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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Me and my wife have changed our diets together, we take walks, lift weights 3x a week. Nothing crazy but we realize we can’t just hide from Covid, if we get it we want to be ready and in the best shape we can.
    The same way if a hurricane is coming or a tornado you get away from it or seek safety. Covid is coming for the weak, if you don’t do anything about it then you may be a victim. The elderly in New York got Covid and were sent back in to nursing homes where they infected other people who were being quarantined, the streets all over the country had millions protesting last summer, those two examples alone should show us that governments can’t protect us we have to take responsibility and no we can’t save everyone but we can take care of ourselves and our families in many ways. #1 is nutrition, sleep, and exercise. Then vaccines for those who are in advance age and have underlying conditions.
    I think we are again, sticking by our stories. I'll try not to continue discussing. At some point it's interesting, but this is very complex, has different impacts on individuals, was governed/administered different, and is not necessarily fully understood by even the best of scientists/medical folks (though they are the #1 folks to listen to).

    I believe good health is a positive factor for many obvious reasons. But there's more to this than that, and though it's great that you took a proactive approach, not so easy for everyone in such harsh times. I won't get into protests, because I am not qualified to fully appreciate why they protested as they did, though many were abiding by the rules. I could say more, but that's off topic. That's a covid issue but also a very real other issue. And if we go there, I think you will agree that certain "leaders" promoted unsafe rallies. Just because.

    So lets try to focus on the going forward and not the yesterday.

    The pandemic may not be close to being over, and so yes, lets all be wise. But for the record, yes of course health is a factor in most all we do.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

    Do you think those risk groups only get it from each other?
    No, but why can’t we use our resources on putting them in safer situations?
    The NFL had how many deaths?
    The NBA ? If those leagues can do that then we can set up those in danger much better.
    They may have to sacrifice seeing loved ones but that’s what the whole country has been asked to do right? And no where was it successful in preventing no cases or deaths.

    The truth is many laws are made that only hurt law abiding citizens and don’t prevent the real criminals. The majority of Covid in my opinion is spread by the youth who know they will barley get sick if they even have symptoms, they don’t care. So the country lockdown and put out of business law abiding citizens so to try and stop those who don’t care and still do there thing.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    But as much as I agree with you about good health, how do you suddenly become healthier in an urgent pandemic?? Do you think everyone at home was going to all change diets/exercising routines, when they are in the stressful times including the concern for being safe, the concern for loved ones who got infected, the stresses of job and schooling in confusing times, the social adjustment that many had to endure with so much lack of clarity ahead, and possibly some serious financial concerns. That to me is a recipe for stress and even negative health, versus a sudden health reboot.

    Again, we are talking two different things, one about good health practices (which is a worthy mission), and two, a sudden pandemic that did not exactly drive all of us to eating/exercising better.
    Me and my wife have changed our diets together, we take walks, lift weights 3x a week. Nothing crazy but we realize we can’t just hide from Covid, if we get it we want to be ready and in the best shape we can.
    The same way if a hurricane is coming or a tornado you get away from it or seek safety. Covid is coming for the weak, if you don’t do anything about it then you may be a victim. The elderly in New York got Covid and were sent back in to nursing homes where they infected other people who were being quarantined, the streets all over the country had millions protesting last summer, those two examples alone should show us that governments can’t protect us we have to take responsibility and no we can’t save everyone but we can take care of ourselves and our families in many ways. #1 is nutrition, sleep, and exercise. Then vaccines for those who are in advance age and have underlying conditions.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    I’m talking about the US. And if we want to be serious about saving lives why are we not focusing on the facts. 90% of Covid death worldwide have come from the worlds most overweight countries. That and advance age are two major keys in fighting Covid.
    staying home has resulted in the majority in our country getting less healthy. Most have gained weight, have gotten less vitamin d from the sun, and little to no exercise. That is not a good plan against a virus that kills the weak & obese.
    If leaders, scientists etc. don’t want to get the country in better health #1 then please stop talking about saving lives because unhealthy lifestyles kill more people than Covid ever will.
    But as much as I agree with you about good health, how do you suddenly become healthier in an urgent pandemic?? Do you think everyone at home was going to all change diets/exercising routines, when they are in the stressful times including the concern for being safe, the concern for loved ones who got infected, the stresses of job and schooling in confusing times, the social adjustment that many had to endure with so much lack of clarity ahead, and possibly some serious financial concerns. That to me is a recipe for stress and even negative health, versus a sudden health reboot.

    Again, we are talking two different things, one about good health practices (which is a worthy mission), and two, a sudden pandemic that did not exactly drive all of us to eating/exercising better.

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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    We need to encourage the weak to get strong when it comes to obesity.

