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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7

    The writer is immaterial - the data is the data.
    OK.......so do you not think that quote is a bit questionable. I mean, it seems to be saying that we are basically completely wrong, or that their vaccines are different, or that a new type of variant is out there that basically likes vaccines. What do you think it is?

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    CanDB I did not want to quote your whole post but I am curious about the number of positive cases in your area.

    1. Is the number of positive cases more, less or equal to before vaccines were available?
    2. Is the delta variant considered the main variant in your area?

    To add. I do not think anyone can argue and have a point about the effectiveness of vaccines of preventing hospitalization and death. I have not seen a single person argue against that point in all my research of Covid19. It is extremely obvious that is the ONLY thing mainstream media and establishment health system want everyone focused on.....and the delta variant. It is extremely obvious to me even my local news stations are focused on these two points....about every hour I see a story on these two points on the local news.

    We should start a new thread about media. John Oliver shows brought some things to my attention about how even local news can be "captured" but I have learned a lot in the past 18 months about just how controlled the news is we get to our television. I think it would blow peoples minds away if anyone ever did a deep dive about just how many resources are put into controlling the information brought to our television.
    The positive cases are down significantly since the vaccinations arrived, and have declined fairly steadily since.

    To be honest, I do not know the current makeup of the cases, but based on what we hear, I suspect it is a reasonable mix of the original and variants, But say in Winnipeg, with a metropolitan population of over 800,000, the most recent case number I have was just 12, on Thursday, with a positivity rate of just 1.4%. At some point just a few months back, we had a positivity rate of over 15%!

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    This guy does a good job explaining things imo. Youtube suggested his videos to me because I am crazy deep into COVID19 info.

    CanDB you may want to check out his other videos. He does a real good job comparing countries on a per population level. Canada seems to be doing as good as Australia and New Zealand.

    Very informative! Thank you.

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  • Hadez
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    CanDB I did not want to quote your whole post but I am curious about the number of positive cases in your area.

    1. Is the number of positive cases more, less or equal to before vaccines were available?
    2. Is the delta variant considered the main variant in your area?

    To add. I do not think anyone can argue and have a point about the effectiveness of vaccines of preventing hospitalization and death. I have not seen a single person argue against that point in all my research of Covid19. It is extremely obvious that is the ONLY thing mainstream media and establishment health system want everyone focused on.....and the delta variant. It is extremely obvious to me even my local news stations are focused on these two points....about every hour I see a story on these two points on the local news.

    We should start a new thread about media. John Oliver shows brought some things to my attention about how even local news can be "captured" but I have learned a lot in the past 18 months about just how controlled the news is we get to our television. I think it would blow peoples minds away if anyone ever did a deep dive about just how many resources are put into controlling the information brought to our television.

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  • CanDB
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    My trust in vaccines goes as follows. Every day I read/listen to multiple sources of covid info. Some yes from CNN, but also our local news, national news and some international news. FTR, I have a lot of respect for our local medical experts, who seem very, very educated and on top of the most current covid related info. Last I saw, the most prominent local medical experts are clearly supported by about 80% of our population, which is pretty high given the ups and downs of the last year and half, plus the usual negativity towards people in those jobs. Anyway....unless every one of them, with their different backgrounds and mindsets and reporting structures is in lockstep, and as some here may try to conclude - in a cover up of some sort, I am not sure where the controversy lies. In every different source I follow, vaccines are clearly dealing with covid-19 and variants, with superior results.

    If folks want to take aim at vaccines (masks, etc.), and of course look for sources that support them (and there certainly are many), that's fine. But if I am betting on my life, I go vaccines, no matter my age or health situation. And as I've beaten to death (for some), if I care about the staff and resources related to our hospitals, and patients who are being postponed from assessment/treatments/surgeries because of the hospital backlogs, I absolutely go vaccination....twice. I am sure folks can cherry pick the info they want to support their case, but the vaccination results are beyond cherry picking and such. They are overwhelmingly conclusive. In my province we are now about 80% one shot vaccinated and 70% fully vaccinated, and rising, and our cases are getting closer and closer to some normalcy. I keep my fingers crossed of course, because who knows what's around the corner. But the trends / causes are almost undeniable.

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  • Hadez
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    Vaccine mandates.

    This is another reason people do not trust the government. Even some people on the "mainstream" side understand a vaccine mandate for something still under Emergency Authorization is bad.

    Also the vaccine manufacturers are protected by the government.

