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  • Ontario, Canada doesn’t easily show what portion of it’s COVID deaths are vaccinated, but today’s COVID ICU hospitalizations has 51.5% as FULLY vaccinated.

    Data available at www.covid-19.ontario.ca

    When people say ICUs are filled only with unvaccinated patients this simply isn’t true - data shows us a different reality.

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    • Originally posted by BroncosNewEra View Post
      Ontario, Canada doesn’t easily show what portion of it’s COVID deaths are vaccinated, but today’s COVID ICU hospitalizations has 51.5% as FULLY vaccinated.

      Data available at www.covid-19.ontario.ca

      When people say ICUs are filled only with unvaccinated patients this simply isn’t true - data shows us a different reality.
      Must be a lot of fake vaccine cards in Canada. Because there’s no way there’s a 51.5% vaccinated in ICU.
      you’re just pushing misinformation
      https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/cor...1_5738198.html
      Inside an ICU where 70 per cent of COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated

      https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6315681
      In this Ontario hospital, it's mostly the unvaccinated who are overwhelming the ICU

      https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/c...k-ontario/amp/
      Unvaccinated 60 times more likely to end up in ICU with COVID-19, Ontario data shows

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      • Another example:

        Massachusetts averaged 63.38 COVID deaths over the 7 days ending with Jan 22nd. This is 443 COVID deaths in 7 days.

        In the same 7 days MA added 275 VACCINATED Coronavirus deaths.

        275 is 62.0% of 443.

        Source: mass.gov/info-details/c…

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        • Originally posted by Locutus View Post
          Must be a lot of fake vaccine cards in Canada. Because there’s no way there’s a 51.5% vaccinated in ICU.
          you’re just pushing misinformation
          https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/cor...1_5738198.html
          Inside an ICU where 70 per cent of COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated

          https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6315681
          In this Ontario hospital, it's mostly the unvaccinated who are overwhelming the ICU

          https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/c...k-ontario/amp/
          Unvaccinated 60 times more likely to end up in ICU with COVID-19, Ontario data shows
          The data is from the government’s Ministry of Health. Vaccination records are in the Ontario province’s database, unless someone got their vaccine outside of Ontario. Patient hospitalization records are tracked to the vaccination status.

          This is the most accurate data you’re going to have.

          Saying there’s “no way” is a response to seeing data you don’t want to see. The data is literally from Ontario’s government reporting dashboard.



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          • Originally posted by BroncosNewEra View Post
            Ontario, Canada doesn’t easily show what portion of it’s COVID deaths are vaccinated, but today’s COVID ICU hospitalizations has 51.5% as FULLY vaccinated.

            Data available at www.covid-19.ontario.ca

            When people say ICUs are filled only with unvaccinated patients this simply isn’t true - data shows us a different reality.
            Originally posted by Locutus View Post
            Must be a lot of fake vaccine cards in Canada. Because there’s no way there’s a 51.5% vaccinated in ICU.
            you’re just pushing misinformation
            https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/cor...1_5738198.html
            Inside an ICU where 70 per cent of COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated

            https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6315681
            In this Ontario hospital, it's mostly the unvaccinated who are overwhelming the ICU

            https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/c...k-ontario/amp/
            Unvaccinated 60 times more likely to end up in ICU with COVID-19, Ontario data shows
            Oh Canada! We're so bad.

            Give me a break. There's a lot worse than than what's going on here.

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            • Originally posted by BroncosNewEra View Post
              Another example:

              Massachusetts averaged 63.38 COVID deaths over the 7 days ending with Jan 22nd. This is 443 COVID deaths in 7 days.

              In the same 7 days MA added 275 VACCINATED Coronavirus deaths.

              275 is 62.0% of 443.

              Source: mass.gov/info-details/c…
              Not so much.
              https://www.wcvb.com/article/massach...2022/38785197#
              Tracking the omicron surge in Massachusetts: Coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and vaccine information
              0.01% deaths among some elderly and people with compromised immune systems.

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              • Originally posted by Locutus View Post
                Must be a lot of fake vaccine cards in Canada. Because there’s no way there’s a 51.5% vaccinated in ICU.
                you’re just pushing misinformation
                https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/cor...1_5738198.html
                Inside an ICU where 70 per cent of COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated

                https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6315681
                In this Ontario hospital, it's mostly the unvaccinated who are overwhelming the ICU

                https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/c...k-ontario/amp/
                Unvaccinated 60 times more likely to end up in ICU with COVID-19, Ontario data shows
                So I checked your last attachment. As I noted on the previous page, the stat about vaccines being 60 plus times more effective for serious covid cases than not being vaccinated, was also stated on CNN a few days back. Seems to be that those stats might be more accurate than some think, given it's coming from 2 different sources. Reputable ones. Of course some are not going to like the CNN side of this.

                But this is why I don't get caught up in proving the obvious here. I could post 100s of legitimate studies proving that covid vaccines are and have been much more effective, but odds are some will dispute them. And to be honest, in past when we had studies/reports presented here supporting the unvax side, once you dug in and traced the source, there was a link between that source with anti vax groups. It was not about being objective.

                At this point, with all that's happened and nearing the end possibly, if you don't buy into the vaccines there is very little point debating it. If there's still a debate, it is not worth the discussion, because folks are not changing sides. Some are happy with their conclusion about not getting vaxxed. I think that's a very unwise choice, but I do respect that some have very, very good reasons. There are always exceptions.
                Last edited by CanDB; 01-30-2022, 07:48 AM.

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                • Originally posted by CanDB View Post

                  So I checked your last attachment. As I noted on the previous page, the stat about vaccines being 60 plus times more effective for serious covid cases versus not being vaccinated was stated on CNN a few days back. Seems to be that those stats might be more accurate than some think, given it's coming from 2 different sources. Reputable ones.