    Until we take the obesity epidemic seriously, Covid will continue to wreak havoc on Americans ( the most overweight country in the world). The lockdowns have caused the majority of the country to gain weight due to door dash, depression, and gym closures.

    The way elderly were sent into nursing homes with Covid shows clearly how our country treat the weak.
    very sad, unfortunately we have spent way to much time and money worrying about everyone not getting the virus when the real focus should be on the elderly & people with underlying conditions.
    30 million cases in the United States and 500 k have passed away. 95% are over 50 & over 50% are obese. Don’t talk about science when
    we know who the majority of the victims are.
    Lockdowns don’t work because they focus on everyone and not those most at risk.
    Do you think those risk groups only get it from each other?

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    58.....cmon, they have worked in parts of the world. Or is this strictly a US version that you are talking about? Regardless, lockdowns have worked, so they can work anywhere. It's how, not if.
    I’m talking about the US. And if we want to be serious about saving lives why are we not focusing on the facts. 90% of Covid death worldwide have come from the worlds most overweight countries. That and advance age are two major keys in fighting Covid.
    staying home has resulted in the majority in our country getting less healthy. Most have gained weight, have gotten less vitamin d from the sun, and little to no exercise. That is not a good plan against a virus that kills the weak & obese.
    If leaders, scientists etc. don’t want to get the country in better health #1 then please stop talking about saving lives because unhealthy lifestyles kill more people than Covid ever will.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    We need to encourage the weak to get strong when it comes to obesity.

    Until we take the obesity epidemic seriously, Covid will continue to wreak havoc on Americans ( the most overweight country in the world). The lockdowns have caused the majority of the country to gain weight due to door dash, depression, and gym closures.

    The way elderly were sent into nursing homes with Covid shows clearly how our country treat the weak.
    very sad, unfortunately we have spent way to much time and money worrying about everyone not getting the virus when the real focus should be on the elderly & people with underlying conditions.
    30 million cases in the United States and 500 k have passed away. 95% are over 50 & over 50% are obese. Don’t talk about science when
    we know who the majority of the victims are.
    Lockdowns don’t work because they focus on everyone and not those most at risk.
    58.....cmon, they have worked in parts of the world. Or is this strictly a US version that you are talking about? Regardless, lockdowns have worked, so they can work anywhere. It's how, not if.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    I think we've discussed this basic stuff many times throughout the thread, as to what Peanut said, and to which I mentioned as well earlier. But to frame this properly, I don't think anyone doubts the value of good health. There is nothing to debate about taking care of oneself. But lets also factor in that people have health issues which they are not responsible for, or they may have been misfortunate to acquire, and many older folks...who are in pretty good shape for their age, can not be blamed for "aging". Because of my age, I know a lot about what goes on with folks of this age. Many of them I know are as active as many younger folks. I happen to think a lot of us baby boomers are doing well, and look pretty good considering. BUT....I also know that many folks in my age bracket are quite likely to be taking a med of some sort. Perhaps blood pressure. Perhaps other low dosage meds. That is not a crime, but it verifies that older folks are having to deal with a battle of health, no matter how healthy they try to be.

    Plus the facts that younger folks have caught it and passed it on, or even succumbed to it.

    Plus many of those who are less healthy may be the victims of mental related issues, and have difficulty coping.

    So I am always careful when I think I know what is causing what. because in some cases, the evidence is not complete.

    And I go back to this statement about humanity.....

    I believe Mahatma Ghandi said “A nation’s greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.”

    And I also have read that Thomas Jefferson stated:

    “the measure of society is how it treats the weakest members”


    I assume both are correct quotes, but I really am only looking for evidence of one. Because I agree with the concept.




    We need to encourage the weak to get strong when it comes to obesity.

    Until we take the obesity epidemic seriously, Covid will continue to wreak havoc on Americans ( the most overweight country in the world). The lockdowns have caused the majority of the country to gain weight due to door dash, depression, and gym closures.

    The way elderly were sent into nursing homes with Covid shows clearly how our country treat the weak.
    very sad, unfortunately we have spent way to much time and money worrying about everyone not getting the virus when the real focus should be on the elderly & people with underlying conditions.
    30 million cases in the United States and 500 k have passed away. 95% are over 50 & over 50% are obese. Don’t talk about science when
    we know who the majority of the victims are.
    Lockdowns don’t work because they focus on everyone and not those most at risk.
    Last edited by 58Miller; 04-08-2021, 11:22 AM.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Leaders need to get gyms opened and provide nutritional experts and personal trainers to fight this epidemic. I believe the vaccine can help some but not all.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...y-coronavirus/



    Obesity is the countries biggest issue right now.

