaccinated” is defined as those who have not received any dose of a COVID-19 vaccine or have received one or more doses of a COVID-19 vaccine but are not fully protected. Full protection from vaccination occurs about two weeks after receiving the final dose of an authorized COVID-19 vaccine because it typically takes that long for the body to build a high enough level of protection to fight the disease.

                  More details will be added to the report, including demographics and trends, over the next few weeks. The COVID-19 Cases, Deaths and Hospitalizations in Persons Who Are Not Fully Vaccinated report can be found in the reports section on the COVID-19 Data Dashboard.
                  https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Doc...Vaccinated.pdf

                  94% is the figure from the WSDH study; on par with 'the exaggerated ' sources that have come out this week.

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                  • Originally posted by Peerless View Post

                    It's pretty well known that nationwide - unvaccinated people are in the majority of hospitalized patient's with COVID. It doesn't have to be just Florida, it's across America.

                    A recent released study from Washington State Department of Health revealed the impact of COVID on people who are unvaccinated.



                    https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Doc...Vaccinated.pdf

                    94% is the figure from the WSDH study; on par with 'the exaggerated ' sources that have come out this week.
                    "Pretty well known" doesn't validate the 95% claim posted from Florida. That's a random number quoted by an "official" of an association who's job is to promote the "overwhelmed" system to get more resources and drive the narrative to get vaccinated.

                    The Washington State study has several flaws:

                    "People who are not fully vaccinated include those who have not received any dose of a COVID-19 vaccine or have received one or more doses of a COVID-19 vaccine but are not yet fully protected. Full protection from vaccination occurs about 2 weeks after receiving the final dose of an authorized COVID19 vaccine because it typically takes that long for the body to build a high enough level of protection to fight the disease."

                    "Missing or misspelled names and incorrect dates of birth may lead to some vaccinated persons being incorrectly classified as unvaccinated. Cases with vaccines not reported to WAIIS as described above are also reflected as not fully vaccinated."


                    By their methodology they created a higher percentage of "unvaccinated' people, yet the reality is that many of those people started the vaccination process - one dose or two doses without reaching full protection. The methodology drives the perception that all 94% of those people chose not to be vaccinated - that's simply not the case. People don't typically look closely at the study design or methodology - it's easier to throw out a percentage without seeing how it was derived.

                    In the push to create a caste system of the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, it's easy to use flawed methodology and top-line numbers to drive the narrative. Imagine if we castigated people who have other diseases because they didn't seek preventative treatment. Do we castigate people with diabetes or heart disease because they didn't start prevention soon enough?


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                    • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

                      "Pretty well known" doesn't validate the 95% claim posted from Florida. That's a random number quoted by an "official" of an association who's job is to promote the "overwhelmed" system to get more resources and drive the narrative to get vaccinated.

                      The Washington State study has several flaws:

                      "People who are not fully vaccinated include those who have not received any dose of a COVID-19 vaccine or have received one or more doses of a COVID-19 vaccine but are not yet fully protected. Full protection from vaccination occurs about 2 weeks after receiving the final dose of an authorized COVID19 vaccine because it typically takes that long for the body to build a high enough level of protection to fight the disease."

                      "Missing or misspelled names and incorrect dates of birth may lead to some vaccinated persons being incorrectly classified as unvaccinated. Cases with vaccines not reported to WAIIS as described above are also reflected as not fully vaccinated."


                      By their methodology they created a higher percentage of "unvaccinated' people, yet the reality is that many of those people started the vaccination process - one dose or two doses without reaching full protection. The methodology drives the perception that all 94% of those people chose not to be vaccinated - that's simply not the case. People don't typically look closely at the study design or methodology - it's easier to throw out a percentage without seeing how it was derived.

                      In the push to create a caste system of the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, it's easy to use flawed methodology and top-line numbers to drive the narrative. Imagine if we castigated people who have other diseases because they didn't seek preventative treatment. Do we castigate people with diabetes or heart disease because they didn't start prevention soon enough?
                      What study is perfect? The "flawed" term can be used for any study - as it's a STUDY!