    If they want to give normal authorization and remove government protection from the manufacturers then I think we can have a legit mandate conversation. They also need to start mandating all reporting for side effects and being completely transparent on the side effects. I think they should also use the same methodology for counting side effects as they did for counting Covid19 deaths. I am cool if that means they reduce the deaths reported to keep it consistent with side effect reporting as long as there is a clear message the death totals have been changed.

    I have more concerns but I think that is a really good start.
    Last edited by Hadez; 08-01-2021, 08:32 AM.

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  • Hadez
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    IMO this speaks to why some people are vaccine hesitant and why other people do not understand why people are vaccine hesitant.

    Big Tech and Mainstream Media are hiding this from the public claiming guidance from Establishment Health System. It is why people watch one set of "news" and have one opinion but watch another set of "news" and have a different opinion.

    Honestly we should be free to discuss issues. People should bring facts to points of view they do not like...not censorship when it comes to vaccine pros/cons and life saving treatment.

    I bolded the part I assume makes him "single most qualified" but tbh I do not like the title. He is a knowledgeable person but he is just another qualified person with a different opinion.

    'Single most qualified' mRNA expert speaks about vaccine risks after he says YouTube banned his video
    https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-q...173600060.html


    The man who invented the mRNA technology used in some coronavirus vaccines says he was censored by YouTube for sharing his concerns on the vaccines in a podcast.

    "[O]ne of my concerns are that the government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are. And so, I'm of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept a vaccine or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines," said Dr. Robert Malone during a Wednesday segment on Fox News's Tucker Carlson Tonight, saying YouTube deleted a video of him speaking about the associated risks.

    Opening the segment, Carlson shared some studies showing heart inflammation and death correlating with the use of the vaccines.

    "A Norwegian study conducted of 100 nursing home residents who died after receiving Pfizer's corona shots. They found that at least 10 of those deaths were likely caused by the vaccine. 10%," Carlson said.

    "Young adults in the prime of their lives are being forced to take the vaccine because Tony Fauci said that," he said, contending Malone’s expertise makes him "the single most qualified" person to share information about the technology and warrants him "a right to speak."

    Malone clarified that he was not discouraging the use of the vaccine but was providing people with as much fair information as he could about their risks.

    "This is a fundamental right having to do with clinical research ethics," he said. "And so, my concern is that I know that there are risks. But we don't have access to the data, and the data haven't been captured rigorously enough so that we can accurately assess those risks — and therefore … we don't really have the information that we need to make a reasonable decision."

    "That's one of my other objections, is that we toss about these words, risk-benefit analysis, casually as if it's a very deep science. It's not. Normally, at this stage, the CDC [Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices] would have performed those risk-benefit analyses. They would be data-based and science-based. They're not right now," Malone said.

    Malone also said he has "a bias that the benefits probably don't outweigh the risks" for younger people who are being encouraged or required to take the vaccine.

    "I can say that the risk-benefit ratio for those 18 and below doesn't justify vaccines, and there's a pretty good chance that it doesn't justify vaccination in these very young adults," he added.

    Malone discovered in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection when he was at the Salk Institute in 1988, and he subsequently invented mRNA vaccines, which are being used over 20 years later to combat the spread of the coronavirus.

    YouTube told the Washington Examiner of the video that while it is "open [to] discussions of potential treatments and clinical trials related to COVID-19 on YouTube, based on guidance from the CDC, FDA and other local health authorities, we don’t currently allow content that recommends Ivermectin as an effective treatment or prevention method for the virus."

    "As such, we removed content from Bret Weinstein's channels that violated this policy. We craft our policies to prevent the risk of egregious real-world harm, and update them as official guidance evolves. We do allow exceptions to our policy about Ivermectin, including content that also gives viewers the full context of the FDA’s current position."
    I bolded/underlined the part about the government not being transparent about the risks. I agree with this.

    There are some anti vaxers who will never be convinced. Stop thinking about them.

    There are some "wait and see" people who can be convinced. They will be convinced imo by being completely transparent about risks and options.
    Last edited by Hadez; 08-01-2021, 08:17 AM.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    This guy does a good job explaining things imo. Youtube suggested his videos to me because I am crazy deep into COVID19 info.

    CanDB you may want to check out his other videos. He does a real good job comparing countries on a per population level. Canada seems to be doing as good as Australia and New Zealand.

    Thx for this H!

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    How does one find out if it's the "delta" or just the regular covid19?? Simple covid test won't be able to distinguish the 2.....soooo....Is the "delta" real or a scare tactic?? I think it's a fair question
    The real scare tactic would be listening to one doctor/scientist talk about how many times Covid19 has evolved and then listening to an evolutionary biologist talk about how dangerous it is to allow Covid19 to hang around and keep evolving.