    Researchers found that by the end of 2020, global Covid-19 death rates were more than 10 times higher in countries where more than half the adults are overweight, compared to countries where fewer than half are overweight.
    The team examined mortality data from Johns Hopkins University (JHU) and the World Health Organization (WHO) and found that of 2.5 million Covid-19 deaths reported by the end of February, 2.2 million were in countries where more than half the population is overweight.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/healt...ntl/index.html




    I think we've discussed this basic stuff many times throughout the thread, as to what Peanut said, and to which I mentioned as well earlier. But to frame this properly, I don't think anyone doubts the value of good health. There is nothing to debate about taking care of oneself. But lets also factor in that people have health issues which they are not responsible for, or they may have been misfortunate to acquire, and many older folks...who are in pretty good shape for their age, can not be blamed for "aging". Because of my age, I know a lot about what goes on with folks of this age. Many of them I know are as active as many younger folks. I happen to think a lot of us baby boomers are doing well, and look pretty good considering. BUT....I also know that many folks in my age bracket are quite likely to be taking a med of some sort. Perhaps blood pressure. Perhaps other low dosage meds. That is not a crime, but it verifies that older folks are having to deal with a battle of health, no matter how healthy they try to be.

    Plus the facts that younger folks have caught it and passed it on, or even succumbed to it.

    Plus many of those who are less healthy may be the victims of mental related issues, and have difficulty coping.

    So I am always careful when I think I know what is causing what. because in some cases, the evidence is not complete.

    And I go back to this statement about humanity.....

    I believe Mahatma Ghandi said “A nation’s greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.”

    And I also have read that Thomas Jefferson stated:

    “the measure of society is how it treats the weakest members”


    I assume both are correct quotes, but I really am only looking for evidence of one. Because I agree with the concept.





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  • 58Miller
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    Leaders need to get gyms opened and provide nutritional experts and personal trainers to fight this epidemic. I believe the vaccine can help some but not all.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...y-coronavirus/



    Obesity is the countries biggest issue right now.

    Researchers found that by the end of 2020, global Covid-19 death rates were more than 10 times higher in countries where more than half the adults are overweight, compared to countries where fewer than half are overweight.
    The team examined mortality data from Johns Hopkins University (JHU) and the World Health Organization (WHO) and found that of 2.5 million Covid-19 deaths reported by the end of February, 2.2 million were in countries where more than half the population is overweight.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/healt...ntl/index.html





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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post

    Learn to live with unnecessary death just because....REALLY?
    What is a necessary death?
    Close to 60 thousand have died in California which has been lockdown for a year with strict mask mandates. Seems like people are dying in states closed and open ( the highest rate of death in the strictest state New Jersey)

    Below are deaths from Covid, are these all necessary? Regardless of lockdowns and mask mandates deaths happen, people died before Covid from old age and unhealthy lifestyles, those same people are not fairing well vs Covid.

    Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people in all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C. The data was last updated at 6:42 a.m. CDT.

    Note: These are the latest numbers available. The list includes ties.