                      People who are not fully vaccinated - are not vaccinated. That's pretty simple.

                      People who have had one shot, are also not vaccinated. That's also quite simple.

                      People who had two shots, but don't fall into the 14 day window are also not fully vaccinated.

                      Each of those three scenarios fall under the non vaccinated category. You don't have to like it, but the science shows that once all of those boxes are checked, you are vaccinated.

                      Show me the data on the amount of people who's names were misspelled or incorrect which lead to vaccinated person being incorrectly classified? Is it one person? 10 people? 50? You don't have that number. If it was such a high number which would throw off the study, the study would have been thrown out and disregarded.



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                      • Originally posted by Peerless View Post

                        What study is perfect? The "flawed" term can be used for any study - as it's a STUDY!

                        People who are not fully vaccinated - are not vaccinated. That's pretty simple.

                        People who have had one shot, are also not vaccinated. That's also quite simple.

                        People who had two shots, but don't fall into the 14 day window are also not fully vaccinated.

                        Each of those three scenarios fall under the non vaccinated category. You don't have to like it, but the science shows that once all of those boxes are checked, you are vaccinated.

                        Show me the data on the amount of people who's names were misspelled or incorrect which lead to vaccinated person being incorrectly classified? Is it one person? 10 people? 50? You don't have that number. If it was such a high number which would throw off the study, the study would have been thrown out and disregarded.


                        Who claimed studies are perfect? The Washington State study is deeply flawed - total lack of transparency by not publishing the number of mismatches. Your guess is as good as mine, which reinforces the % actually unvaccinated is unknown.

                        The 95% claim from Florida - just an anonymous association “official”. Absolutely no data behind that claim posted.





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                        • Imagine being a restaurant, gym, or theatre owner in New York City with the new vaccine passport, “Key to NYC Pass”. One third or more of your customer base eliminated - oof.

                          The lock downs crushed the restaurant and entertainment business in NYC. Just when they started to recover they’re getting hit again with the new vaccine passport.

                          But, they’ll let people dine indoors with just one dose, not fully vaccinated (if not the one jab vaccine). They’ll still let people potentially spread Covid by letting them in with one dose 🤔

                          No wonder people leave NY in droves for Florida.
                          Last edited by Fantaztic7; 08-03-2021, 07:12 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Peerless View Post

                            Who knows. But it still sounds like Ivermectin is lacking in the 'treats COVID' support train.



                            Studies are still being done of course at Oxford.
                            I think it is pretty obvious people on the profit train and an older drug is not going to get the same kind of profit as the brand new stuff. It is not that big a deal now that we have the vaccines but I think it is criminal people had to use courts to get doctors to save their loved ones before the vaccines were available to most people.

                            It seems there are 60 studies now. 31 were random controlled and 34 peer reviewed.

                            Meta analysis of 60 studies on Ivermectin and Covid 19 by Bryant, published in the American Journal of Therapeutics. (Version 93 Updated 21/6/21)

                            This is a brief 3000-word synopsis of the analysis of all significant studies concerning the use of ivermectin for COVID-19. Search methods, inclusion criteria, effect extraction criteria (more serious outcomes have priority), all individual study data, PRISMA answers, and statistical methods are detailed. Random effects of meta-analysis results for all studies, for studies within each treatment stage, for mortality results, for COVID-19 case results, for viral clearance results, for peer-reviewed studies, for Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs), and after exclusions are presented.

                            Please read the original 18 000-word comprehensive research analysis should you need more detail and insight into the methodology on https://ivmmeta.com/.
                            https://www.biznews.com/health/2021/...ermectin-study
                            Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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                            • Where relevant, that is another great point which is being missed in the vaccine passport conversations. Business owners will have a segment of the market removed by government which as you point out, have already been the ones who have suffered the most throughout the last 18 months. I again wont enter the vaccine arguments people are having, but the government intervention on citizens lives continues to breach what I feel is reasonable.

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                              • New York measured Covid spread through tracing and stats showed restaurants and bars were really low risk (can’t recall if restaurants were the lowest). Yet here they are, mandating passports which goes completely against their own findings.

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