    One thing people are starting to be more clear about now...being vaccinated does not stop someone from getting Covid19 or stop them from transmitting to to another person. So being vaccinated is not stopping Covid19 from evolving.

    I am new to all this stuff but have we ever seen a disease evolve like this in history? It seems pretty clear to me this was man made in a lab.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Notice how the media and public health officials have moved to “cases” because deaths are so low?

    Remember when Sweden was demonized for their approach to Covid. Their 7 day average deaths is 1 with zero deaths July 30. Sweden has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the developed world at ~39%. Sweden also has the least restrictions with masks and they kept schools open.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

    You’re right - they sample from nearly every region/country and sequence to assess mutations. They have a tracking project in Los Alamos with open source data.

    However, knowing a variant exists doesn’t mean every infected individual has that variant - you have to test at the individual level. Otherwise it’s all speculation. Which brings me back to the question - where do people get tested for Delta?




    I do not think people get tested for Delta was my point. Someone somewhere is testing (random?) positive COVID19 samples. I have seen multiple people talk about how they use the sample data to extrapolate into larger region data but it is not an exact science. I am sure we could spend 2-3 pages talking about how accurate it is but I am not sure if that would be constructive....it is sample data. It is the best path people determined to get an idea of what is going on in a region without spending the money and time of testing every individual sample.

    Maybe the super wealthy have access to get their specific positive test analyzed but I am not sure if anyone has access to that.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    I only know about this on a very high level ... not much detail.

    From my understanding samples of COVID19 positive tests are studied further to identify mutations. There are more mutations than the news talks about but most of the mutations are not material to the public.
    You’re right - they sample from nearly every region/country and sequence to assess mutations. They have a tracking project in Los Alamos with open source data.

    However, knowing a variant exists doesn’t mean every infected individual has that variant - you have to test at the individual level. Otherwise it’s all speculation. Which brings me back to the question - where do people get tested for Delta?





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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    With the fear that the Delta variant has created, I don't think it is unreasonable for citizens to ask for reporting of specifics like which form of Covid is spreading, infecting, killing, etc. Especially if lives are being dictated to in terms of leadership telling people what they can and can't do, asking for transparency is a reasonable request I think only the unreasonable would push back on. I wouldn't expect such a thing to occur though, especially when it is no secret that governments everywhere around the world are using the fear surrounding the Delta strain to 100% ramp up their vaccination efforts, which I think is understandable as well.
    This is in the video I put up earlier but I am putting the graph here for people who do not want to go through the video.

    I agree with you about the fear of the Delta strain and being told what we can do and can not do and how there needs to be numbers and fact giving to us with these orders of what to do. This graph shows Cov2 and Delta variant in how dangerous they are and how transmissible the are in relation to other diseases.

    It is more clear in the power point here. Not sure how to put that into my post

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...-2744e4e25f2e/

    Last edited by Hadez; 07-31-2021, 06:05 PM.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

    The flip flop in the US to mask indoors even when vaccinated is a deterrent to vaccination. People were told things would return to normal by getting the jab. Those who vaccinated are now saying, “I was lied to, and I won’t fall for the lie again.” Those who were sitting on the fence about getting the jab are likely saying saying, “No matter what I do they won’t let things return to normal.”

    Lack of transparency with clinical trial data, adverse events and bullying those who are hesitant only pushes people to resist more.
    IMO There are two things going on with the USA in terms of Establishment Health System (NIH, CDC, FDA ect...)

    1. The flip flopping (do not wear a mask, wear a mask) (moving the herd immunity numbers to levels the public can handle). This itself is an interesting discussion. Yes I do understand how it causes trust issues.

    2. Bureaucratic Red Tape causing delays.

    The changing to wearing mask when vaccinated is an example of new data coming out and the CDC being slow to adapt imo. Bureaucratic Red Tape causing delays.

    I personally do not think the CDC and NIH are very good as making quick decisions that is required under a Pandemic.
    Last edited by Hadez; 07-31-2021, 06:11 PM.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Ok help me out here guys. I got vaccinated a few a months ago and now I am being told I have to wear a mask indoors?
    Please explain this!
    This guy does a good job explaining things imo. Youtube suggested his videos to me because I am crazy deep into COVID19 info.

    CanDB you may want to check out his other videos. He does a real good job comparing countries on a per population level. Canada seems to be doing as good as Australia and New Zealand.


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