    New Jersey: 278
    Population: 8.9 million residents

    New York: 258
    Population: 19.4 million

    Massachusetts: 252
    Population: 6.9 million

    Rhode Island: 248
    Population: 1.1 million

    Mississippi: 238
    Population: 3 million

    Arizona: 234
    Population: 7.3 million

    Connecticut: 222
    Population: 3.6 million

    Louisiana: 219
    Population: 4.6 million

    South Dakota: 219
    Population: 884,659

    Alabama: 217
    Population: 4.9 million

    Pennsylvania: 198
    Population: 12.8 million

    North Dakota: 197
    Population: 762,062

    Indiana: 194
    Population: 6.7 million

    New Mexico: 189
    Population: 2.1 million

    Arkansas: 187
    Population: 3 million

    Illinois: 187
    Population: 12.7 million

    Iowa: 185
    Population: 3.2 million

    South Carolina: 179
    Population: 5.1 million

    Georgia: 176
    Population: 10.6 million

    Michigan: 174
    Population: 10 million

    Tennessee: 174
    Population: 6.8 million

    Nevada: 172
    Population: 3.1 million

    Kansas: 169
    Population: 2.9 million

    Texas: 169
    Population: 30 million

    Delaware: 161
    Population: 973,764

    Ohio: 160
    Population: 11.7 million

    Florida: 157
    Population: 21.5 million

    District of Columbia: 152
    Population: 705,749

    California: 151
    Population: 39.5 million

    West Virginia: 151
    Population: 1.8 million

    Missouri: 147
    Population: 6.1 million

    Kentucky: 141
    Population: 4.5 million

    Maryland: 139
    Population: 6 million

    Montana: 138
    Population: 1.1 million

    Wisconsin: 126
    Population: 5.8 million

    Oklahoma: 125
    Population: 4 million

    Minnesota: 124
    Population: 5.6 million

    Virginia: 122
    Population: 8.5 million

    Wyoming: 121
    Population: 578,759

    Nebraska: 118
    Population: 1.9 million

    North Carolina: 116
    Population: 10.5 million

    Idaho: 111
    Population: 1.8 million

    Colorado: 108
    Population: 5.8 million

    New Hampshire: 92
    Population: 1.4 million

    Washington: 70
    Population: 7.6 million

    Utah: 67
    Population: 3.2 million

    Oregon: 58
    Population: 4.2 million

    Maine: 55
    Population: 1.3 million

    Alaska: 41
    Population: 731,545

    Vermont: 37
    Population: 623,989

    Hawaii: 33
    Population: 1.4 million



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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    I’m not slamming any cities or those in charge, I can’t say I would have done any better.

    I believe we are talking about the States in this country. And the highest death counts have come from states that have been locked down. Just like gun laws, states and cities with the strictest laws have some of the worst gun violence numbers. We all want Covid cases and deaths lower. The lockdowns done in the US have not proven to be much better the states that have reopened.
    So the issue is Covid, I believe the same as I have from the beginning “we need to learn how to live with it”! If you are scared then don’t go anywhere, stay home if you think that is wise, get vaccinated etc, don’t shut down people who choose to live with Covid. Why can’t all those that are worried lockdown and let those who believe in there immune systems and living healthy lives live! Example: people who are overweight continue to eat junk food and not exercise want me to wear a mask so I don’t effect them? Sorry that’s not a world I want to live in.

    millions died from the flu and we didn’t run and hide from it we learned to live with it. We need to do the same with Covid.
    Learn to live with unnecessary death just because....REALLY?

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  • CanDB
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    What is bothersome to me is that Ontario, our most populated province, is undergoing yet another bad stage of Covid. I hear that British Columbia and Alberta are facing some real variant problems. I had predicted a few months back that, with the vaccine roll out, and special gatherings around The Christmas/New Year season no longer a big issue, the improvements would be incremental and pretty much positive. But here we are, with various places on the planet seemingly going into another period of high caution.

    But as long as the variants do not mess with the vaccines, and with accelerated roll out activity, I still believe we will be looking much better by summer.

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  • Peanut
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    In fairness, some of our posts reflect change. For me it's a lot to do with getting vaccinated, along with many friends/family members. My inner circle has talked a lot about their vaccinations, or those to come, and have commented on various aspects of the process of late. Most of us have been waiting to get vaccinated and thankfully we are now in that phase of solution.

    Another thing that's changed is the increasing variant activity, and the fact that many regions are experiencing setbacks once again. And as we speak, further to my first comment, many regions are experiencing vaccine roll out issues, or success stories. For me, Covid is a fluid situation, and we will be presented new information on a regular basis, for a long time to come. Hopefully more of the "positive" nature.

    So I don't think this thread has become old news. I think we are far from saying goodbye to Covid, its impacts, progress, how we live with it going forward....unless of course you mean that some discussion seems to go back to old debates about masks and so forth, even conflicting studies, to which I would agree with you.
    That's what I was referring to. Views / opinions voiced in this thread.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Peanut View Post

    Peanut the member:

    No, it doesn't.

    And, no, I am not going to post "proof" of my statement. Because someone else will come up with "proof" to counter it. Because you can find anything on the internet.

    Most of us who are on hydroxychloroquine (Lupus, RA, etc) haven't gotten "severe reactions" because we have been self-isolating and doing everything to protect ourselves from other people.

    Peanut the mod:

    I only read this thread because I'm a mod. People have been talking in circles. Nothing has changed.
    In fairness, some of our posts reflect change. For me it's a lot to do with getting vaccinated, along with many friends/family members. My inner circle has talked a lot about their vaccinations, or those to come, and have commented on various aspects of the process of late. Most of us have been waiting to get vaccinated and thankfully we are now in that phase of solution.

    Another thing that's changed is the increasing variant activity, and the fact that many regions are experiencing setbacks once again. And as we speak, further to my first comment, many regions are experiencing vaccine roll out issues, or success stories. For me, Covid is a fluid situation, and we will be presented new information on a regular basis, for a long time to come. Hopefully more of the "positive" nature.

    So I don't think this thread has become old news. I think we are far from saying goodbye to Covid, its impacts, progress, how we live with it going forward....unless of course you mean that some discussion seems to go back to old debates about masks and so forth, even conflicting studies, to which I would agree with you.
    Last edited by CanDB; 04-07-2021, 02:58 PM.

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