                  But this is why I don't get caught up in proving the obvious her. I could post 100s of legitimate studies proving that covid vaccines are much more effective, but odds are some will dispute them. And to be honest, in past when we had studies/reports presented here, once you dug in and traced the source, there was a link with that source with anti vax groups.

                  At this point, with all that's happened and nearing the end possibly, if you don't buy into the vaccines there is very little point debating it. If there's still a debate, it is not worth the discussion, because folks are not changing sides. Some are happy with their conclusion about not getting vaxxed. I think that's a very unwise conclusion, but I do respect that some have very, very good reasons. There are always exceptions.
                  I’m aware of that,but I wanted for those who may or may not be on either side of the issue to see the actual facts as opposed to the misinformation that is out there.

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                  • Originally posted by Locutus View Post
                    Must be a lot of fake vaccine cards in Canada. Because there’s no way there’s a 51.5% vaccinated in ICU.
                    you’re just pushing misinformation
                    https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/cor...1_5738198.html
                    Inside an ICU where 70 per cent of COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated

                    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6315681
                    In this Ontario hospital, it's mostly the unvaccinated who are overwhelming the ICU

                    https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/c...k-ontario/amp/
                    Unvaccinated 60 times more likely to end up in ICU with COVID-19, Ontario data shows
                    Did you even read the first linked article? It doesn’t seem as though you read the article. The article cites Ontario’s data, which is the source I posted:

                    “Ontario is reporting 3,448 people hospitalized with COVID-19, and 505 in the ICU, a number that experts are worried could increase over time. Among the ICU cases for which vaccination status was reported as of Jan. 12, 157 were unvaccinated, 19 were partially vaccinated and 167 were fully vaccinated.”

                    Also, the article was from January 12 - data I posted is current through January 28 since Ontario doesn’t update the reports on weekends. The data changed since January 12, with a higher percentage of fully vaccinated patients in the ICU.

                    Based on the quote from the article you posted, 48.6% of the 343 vaccination reported ICU patients were FULLY vaccinated.

                    When you said there must have been fake vaccine cards reported, the very article you linked included data from the same source I posted.

                    That means you’re literally saying you posted misinformation - did you realize that?

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                    • Originally posted by Locutus View Post

                      I’m aware of that, but I wanted for those who may or may not be on either side of the issue to see the actual facts as opposed to the misinformation that is out there.
                      There is a ton of misinformation. A lot of it is dangerous too, because some are trying to steer folks away from what will quite possibly save their lives. But Canada has been one of the safer countries in the world since the pandemic started. This country has had its issues, and there are multiple provinces that do things different, so lets not oversimplify. But I like the balance we have tried to achieve between saving lives and supporting the economy. But yeah, I'm a big fan of preserving life, no matter the age or the condition. And if for example a person is born with a deficiency, I don't pretend to look the other way.

                      And as a famous American once stated it....

                      "“the measure of society is how it treats the weakest members"


                      Stay safe. Respect others.

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                      • Originally posted by Locutus View Post

                        I’m aware of that,but I wanted for those who may or may not be on either side of the issue to see the actual facts as opposed to the misinformation that is out there.
                        You literally said Ontario’s government reported data was misinformation, then you linked an article that quoted the same source from Ontario.

                        Do you realize what that does to your credibility?

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                        • Originally posted by Locutus View Post

                          Not so much.
                          https://www.wcvb.com/article/massach...2022/38785197#
                          Tracking the omicron surge in Massachusetts: Coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and vaccine information
                          0.01% deaths among some elderly and people with compromised immune systems.
                          Did you realize the article you linked cites the same source I cited from www.mass.dph? See the screen capture from the article you linked - same source.

                          What’s your point attempting to challenge data from the same source?

                          We can see deaths of breakthrough cases, which are referenced as vaccinated.


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                          • Originally posted by BroncosNewEra View Post

                            Did you realize the article you linked cites the same source I cited from www.mass.dph? See the screen capture from the article you linked - same source.

                            What’s your point attempting to challenge data from the same source?

                            We can see deaths of breakthrough cases, which are referenced as vaccinated.

                            1,400 deaths out of a million. That’s about 0.01% and as far as hospitalization goes it’s 5,000 which about 0.05% of vaccinated. So no there is no 51.5% vaccinated occupying ICUs.

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                            • Originally posted by Locutus View Post

                              1,400 deaths out of a million. That’s about 0.01% and as far as hospitalization goes it’s 5,000 which about 0.05% of vaccinated. So no there is no 51.5% vaccinated occupying ICUs.
                              51.5% fully vaccinated hospitalized in ICUs is specific to Ontario province.

                              I think you’re conflating Ontario province with Massachusetts?

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                              • Originally posted by BroncosNewEra

                                Address this data with ICU hospitalizations in Ontario province as of Jan 28 - these patients are those with reported vaccine status:

                                199 unvaccinated
                                18 partially vaccinated
                                231 fully vaccinated
                                448 ICU hospitalized with vaccination status reported
                                231/448 = 51.5% fully vaccinated in ICUs in Ontario

                                Source: www.covid-19.ontario.ca

                                There are more fully vaccinated patients in the ICU compared with unvaccinated.

                                This debunks the conspiracy of hospitals being overrun with unvaccinated patients.
                                Originally posted by BroncosNewEra

                                There are literally more fully vaccinated patients hospitalized in the ICUs across Ontario as of January 28, but go on.
                                Well, you're not taking into account the fact that there are nearly 8x as many vaccinated people in Ontario as there are unvaccinated.... so the fact that there's nearly a 50/50 split in the ICU means that your chances of hitting the ICU are about 8x higher unvaccinated.

                                From the same site, though your link was broken.

                                https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

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